That is kind of funny though. That is like something you would expect one of his mates to rib him with.

​@@badnick6659Especially when he uses his negative harmonies 😂

Did Geordie Greep ghostwrite this

Black hole swag

Miles knew

Miles WHO?

@@christiantaylor1495miles morales

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your ear must be so good to come to that very weird conclusion

@@GabiGluck ok let’s put it this way. Singers try to sing like Ray Charles, Karen Carpenter , Lady Gaga and so on, (1000s of good singers).. no one tries to sing like Jacob Collier

That's really rude...

You are definitely deaf, because Jacob sings PERFECT in terms of intonation, yes, you may not like his timbre, but to deny that he is a good singer is at the very least stupid, and at the most you need to have your hearing checked

Extremely underrated comment

Oh damn that's actually a very good description of Jacob...

But did you know he knows all the chords and scales ?

@@voicessamples7396 Oh no, I take everything back!

Wow it is AI music

Same. It’s not even the fact that whether the listener is a musician or not. I guess they need to pull back on experimentation. A fun fact is that Paul McCartney struggled with this early post Beatles. Harrison being the “ Feel” in the Beatles had the most successful post beatle album. Despite him being very articulate in jazz music. He knew when to pull back. McCartney later did also. Mozart being the prodigy and genius he was knew when to pull back. Of course also knew when to impress musicians.

At least CP has a decent voice.

When he dials it back his simple stuff is actually quite enjoyable. His tasteful vocal harmonies definitely give me goosebumps at moments. It's when it gets overly complex that it becomes boring for me.

Incredible college professor 🤣 When he does, I’ll remember this comment and, “hi hi hi hi”

JC's music is considered only by those who listen to primitive pop music with three chords, and are unable to perceive something more complex, extraordinary and interesting

Yea true even the Beatles didn’t know much about any theory

Music academics must seethe when metal bands make songs more technically and physically demanding then anything they could ever dream to play. Would love to see these glorified band kids make anything as complex as Ulcerate, Deathspell Omega, TOOL ext ext.

You are literally describing the anti-Collier fans in this comment section 😂😂😂

Music history grad! LOL! Ironic that you'd talk about self-important hoity toity over-infated ego. Wait - you're upset that he went to college?

@@bryanleggo3489 Yeah I am upset he went to college and didn’t learn not all good music comes from the classroom. It comes from the heart. From culture. From human spirit. Not a piece of paper and a math equation

I've never been afraid to voice how bad I think Jacob is. Like yea he has a talent for harmonization and going in between the usual note scales, and he clearly practiced a LOT of instruments to a high degree, but that's it. And that talent is completely wasted in his music. His singing is terrible, his original music is tame and without emotion/texture, he refuses to understand the concept of "less is more", and he completely butchers songs he does covers of.

it's is very true

Nah he right tho

embrace the corniness

Probably the funniest comment I’ve read in a long while. Cheers.

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that “death metal” album is miles better than anything Jacob Collier has made in my opinion. My vid is not objective.

@@Loganisnotaloserr yeahh his stuff clearly isnt your taste in music but calling it terrible and saying he doesnt know how to write music is just ridiculous tbh

Best comment ever. Totally agree

Very immature reaction, but hey, we have all been there. Don't waste your time or talent on being negative. Learn from others and be encouraging. I like that he shares and is very generous with his knowledge. Take what you can from him and use it the way you want to hear it instead.

Clearly you don’t know shit about Death Metal.

Agreed. Volume normalization across all clips should become a requirement for ALL KZfaq uploads, imo.

It's hilarious though, I laughed out loud

It's supposed to give you a heart attack, that's how he eliminates weak viewers like YOU (joke)

@@LuCreates_stuff LOL

Michael macdonald has tbe voice of an angle. I got to try, peng track, I'm also gay

I know that putting people with autism in any kind of "bad light" is a no no these days but: Jacob's singing sounds like he has down syndrome or something, yet thinks he can sing like Freddy Mercury.

You ARE that scene - especially if you think being educated and articulate means you don't have heart or other skills.

I’m sorry that I offended you

Why click on a review if ur just gonna moan about it? The albums crap mate. Accept it.

Following the logic, why listen to an album if ur just gonna moan about it? How on earth do I know how the review is going to be until I have clicked on it and watched it? If someone is willing to say on KZfaq that they don't like something that I actually like, then I am entitled to respond. I have listened to many an album I do not like, the difference being I don't go on KZfaq and say that it is "The Worst Album of 2024" created by "The Worst Most Talented Musician". "The albums (sic) crap mate. Accept it.". No - we all have our opinions and I don't like to see a review that seems gratuitously negative. To quote from another poster: "my man!!... everybody has their own opinion and it's totally cool to not like something! however, it's not a great move to publicly disrespect somebody's work. criticism is always acceptable, and I'd say if you want to attract viewers who share your particular bias, you could stand to refine your approach a little bit. I hope you have lots of growth and success in your channel, but maybe consider expressing your opinion more maturely and respectfully.

Uau, ❤

​@@JezChristopher I completely disagree with the notion that the review was 'gratuitously negative'. If someone produces a mediocre product, it's a critics literal job to inform them. If you want my thoughts, then I'd say that Jacob Collier is probably the most frustrating musician I've even known. How does someone with so much objective talent make such bland, boring, corporate-friendly advert music? I don't understand it. Jacob comes across as extremely arrogant and self-indulgent, somebody who cares more about proving his greatness than actually producing anything great. His songs completely lack soul and sound like they were written by an AI. He seems to believe that the more complicated and technically impressive a song is, the better it is. The songs on this album which discuss love/relationships read as if they were written by someone who has never been in love before; someone whose idea of love comes exclusively from TV. Point is, I understand and accept that Jacob Collier is, objectively and factually, a musical genius likely on the same level as Mozart. I've also never heard a single song by him which I enjoyed.

Like undeniable talent

@@AlexiLaihoFan also just because you listen to a variety of music doesn’t make your opinion qualified

And I need you to learn that this kid's opinion won't hurt you, and that he shouldn't regret posting it.

@@omnipop4936 oops! Don’t care! This is the internet!

@jansensharp1246 I’m guessing ur a millennial by the use of exclamation marks

The kid can have an opinion. If you have a sense of humour and are a Jacob fan, don't tell me you don't get it. I don't agree with him myself but.. Funny. Very funny. Good luck on your musical journey youngblood!

he was doing operatic singing (kinda sounds like you're yawning) throughout the whole album and it sounded like shit. he may be talented enough to do that kind of thing but he doesn't understand that just because something is hard and impressive to pull off doesn't mean it sounds good. sure appreciate it all you want but you cant pretend its fun or enjoyable to listen to.

@@AbsoluteUnit333 Well, he has had classic singing lessons. In operatic singing tone is more important than articulation. Collier doesn't go that far and is perfectly intelligible. Jacob Collier is a bit like black coffee in a world of sugary drinks. The first sip isn't particularly pleasant, but it does something enjoyable to your heart. Collier tugs at my heart strings like very, very few artists can. Now, I'm not enough of a musician to grasp how he's breaking the rules, but when I notice something weird, Jacob probably has mentioned this in one of his song-rundowns. This willingness to teach and explain, takes away so much pretentiousness.

@@Bebop_2962 how does his music tug at your heart strings? No offence but his music has absolutely no personality or soul in it. The last thing his music could do to me is tug at my heart. Random complex beat and instrument changes don't do anything for me emotionally regardless of how talented you have to be to pull it off. Like genuinely idk what experiences someone might have that they could relate to in Jacob's music. A song I cry to for example is father time by Kendrick Lamar because of the themes he touches on. Auntie diaries also does it for a lot of people because they can relate to what he says and emotionally connect to him through it. I just can't say there's a single Jacob song that touches on relatable and emotionally provoking subjects. Please give one if there is but idk if someone with his upbringing is even capable of doing it. Charlie puth sure as hell couldn't do it either.

Collier's music is like modern art.. It is songs for pompous aholes to show other pompus aholes how much cool(tm) they are...when neither of them have any idea what the hell is going on!

No I just genuinely don’t like it

Something can absolutely be too much and boring at the same time. It's called turning into white noise. When everything's maxed out, when there's no peaks and valleys, anything turns into homogenous mush. I've only recently been acquainted with Collier's recent output, and I absolutely get such a feeling from the more over the top songs.

Imo I feel like this is said a lot about his music and it’s like collectively people are gaslighting themselves into liking his music. It’s so funny

​@@Ofthevalleyofthewindi never gaslighted myself. i can't remember, i was just new to music theory and his video came up on KZfaq. what started as fascination turned into genuine love and appreciation. i've come to love the littlest bits of musical elements i find daily in his music even after years of listening. everyday i wish i can still find hidden treasures in his music and i know that if i listen harder enough, i will. cos there's so much going on that it will take some time to get it all in. Djesse Vol. 4 isn't my best album of his but i can never downplay his effort. he's on his journey and i'm grateful to be alive to witness it.

the truth AIN'T rage bate

@@crash8103 it's not truth

@@christiantaylor1495 It is. Or rather it's an opinion on his music. Just because you get angry about people having this opinion doesn't mean it's simply rage bait.

@@Sanquinity So you agreed with me that it isn't truth, then. Nice verbose comment that went nowhere. I'm not angry. My parent got cancer and it didn't even bother me, so this isn't going to bother me. Read some Epictetus and Seneca.

@@christiantaylor1495 Opinion is still them telling the truth in this case. Just a different truth than yours. (personal truth does not apply to all things though.) And sure sure mister "I am very smart and sophisticated", you do you.

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@@Loganisnotaloserr I loved this album so much I didn't even realize these opinions were even possible.

@SSJBartSimp it’s all good I feel that way on Knocked Looses new record

If his music is unrelatable, why does have hundreds of millions of streams of his songs (quite possibly more than a billion). If his music is 'overproduced' and 'gimmicky' why do basically all the worlds best and most influential musicians (of all genres) love it? Give yer head a wobble

​@@OwenEastwoodMusicwho told you that basically all the musicians love him??? 😭😭

@@honotolu I initially wrote my dissertation on Jacob (before last minute switching) so I had to do a lot of research on how he is perceived by other top level musicians. In the end I gave up looking for anything even remotely negative or neutral because of the sheer number of world class musicians showering him and his music with adoration and praise. Quincy called him 'beyond category ' and 'one of his favourite young artists on the planet'. Pat Metheny said Jacob was the 'first significant 21st century musician'. Similar quotes exist from Herbie, Hans Zimmer, John Mayer, Steve Vai, Jamie Cullum, Eric Whitaker, Ben Folds, Stormzy, Chris Martin, Jason Rebello, Tori Kelly and hundreds of others. It's hard to overstate how loved he is by the worlds best musicians.

He didn't say he wasn't good. In fact he said the opposite multiple times. He just said the album sucked.

That sunshine song melody on the verse is complete garbage. No actual professional topliner would let that pass when he mechanically runs down the major scale to the root. Lmfao. Cringe central dtation

Because fans are incredibly pretentious with the whole “music theory” angle. It’s the pretentiousness of higher music academia, where anyone outside of it and their knowledge and tastes are looked down on. It’s this weird idea that music theory savantness makes good music. Being a savant in an art form does not necessarily make one engaging. Nirvana, the Beatles, NWA, The Clash, none of them knew theory, and all of them changed music history and influenced many in the art form.

I don't think that last line is fair. I do think his music is very enamoured with how clever it is, that's a lot of it sounds incoherent and showy. Sounds funny, but Collier's music reminds me of AI music. Great technical musician though.

@@wizardaka Fun fact he actually is experimenting with AI generated sounds. Also if you already listen to Chick Corea and jazz it would probably sound more natural. And I do think it's fair to say people hate just to hate. He's highly adored and people who aren't into his style hate that.

This is a review never said that this is fact 💀💀💀

No I’m done listening to more Jacob Collier it’s rotted my brain

@@Loganisnotaloserr he’ gonna beat your ass

Yebba carried that song hard honestly

That is a song by Simon and Garfunkel, obviously he can do good when someone else made the song, even then he fucks up the whole thing and made it unbearable, Garfunkel does way better job by himself...

I hate the term “you don’t have to listen to it” I didn’t know I was gonna not like it. Also u should probably go to a doctor if ur gonna throw up also go to a doctor to fix ur music taste cuz Jacobs latest album sucks big time

@@Loganisnotaloserr When people say "you don't have to listen to it' they mean "you don't have to continue listening to it". If you don't like it then just move on. I personally don't like Led Zeppelin's music (controversial, I know), but I'm not gonna waste my time making a video whining about why I dislike it. Because no one cares.

@zugrath16 u should make a video abt ur dislike of Zeppelin ill watch it.

@@Loganisnotaloserr I can summarize it really quick - when I listen Led Zeppelin my mind associates it with things that I don't like, which in turn creates negative emotions inside of me. These negative emotions hold me back from appreciating the musical ideas in their songs. I can appreciate how skilled they are but my own personal associations with their music makes me dislike it. One day in will probably experience some things in life which makes me look at their music from a different perspective. Then I might appreciate their musical ideas, who knows. But until then, I don't. Everyone has connections to music like this, which makes my opinion not very relevant. The end.

@andrut04 you also don't have to watch the video bro.... 😂

I agree he’s a chill dude

@@Loganisnotaloserr Hey Logan, what are you listening too at the moment?

I listened to the album b4 recording the video and then during the video. I have also revisited the album. I can say with certainty that it’s not a good album in my opinion. I’m not jealous too the only album I’m jealous by is the new knocked loose record cuz damn

It's not a good album, you right. But you dont put enough time to listen to know it. And yeah the grindcore moment is super stupid....

U clearly didn’t watch the video because i listen to all kinds of music. Also tf is a pop punk perspective? Jacobs music is not hard to understand it’s just not great in my opinion don’t act all superior 💀💀💀

I listen to progressive music all the time and Jacobs is really bad prog music imo

@@LoganisnotaloserrL

I really enjoy his music because I want to listen to something that sounds immature. Something that's just plain fun or experimentive. To say that this isn't proper music is immature.

@@TheodorNickelsen It is indeed proper music. Just bad music... I can agree however that if you want to listen to experimental stuff whether it's good or bad, Jacob is a good choice.

​​@@Sanquinity Hot take: there is no such thing as bad music. There will ALWAYS be an audience for every style of music. Take me as an example. I really like immature music.

@@TheodorNickelsen I don't even think his music is "immature". Just bad, or at best mediocre and tame/simple. Baby shark is immature music.

People have been saying that he will mature and start making better music for years. He's turning 30 in a couple of months. I think we might have to stop holding our breath and accept that he isn't actually a Mozart level genius when it comes to composing impactful music

Cuz his music is surface level shit idk what to say

This album is shitty art

No

@@Loganisnotaloserrhe’s more like an illustrator than an artist. Ya feel me?

You say that nobody can point to a single song that he's made and say that it's left a profound impact, but that's a very clear bias imo, at least based on his fans comments. It's fair to state your own opinion, but it's presumptuous to speak on behalf of everyone else. Between Jacob Collier, and Louis Cole, I personally lean more towards the latters style of Jazz Fusion, in stuff like his latest Knower album, because it's just a bit more restrained, in a rather subtle way. Though maybe it's also just a taste thing. Using food as an analogy in the way you use spices, he does use a very, very rich palette in his dense song structure. Sort of like the cookie dough I once tasted in Liverpool; really sweet, to the point where it can be a bit too much for the tastebuds. Or another way of looking at it is Death Metal; I wouldn't buy a DM album expecting to really resonate much with it, because the musical components it's leaning into doesn't do much for me, in the same way not everyone likes having a thousand huge manic chord progressions stuffed into one track. But it clearly has its audience. Honestly it seems like rather a curse to be considered things like the next mozart, or an unrivaled genius, at least partially because it makes people thrice as cynical towards your efforts. Not pointing at yourself when I say that, but it's definitely something I've observed in places. I find it hard to lose any respect for someone who's goals and efforts are focused on musical exploration, regardless of whether it vibes with me or not. (I'm writing this at 4am so I hope this comment doesn't come out as a chimpanzee flailing around on my keyboard lol. I'm quite tired, but I think I've managed to word things how I meant to)

​@@ominouspigeonmaster1571You happened to pick my most hyperbolic line to rebuke but that's okay. What I was implying was that he has not had one proper hit, which are often more in the public awareness. (Daniel Caesar has, though.) He's featured on some, but no, he has not yet succeeded as a solo songwriter in the way he has succeeded as a musician. He can pursue whatever he wants, but the feeling from this comment section (not you, just in general) that any criticism of him is automatically wrong just because he knows a lot about music theory is beyond weird to me. I will lose respect for him if he doesn't take songwriting seriously because he is undoubtedly an unproven talent in that regard, and the Djesse project has more than worn its welcome. He needs to pivot if he wants a long career, I guarantee Herbie and Quincy would tell him so. Take one of his favorite artists: how many Stevie Wonder hits do we all know? Too many. Now, of course, the streaming era is a hell-world of its own making, the old music industry is completely dead and the youth now barely remember how things used to be. I won't get into that much (genres used to be diverse and only sometimes cross-pollenate, not *devour* each other to death) but the key is that there's no simple way to assess his success, as "streams" aren't enough and he's not really on the radio, nor is record sales a reliable metric anymore. So all I have to go by is whether or not most people know any Jacob Collier songs and the answer is a resounding no-industry limbo notwithstanding. If he's going to continue in pop, he needs to write some pop. There is absolutely a ton of space for maximalism *within* minimalism too; he doesn't need to abandon all the fluff he does, he just needs to reign it in and make it work on a smaller scale or in different areas. There are tons of unique talents who've done this: Bobby Mcferrin, Al Jarreau, Steely Dan, Michael McDonald, etc. Jacob is currently residing in the ultimate version of "jack of all trades, master of none" territory, and he admits as much. I really do think he will focus on songwriting next. If I had to call my annoyance anything, I'd call it "look-what-I-can-do fatigue." While I might enjoy all the disparate elements he uses on their own, I don't often enjoy them together, and I don't think it's just a taste thing. (I could be much more harsh about it but it's an anger that comes from wanting the guy to have a career, not a gimmick.) I think the public would agree were there a way to assess that. Louis Cole is the opposite. Not only do we get all his incredible musicianship and composition, but we get to hear: just Louis-just him and his honest thoughts in the form of song. He is a great songwriter and can very easily communicate complex emotions through lyrics, though he also humors himself with funny detours. LC is screwed by the industry because I am 100% certain that, with the 80s or 90s industry behind him, he'd have been everywhere. If Collier had the same support, I believe he'd be seen as more of a jazz or prog guy and, while very clever and interesting, not fit for heavy rotation. See: Frank Zappa I know Jacob can write songs. I don't know if he can get in touch with his darker side in order to write well. I know he can keep it simple, I don't know if he can admit that he should. If he needs to relax after Djesse he'll probably veer into instrumental jazz or otherwise territory, which is fine but still avoiding the one thing that will sustain him the most. He needs songs that anyone can remember and anyone can sing. The wall of vocal harmonies thing is not going to last forever. We need to hear: just Jacob. I think that's reasonable. Sorry for writing too much here-I shouldn't have, really. But I'll just leave it with an anecdote from after seeing Jacob's show in NYC in 2018 or 2019. I met up with some girls I met there and we all went to eat and discuss it. One was a Black girl from MIT. I was candid with my opinions in the same way and they all readily agreed. The flimsy drums, the over-mixing of styles, etc. They were the ones to first call it cheesy or corny, not me. Mind you, we had just watched and enjoyed his show! But they said the album versions were just trying to be everything all at once and got in their own way. They all wanted to hear something simple and powerful instead. That could be a live album, a stripped down album, or anything else. We all agreed he was intentionally creating the epitome of overproduction. The fact remains that when his fans want to show people his music, unless they understand music theory, the response is often negative. Collier kinda peacocks his music just because he can, but we don't live in that feathery world. I'm telling you, he's got to pivot towards the simple.

Ur acting like you have to be a special kind of person to enjoy Jacobs music. It’s literally pop music with more wacky instrumentation, a key change, maybe a modulation, and or a time signature change. It’s over produced Prog pop. It’s not good imo.

@@Loganisnotaloserr you haven't been on this earth long enough to know a damn thing. imagine listening to a teenager criticize someone's artistic expression when their worldview has consisted of tiktok and reels and gen z garbage their entire existence. you're just a dumb kid it's okay, we've all been there - we just all didn't air our underdeveloped opinions immemoriam on the internet to be laughed at and mocked. if you make a channel that's full of hot takes from the perspective of a developmental child, expect childish comments.

The corniest shit I’ve ever seen in a comments section. No wonder you’re a fan.