I was listening to this discussion; my father was a freedom fighter of Bangladesh liberation war in 1971. The brutality that we experienced during our liberation war was unimaginable. People could debate on the number but the fact is killing and atrocities committed by Pak Army and its collaborators. I am proud for our freedom fighters and the people who sacrificed a lot for giving birth to a nation. Thank you for organising such a wonderful discussion on it from the alternative (wish whole Pakistan could think like this mass) Pakistani lens. I believe Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy was sad for the massacre and genocide of 1971. Looking forward to having more conversation on it.

Yahiya Khan, Tikka khan, Niazi and Bhutto, this four man who was created Bangladesh. Bangladesh hasn't forgotten 1971🇧🇩

I'm from Bangladesh and I'm glad that you have honestly discussed this topic. We also want Pakistan to cope up from all the problems and shine as a nation

Heartening to see this discussion in Pakistan. More such discussion will lead to more reconciliation and fact finding and force Pakistani administration to correct it's course and more importantly do better treatment of their baloch brothers and address their basic concerns.

Great Analysis I was graduate student in Punjab University, I migrated to USA in 1974. Bengalis are hard working, more religious and more ecnomically strong in USA, Each and Every Army Member should held accountable for the crimes against humanity .

The first step of solving a problem is accepting we have a problem. I am from Pakistan and my heart goes out to all the innocent people who lost their lives in 1971. Happy Independence to Bangladesh. Very enlighten discussion

Respect and honour, such a fruitful discussion. Love for all intellectual from waziristan.

Farnood Alam comes out a well read, articulate, well informed gentleman. Well done Sir.

सच्चाई ये है कि पाकिस्तानी इतने मानसिक रूप से गरीब है डॉक्टर परवेज़ सर् को सुनने वाले भी 90% भारतीय ही है।

The best analytical program from Pakistan. We watch it from India.

Black hole should also invite 🇧🇩 intellectual in such type discussion.

Excellent analysis, God bless all of you

What happened between March 26 & December 16 was perhaps the greatest human tragedy after WW II . Dec 16 was deliverance & victory of that oppressed nation. As a student then, I was following the tragedy unfolding itself through Indian & international media right from the day The Sunday Times carried Anthony Mascerenhas" eye opener. The intelligentia was critical of Indira Gandhi for not doing enough to stop this. The images of emaciated refugees in camps amid dirt and squalor , of bodies strewn in fields & streets, some devoured by dogs, are still itched in my memory. What we need is a honest attempt to understand why & what of this tragedy. I compliment the organizers for conducting a meaningful & dispassionate dialogue. Can't imagine happening in any mainstream channel.

Respect for your truthfulness 🙏🙏🙏

I think majority of people who watching this video are indians and not the Pakistanis who should be watching this.

🎤 میں تو ہمیشہ پرویز ہود بھائی کے لیے یہ دعا کرتا ہوں کہ اللہ تعالی ان کی اور ان کے خاندان کی خاص حفاظت فرمائے آمین کیونکہ جس بے باکی، دلیری اور دھڑلے سے یہ شخص بات کرتے ہیں وہ طاقتور طبقوں کو عام طور پر ہضم نہیں ہوتی۔ دعاگو 🇵🇰جرمنی سے پاکستانی مزدور 🇩🇪

Thanks for giving people awareness about the facts which could never been on main stream media.

Terrific discussion. Inherently honest. My worry is if this honesty spreads to length and breadth of the country, will Pakistan survive, as we know it today. If it doesn't spread, more pains will surely set in. A classic catch 22 situation!!!

The snakes🐍🐍🐍 which Pakistan wanted to bite Hindustan.. is biting it's owner now....

On Christmas Eve, I finished 3 videos on this channel. I'm serious when I say I'm making a mental note of the things these people have been discussing here and will hope to implement those in my homeland, India, if I ever get a chance. Good to see this critical thinking side of Pakistan. And Parvez sir ka toh bohot purana fan hun main, he doesn't mince his words in calling spade a spade.

Soul searching debate. Farnood aalim and Mr Hoodhbhoy is worthy praising for their efforts to create awareness for creating critical thinking.

Appreciate the honesty by all. My warm regards to all. Keep it up.

Why this channel is not getting millions of views i can't understand... Pervez ji is at this point of time most renowned pakistani scientist.. Pakistan have to learn to know who it's actual heroes are..

Heart touching with reality accepted . Great thinkers pannel. I likes this happy open minded.truth is truth. Love you.

Please provide closed captions in English. This platform (The BlackHole) is too important to be kept limited to Urdu.

What a great moderator, kept the topic going in the right direction, with excellent breakdown of the topic, guided the speakers but mostly kept out. Kudos to him.

Very good told.

We are sorry Bangladesh if you are reading this… long lost brother 😢

Nice and true analysis by intellectuals

All respect from India, to Dr Parvez HoodBhai

Good Discussion -love from Hindu & make Pakistan into a secular country.

جب پاکستان کی “خرابی” کی تاریخ لکھی جاۓ گی تو جماعت اسلامی اور نواۓوقت کا نام بہت نمایاں ہو گا۔

Pakistan aazad nhi hua tha sir, pakistan 1947 se pehale tha hi nhi. Pakistan 1947 me bna tha.

Thank you!

Yes , bohot Pakistani Khush hain k Bangladesh ham say alag ho gaya , Kam az Kam wo to taraqqi kar raha hay

Contrary to this, urdu is the second official language in UP.

Kashmiri boy khud keh raha hai fir bhi Hoodbhoy keh raha hai Nafarat nahi hai. Gajab!

I agree with the guy from Kashmir. 🎉

Like India Pakistan should encourage people to speak and promote their regional languages like Punjabi,saraiki,Sindhi,Pushto and Balouchi.

Punjabi control and domination of Pakistan is a major Problem for Non-Punjabis people.

Creation of Pakistan and Bangladesh are not same because Pakistan was created on the Base of perception that is Muslim can't live in India as equal citizens with equal rights but Bangladesh was created on the Base of reality and fact that means no equal rights exist for bengali people despite of majority population in a country . people of East Bengal paid high price from 1947 to 1971, people of East Bengal was treated as burden of Pakistan. after 75 years Pakistan still now a garrison state and self-destructive state and other side Bangladesh growing very fast and progressive and welfare state.

I neared General Bazwa’s farewell speech with a particular reference to Bangladesh. If on behalf of Pakistani Army he would have extended an apology to Bengali population, he would have gone in history as a hero. Contrary to that he blamed the civilian leaders for the breakup of Pakistan knowing that it was Pakistan’s army responsible for the breakup.

I think, officially The Black Hole must set up a whatsapp group so that across the subcontinent/ world , a forum is created and constant connection can be created.

Let’s admit it punjabis believe they’re the most patriotic most elite race in Pakistan 😂

Farnood Alam..... best analysis of 1971 history....

A punjabi who will stare at his own child for speaking in punjabi......how will he understand the love bengal had for its mother tongue.

Very informative season..hum tab he taraqi karskty ha jub history ku truth k base py bayan Kary. Baqi their must b some discussion about the right and current status of Gilgit baltistan..

❤Sakute from India ❤

The debate was very interesting 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

Such discussions should be held much more frequent to educate the public.

Loads & loads of love for this channel !!! 🧡❤️💛

Nice

1400 years history is to be credited with all these happening s, And that is not said at all, means no use discussing, same things will be repeated.

chhote ilaqe wala banda was the best in this discussion. nobody could answer him,

They never address the main problem is the religion of Islam.

I don't think that Pakistanis will admit and learn positively from their mistakes but still such critical discussion should go on. Aisi baate sunne me kadvi jaroor lagti hai. pr kuch dwaiya kadvi hi hoti hai.

Dr Hoodbhai., in his explanation of the fuse that was lit in then East Pakistan(because of a number of reasons) despite the Bengali activism for the creation of Pakistan forgot to mention another important fact, the 1906 convention in Dacca arranged by the Nawab Salimullah of Dacca which resulted in the creation of the All India Muslim League, later to be known as the Muslim League.

Those who are greedy Those who kill Shall regret on the Day of judgement 1:41:57

Radical rethinking is needed. It’s imperative.

If we can care and love a dog, without knowing it's language, then why we cannot live with love and responsibly with other " language speaking" people, as pakistani did in bangla desh.

Abid mir is also to be praised for moderating this debate.

India has given constitutional status to 22 local languages in the constitution.

Muslin League was established in Dhaka in 1906 Pakistan ki azadi ke liye buniadi aham kirdar Bangalion ada kiya thaa. 1857 Mae British key khilaf azadi ki tehreek kay liye hathiar uthaya thaa Bangalion ne. British deprived Bengali peoples from all govt service.Bengal peoples were not disqualified .

سانخہ کیسے اور کس کے لیے؟ چھپن فیصد عوام جن کے حقوق سلب ہو رہے تھے ان میں بیداری آئی اور انھوں سے آزادی حاصل کی اور اب وہ بہتر زندگی گزار رہے ہیں یہ سانحہ نہیں جشن ہے

16 Dec is a Victory day of Bangladesh, it's not a independence day of Bangladesh. So happy victory day Bangladesh

Thank you for Quating KARACHI

یہ داغ داغ اجالا یہ شب گزیدہ سحر وہ انتظار تھا جس کا یہ وہ سحر تو نہیں یہ وہ سحر تو نہیں جس کی آرزو لے کر چلے تھے یار کہ مل جائے گی کہیں نہ کہیں فلک کے دشت میں تاروں کی آخری منزل کہیں تو ہوگا شب سست موج کا ساحل کہیں تو جا کے رکے گا سفینۂ غم دل جواں لہو کی پر اسرار شاہراہوں سے چلے جو یار تو دامن پہ کتنے ہاتھ پڑے دیار حسن کی بے صبر خواب گاہوں سے پکارتی رہیں باہیں بدن بلاتے رہے بہت عزیز تھی لیکن رخ سحر کی لگن بہت قریں تھا حسینان نور کا دامن سبک سبک تھی تمنا دبی دبی تھی تھکن سنا ہے ہو بھی چکا ہے فراق ظلمت و نور سنا ہے ہو بھی چکا ہے وصال منزل و گام بدل چکا ہے بہت اہل درد کا دستور نشاط وصل حلال و عذاب ہجر حرام جگر کی آگ نظر کی امنگ دل کی جلن کسی پہ چارۂ ہجراں کا کچھ اثر ہی نہیں کہاں سے آئی نگار صبا کدھر کو گئی ابھی چراغ سر رہ کو کچھ خبر ہی نہیں ابھی گرانیٔ شب میں کمی نہیں آئی نجات دیدہ و دل کی گھڑی نہیں آئی چلے چلو کہ وہ منزل ابھی نہیں آئی

😭😭😭😭I am from Bangladesh 🇧🇩

Bangladesh was geographically and historically separate country from present Pakistan. Distance from west pakistan was more than 1600 KM.Everything was separate exept religion Islam. In middle east many arab muslim countries are living separately.

मे भारतीय मुस्लिम हु मेरे लिए भी 1947/एक सानेहा था जेसे आप के लिए 1971/ का सानेहा था

What Palestine has to do with Pakistani : logically nothing but it's umma and emotional they are Muslims and we Muslims. But what about Ugurs Muslims? And west Sahara Muslims who are occupied by Morocco? What about Kurds, stateless people? Pakistani.. blank.. we don't know anything about it. These are not issue of importance.. blah blah.. Hippocrates!

La ilah il Allah Dr Parvez Hoodbhoy Rasulallah

1:13:42 why don't he answer??

Excellent

In east pakistan there was no desert and hill like West Pakistan.

Just subscribed. So far as we know anything that goes into a Black Hole doesn’t come out, in fact nothing comes out in reality. I hope this platform is not like that.

i think best action for pakistan would be to separate religion and polity. However unfortunately this factor is never acknowledged in pakistan . imran khan is getting popular because he promises to bring ' riyasat e madina '

Yas

The speakers are revealing the truth as honestly as possible. However, the moderator 's voice is too low

Pakistanis know their fault..who is responsible ? What are the remedies..But they can't name the culprit..bcoz they don't have freedom of speech.

Even Dr Hoodbhoy is not speaking the ‘truth’ when he contradicted the guy who spoke about PoK and the hatred.

East Bengal separated in 1905 for muslim peoples.

The, lady has asked a very intellegent and smart question ,why Not Bangladesh. Sab chup ho gaye. 😁😁😁😁😁

Facts are many but the truth is one Bangladesh hasn't forgotten 1971.🙏😭🇧🇩

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Creation of Pakistan satisfied only the self interest of Britain🇬🇧 and some muslims of the erstwhile India🇮🇳, for which a subcontinent was divided and millions lost lives and livelihood. Very unfortunate! Now that years passed by and humanity learned lessons of religious follies, we're capable to turn around the destiny of our people. Accepting this fact in principle leads to success half way. Let our talks and thoughts encourage this process so that the day is not far we see the old great Indian boundaries are reestablished and our common history of over 7,000 years is again celebrated.

اور سبق کس کے لیے ؟ جنھوں نے یہ سب کیا اور جو ملوث تھے کیا ان کی زندگی میں کوئی فرق پڑا؟ پاکستان مزید چار حصوں میں بھی تقسیم ہو جائے پھر بھی ڈی ایچ اے کی رفتار میں کوئی کمی نہیں آے گی

Love U all

Thou shalt not covet Thou shalt not kill ❤ 1:41:57

kuch to hai pakistan me jinhe suna ja skta hai

जिन्नाह ने महजब के नाम पर पाकिस्तान बनाकर बहुत बड़ी गलती कर दिया। इसमें सोचने वाली बात ये है के वो खुद महजबी नही थे। और वो अंग्रेजी में ही तकरीर करते थे। उर्दू शायद नही जानते होंगे। पाकिस्तान के लोगों को तब भी जानकारी नही थी और अभी भीं हालथ वही है।

مسلمانوں نے ہندوں سے جدائ لی اور پھرمسلمانوں نے مسلمانوںسے جدائ لی ۔

The fall of Dhaka was due to the Army's role in politics.

At the present time ALL the Pakistanis need to come together as a matter of collective survival. Turkey was at the same place where Pakistan is today. What happened there wish doesn’t happen in Pakistan as it would be far more destructive and bloody. Just for one reason unlike Turkey we are not monolithic!

It seems history of 1971 is repeating here in Pakistan and we all know who were behind all bloodshed in Bangal and now again in pakistan.

I want to visit The Black Hole... Address plz

Musla kab tareekh se seekhta ha, zan, zarr, zameen bus ye hi chahyey

Ameen geo 😓😱😠😭☝️🤲🙏✌️💯💪🌹💖❤️🌹👍

Janab Bangal main asmat dari karney kee maafi kaisey mangain, aaj tak to madiney main al umaiya nay jo asmat dari kee thee aaj tak uskee maafi bhi naheen mangee gaee.

India ❤️ 🇮🇳🇮🇳