Can A Christian Minister Convert Us Live On Air? | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

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@lcars2006 Ай бұрын

A theist threating eternal torment is like a hippie threating to punch you in your aura.

@jackabalas Ай бұрын

You clearly haven’t done acid with a hippie with bad aim

@youtubestudiosucks978 Ай бұрын

Are you that hippie? Have you tried glasses? Or even contact lenses? @@jackabalas

@jackabalas Ай бұрын

@@youtubestudiosucks978 no I’m not that proverbial hippie but I have done acid him

@solly119119 Ай бұрын

Now that .... was an original (and very funny) line!

@lcars2006 Ай бұрын

@@solly119119 Yes, I know, VERY original. (Also, sarcasm)

@arctictruck10 Ай бұрын

YOUR religion does not prohibit ME from anything. It prohibits YOU. Know the difference.

@hellshade2 Ай бұрын

YUP! 👍💯

@michaelvanzalingen2683 Ай бұрын

That's no fun.

@arctictruck10 Ай бұрын

@michaelvanzalingen2683 all the things that can send you to hell is fun

@LaughingSkull451 Ай бұрын

WHY is your comment like THIS?

@joshsheridan9511 Ай бұрын

@@LaughingSkull451it was probably sent via a phone

@robertwood2005 Ай бұрын

I’m an 80 year old atheist. I’ve read the Bible cover to cover. It’s exactly what one would expect from writers 2 or 3 thousand years ago. Nothing more. The atheists are more correct.😀😀🍸

@stevesheppardmusic Ай бұрын

And I agree, if you also read The Epic of Gilgamesh, that's also an interesting read

@dylanjones268 Ай бұрын

Makes for great entertainment though.. I love all of the hollywood takes on demon's and angels, sometimes the big guy and his rival. My take on religion is really just people doing what I do with fiction. I escape reality by enjoying a good book or movie that has little to no connection to reality, that's what theists do but they have accepted a thing that can be on the same level as their reality because movies and books just don't cut it for them.

@lorianabanana6066 Ай бұрын

Love to see older generation atheists!! I work in a hospital so I see alot of older patients. I'm not going to say they're ALL religious, but most are. Love to see it!! ❤

@robertwood2005 Ай бұрын

@@lorianabanana6066 Most people in my generation were religious. I was indoctrinated from earliest memory, but had too many questions that no one could answer. I never actually de-converted but did stop attending services in my early 20’s. Was probably 60 years old before I called myself an atheist. Earlier I just didn’t give it that much thought. A non issue.😬😬🍸😊😊

@pallejensen9484 Ай бұрын

yes we are. im 53 next week as a 4th generation atheist. and my 20 years old son is 5th generation

@johnsperry9494 Ай бұрын

“The road to atheism is littered with bibles that have been read cover to cover." --Andrew L. Seidel “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” ― Isaac Asimov "Atheism is what happens when you read the bible. Christianity is what happens when somebody else reads it for you." -- Robert G. Ingersoll. "I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." -- Isaac Asimov

@plaguedoct0r Ай бұрын

"I can't imagine how the universe started, therefore it must be magic" is the thinking of a 5 year old.

@Leith_Crowther Ай бұрын

What’s the difference between a theistic minister and a cult leader? Usually, tax status.

@humbleevidenceaccepter7712 Ай бұрын

The difference between a church and a cult is the number of followers.

@joshsheridan9511 Ай бұрын

A cult leader is more likely to be prosecuted for their crimes

@nobs997 Ай бұрын

A cult leader wants his gullible followers to believe that he is the chosen one and sell them a Bible for $59.99

@davehayes8324 12 күн бұрын

In a cult, there is someone at the top who knows it's all BS. In a religion, that person is dead.

@thinkcritically655 Ай бұрын

And he ends his speech with a threat because that's the only thing religious people have.

@KintokiSan 6 күн бұрын

*empty threat But yes.

@neopolitan2076 2 күн бұрын

@@KintokiSan That's like correcting someone who calls a circle a circle because you want to call it an oval. All empty threats are still threats. All circles are ovals. To call any 'empty threat' a 'threat' is by definition obviously accurate. What a strange correction, I would love to have a look inside your head at what you were thinking when you typed that.

@KintokiSan 2 күн бұрын

@@neopolitan2076 the comparison of these terms falls flat for me. Calling a threat empty is not the same as calling a circle an oval because "empty" adds meaning rather than using a different term entirely. It's honestly baffling that you think this comparison made sense. I think it's important to call the threat empty because they have no way of knowing that it will ever come to pass. So I'd love to have a look inside your head to see why this reasonable distinction triggered you so. That's very odd.

@neopolitan2076 2 күн бұрын

@@KintokiSan Okay, since you're simple, how about if you said "Wow that's a nice car!" and someone said "ACKCHUALLY its a RED car. But thanks anyway." You might think to yourself "Yeah but its still a car, why the fuck did you correct me over that?" Do you understand better now? Because if you still don't I really can't help you.

@KintokiSan 2 күн бұрын

@@neopolitan2076 hey it's not my fault that you still can't grasp that your comparisons suck more than you do at the bar every weekend. but I get it we all have to make a living somehow. no shame in that. your false equivalences couldn't be any worse if you tried to make them bad on purpose. it's okay though, I realize you're not to blame. I blame your less than sufficient education and broken home. if it makes you feel any better though I can tell you this: yes, your hypotheticals are truly idiotic and I would never say anything so hilariously stupid. hope that helps you understand that you still haven't managed to get the difference between your false equivalences and my comment.

@pdoylemi Ай бұрын

The Bible is VERY much against HONEST questioning. It is FILLED with passages telling people to reject out of hand, anything that challenges their belief.

@CarlEveriss Ай бұрын

There is more evidence that Santa exists as he at least brings me gifts every year.

@jonahprescott8378 Ай бұрын

I say the same thing, at least we have evidence that people exist, and reindeer exist and that gifts exist. Santa is more believable

@BaronVonQuiply Ай бұрын

@@jonahprescott8378 Combine Rudolph with the Alice In Wonderland mushroom and you find out where the flying part came from (serious)

@sister_bertrille911 Ай бұрын

At least Santa is based on a historical figure, Nicholas of Myra, for whom there is compelling evidence.

@stephenolan5539 Ай бұрын

Santa Claus was at the Council of Nicea and may have punched out a guy for saying that Jesus didn't exist before he was born. True story. OK so he was known as Saint Nicolas before being known as Santa Claus and I'm rewording why he might have decked someone but otherwise that's what the records say. And he gave some young women enough money that they didn't have to put out the red light.

@IAteTheCannoli Ай бұрын

And Santa lives in the North Pole, which is a verified place unline magical realms like heaven

@MAR1N4M1 Ай бұрын

One of my cousins became a pastor and tried to convert me while I was building a new deck for my aunt. I told him to stfu and pick up a tool or get lost. He ended up quietly helping me finish his moms deck, and I'm still an atheist.

@dr.theopolis9877 Ай бұрын

You handled it perfectly. Well done.

@jamesparson Ай бұрын

How is the deck doing?

@ALTDOK667 Ай бұрын

He said it was finished.@@jamesparson

@sonja4164 Ай бұрын

😂

@wolfeddie Ай бұрын

He couldn't end that call worse than that: Pascal's wager plus hell threat. Man, i'm so proud to be an atheist.

@helicopterharry5101 Ай бұрын

The Bible encourages you to question... but if you come to any conclusion that isn't agreeing with it, then you're a liar or a fool.

@exaucemayunga22 Ай бұрын

It's okay to question God as long as you accept that he's always right.

@banishedbr Ай бұрын

i have to disgree, first paragraph is an assumption that shut's questions up. And it's the contrary, if you agree with it your a fool =D

@vincentwiese8414 Ай бұрын

Don't be so credulous and gullible. There is no Deity. The Bible DEBUNKS ITSELF.

@Titantr0n Ай бұрын

It actually very much discourages it but yeah.

@seannelson3613 Ай бұрын

My favorite thing that this show ever did was prove what we already knew with video and audio evidence: that these pastors, priest, ministers, and other holy men aren't any more able to explain how religion is true than the people sitting in the pews.

@paulcontursi5982 Ай бұрын

And the professional apologists are no better. Their delivery might be a little more polished and they might have bigger vocabularies, but their arguments are just as weak as the rest of the folks who call into the show.

@seannelson3613 Ай бұрын

@@paulcontursi5982 I agree completely. I find it good to have such a record because when someone de-converts, one of the first things they hear is for them to talk to the local pastor/priest/whatever to explain why they're wrong. It's just good to have a VERY long and extensive record since at least 2006 that these people can't make this stuff make any more sense. I honestly think that's a big part of the decline in religiousness, at least in the US. When I was young, these arguments were very rare, and almost never publicized. Since at least 2006, these debates have been much more accessible, and it is increasingly difficult to justify these beliefs any more.

@colinbland6484 Ай бұрын

What a terrible way for the caller to sign off. Threatening punishment because we don’t buy into the nonsense is such an awful thing to say to someone. There isn’t a scenario where I’d threaten to torture someone because they don’t want to be my friend.

@VaughanMcCue Ай бұрын

Even worse if he got the wrong god.

@paulcontursi5982 Ай бұрын

True, but isn't it a great way to deflect from the issues and have to apply rational analysis to the beliefs themselves?

@stobe187 Ай бұрын

That's always the finale, preceded by a multitude of superficial "yes sir, no sir" pleasantries. I find it loathsome.

@VaughanMcCue Ай бұрын

@@stobe187 We were fortunate that Prattles, the underinformed pastor, was congruent in his parting words. You can't fault him for following the imagined teachings of the mythical Jesus story. It is what we would expect from a bastard who bashes his girlfriend and lovingly suggests to her that if she does not love him enough when he gets back from drinking with his buddies, she will get another dose of correction.

@grahvis Ай бұрын

Not just threatening punishment, but relishing the idea.

@randomgenericdude Ай бұрын

"You made me look silly, so you will burn in hell." ... He stuck the landing!

@johnsperry9494 Ай бұрын

You want to know about Jesus? How would you like it if someone came up to you and said, “I love you, I really, really love you, but if you don’t love me back, I’m going to set you on fire. That’s Jesus. That’s not salvation, that’s extortion. And it’s definitely not love. It’s like a Mafia thug telling you to obey the boss or I’m going to break your kneecaps. If you can love that person, you have a twisted idea of love.

@jwsanders1214 22 күн бұрын

You haven't even bothered to read the Gospel of John . John 3 : 16-17 " For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son , that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life For God did not send his Son to condemn the world , but that through him the world might be saved " Jesus isn't sending you to Hell , you are already on your way . He has done everything to prevent you from going to Hell , if you end up there it is your choice .

@MrCanis4 Ай бұрын

Yet another, "I have this special knowledge about this special friend. I am special." You don't and you're not.

@shrews12001 Ай бұрын

Oh he's special alright

@Vek_Zythe Ай бұрын

It is a crime that your comment doesn't have at least 1Million 👍

@chriskwakernaat2328 Ай бұрын

Jesus is santa for grownups "be good or you don't get a present" (heaven)

@joecurran2811 Ай бұрын

Having listened I think a threat of hell is a bigger concern to them

@ziploc2000 Ай бұрын

Nice little threat at the end there from God's self-appointed mafia.

@oscarmudd6579 Ай бұрын

It's the same process by which they decided that their guns are more convincing than their god.

@ziploc2000 Ай бұрын

Early on he admits he hasn't actually read the whole bible, then tells the hosts they should.

@LOwens-xf8yo Ай бұрын

No one reads the whole Bible and then believes. Christians are taught to believe the Bible is true before they read it. Because then, anything that doesn’t make sense is YOUR fault, not the books. You must learn how to read it. Or better yet, don’t read it, just trust that someone else’s understanding is 100% true. Reading the Bible is dangerous stuff. Turned me into an atheist.

@slimjim227 Ай бұрын

When I was a child I spoke as a child, I understood with a child’s understanding, I believed because the voice of authority told me to believe. But when I became a man I put away childish thinking, I began to question the voice of authority. And soon after I became an atheist.

@jackwhitbread4583 Ай бұрын

When I was a child I spoke as a child who had a genuine interest in learning. My very Catholic father certainly wasn't impressed that I gave no more credence to the biblical story books he would give me than any other fiction that I immersed myself in. He hated that I questioned his faith even at the age of 5 years old but yet he couldn't tell me where his God came from. My very first question as a child was who made God? It wasn't something he could answer satisfactorily and so I didn't give his religion a chance.

@JDdr86 Ай бұрын

👆🏽THIS!!!❕️❕️❕️❕️❕️

@johnsperry9494 Ай бұрын

“To someone with faith, no explanation is necessary. To someone without faith, no explanation is possible.” -- Thomas Aquinas. (Translation: If you’re gullible, you’ll believe it. If you require evidence, too bad, there isn’t any.)

@papabeard4976 Ай бұрын

Thing is... every day we get more evidence that God isn't real.

@CMcKay-82 Ай бұрын

@@papabeard4976 yep, as science reveals, religion dies a little, THANK GOD 😂

@sootuckchoong7077 Ай бұрын

The Jehovah's Witness said that in 1914 the World Will End. And it was almost true.

@jaclo3112 Ай бұрын

Yeah. Aquinas was the king of logical fallacies and thinking total hog shite was valid if he attributed to a deity that he refused to provide verifiable evidence exists.

@norrecvizharan1177 Ай бұрын

@@sootuckchoong7077 "Almost" is definitely an exaggeration tbh, considering life would've still carried on pretty normally regardless of which way the wars went. Although, I suppose on the flipside, it changed the world so much that I suppose it did "end" the current form of life for everyone. But that's life for you, things always change in either subtle or drastic ways, and absolutely nothing lasts forever.

@tonydarcy1606 Ай бұрын

For a preacher who had to have Pascal's wager explained to him show that he's not very good at his job. Four headed beast indeed ! These characters live in a fantasy world !

@stvnnmnn Ай бұрын

I could watch Jeff get wound up all day. Such a smart guy. Thanks Jeff for being a part of this show.

@chakuseki Ай бұрын

I miss these hosts 😢. Genuinely engaging the caller in a nonconfrontational way

@luv2fly745 Ай бұрын

Agree. Miss both of them.

@rhondah1587 Ай бұрын

They did years and years of this stuff and went off to do other things. Not everyone can or wants to do this forever.

@kyuubisgirl3232 Ай бұрын

@@rhondah1587obviously. Doesn’t make a person miss them any less.

@Despondencymusic Ай бұрын

@@kyuubisgirl3232No doubt

@macroman52 Ай бұрын

As opposed to mr grumpy and his endless epistemology arguments?

@MrMattSax Ай бұрын

I had multiple laugh-out-loud moments during this! I LOVED the preacher's incredulity when asked about the multi-headed dragon. And then when he said that if you investigate all the god concepts, it just so happens that the one he believes in is the only one that corresponds to logic. The one that made everything from nothing and then ran out of nothing so had to make man from dirt and then sacrificed himself to himself to allow himself to forgive his creation for doing what he knew they would do and then flew up to heaven after a zombie apocalypse.

@allanmason3201 Ай бұрын

I suppose it might happen often with millenarists, but this is the first time I can recall a theist going almost straight to Revelations to defend their beliefs. The Bible is flawed by every possible criteria and there are so many ways it can be shredded in rational critique, but anyone claiming to be a Christian preacher should know that Revelations is especially problematic.

@sydnar347 Ай бұрын

A young minister, very enthusiastic and caught up in the belief.

@chinopisces Ай бұрын

A dumb minister

@johnsperry9494 Ай бұрын

@@chinopisces oxymoron.

@ChrisM-zm4li Ай бұрын

He read some pamphlet with a bunch of talking points and watched a couple KZfaq videos and now he thinks he's studied and knows it all. He doesn't even know that the Beast in Revelation is supposed to have 7 heads, as I thought everyone knew.

@ChrisM-zm4li Ай бұрын

@@johnsperry9494 No, it's the opposite of one. It's simply a truism.

@phantomofkrankor3665 Ай бұрын

Every time they called him out, the caller just replied I’m not saying that. He was a master of not saying anything

@brucebaker810 Ай бұрын

And he talks for a living. And he called them.

@myfriendisaac Ай бұрын

23:13 The caller’s correction of “dragon” to “beast” was hilarious to me 😂🐉✝️

@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Ай бұрын

"I believe this bullshit, Christian theology simply because I was randomly born into this culture and was told to believe it as a child. I have no shred of verifiable data or empirical, science-based evidence for any supernatural events or Gods; I just believe it." If Christians could just start of by stating this fact these discussions would be much shorter.

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Ай бұрын

Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.

@facelesscleric2744 Ай бұрын

That last thing the caller said really demonstrates the saying "There is no hate like christian love"

@aarrgghh Ай бұрын

"after all that, you guys are gonna make me play the punishment card, aren't you?"

@josiahgittman1268 Ай бұрын

This is a classic example of a conversation between a rational person and a theist, there was an appeal to popularity, an appeal to faith, Pascal’s wager, and a thinly veiled threat of eternal torture. 😙👌🏻

@j.ascension7 Ай бұрын

I like how the preacher says, "Go research all the different gods" but he didn't even research the god he preaches about

@steve66oh Ай бұрын

22:35 "Dog headed jackal man" - dude, that's Anubis from the ancient Egypt pantheon..

@johns1625 Ай бұрын

The furry gods are best gods 😂

@markwoods4439 Ай бұрын

Sleep is a state of unconsciousness, not death😡 The caller does know what the heck he’s talking about!!

@feedingravens Ай бұрын

In other words, his 2nd-strongest argument is a word game, "The Little Death" that usually POETS use and NOT scientists. But for him it is "In the beginning was the word and the word was with god and the word was god". So words are totally sufficient for him, they are the direct connection to God, and ALL knowledge can ONLY come from God. Reality was created by God, so it is not more real than his word. So when the God-created reality conflicts with God's TRUTH revealed in the BIble - reality is wrong.

@markwoods4439 Ай бұрын

@@feedingravens Ok then, he just believes and has faith. But that’s not good enough for me!

@KarlBunker Ай бұрын

Yeah, I wonder where he thought he was going with that bit.

@topgunaudio7983 Ай бұрын

He took that from the quran, (39 v 42) doesn't even know his own bible. Muslims try to justify sleep as brain death but science proves that the brain remains active throughout sleep. His arguments are hilarious and demonstrates how few Christians actually have read the bible or researched other religions properly.

@thomascanfield8571 Ай бұрын

And sleep when our bodies do most of its repairs

@suburban-vampire Ай бұрын

"I have a couple of questions" = "I need to figure out where you fit into my flowchart so I can begin reading my script"

@hellshade2 Ай бұрын

Pro tip: when someone is about to say something to you and they first tell you they don't mean to be disrespectful means...they mean to be disrespectful...

@FalconStorm Ай бұрын

Revaluation messed me up so bad as a kid. My church taught that since the Rapture was due any second and so you had to be perfect or you risked Hell. They even put on plays where someone nice Christian child gave in to peer pressure and *Boom* Rapture, dooming the kid to Hell. “Oh I shouldn’t have lied to my parents and gone to this party.” “Oh if only I hadn’t sipped this wine cooler.” My mother even refused to save for my sister’s college education because she assumed the Rapture was due before my sister reached adulthood. My sister turns 35 this year. She spent a long time looking at the news and talking about how we were one step closer to the One World Order, with a World Bank and then barcodes were going to be the Mark of the Beast and all sorts of stuff. It took me about 34 years to finally stop having panic attacks even when I stopped believing in Christianity long before.

@GroundhogRoy Ай бұрын

Revaluation?

@MedicRN Ай бұрын

Just wow

@nickkarean Ай бұрын

You're considered ignorant and lack understanding of the bible until you agree with him that Christianity is true.

@Trainfan1055Janathan Ай бұрын

One of my coworkers once said, "Everyone's so obsessed with science these days..." I was so tempted to say, "Gee, I wonder why people would be obsessed with evidence supported by verifiable facts." I'm surrounded by Christians where I work. Which is weird considering they all curse like sailors.

@tonyclements1147 Ай бұрын

Hypocrites, the lot of them.

@jackwhitbread4583 Ай бұрын

On my experience Christians are the worst most vile creatures on earth. My very Catholic father abused my mother physically, emotionally, sexually and financially for over a decade. Not sure I've ever met a Christian who was actually a decent person.

@grahvis Ай бұрын

No problem for them, they just ask to be forgiven and they are all good.

@BeerAndWarcraft Ай бұрын

Finally a KZfaq channel that gets me!😮 Science asks for nothing and gives us everything; Religion asks for everything and gives us nothing!

@MBanksUnfiltered Ай бұрын

Nice

@tanaka173 Ай бұрын

At about 15 minutes in He says God's ways are beyond understanding. 5 minutes later he claims that the Christian God is the most reasonable since he's the closest to our logic. Which is it? Is God beyond our understanding or not

@jackabalas Ай бұрын

“40 Rosemary’s” clearly not a very well read minister 😂

@poopmcgee2410 Ай бұрын

Is that like his kfc recipe? 40 herbs and spices?

@Skycladatdusk78 Ай бұрын

40 Rosemary's leaving little room for the parsley and sage.

@jaydinledford6990 Ай бұрын

As penance you must recite 50 horseradishes

@brucebaker810 Ай бұрын

I've seldom cinnamon of God who had much Thyme for studying the other guy's cookbook. Also, conspiraseasonings. Cumin and Q women seem to skew religious.

@grantwing4942 Ай бұрын

Doing 40 rosemary's is going to take quite some thyme.

@corywhitebread6519 Ай бұрын

The answer is No. Not without first providing verifiable evidence that not only a god exists, but that god is their god and not any of the other 70,000 gods mentioned throughout human history. Then lastly providing verifiable evidence that the very book they read from is accurate and immoral all at once. Trying to convert someone who can literally see through and read the abhorrent actions mentioned and claimed in their book is going to be next to impossible.

@AntitheistHuman Ай бұрын

Being a theist is irrational by default. You can make the case about "feels good", "gives comfort", "I feel it in my heart" BUT it all comes back to >they want it to be true against all odds< and this is danger to themselves but also to people around them... "Believe I'm doing the will of god" said every single soldier in every war, said every terror(ist) ever, said all these people hunting witches in the dark ages and people killing everyone who just didn't believe in their god...religions may not be the cause of ALL evil in the world, BUT I am certain it is the cause of a hell lot and a huge chunk of the evil in this world

@cloutfisher7714 Ай бұрын

I died at 33:40 when he said "40 rosemaries" 🤣

@llwpeaches Ай бұрын

He says that right after he accuses them of speaking out of ignorance. It's too perfect. 🤣

@kennethmitchell1960 Ай бұрын

Just give it some thyme

@-Zevin- Ай бұрын

It was kind of frustrating that they never flipped his "you don't have a full understanding of Christianity therefore you can't criticize it" script. Just flip that logic, ask him to explain secularism and atheism, see if he has a "full understanding"

@mcnuffin1208 Ай бұрын

"Assuming that its true for conversation sake" in other words "if you assume im right, then im right!"

@donaldtrumpsbonespurs695 Ай бұрын

Faith is evidence. Evidence of being willfully ignorant.

@JohnnysCafe_ Ай бұрын

I was sent to Catholic school and from 5 years old i never believed it was true so i have always been an atheist.

@patjacksonpodium Ай бұрын

Wow, when Jeff finally went tf off on this jerk it was so satisfying. This caller is the worst kind of scum - he keeps it all polite and respectful on the surface, but there's always this condescending arrogance underneath it that is just waiting to boil over whenever they actually talk with someone who is willing to call them on their BS. I would not have lasted that long until flipping him off and hanging up, they were SUPER patient with that jerk.

@keaco73 Ай бұрын

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say he wasn’t successful lol

@Goldninjasteven Ай бұрын

That is a fair assumption

@c.guydubois8270 Ай бұрын

Ya think?

@helicopterharry5101 Ай бұрын

If the Bible delivers on dragons, I'll convert.

@JimMaisonneuve-ri9vg Ай бұрын

Even a Christian minister is subject to Blind faith. With Blind faith leads one to fall into the ditch of ignorance !

@pinky9440 Ай бұрын

All there is is blind faith. There is no other kind of faith.

@JimMaisonneuve-ri9vg Ай бұрын

@pinky9440 Also, Christians are an accident of birth! When I ask Christians why they are Christians, that's what they say. No critical thinking, just follow the herd!

@IRGeamer Ай бұрын

"You can look it up for yourself...", without any attempt to: cite any data/research, explain the reasoning behind the assertion, combined with a dismissive attitude when anyone asks for sources... nature's red flag, signalling wilful ignorance and a lack of critical thinking skills.

@davidlockett4207 Ай бұрын

"The thing you're not undetstanding" "The thing you're not understanding" and so on and so on

@LuckyEssoBee Ай бұрын

This is what I heard. A "minister of the Christian faith" proclaimed that he's "no biblical scholar" but, he thinks others are "speaking out of ignorance".

@Robeebert Ай бұрын

yeah around the 33:10 mark or so

@hailsagan8886 Ай бұрын

Cognitive dissonance on full display

@c.guydubois8270 Ай бұрын

Willfully ignorant?

@MasterSpade Ай бұрын

o..m..g... so according to that minister... Reality is what we each believe is real... lol!! And like it or not, religious faith IS BLIND Faith.

@artemisnite Ай бұрын

RevelatioN is clear as mud. 😂

@mindyourownbusinessfatty Ай бұрын

I love it when Geoff does the "How dare you," bit.

@Jcs57 Ай бұрын

I’m 68 and have lost count of the end of times proclamations yet the clock is still ticking

@perrygershin3946 Ай бұрын

You beat me, I won't be 68 for another couple of weeks. 😃

@4125131236323 Ай бұрын

the caller claims 'revelation' is literal and not a metaphor; therefore he thinks that all the stars in the universe will fall to earth.... and... the story will continue because earth is still here... those trumpet playing angels haven't even shown up yet... if even ONE star "fell to earth" there would be no earth... whoever wrote that nonsense was most certainly NOT inspired by someone that 'created the universe' (because they kinda shoulda known how big a star is...)

@roguebotanist Ай бұрын

The book of revelation would have been more cool if it predicted 3-head King Ghidra was was coming to destroy earth

@jexelbur6872 Ай бұрын

Now THAT’S the Holy Trinity

@Aaron-my9zy Ай бұрын

@@jexelbur6872 Ichi, Ni, and San... KING GHIDORAH, THE HOLY GOLDEN DRAGON TRINITY! Three heads, one body, who reign over the galaxy! Man, I fucking love Kaiju lol

@joshsheridan9511 Ай бұрын

Neither Christianity or the bible make much sense to me.

@noodlekeeper5150 Ай бұрын

Cause it's a garbage book written thousands of years ago that has NEVER been updated with newly discovered correct information.

@redpillpusher Ай бұрын

you're not alone in that all... in fact it's confusing to the ppl that believe in this BS too 😂

@-D-I-V-A- Ай бұрын

Aww! Well let me explain it! In the beginning God created all of us & everything you see! God chose (He's a personal being) to create Humans & gave us our actual Free Will! So we can choose to do good or bad, and to want to have a personal relationship with God or to not & stay away from Him (whatever we choose to do)... Now GOD being Perfect, Holy, & Righteous can't truly interact with us, because we are Sinful! But God loves us so much, that before Eternity past, God had decided to send Jesus Christ (God The Son) down to Earth to eventually pay the ultimate price for the Sins of the World, by dying! Because GOD is so Holy & Perfect, Sin requires death for all of us Humans! But with Jesus Christ paying the Fine in Full with His shed blood and Death for us... Now GOD can offer Salvation, Total Forgiveness, & Everlasting Life with Him in Heaven & on The New Earth in the future as a Free Gift! If anyone just humbly Repents of all their sins (turn from them) and just start to completely Trust in Jesus & what He did for us (not in our good works). WE WILL RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE WITH HIM FOREVER!

@-D-I-V-A- Ай бұрын

@@redpillpusher Aww! Well let me explain it! In the beginning God created all of us & everything you see! God chose (He's a personal being) to create Humans & gave us our actual Free Will! So we can choose to do good or bad, and to want to have a personal relationship with God or to not & stay away from Him (whatever we choose to do)... Now GOD being Perfect, Holy, & Righteous can't truly interact with us, because we are Sinful! But God loves us so much, that before Eternity past, God had decided to send Jesus Christ (God The Son) down to Earth to eventually pay the ultimate price for the Sins of the World, by dying! Because GOD is so Holy & Perfect, Sin requires death for all of us Humans! But with Jesus Christ paying the Fine in Full with His shed blood and Death for us... Now GOD can offer Salvation, Total Forgiveness, & Everlasting Life with Him in Heaven & on The New Earth in the future as a Free Gift! If anyone just humbly Repents of all their sins (turn from them) and just start to completely Trust in Jesus & what He did for us (not in our good works). WE WILL RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE WITH HIM FOREVER!

@-D-I-V-A- Ай бұрын

@stevestevens6852 Ай бұрын

Every religion is faith-based so does that make all the other religions true also

@SecondaryHomunculus Ай бұрын

Eww, why does he keep saying "taste and see"? I bet his church has a sign out front that says "Jesus must enter you before you enter the kingdom, let him come into you."

@johnchambers9836 Ай бұрын

Well he did once get nailed by a load of guys in skirts

@tma2001 Ай бұрын

yeah too many priests took that too literally with children ;)

@ApatheticFish3667 Ай бұрын

Dingleberry, prove you DIDN'T get arrested for assault.

@brentmiller3951 Ай бұрын

This is great .this priest showes his colors

@johnsperry9494 Ай бұрын

Secular Buddhist: An Atheist who likes incense.

@johnsergei Ай бұрын

But though those phonelines they get no sense.

@VaughanMcCue Ай бұрын

A circular Buddhist likes Big Macs.

@alecphobia Ай бұрын

Meeee lmao

@dimitrioskalfakis Ай бұрын

that was more like a psychoanalysis session of christianity rather than the pastor's or anything else.

@cwillis92 Ай бұрын

It's extremely ironic that this guy says "you should read it & truly understand the bible" while I'll say about 10 minutes into the call he admitted atheist at times know the book better than he does.

@rhondah1587 Ай бұрын

Caller needs to check out some actual biblical scholars and learn the origins of his precious buybull. It's a wild ride into ancient mythology and Bronze Age cultures. His buybull is basically just a rendition of ancient middle eastern Bronze Age cultural mythology adapted from earlier ancient mythologies. The biblical god wasn't even original but borrowed from a pantheon of the Canaanite gods, a son of the supreme god El. LOL

@ernesthastie-gg7kn Ай бұрын

The most sense that this chap spoke was ahum

@williambeckett6336 Ай бұрын

Next time a christian tells you "something cannot come from nothing" ask them where the loaves and fishes came from. And you can immediately tell when they're about to gaslight you when they pull out any variation of the truly prehistoric con-man line of "you just don't GET it." His variation was "talking about christianity "with a full understanding". That's when the con-man has sensed his mark has sniffed out his BS and isn't buying it or found the flaws. And he then has to pivot to damamge control mode.

@russelld2925 Ай бұрын

This isn't a good retort. They do believe something can come from nothing, if God is doing it.

@markboz3366 Ай бұрын

Scary to think that this guy is the most reasonable theist I've heard on this channel.

@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536 Ай бұрын

As a member of one of the last generations to experience traditional religious practices, such as baptism and church attendance on significant holidays like Christmas Eve and Easter, I had a profound realization at the tender age of seven. During a church service, I distinctly remember thinking to myself that the priest's words seemed devoid of genuine substance. This experience, coupled with my parents' own skepticism toward religious beliefs, led me to discontinue my participation in religious activities, as did the majority of our people. The churches became monuments of the past, some transformed into beautiful clubs (even a gay club in Amsterdam and Den Bosch), others became apartments or stunning libraries. I'm 51 now, (Dutch), and I know no one who attends church nowadays. It's something from the past. And we are doing better than ever. Can you imagine throwing away a huge part of your life on something that isn't real? Such a waste of beautiful time.

@maximusgladus Ай бұрын

At 31 mins we get to the crux... "coz of faith". 😅

@EbuCallinav Ай бұрын

This sounds like a man who has unironically turned his chair around multiple times to "rap with the youth."

@user-mk3zm6fe4s Ай бұрын

Sleep is a stage of death ? What ,nope ,we just get lower heartbeat and going in a relaxed state of resting.

@billrichards9193 Ай бұрын

Buddha was not a god he was a man who became enlightened in his own mind and then shared that wisdom,with his Brothers and Sisters.Thats All..

@k.s.k.7721 Ай бұрын

Not only that, but he emphasized that his accomplishment of understanding his own mind was something that all people were capable of. He recognized that not many would be interested in doing so, but that it is within the ability of humans to achieve mental clarity, and live their lives with compassion towards other living beings.

@noodlekeeper5150 Ай бұрын

True. But there are sects of Buddhism that believe in devas, which are a kind of deity, just not a creator God.

@sad_doggo2504 Ай бұрын

@@noodlekeeper5150But didn't Buddha specifically tell people NOT to worship him? 🤔 I might be misremembering...

@noodlekeeper5150 Ай бұрын

@@sad_doggo2504 I believe you are correct. I'm just saying that some of them do believe in gods (devas), just not Siddhartha as a god.

@jamescarpenter7161 Ай бұрын

And there are some people that believe the stories of Christ might have been influenced by the stories of Buddha. Since Buddha lived about 4000 years before Jesus supposedly did.

@Godless_Doc Ай бұрын

That was a slow, polite Gish gallop.

@zenncatt Ай бұрын

pastor got owned

@tedgrant2 29 күн бұрын

"when thou makest a feast, call the poor, maimed, blind and deaf." (Luke 14:13)

@user-yn5sk5ru5g Ай бұрын

Nobody claims everything came from nothing, except theists claiming god created everything from nothing

@Not_An_EV Ай бұрын

Honestly, whenever the thirst tries to play the "everything from nothing" card, I always ask them what God made the earth out of. The best answer I've received so far was "his word," to which I asked what material his word was made of... I never got an answer 😢

@steensuder115 Ай бұрын

Caller sounds like being on the trailing edge of some weed...

@ralfhaggstrom Ай бұрын

I`ve taken the REALISTIC route for about 65 years, I`m still an atheist ! ..................

@downshift4life Ай бұрын

The straight faces with which you are listening to this madman are concerning. Why are you treating this guy with a respect he didn't deserve?

@landsgevaer Ай бұрын

To allow the viewers to see the insanity produced by religion?

@noodlekeeper5150 Ай бұрын

He started off being polite and engaging in constructive discussion. The moment the caller started being aggressive Jeff shut him down.

@tedgrant2 29 күн бұрын

"There are some standing here which shall not taste death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" (Matthew 16:28)

@joyuschak1681 Ай бұрын

Dear Minister, if the Bible was plain and had only one interruption, there would not be so many different sects in Christianity. PS- most of them believe that Revelation (singular not plural) is not to be taken literally and would scoff at your views.

@joyuschak1681 Ай бұрын

Interpretation- lousy autocorrect

@Mr_Porter Ай бұрын

Jeff was on his a$$ the entire call.

@l-_-lShadowCat Ай бұрын

Jeff was an astonishing host: sharp, intelligent, assertive and ruthless.

@defenestratefalsehoods Ай бұрын

The Book of Revelations with flying Horsemen, a dragon, and a talking eagle????? WTH????? And he believe the dragon is real. Get this man a stright jacket.

@Not_An_EV Ай бұрын

Not a dragon... a beast 😂😂

@defenestratefalsehoods Ай бұрын

@@Not_An_EV bible says dragon. Do you not read what is there?

@Not_An_EV Ай бұрын

@@defenestratefalsehoods The caller then corrects this by saying "beast" when it is called a dragon. Did you not watch the video? Also who cares what it says in a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a game of telephone about some fairytales.

@defenestratefalsehoods Ай бұрын

@i_live_under_a_bridge3454 it dont matter because he said he believes in it. the bible calls it a red dragon. revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

@Not_An_EV Ай бұрын

@defenestratefalsehoods Revelatios 17:3 "Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns." From Wikipedia "Two of these beasts, namely the Sea Beast and the Scarlet Beast each have seven heads and ten horns. The dragon also has seven heads and ten horns" So I'm sorry which particular beast do you think I'm referring to? Because the bible lists many of them. Including the one I'm referring to. But even then who gives a fuck what the bible says. I was quoting the caller 🤦‍♂️

@ApatheticFish3667 Ай бұрын

I'm going to try to pray Dingleberry off the ACA. If he doesn't return, like Jesus didn't return, I'll believe.

@joshsheridan9511 Ай бұрын

Well two of the trolls seem to be absent from the last two videos so either your prayer worked, or the rumours that YT can ban your device are true.

@RiiDIi Ай бұрын

The Iliad was written around the 8th to 7th century BC. We know who wrote it and have a consistent source of manuscripts from Homer. There is one clear copy. At the very least, Linguistic and stylistic analyses indicate that the poems are coherent and sophisticated in their design, which supports the argument for a single author, or at least a final redactor who shaped the epic into its final form. We should think the word of God, the Bible, would have one historical and clear original that God could have preserved better than the Illiad, from which all other copies are based. You know, like the Illiad or the U.S. Constitution. We can even limit that expectation to the New Testament, written almost 1000 years later. Even then, we can't determine who wrote it or when they wrote it, and we know the writing styles are inconsistent even within books. If an all-powerful God cannot keep His documents as clear and safe and for at least as long as the Greeks, we are required to question that source of faith.

@michaelmcaree6296 Ай бұрын

This is the whole argument "You don't understand Christianity." "I do, but I don't believe it. Explain it to me better" "You just have to read the Bible." "I have read it. Explain it." "No, read it better." They are unable to explain it, so they just claim to have a better understanding, and you could get it to if you something something. And then the threat of hell at the end.