History Of Human Sacrifice

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In this podcast, Abhijit Iyer Mitra speaks with Kushal about the history of human sacrifice. The podcast discusses various cultures that have practiced it and the evolutionary and anthropological reasons for the same.
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:35 - Hindu Inferiority Complex
00:04:17 - The old World
00:08:11 - The thought of religion
00:11:15 - The Start of Human Sacrifice
00:19:50 - Archlelogical and Literally Evidence
00:46:30 - The New World
01:05:00 - Sati
01:12:20 - QnA

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@mahadevsuresh5 Жыл бұрын

Abhijit is at his best when he is not looking at comments. Very enriching, can't believe I'm referring to an episode on human sacrifice.

@barcazee8798 5 ай бұрын

lol i pretty much agree he goes bonkers when he reads the comments

@aniketkandge2740 Жыл бұрын

Abhijit has soo many layers to his personality. Multiverse of Mitra ✌🏼✌🏼

@musicworship4520 Жыл бұрын

people like you make me puke

@aniketkandge2740 Жыл бұрын

@@musicworship4520 What exactly has made you pukish? The fact that these two spoke on a topic lesser known to common folks or the fact that I appreciate the fact they know about human civilization and evlution in so much detail. Im a little confused as to what made you pukish. Please elaborate

@soumyaranjandash5442 5 ай бұрын

And laughs unnecessarily to look ridiculously cute and cool.

@thunderbeast9831 4 ай бұрын

He is like an onion. Layers under layers

@debabratagon7289 Жыл бұрын

The Sri Venkateshwar Stotram that was sung by Abhijeet Iyer Mitra was composed by Prathivadhi Bhayankaram Annangaracharya,Who was probably an Iyenger.

@chandanamondal5771 3 ай бұрын

🙏❤️🙏

@ni2says Жыл бұрын

Loved this discussion. Love The Carvaka Podcast to bring such diverse topics and discussions. It's really eye opening. Keep up the great work.

@prakyathkumar8618 Жыл бұрын

it is sad that only 8,600 people viewed in the first15 hours, like if the podcast was done by two foreigners then BAM more than a 1,00,000 views by now

@poodamakku Жыл бұрын

Abjith!! That venkatesha stotram is like wow I didn't know you know this much of suprabatham

@mkishore3920 Жыл бұрын

That is not suprabhatam.. Suprabhaatam starts with Kausalya Supraja Rama line in't it? It is Venkateswara stotram..

@ualaw77 Жыл бұрын

This was great at every level. Your sense of humor helped to brighten the discussion of a dark and disturbing topic. I also appreciated your willingness to present different interpretations of the historical evidence, to contradict one another, and to acknowledge the questions that remain unanswered. I even enjoyed the code-switching, which forced me to listen for possible English words and cognates and to note vocal inflection--something that usually happens unconsciously if at all. Most media content I've consumed from India has been extremely superficial, prone to conspiracy theories and misinformation, and more interested in flattering Indian culture than in telling the truth. Even the comment sections have seemed to me to be filled with bots pushing disinformation from state actors and thinly veiled advertising for the media source or for dubious investment advisors, for instance. In contrast, you and your audience are AUTHENTIC. I think that is really important in this era of "fake news" and a general epistemological crisis. So thank you for that!

@pink_tentakles9333 Жыл бұрын

Abhijit shall talk about what he wants to talk about 👐

@yami6499 Жыл бұрын

this was a really very informative session...really loved it. Also ABhijit's closing remarks..I totally agree...we Indians need to stop being ap[ologetic or defensive all the time and start being factual. We are an exceptional ancient civilization.

@vagishnaganur5663 Жыл бұрын

Very good conclusion remarks by Abhijit, Thanks Kushal for your thought provoking podcasts

@priyanka1154 Жыл бұрын

Strange that aztechs used "human cries" which is "sound" to attract rains but here in India we have specific ragas for that like Raag Malhar.

@rush666666 Жыл бұрын

Geometry of energy created by uttering specific sound in certain pattern

@yami6499 Жыл бұрын

True also there are lot of similarity in religion and rituals of ancient Greeks/Romans and ancient India...which kind of indicates thast ancient cultures were greatly influenced by each other......mainly Greco-Roman and Indian...also there are similarities with other remote civilizations..which shows 1.Human history is much older than what mainstream historians think 2.Ancient world was much more inter-connected than what we think

@ashuexcel 10 ай бұрын

In my area we do animal sacrifice for rains...i dont know why but its does rain 90% times the day its done.. I asked a person who was my headmaster as well as someone who experienced mystic experiences...he said it rains because the temple is polluted by the sacrifice and the deity causes rain to purify the area...the rain so got is limited is to a few kms only...

@kaumudibisht5333 10 ай бұрын

@@ashuexcelwhere are you from..?

@ManikandtanCK Жыл бұрын

Takeaway: 1. societies act similar irrespective of race or time given the same socio-scientific environment. 2. Evidence or lack of there of of sacrifices, or anything else for that matter, should not make us feel inferior or superior as we (humans) all are the same and would act the same given the situation.

@Kalyanii Жыл бұрын

This was a great podcast. I'm giving a standing ovation, too bad you can't see.

@aniveshkumarsingh5109 Жыл бұрын

Kushal and abhijeet always gives a new dimension to learn about history.

@gouravkhandelwal9752 Жыл бұрын

One of the best from abhijit!! Thoroughly enjoyed it and full of new insights for me to think about!!

@jyotiradityachoudhury2241 Жыл бұрын

I've witnessed the watermelon sacrifice thing. In odisha during durga puja and Kali puja watermelon sacrifice is done as the govt has banned animal sacrifice. But still there are few places fish is sacrificed and fish curry is made out of it as bhog which the people eat afterwards

@kasper8666 Жыл бұрын

Actually the human who were sacrificed were assassins and attackers who came to destroy the tribe or kill people of the tribe.

@thehawkseye3412 Жыл бұрын

@@kasper8666 That seems to fit the torture sacrifice instrument Abhijeet mentioned from Odissa or around. That sounded like one psycho king choosing that for punishment not mere sacrifice.

@siddarth3955 Жыл бұрын

@@kasper8666 actually true. Most human sacrifices in India was mostly just capital punishment to criminals...

@Vishakha_B897 Жыл бұрын

This is my favourite channel. 👍👍👍

@MrAbhirhode Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved it. Go Meta mitra.

@Vishakha_B897 Жыл бұрын

I've gained so much knowledge from listening to AIM.

@Bronsonnarrator 6 ай бұрын

These things are the best things that came out of this channel. Keep on doing this more please.

@abhisheksanyal4930 Жыл бұрын

Loved this! Please do more of such podcasts

@jaycordray3642 Жыл бұрын

This is a topic that, in studying ancient civilizations, you run into, and it's dishonest to not ask why. However, I too am wary of my search history, so, your nervous laughter at the start was very relatable. Thank you, gentlemen.

@harryfallius7470 9 ай бұрын

This is a fascinating channel. I'm so happy that I found it. It's the best that the KZfaq algorithm can do or has done for me, at least lately.

@Ranjan_Mohanty Жыл бұрын

One of the best videos I have ever watched. 👍🏽

@kushagra0005 Жыл бұрын

My name is Kushagra and I’m traumatised for life (refer 25:53)

@haardshah2443 Жыл бұрын

Belive me this came up in my notifications when I was reading a Wikipedia article on child infanticide across different cultures of the world.

@kevinshenoy Жыл бұрын

Had no idea on how human sacrifice kept on going and well it's evolution/devolution throughout the world. Tnx for this discussion 🙏

@BrutalHellfire Жыл бұрын

Kush is not Durva grass. Kush is tall grass. Durva is small grass. Kush: Desmostachya bipinnata Durva: Cynodon dactylon

@chandrachauhan4068 6 ай бұрын

What a fantastic podcast! 👏

@krishnajar Жыл бұрын

Amazing topic! No body brings up these topics as charvaka podcast does with AIM

@sonups8483 Жыл бұрын

it was a wonderful session thank u

@sahilrangra5278 Жыл бұрын

You should do some podcasts on: Mauryan Empire Kushan Empire Gupta Empire Kashmir's History Caste and Varna system Buddha and Mahavira Waves of Invasions in India

@vaibhavnarula7824 8 ай бұрын

Brilliant brilliant conversation guys.... 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 From a spiritual perspective one can give more precize answers to a lot of your questions but all the answers have an undertone of occult and tantric way of seeing and understanding the reality.

@Godfearing-Atheist Жыл бұрын

Thank you kushal for this ❤️, Keeping the flow of Abhijit is the most important part AND to challenge him wherever required is an Art you have perfected.

@vaishnoo1168 Жыл бұрын

Great discussion. Only aim touches on topics like this

@dhaval1489 Жыл бұрын

in any Pooja there is either a requirement of Gow Dhan (Giving a Cow away in Charity) or at-least presence of Cow in the hall, Panditji will take small token amount as fulfill of Gow Dhan requirement and just keep a toy cow for fulfillment of second requirement.

@bhaskartripathi8758 Жыл бұрын

No, durbha grass is not the same as kusha grass. There is a specific mention in Mahabharata where, I think Rishi Lomaharsha, mentions in a story very specifically that someone did a yagya on burbha grass which is not the kusha grass. He said exactly that.

@RajeshKumar-fy9nl Жыл бұрын

Yes ,Durbha grass botanical name is Cyonodon dactylon and Kusha grass is Desmostachya bipinnata

@devvratmishra9000 Жыл бұрын

Oh my ishwar , how did I miss that, itna use hota hai humare yahan puja mein

@punyashloka4946 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting discussion 👍. And yes we hindus need to get out of this defensive mindset all the time.

@fahimahmed-lg9sh Жыл бұрын

Hindus are defensive is the most bizarre thing, in the history no one has caused more corruption then pegans

@punyashloka4946 Жыл бұрын

@@fahimahmed-lg9sh talk about present not past today no one is creating more problems in the world other than Islamic terrorism and christian imperialism.

@bhabanism Жыл бұрын

was waiting for this vid for a long time, clicking like before watching!

@pranavkale9372 18 күн бұрын

great closing statement about not being apologetic and defensive by Abhijit!

@madhukarkumar7837 9 ай бұрын

Very informative.. Thank you anchor jee and abhijit sir.. 🤟..

@prathit7541 Жыл бұрын

Thanks guys!!

@crsuthar Жыл бұрын

There was a person named Raja Ram Meghwal who was sacrificed when building the Mehrangarh fort. There is a nameplate carved in the fort you can see when you visit.

@tanishasingh823 9 ай бұрын

Thank you sir for this podcast

@casperjoshi Жыл бұрын

In Bihar & eastern UP as also in Uttarakhand there are animal sacrifices during Navratri on the 8th or 9th day.

@flashgordon9640 Жыл бұрын

by the way burning of heretics by Christian Church is also religious human sacrifice which extended well upto Seventeenth Century

@sourabhs7443 Жыл бұрын

Insightful talk!

@rush666666 Жыл бұрын

Study about tantra. Maybe you will find reason for giving sacrifice. A energy is given in bargain to attain certain energy. A refined tantra energy sacrifice would be self energy sacrifice. ( Prana pratishtha of temple idols) a crude sacrifice would be animal energy sacrifice, primitive tantra sacrifice would be human energy sacrifice. A simple rudimentary example. Without sacrificing the fruit (energy) we won't have energy for ourself. So to open an domestic of energy, we may need a extra energy to crack the door open. So if you don't want to sacrifice your energy, you will substitute it with something close to you. i.e. human in primitive way, a animal or plant based life in crudest way, self energy in refined way. Another example for car lover AIM without sacrificing oil which is burnt at the atler of piston inside the shaft no enery can be produced to move the vehicle. So in my limited knowledge. Think in terms of energy while you look at sacrifice to attain something from someone divine. Without the sacrifice of heat energy of sun or fuel, water won't transform into vapour. Without the sacrifice of energy by water vapour ,won't trun into cloud and henceforth

@royandrews4980 Жыл бұрын

Abhijit here are two short videos it will only about 15-20 minutes The Equine Digestive System Dr. Ross Teitzel and Ruminant Digestion - Amy Gerhardt. (available on you tube)

@nakulgote Жыл бұрын

Damn, I knew Ashwamedh was a horse sacrifice, but this 2 queens info was mind blasting.

@NoRiceToEat Жыл бұрын

Remember there is no archaeological evidence for that.

@prynsh_ 10 ай бұрын

Do you know whole procedure of ashwamedha ?? There is a book "क्या बालू की भीत पर खड़ा है हिंदु धर्म?" In which it is described from every Hindu religious books along with many other topics...

@msaw504 6 ай бұрын

Ashwamedh is not about horse sacrifice. Visit Aryavart Regenerator channel for more info on the topic.

@mauryanempire7503 4 ай бұрын

@@NoRiceToEat😂😂😂 but there is plenty of text like Vedas which refers it

@praz7 Жыл бұрын

All cultures had human sacrifices in their culture at one point, they eventually got rid of it through discarding the culture or making reforms.

@MohitKumar-jf8lz 4 ай бұрын

Becoming monotheistic from polytheistic. That's the evolution of religion.

@TJ-wo1xt Жыл бұрын

what a gr8 session.

@smoky3302 Жыл бұрын

If the ashwamedh Yagya required two wife . Than how Rama is supposed to perform ashwamedh Yagya even if he didn't kick Sita out and if she remain by his side . He didn't had two wives so even with sita he was disqualified. Do the traditions change when the writers of Ramayana conceptualized the story .

@MB-it6bp Жыл бұрын

Most probably the rituals might change but we don't know for sure btw good point.

@bhaskartripathi8758 Жыл бұрын

Good point

@udayanbadola7077 Жыл бұрын

I thought the same question... Maybe exceptions were there

@sagarm4983 Жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed. For instance, 58th chapter of Vayu Purana clearly describes how Vedic corpus evolved into different versions which followed different practices.

@gagadonim3354 10 ай бұрын

Whole uttarakhand is fabricated

@samveerforever3573 2 ай бұрын

In Gujarat after every NavChandi Havan , symbolic Ash Gorud sacrifice is made

@shreyprajapati7723 Жыл бұрын

Loved the video ❤️

@abcd32174 Жыл бұрын

How do we know whether it was human sacrifice or site of capital punishment?

@kentalwar7615 Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@AyushChaturvedy Жыл бұрын

Just my hypothesis. Patal lok essentially meant the Americas in our ancient texts. N the kind of sacrificial ritual of roasting the skin off is something that has crept in essentially all the religious textbook descriptions of hell. I mean is there some sort of link in all this?

@rishikeshvashishtha7347 Жыл бұрын

Bro, now you have said it. I can make very strong connections. Very good hypothesis

@nagraj9598 Жыл бұрын

Matlab kucch bhi .

@rush666666 Жыл бұрын

I don't think so.. patal mean under the current plane of existence

@Virtusoo Жыл бұрын

Nevertheless that was a good thought to entertain.

@abhashukla2281 Жыл бұрын

We need to recite auspicious things before a discussion on human sacrifice, seriously. Anyways I was just commenting for the algorithm.

@udayanbadola7077 Жыл бұрын

It used to happen in past... We can't cancel them...🙂

@gocoronag1511 Жыл бұрын

Very intresting

@unibassmusic Жыл бұрын

Good discussion. It took me heck lot of time to get my head around to the fact that not less than 500 years back Assyrian and Babylonians were impaling people l. One of the worst form of torture / slow death one could ever think of.

@sujith6289 Жыл бұрын

Kushal/Abhijit, I have a doubt, I have heard that to participate in any yaga one should be in grihasthashram and yaga yajaman or the one who is initiating yaga should do along with his spouse. And Rama did Aawa medha yaga but Sitama was not with him by that time. I also have heard the same explanation of this yaga, which is so similar to what Abhijit said. Can you clarify two things? 1) Without spouse at his side, how Rama even started the yaga and 2) Which text describes the mentioned yaga?

@SachinDolta Жыл бұрын

This was good AIM at his best

@tomcat4321 Жыл бұрын

Can Abhijit and Kushal discuss about the Shraman and Bhraman cults in India? Also how does Vedic religion differs from Hinduism and it’s countless gods?

@parthsharma9261 Жыл бұрын

hinduism is the assimilation of all the cultures present in akhand bharat which are non abrahmic , vedas dont have countless gods read the rigveda

@devvratmishra9000 Жыл бұрын

Vedic religion doesn't include puja it involves mantra recitations , havans , yagnas where certain animal and at times human sacrifice took place which later became symbolic/metaphorical because people became more ahimsa leaning , this was also the time when already existing shramanic cults of Jainism and Buddhism gained popularity. Puja the very word and concept is non vedic in origin. Puranas accomodate other non vedic cults like shaktism as well. Vedic religion worships nature , more like what it is . Puranas anthropomorphise these deities that represents forces of nature or a god depicting a special attribute. For example Devi Laxmi is potrayed as a human surrounded by gold wheras in vedic religion , vayu need not be represented as a strong human but is worshipped more or less as the way we observe air. Vedic religion starts off as karma kaand and later becomes philosophical. Puranic hinduism is a khichdi of karma kaand , philosophy , legends ( Kathas, at times non vedic ) , worshipping ( puja) ,

@tomcat4321 Жыл бұрын

@@devvratmishra9000 thanks.

@peachinpeace9300 Жыл бұрын

@@devvratmishra9000 thanks

@hemantkumarrai883 Жыл бұрын

I loved this

@dharmeshparikh7837 9 ай бұрын

Interesting podcast.

@SK-om6tt Жыл бұрын

awsum podcast!!

@death_star731 Жыл бұрын

Being from uttrakhand (kumaun) it want say it out loud abhijeet in certain temples of hills ,sacrifice of goats and buffalo (male) too is an integral thing and it's a normal thing up here. Even a temple in Devidhura used to do human sacrifice on raksha bandhan every time . Read about BAGWAL MELA of devidhura.

@testuser8600 Жыл бұрын

Isn't there an economic/self serving rational for retainer sacrifice as well? This protects the current "king" as retainers will have incentive to protect the king at any costs. This removes the threat to the next leader from old retainers and they would want to install their loyalists as well.

@macavelli8905 8 ай бұрын

Good conversation

@shailendrachauhan592 Жыл бұрын

Eye 👁️ opener

@rush666666 Жыл бұрын

Only people attaining samadhi were burried. Even recently a Rishi was burried in the ashram with his belonging.. it was shown on TV

@CockySuSMounted Жыл бұрын

Good analysis

@RajeshKumar-fy9nl Жыл бұрын

One question Sir, what is link between Human sacrifice and cannibalism? I read somewhere that Aztecs cannibalised to supplement protein deficiency in prevalent at that time in Mexico. Further Eskimos indulged indirectly in human sacrifice through forced suicide , due to food shortages. Is it true?

@Iyervval Жыл бұрын

The protein supplement theory has been comprehensively busted. Forced suicide isn’t really sacrifice

@RajeshKumar-fy9nl Жыл бұрын

@@Iyervval Thanks sir

@saranshparimoo4245 Жыл бұрын

What was the mantra that AIM recite during the beginning.

@insearchof9090 Жыл бұрын

It was really needed. Becouse once you talk with western people, first thing they will come up with is Sati; becouse they think that west helped East correct it's mistake and hence they are superior and thereby their rule in the east was a project of Progress and civilisation of human kind... the white man's burden. After this podcasts, now i am equipped with logic and arrows which you didn't even tell becouse i am a good listener and i can read between lines.

@royandrews4980 Жыл бұрын

You stated " Before the Horse regurgitates the Grass" this is not possible as a horse is a mono-gastric (Like a pig ) only Ruminants like ike Cows Buffalos goats seep and deer regurgitate as they have rumen where the grass is stored after gathered by grazing then when they lie down they regurgitate the grass and chew the cud and send it to the true stomach , though it is a grazer The horse has no rumen So you mean some other process than regurgitation.

@devanshparmar3666 Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@williamfredericton6910 Жыл бұрын

AIM is funny. "Gerk belly teppe"🤣🤣🤣.

@bhoomikarwa3067 Жыл бұрын

In Rajasthan, among kshatriya community sacrifice of goat during navratri is also prevalant.

@krushnaji4940 Жыл бұрын

Where is that video about cmips religion?

@Alduizard Жыл бұрын

1:20:12 Moreover, what is the fundamental problematic thing with human sacrifices? That its torturing/killing a human for attainment of higher good/virtue, collectively or even individually, or that its an act of virtue/bravado. The industrial scale othering and genocide that has happened under christianity and islam for the same higher collective good(again revered as an act of virtue/righteousness, fighting the infidels), infact universalised here making it even more dangerous and widespread, easily makes up for the entire history of human sacrifices by ALL the other sects, and then some. No one comes close to them in terms of the death/torture/suffering caused.

@Bhavik630 2 ай бұрын

Doesnt matter whether a practice is rare or not.. what matters is whether theological evidence of that practice being performed is present in the scriptures of that particular religion or not..

@Vinaykumar-ix1cj Жыл бұрын

💜💗💕 Insaan ka bharta

@impostor6348 Жыл бұрын

Damn i never thought this way

@digantkulkarni1605 Жыл бұрын

At 25:33 AIM says that horse was than roasted with ghee. But I remember sometime back AIM said that before islamic invasion we never used/mixed/cooked with meat with dairy products. Than was this roasting exclusive for this ritual...or AIM is contradicting himself? #CuriouslyAsking

@siddarth3955 Жыл бұрын

Abstract barter thinking of the future can very well have arrived with discovery of agriculture

@gagadonim3354 10 ай бұрын

All I am thinking is about the movie MIDSOMMER

@hemantkumarrai883 Жыл бұрын

Simply.... 😱

@aakashboom Жыл бұрын

Lot of human sacrifice happened in assam during sutiya kingdom and other places

@BagishAstro 9 ай бұрын

In astrology, iron represents Saturn and Saturn represents democracy, and that's why Saturn is enemy to sun which represents monarchy and sun represents copper

@rochellehendawitharana6471 Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU BOTH...it was interesting❤👍

@akapriyanshusinghdev Жыл бұрын

Thumbnail 💥

@devanshtiwari2067 Жыл бұрын

KUSHALBHAI PLEASE DO A UFC 280 REVIEW *ISLAM MAKHACHEV VS CHARLES OLIVIERA*

@pshah7979 Жыл бұрын

On the last day of a Navchandi Havan, the priest will ask the yajman to split a watermelon. Apparently you aren't supposed to split the watermelon.

@TheJayJayYoung 7 ай бұрын

The first China civilizations with writing system the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC to 1045 BC) also during the period of Bronze Age, there are evidence of human sacrifices. In fact, human sacrifices were kept for the purpose of sacrificial rituals. The source for sacrificial humans are from mainly from vassal state, prisoners of war, war slaves and purchased slaves. It was until Qing Dynasty, human sacrificial rituals ended. Apparently since late Zhou Dynasty, human sacrificial slowly ended, human sacrificial were replaced by figurines as seen in Qin Dynasty, but was later picked up by the Ming Dynasty, where childless concubines were hanged and praised for their loyalties.

@samveerforever3573 2 ай бұрын

Wow

@krishnapatel3583 9 ай бұрын

🙏

@ofAwxen Жыл бұрын

1:02:05 You just described the boomer generation pretty accurately..

@riteshsinghchoudhary115 Жыл бұрын

Before eating we give food to Agni. Similarly when we want to eat meat during festivity, we offer it to god first to make them happy. There can be multiple different reasons for human and animal sacrifices.