I miss Pac-Maze so much :(

@@AlexEXE me too :'(

Honestly Pac-Maze should of been on both the 3DS and Wii U versions of Smash 4 so it could return to Smash Ultimate

To be honest I think of all the stages mentioned Pac land is one off the "best" (don't get me wrong it is still terrible). I don't think the platforming is that bad as far as scrolling stages go, it is just that the stage looks horrible. I'm sure if this was the Minecraft stage everyone would love it for no reason. For ultimate while I don't think there is new terrible stage I don't find the stage standard that high either, most stage really REALLY lack dynamism. The DLCs added the incredible spring stadium and made my wish come true by adding azurda as a stage (I don't care about xenoblade by the way) but the other stages are really meh. I think the 3DS list was way better.

@SHON It's because Maze has that gimmick that requires each player to have their own screen so...

Ouch, I've felt that

Same

Lol I remember making a stage named George and was just a bunch of circles over a lava floor

😦 it’s a good thing I don’t know how to post it online

most custom stages are more playable than the retro game stages

Nice pfp/name idea

@cyleeisme Brawl Stars Dude why are you getting mad it's a compliment chill out

@Cyrus Brawl Stars I was just saying that I like his PFP because it's funny, no need to be upset over a compliment. that seems a little dumb, don't you think?

lmao this is just Morgz' family

I agree with you. Pac Maze is much better Pac Man stage than Pac Land.

What is it?

When the match starts and gets to the fire hydrants, push one by walking into it and you’ll grow big as if you got a mushroom.

Oh I didn't know that... Cool!

@@DeityShinobi It’s not working

@@DangerOctoYT I think it might be random thing , so try pushing all of them from all sides.

Why didn't they pick 25m? That's way more famous!

@@hexagonalsquare9985 I agree they need an update

How is no one comment about jungle japes it s one of the most garbage stages and legit unplayable if you go throught the moving water you will get spiked by a crocodile

Ok fun fact about the Pauline spirit:when I was fighting it yesterday peach jumped off the map, fell under the platform I was standing on, and used their recovery,while still under the platform... So I now have the Pauline spirit

And don't forget about those Motherf*cking springs with their fucking movement patterns and which can knock you out of bounds in 2 hits if you are careless. Okay, there is a sound cue given to announce when they strike, but still... That said, still fun seeing unexperimented players or low level CPU got hit and K.O'd by the flying springs and losing their shit over it.

I hate that spirit battle with a fucking passion.

@@Mikeinator_ I hate spirit battles, period. Half the time, they just aren't fun and often veer towards utter bullshit.

You know at the very right, the rails extended to the blast zone, making that specific area at least possible to fight on. But Sm4sh and Ultimate literally removed that, and the only way of actually being able to fight on that stage is gone. Yippee.

2:31

The game is standing up for its own stage.

@@techngamin ty!❤

I made a box of lava with one tiny way out

It really resembles that level more too

It is and for me is a nice tribute like Rainbow Cruise. Rainbow Cruise is better represented though, but is a pain in the ass to fight on. I would put it in the same vain as Ice Cicle Mountain and Rumble Falls in terms of annoyance and am surprised 😮 not to see it on this list. It's fun as hell to watch though. 👍

They weren't the best but they were pretty good

The soundtrack is at least good

It's also keeping me from beating all the Event Matches in Smash 4 Wii U. How in the world do you manage to grab enough food in the time limit without taking too much damage that forces you to need to eat even more food?!

Compucles I think that's one of few I never cleared either. It's so hard

@@Compucles Use Sonic?

@@MeesterTweester offensive cave

@@Compucles oh man, that challenge took me months to beat. I wasn’t playing it non stop of course, I’d just play it in between the other easier challenges. I was very happy when I finally got it done though

It's really fun when you're playing with multiple people, especially for people who like stage hazards. Also the music is epic.

@@tjtg8861 Yeah, I tried it with multiple people and still hate that stage.

I don't hate pac-land, unti it starts scrolling

I wouldn't hate Pac-Land if Pac maze didn't exist

Me too. Just the serene deserted place vibe was really cool for a Mario stage

I just hate the underground part.

I think it was made to resemble Sarasaland

@@juandavidamadomartin8015 I know just thought I'd be cool

I mean Mario has a desert world If We tale the example of Green Hill getting dusted in Forces, than it's Just not being used

Yeah

@@Its_bloon.yt2011 It the Donkey Kong arcade game it's suppose to be extremely hard. Which is why you need to focus on surviving rather than fighting.

Moray Towers feels more like an arcade Donkey Kong stage than 75m

Well; they do explain that the kingdom you once knew has turned to dust and been ruined and also rusted away over the long years apparently. Doesn't make it a good stage though. 75m; Rumble Falls; Great Cave Offensive; Hannenbow; Palutena's Temple; Hyrule Temple; Wrecking Crew; Rainbow Ride(don't even like that level in Super Mario 64); Pac-Land; Balloon Fight; hate all of those stages. But at least Peach's Castle fixed all the problems; and you can turn off bad stages. So you don't have to deal with Wrecking Crew; Balloon Fight; Pac-Land; or any of the bad returning or bad new stages you don't have or want to. And I don't even mind 8 Player Smash. I'd rather have had Poke Floats come back though. Despite how tense things got for me every time I played on it in Melee; and how I secretly hated it sometimes; despite how much I love Pokemon though. But there's no excuse for Pac-Land; Hanenbow; Wrecking Crew; Mario Bros. 75m; and especially Mushroomy Kingdom. Those stages suck. And for various reasons. As well as Great Cave Offensive(lives up to its name); Palutena's Temple; Hyrule Temple(fights take TOO long and it's annoying. Should've cut it in half or gotten rid of it; like Icicle Mountain). And Rainbow Ride? Did anyone like that level in SM64? I know I didn't. Should've used Bob-Omb Battlefield; maybe Tick-Tock Clock; even one of the 3 Bowser levels:Bowser In The Dark World, Bowser In The Fire Sea, and Bowser In The Sky. Maybe something like: Tiny-Huge Island? Lava Lava Land? Or maybe, Shifting Sand Land? More Super Mario 64 stages wouldn't have been bad...probably. Also, what about the Ice stages like Snoman's Land or the other one I forgot the name of; with the crying baby penguin that everybody hates finding.

I have actually blocked that out of my mind. Thanks for bringing it back. My older brother would pick that stage and I would die more to platforms problems or explosions than anything else. What absolute abomination of a stage

Wasn’t that the stage that literally took one year to develop ? Besides I really loved this stage so nah

That stage was so damn awful, and that’s a shame because it was one heck of a spectacle

Break the Targets only truly functioned as a side mode thru Melee due to the moderate roster size. I'm still bummed out about a lack of substantial side modes in Ultimate for 1P. Even in Wii U I would play Crazy Orders or even Smash Tour for the chaotic factor. Grinding out the moves and trophies was more of an incentive than Spirits which are too simple.

DUDE GREAT CAVE OFFENSIVE IS GREAT

@@sophiebubbles07 It the Donkey Kong arcade game it's suppose to be extremely hard. Which is why you need to focus on surviving rather than fighting.

I think Pac-Maze relied on the players each having their own screen to make one of the gimmicks work. Though I'd still prefer if they'd found a way around it instead of using the cruddier stage.

@@PTp1ranha They managed to modify Golden Plains to work in a single-screen environment, though

@@PTp1ranha I think Pac-man has the stage advantage of PacLand, because he has the easiest time choosing between zoning you out or running away from danger. For everyone else it feels harder. It's the stage being bias with the character from the same franchise. Same thing applies to Lucas and New Pork City.

This air is made of air

I feel the same way about Mushroomy Kingdom and also Duck Hunt, but Duck Hunt’s actually pretty good for a fight.

There's also a random glitch where if you get trapped in the drum, the moment the stage morphs, your character is stuck in the air with invincibility...forever. I learned that in an Ultimate Salt is Real video a very long while ago and I still remember it

@@kittybaby6242 Cool

Nah, Smash 4 really went wild with the gimmicks, in some stages making them far more faithful to the source material, like: the gravity effect in Mario Galaxy, the power pellets and ghosts in Pac-Maze, Ridley’s battle in Pyrosphere, the many unique platforms in Wily Castle, the bombs, falling floors and drums in Wrecking Crew, etc. Pac-Land (the game) is a side scroller, and I remember hearing it was a pioneer for 2D platformers as a whole, being inspiration for the very Super Mario Bros., so it makes sense for Sakurai to wanna immortalize this game in Smash with a side scrolling stage...too bad the stage itself sucks, many mechanics from the original games don’t really translate all that well in Smash, many were too intrusive to the battle itself that were super annoying, even for casual play, it’s almost as if the reason Omega forms became a thing was because they acknowledged how overly whacky they made many of the stages, and they didn’t want to annoy most players too much (chaos is fun, but not always), thank god they really toned that down in Ultimate, for the better, even Moray Towers is miles better than 75m or Palutena’s Temple, they also returned the hazards toggle (although it needs some fixing tbh), and gave every stage a Battlefield form so people that hate most stage layouts can enjoy more than just a bunch of flat surfaces

Tbf, the only thing that truly feels out of place is that bumper at the very top, everything else reminds me a bit of the sky levels in Super Mario 64

What's wrong with Sector Z??? Besides the Arwing being OP, I guess.

Sector Z is and was amazing. Imo way better than lylat and corneria

That's true, but if I had to choose between 75 and 25 I'd take 25m.

@@aidankocherhans9861 defo agreed, but it would be pretty similar to moray

Maybe it would’ve had less floors, and they would’ve been more separated, like more proper, very long platforms with ladders and DK throwing barrels (that may’ve been removable by deactivating hazards), instead of the “long zigzagging staircase” layout Moray Towers has

Just go with 100m then

Same, honestly. And not just because "haha, funny green screen." I just genuinely like it.

Me to

Here's something that's always puzzled me about Hanenbow: Electroplankton is a music-based game, yes? So why does Hanenbow only have one song? Keep in mind that this stage was introduced in Brawl, where stages can have more than two songs to them. Heck, the Rhythm Heaven series has _three_ songs in Ultimate, and it's yet to have a single stage to its name.

I’ve Never liked Hanenbow But I understand why people like it

They should’ve cut hanenbow from ultimate to bring back Poké floats

Tbh I really like mushroomy kingdom and rumble falls In my opinion they both have nice visuals and aren’t that bad to play

I don't have any problems with some of them (Except maybe Pac-Land, i only play there because of the music), Mario Bros. being one of my favorites. But Mushroomy Kingdom... That's a case of ''Look how they massacred my boy!'' It's... Just ugly.

WHAT

More like not so fun fact

It was also removed in the 3ds Version Of Smash 4

It's ugly and plain, seeing all of the beautiful stages we have in Ultimate, Mushroomy Kingdom looks kinda crap in comparison

Kalos Pokémon League

hanenbow and pokefloats are the only acceptable answers

Temple, no contest.

Northern Cave, Minecraft World (Because of the randomly generated layout and biome, it gives you a thought of what it's gonna be like when you choose it), Luigi's Mansion, and New Donk City Hall, those are four stages in my list

KO punch will be high up there

@@thesardonicrenegade3065 Falcon punch from smash 64 will most likely be on there.

@@jorgieporgie4009 I wish they would bring back falcons voice line from that game, puts a lot more oomph into the attack

Smash 4 Witch Time.

@@alfredc.7777 that move doesn't really count.

Honestly the only reason people liked Brawl was because of its story mode. Without it mostly likely nobody would have cared for it. Slowest gameplay out of all the Smash games, the worst stages in the series, the worst in balancing characters and Tripping. I swear that the inclusion of a story, 3rd party characters and the music was what kept it from being completely forgotten.

@@kylewoodowens4488 Boss Battle, Stage Builder, Final Smashes, Assist Thropies. And Brawl is the worst balanced, did you saw Melee, Kirby with escapable grabs, Marth with a theter, Jigglypuff back air and rest killing at 0, Peach down smash dealing 50% and breaking shield, Pokémon Stadium making you drop when you are walking, Mewtwo with a reflector that don’t reflect, Bowser down throw dealing 0% to Jigglypuff and Mr. Game and Watch, Ice Climbers freezing glitch, Roy attack having a longer animation than the active hitbox, and the list extend more

@@thewisthersgames 2nd worst balanced.

Do you hate the Pac-land?

I wish that in Ultimate, the hazards toggle only got rid of the Yellow Devil, the platforms should really stay, Wily Castle is just its Omega Form from Smash 4 without hazards -_-

Honestly, Poke Floats is one of my all-time favorites. The only negative thing I can say about it is that I've clipped through Seel a few times.

@@SuperGoker64 I haven't, because I avoid him 'cause I know how wacked out his collision detection can be. I usually stay on Venusaur until Wobbuffet appears, then I jump on Seel for about a second to get to Wobbuffet.

Yeah, I don’t get why some people hate it. It’s chaotic, but that’s the fun of it. A great stage for casual play, especially at parties. I’ve definitely gotten some good laughs out of it. Shame it’s not in Ultimate. It would be a blast in 8-player Smash. Would also look really nice to see the sky in HD

@@thedapperdolphin1590 I know, right? My last remaining hope is that they'll add a past stages DLC pack or something, but that's prob'ly not gonna happen.

@Julio Paulino 1. By "charm" I mean jank 2. I was talking about the stage Mushroom Kingdom 3. I planned on listing numbers, but I forgot to

@Julio Paulino the one with the pipes that you can actually enter and the pit with the scale

Yeah they didn’t mention it for a reason. Pokefloats is the best stage in melee and should be tournament legal

It also looks like it came from a ******** coloring book.

I was playing in an online arena and this person constantly picked that stage just to use the koopas and won every time and it was a 4v4

I love Poke Floats 😪

ok

Poke floats is amazing though

I don't know if Poke Floats is good, but it was my favorite as a child.

Poké Floats is so weird it's good. By a casual standpoint, I mean...

ps: The only reason why i love the Balloon fight stage is because i love it's battlefield/omega stage.

Gamer’s a good casual stage

same

Ay dont hate on it you know some people like it like me and many others

I don't even know how to tackle that spirit because the stage makes chasing her so complicated.

@@aidankocherhans9861 Sakurai himself showed us how to beat that one in one of the DLC presentations. Basically, you need to equip yourself with a Staff, then at the beginning of the match, just jump and shoot with the right timing.

@@Compucles I tried that, but she jumped around so much I kept missing.

Also being a huge stage is already a gimmick in on itself, another reason why Temple works so well is because it doesn’t disrupt the fight with anything other than it’s very own irregular terrain, which is also decently spaced out, making fighting and moving around that stage very fine despite its size, which is very important for a stage so huge, so when a large stage has other gimmicks, that automatically makes them a cluster because just moving around is already tricky