Wow, hit the goal of 1000 likes already, you guys are awesome! I will be making a part two/follow up video to cover some of the other Pokémon who fit into this category. I have some other ideas in the works so it might take a little before I get it out. Thanks again for the support buds

Darmanitan and Lokixx are proof that Abilities, Stat distribution and moves will always be >>> than BSTs , and Particularly stat distribution especially when you consider that Darmanitan and base Glalie have the exact same BST

gogoat avoiding slander by 10 bst, i can sleep well

Amazing idea to skip the obvious 2. I've heard about those too much already. Got my like just for that.

3:56 Reported for terrorism

Walking landorous was very cursed to see in the first few seconds of the video

Archeops has 140 Atk and 110 Speed, and it's stuck with an ability that does nothing but make it completely useless once its HP drops below 50%. Iron Moth has 140 Sp. Atk and 110 Speed, and it gets an ability that buffs its highest stat by 30% (50% if Speed) if one of two different conditions. #JusticeforArcheops

Wo-Chien and Hoopa-U both have the problem of being slow mons that die to one U-turn. They're mostly just bad compared to comparable mons though, rather than being literally ZU. Could make a category just for base 670-680s that fail to be uber

The best change for archeops I ever saw was on reddit of Archeops keeping the same effect that the ability has now but also giving it +2 Speed and a 30-50 BP pivot move that heals its hp a bit. It doesn't break it's gimmick either since it's implied to be a coward

An honorable mention would be mega garchomp. Bro gets outclassed by regular garchomp😂😂

My proposed fixes for Slow Start and Truant are as follows: Slow Start - It starts the same, but your stats increase every turn until they are back to normal by 1/5th of the loss...rather than getting them all at once; and Truant - If this pokemon has woken up from sleep, the ability is ignored until it switches out.

Goodra not being part Water is so mindnumbing I'm convinced the programmera forgot to program it and once XY shipped they couldn't do anything about it.

Scream Tail is in PU, and Brute Bonnet is in NU like Iron Thorns.

If Meloetta would get Aura-Sphere in one of the next games it would at least be in NU i think. Same thing could be applied to Hoopa.

3:55 My last second decision to avoid watching this video with my 8 yo cousin may have saved my life

I wish they changed Slow Start to half its attack and special attack. Hell, rename it to "Restraint" like the titan is holding back to give its opponent a chance before the 5 turns are up

Vore jumpscare at 3:55. Stay safe out there guys.

Walking lando goes hard af

Archeops has a special place in my heart for its Meteor Beam + Power Herb set. Reminds me of special attacking Regigigas to get around Slow Start, but too bad Defeatist halves Atk and SpA. GameFreak was really trying to kill this mon😂

I think the sudden shift to having progressively more and more OP legendaries and more min-maxed Pokemon after being somewhat balanced in Gen 4 was _because_ of the negative reception Regigigas got. The reason they gave most legendaries like Dialga, Palkia and Giratina the Pressure ability is because it's almost a non-Ability in their hands - giving them anything else would make them too overbearing. Just look at Kyogre and Groudon - Kyogre's automatic rain-setting allows it to remain viable in Ubers for over two decades, and Groudon's 21 year reign as the king of sun was only ended by Koraidon. But back on topic, it seems like people didn't want to use what Gamefreak viewed as "balanced" at the time. They _wanted_ to have Pokemon with more and more power. They WANTED to have 'Mons with 150+ base attacking stats and 130+ Speed getting buffs to their attacks anyway because OMG ITS SO POWERFUL AND SO COOL! Why? Because the primary demographic for Pokemon is ultimately kids. It's fine that they play for fun, but let's be honest - most kids, even up to the age of 12, aren't going to be able to understand the necessity of balance in competitive Pokemon like those in Smogon claim to. At its heart, multiplayer in Pokemon is a game where kids go head to head with other kids on the playground to see who's the very best, even if it means sending veritable gods at each other. For them, the default is Anything Goes, and Gamefreak probably doesn't want it any other way. Oh, and I wanted to add that Regigigas isn't just bad because of Slow Start, it's because until Gen 8, it didn't have any way to work around that Ability - for one thing, it was one of a small handful of Pokemon that could NOT learn Protect until then nor did it have any recovery outside of Rest. Granted, it does have access to Body Press to work around its halved Attack and Knock Off to be somewhat useful outside of doing damage, but that's it.

Uxie and Mespirit are two that come to mind. They just don't really have any kind of niche. Azelf on the other hand gets everything they need to succeed. I've noticed that in all of the legendary sets one gets used more than the others, usually the one with offensive stats. Along those same lines, look at Wo Chen, stuck in PU because he's the designated 'defensive one' in the legendary set.

It might just be my opinion, but I feel like as long as you're properly tiered in any format, you're successful as a Pokemon, since it's way better for the game to have different metagames in order to not have an inflated meta. I don't consider Goodra a bad mon since it's a menace in PU.

Great channel man! After this one, i been watching hr previous videos. Gives me False Swipe Gaming vibes. Can't get enough history of competiive mons.

0:08 wtf is that Great Tusk XD

Nidoking is a great example of why it doesn’t need a High Base Stats because it just uses its Base 85 Special Attack instead of its Base 102 Attack which it never uses it in competitive. It’s because most or even every Nidoking no sets are Special Sheer Force Life Orb attacker. So technically it has a Base Stat total of 403 (took its 102 Attack stats).

Adaptability would be way more suited for Meloetta than Serene grace. It would be OP (fair for a PU mythical pokemon 💀) and suits it's concept of changing type and stats

Great vid bud

regigigas more like regigigass amirite

I've had a couple of ideas for how Meloetta's Pirouette Forme could used more, because I would love for it to be usable outside of 1 move. One idea I had was giving it a held item (that I call "Red Shoes"), which boosts the power of physical attacks used by Meloetta by 30%, while also changing its form. The other is having Relic Song change into a new move every time it changes form (like Relic Dance or something), which would be the same as Relic Song in terms of power and accuracy, but it's a physical move with a chance of confusion.

Happy to have found your channel and subscribed! Hope you keep having success my dude! 😄

Your channel randomly popped up and glad I clicked on it. Funny laid back informative vid. and always wondered why some Pokemon just don’t work

Idk how youre such a small channel, your editing and content is awesome

thanks for the video

Nice vedieo as always your cotnet deserve 1 millon eith those editing

Based video. Love the channel

Would be interesting to see your take on which Pokemon have the balance of massive BST held in check by a limiting ability but are still competitively viable. That's a design space that TPC are always going to explore and I'm interested to know how many different ways there are to do it right.

I thought of Meloetta a lot and how to improve it, since it's my favorite Pokémon. I thought of a signature Ability called Dance Mode. If Meloetta has a dance move in it's move set it will start the battle in its Pirouette Form. And since Meloetta learns Swords Dance this is no big hindrance.

Imagine if Meloetta's Relic Song had a power boost to 90 base attack and the Tera Blast effect where if used which ever attacking stat was higher. That way you'd get good damage regardless of form and have the versatility of both physical and special.

Lmaooo the iron thorns holding a fraud card got me lol

Abilities and moves will help make or break you. You can have a great stat total but if you have nothing besides that, you’re SOL.

I was not prepared to see Landorus swagger

Florges can have some funny actual usage of symbiosis with a Paradox mon as a partner. Give it Life Orb, and pass the orb when booster energy procs. I've used an expanding force team where I lead Iron Crown & Florges, then switch Florges out to Indeedee for big damage. Then Florges can come in later for helping hand & stuff.

that lando-t walk caught me offguard

Damn the power creep got insane.

Regular Shaymin is definitely also in this category. Celebi possibly as well...

The problem with Goodra is that its stats are in the wrong place. 100 attack is just wasted since his special moves are better and 80 speed is actually a really terrible speed tier because he gets outsped by most other Pokemon, but is also too fast for trick room. He would be great if some of his attack and speed were moved somewhere else.

Zamazenta gotta be one of the Best examples of great stats but just kinda bad

Well iiron thorns a lhas better typing than rock dark, what helps with ttar is the buff in spdef with sand helps with taking less damage from suoer effective damage, but on the physical side your wide open.

y was the great tusk at 0:08 blue?

Slaking/Regigigas are VERY reliant on any mon who can yeet their trashy abilities to the void like Grafaiai, decent Skill Swappers, or either variant of Weezing with Neutralizing Gas, which is why to me, it's a half-truth since they DO take some effort to become threats in Doubles, but it's definitely a case of high risk, high reward.

As my favorite pseudo-legendary, Goodra's situation is so criminal to me. All it really needs is maybe a little more speed and a recovery move and it's set. Won't stop me from using it just because it isn't 'meta' though.

Ok but where were you when you found those Goodra images...

arceus sword dance extreme speed is crazy good

Almost every Mega kinda fits this The most egregious example is Mega Ampharos, one of the higher BST Megas at 610 It is just so slow and its typing isn't the best so it's just not worth playing around that (say, for example, with trick room) It might seem like it hits hard, but that leads into its second issue: It doesn't have the best STAB options Thunder is strong but innaccurate Thunderbolt is ok but 90 base power is just not quite there And Dragon Pulse is its only option for Dragon stab since it doesn't learn Draco Meteor Mega Ampharos is so slow and not quite as bulky, so if it does hit you would want it to be a very powerful hit, but because of its low base power moves, it just doesn't

One day you will get to OU goodra, onr day

Why was the great tusk at the start blue?

blue great tusk at the very star of the video?? what was that about who was that

If Slow Start lasted only 3 turns instead of 5, even that small change would be a significant buff for Regigigas.

They should’ve given Glalie a move to boosts its attack or special attack

Just allow the 525 BST mons being the bare minimum, this would allow: Flareon - 525 Meganium - 525 Typhlosion - 534 Sceptile - 530 Electivire - 540 Magmortar - 540 Dusknoir - 525 Delphox - 534 Mega Audino - 543 Decidueye - 530 Inteleon - 530 Otherwise, there’s always Articuno, Regirock, Regice, Uxie, Mespirit, Reshiram, Kyurem-B (for the longest time it had no Ice STAB), Silvally, Guzzlord, Zamazenta, Brute Bonnet, Scream Tail, and Wo-Chien

Why doesn't the ARIA POKÉMON bases on MUSIC not learn SPARKLING ARIA?

Still mad about how dirty they did my favorite Pokémon hoopa

Sceptile. While getting banned from ZU it's ZUBL not PU. I really want thos mon rework but we know it's not possible

The takeaway I'm seeing is that it is often bad to specialize in Sp.Def

Six seconds in and a q: What's the medians of gens 8 and 9?

Swap Hoopa's Atk and Speed and give it an ability that grants it immunity to priority.

I used a meloetta in Indigo disk. It was so ass. Would be much better if it changed form with an item like Shaymin does

I personally enjoy the term frauds

Goodra should have had the water typing

Hey MattBud, a friend of mine was wondering if you were planning on doing a Top mate-able Pokémon list. I thought it would be an interesting video after my friend mentioned something about it. Great Vid Cheers!

I'm surprised you didn't bring up mew aka infinite moves but no moves. Ever since gen 5 it hasn't been that good. but every gen it gets worse since it only learns tms not only that but they also started to delete tms gen 8 onward.

On the subject of Megas, Mega Garchomp was actually WORSE than regular Garchomp simply because trading raw power for speed makes it a sitting duck for a random Draco Meteor or Ice Beam and its Sand Force ability is less flexible than Rough Skin.

If gamefreak would have given mega glalie 120 speed. It could nuke entire community

Blue great tusk? 0:07

Meloetta will Def rise to nu once both reun and slowbro rise to RU.. Mon absolutely ruled nu 3 months ago

I would just like to say I am iron thorns strongest soilder in vgc. Is he bad, yes, but do I love him, also yes

I think Goodra just needed to not be pure dragon type . For all that pain to evolve in rain why isn’t it also part water type ?

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Breaking my heart dropping Meloetta first, she’s been my favorite Pokémon for over 10 years!

Goodra should have been Poison/Dragon and have either Regenerator, Serene Grace or Adaptability

If all Pokemon had the same stats all around which would be the best?

Honestly I disagree with the Meloetta-P rating. It'd be an incredible pokemon had it not been locked to a move. 128 Spe outspeeds a myriad of OU pokemon, and 128 Atk is nothing to scoff on. It might not make the most out of Serene Grace, but it has a wide enough movepool to essentially negate it. It's like a worse Mega Lopunny, and Mega Lopunny is insane.

3:56 I should have listened

3:56 Why did you do this

How high would Goodra rise if it had recover?

I think guzzlord is probably the worst mon above 550 missing from this list

Florges outclassed bulky sylveon in gen 6 UU... Sylv is amazing in gen 6 uu but because of how good offensively it was as it was gen 6 pixelate.. In gen 7 both were similar in uu... I'm gen 9 early RU and NU despite flirg was better

Why Base Stat Totals Aren’t Everything

I'm Sorry I'm Dumb, But what does BST mean again?

How many times must I tell people there are NO bad fully evolved Dragon types. Goodra is also pretty good especially since no pseudo legendary Pokémon is bad due to their high stats and no Pokémon with high stats is truly bad especially if you can use them right. So I am afraid you are wrong there.

Honestly, I think Iron thorns would have been better if it was electric dark

I wish Rampardos is so much better

thx so much for skipping slaking and regigigas

Mega camerupt has stats for days but yeah

3:57

Wishiwashi

I want a usable mega slaking so bad

highest stat SpD just isn't a good build

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“competitive viability” refers to doubles/VGC