Interesting conversation, I'm halfway through now and just wanted to comment before I forget.. I don't know if we're gonna get a version of Ye that doesn't do and say controversial things. He did a interview in late 2021 with a performance artist named Tino Sehgal, in the interview Ye says something along the lines of (I can't let people love me for too long , I always have to have the freedom of being disliked). And this was during the post Donda 1 era when it seemed like he was regaining the publics affection the most he had in years. Right after that he started that Skeet Davidson antagonistic stuff leading into Donda 2 . Skye quoted it "as soon as they like you , make them unlike you" It's confusing to figure out how much of what Ye says is what he really believes or some sort of front performance art in service of another message. During the TLOP era Ye did an interview with Clique and said he was thinking about doing the same thing with the Swastika as he did with The Confederate Flag on the Yeezus tour making it his flag. During the Ye (album) era Ye was doing that with the Maga hat. The Hitler stuff I think all stems from back then because he was going to name his next album Love Everyone, and on the cover have a picture of the Doctor he feels was responsible for Donda's death. I remember he tweeted that people should think of the person who harmed them the most and say you love and forgive them. Then he did the TMZ interview, and unaired was him saying he loved Hitler. I wouldn't argue that what Ye says about Jewish people isn't potentially dangerous and I don't think it's 100% a performance art act and he doesn't believe anything he says but I can defend and forgive Ye because I feel he has good intentions. I think he believes that censorship, and not empathizing with the other side closes the door on conversation and that is the real problem, not bigoted viewpoints, because the people will continue to have those viewpoints only strengthen as a faction against you if condemn or deplatform them. Ye is definitely confusing, because then there's also a selfish element of this where it's just about his money and power, yet he wants the money and power because he thinks he would do good things for the world with that money and power not just for the sake of materialism or ego.

Excellent discussion. I have lived and breathed Ye since high school, and unfortunately he is very much tethered to my personality. I wasn’t very effected by this era during this era - because I held onto the fact that he was mentally ill, was being influenced by the wrong people, really was trying to spread love through showing how everyone can be “saved” and on and on with all the excuses a typical Kanye apologist cooks up. But listening to this now quite frankly was very depressing. With that said I do still have hope that he focuses on the housing, affordable clothes, reinventing the way we consume music through stem, etc. I am curious to what you think, but I do not need another ye album. I have felt that since JIK. Which I love. I’m in a strange place where I am satisfied with his discography, and the work is so timeless that I never feel like I need something else… I was scared before JIK in fear he’d tarnish his discography, and now I couldn’t live without the option of tuning into that vibe of ye. Same with Donda, and now I couldn’t live without it. Same with Vultures. - it is quite an amazing thing for an artist to be able to create different bodies of work that are so completely different than one another that you know exactly which album to turn on for whatever mood you are in. And one last note: to defend Vultures. I consider this club music. Ye didn’t have club music and now he does. Obviously the album is significantly deeper than that, but there you go.

0:46 - 1:21 That intro ditty is a bop and needs to be played in all clubs. May we have the song name and singer please?

15:40 H to the itler is the wildest bar in the history of music

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