Vatican leak! ALL Diocesan Traditional Latin Masses to be banned for all clergy Priests and Bishops.

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@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

Note. The ecclesia Dei communities will be untouched.. so no change to Icksp fssp etc… and the Pope is about to approve a new bishop for sspx .. so watch this space !!

@MatthewThomas-ye1ei 3 күн бұрын

That last bit, new bishop for SSPX? That is huge if true! I live near NYC and go to the TLM there. There is only a Diocesan TLM that I Can get to. But if the pope approves a bishop for SSPX that will give me certainty that I can go to SSPX instead and not feel bad about it.

@evelynmom2902 3 күн бұрын

Is there a list of ecclesia Dei communities? I’m wondering if the premonstratensian order will be affected by it.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

@@user-ot5mi1uc1d well he has to ordain according to canon law, properly formed men. So no he can’t ordain who he likes

@donaldc3884 3 күн бұрын

The whole reason Abp Lefevre ordained bishops is because the he didnt approve of who the vatican was pushing on him. If this Vatican/Usurper grants the SSPX a bishop you can be assured its a plant meant to destroy the SSPX. Sorry but i can not see any good coming from this Vatican right now. Its all power and control.

@Bryanisright33 3 күн бұрын

Can't have any "schism", so total top-down control over even the SSPX bishop and whom they appoint, which buries the myth that Vatican II empowered bishops to be true successors of the apostles, not just middle-managers for the Vatican.

@SkogKniv 3 күн бұрын

The latin mass: Being the only thing growing in the Church. Francis: Squash it.

@giovanniserafino1731 3 күн бұрын

In many places before the Council, including Ireland and Irish American communities, Latin Mass was rushed and mumbled by the priests, while the people prayed the rosary not understanding what was taking place at the Altar. The pastoral approach was., “ Get them in and get them as fast as you can!” Traditional Latin Masses are not celebrated like that today. Most Latin Masses are sung and prayed by young priests with great devotion with the full participation of the standing room only congregations where the average age is around 35. Most Latin Mass Catholics have a better understanding of the Mass and sacraments than some priests. Fifty years of Novus Ordo Masses have produced empty churches, empty seminaries, empty convents, and ignorant Catholics who know nothing about the Catholic religion. If anything should be canceled, it should be Novus Ordo Masses not TLM.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

Indeed and it’s because of Vatican II that even the TLM was reformed. Anyone celebrating the TLM does it properly and not rushed saying the Latin correctly and the congregation is catechised. All the TLM communities are catechised

@blindabraxas 3 күн бұрын

The more that the faithful are catechised, the more the faithful will realize what has been done, and what some are trying to do. It seems contrary to reason to enforce unity by suppression, and this will leak out the edges until nothing is left but a mess all over.

@slowroastedmarshmallow9226 3 күн бұрын

@@thecatholicman The ONE good thing that came out of V 2....

@Jake4Truth 2 күн бұрын

Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi: The 2019 Pew survey was preceded and followed by similar surveys done by others which found that only two percent of TLM adherents approved of sameSmarriage compared to two thirds of NOM adherents.

@levimeyer2707 2 күн бұрын

The 69 missal has not caused empty churches, as it is the same rite as the 62 missal; it is the abuses of the 69 missal and poor catechesis that has caused empty churches

@leomullins 2 күн бұрын

I miss the Catholic Mass of my childhood. Kneeling by the sacricty rail to take the host on tongue from the priest over the paten held by the alterboy was so much more worshipful even as a child than the mindless communion host gobbling of today that I witness of the majority of Catholics.

@adamziccardi2578 2 күн бұрын

"mindless gobbling" is going into my terminology book alongside "bogus ordo" and "female altar boys." The other name for the New Mass is "the Liturgical Half-Hour of Paul VI"

@bsontrop 14 сағат бұрын

" . . kneeling by the [ altar ] rail to take the host on tongue from the priest over the paten held by the altarboy . . . " is EXACTLY how it is done currently in the [ Anglican/ Catholic ] Ordinariate of Pope Benedict XVI.

@WT-Sherman 3 күн бұрын

The Traditional Mass was being offered hundreds of years BEFORE the Council of Trent. That council just officially codified it because of competing liturgies that existed at the time.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

Before Trent there was dozens various rites. Every country had its own.

@Jake4Truth 2 күн бұрын

The TLM probably traces back to four hundred AD, much of it back to the first century. There are no NT scriptures nor any First century written evidence of the laity receiving the Host in the hand. As early as AD One Twenty Six, Pope St. Sixtus I affirmed that only consecrated ministers could even touch sacred vessels. Jesus consecrated Twelve Apostles and we see only them receiving in the hand, and by Tradition, Cleopas, one of the Seventy-Two, was consecrated and he touched the bread at Emmaeus.

@Jake4Truth 2 күн бұрын

There are no NT scriptures nor any First century written evidence of the laity receiving the Host in the hand. As early as AD One Twenty Six, Pope St. Sixtus I affirmed that only consecrated ministers could even touch sacred vessels. Jesus consecrated Twelve Apostles and we see only them receiving in the hand, and by Tradition, Cleopas, one of the Seventy-Two, was consecrated and he touched the bread at Emmaeus.

@WT-Sherman 2 күн бұрын

@@Jake4Truth You could be right. But it is extremely difficult to get the straight scoop on what was going on 2000 years ago. Seems like every source has an agenda. Especially since it involves a discipline not a doctrine. But I believe with the recent practice of lay people touching and distributing the Eucharist and the Sacred Vessels has contributed tremendously to the lack of belief and respect for the Real Presence. Thus, resulting in the current crisis of Faith. This is consistent with the often casual manner of a typical New Mass.

@Jake4Truth 2 күн бұрын

@@WT-Sherman We go with what we know, no Sacred Scripture shows this for the laity, nothing outside of Scripture for the 1st or even early 2nd century for the laity, and anything else contrary is inferring and an argument based upon silence.

@einarrjamesson9643 2 күн бұрын

To my knowledge there is no TLM in my entire state. I don't understand why this happening. I am new to the faith (Easter 2024) and i genuinely cannot see why there is so much vitriol and pushback against historic Catholicism. Why are people pushing for terrible catechesis, soft, liberal theology, and uninteresed and passionless laity? I am so lucky to have a traditional and reverent priest who actively works towards authentic and faithful catechesis, and liturgy. I want from the bottom of my heart to understand this empty, modernist church

@bennygohome4576 2 күн бұрын

I’m a recent convert too. There's only one church that has TLM near me, the next ones are over 6 hours away. I don’t understand why they’re trying to destroy the church and the Eucharist, especially the Mass that attracted me an my wife to the church in the first place

@JohnAlbertRigali Күн бұрын

There are multiple TLM directories online, and they aren’t identical. If you’re looking for a TLM parish or chapel, check all of the directories that you find. The push to eliminate the TLM is one component of the push to promulgate the “vision of the Second Vatican Council”, which is riddled with errors that contravene or contradict traditional Catholic teaching. In the United States between the World Wars, Bella Dodd secretly infiltrated over 1,000 unqualified clergy candidates into Catholic seminaries - leftists, Freemasons, homosexuals, etc. It has been conjectured that at least a few of them became bishops who contributed (badly) to the Second Vatican Council. Ms. Dodd can arguably be said to have single-handedly begun the sway of the Catholic Church in the U.S. toward heterodoxy and heresy. American Catholic priests who embrace that sway are at least disinterested in if not inimical to the TLM, while American Catholic priests who oppose that sway at least support if not say the TLM.

@lorraineklimek1677 3 күн бұрын

Didn’t people before Vatican II have missals with English on one side of the page and Latin on the other???? That’s how I learned to pray in Latin and I can follow the proceedings of the Mass either way.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

A minority did. Vast majority of Catholics didn’t as millions for centuries could not even read

@femaleKCRoyalsFan 3 күн бұрын

@@thecatholicman I think Lorraine meant like in the 1940s and 50s, not in the previous centuries when most of the world was illiterate.

@johnfisher247 2 күн бұрын

Yes you are correct There are Missals and pamphlets and the readings are read in the vernacular In a literate, multi lingual society in which its easy to learn the Mass parts in Latin and vernacular there in no problem The new liturgy is not the old liturgy just translated into the vernacular...it includes new creations, removal of ancient parts. It is a manipulation by Bugnini of an opportunity to substantially change the liturgy and that is fraud.

@johnfisher247 2 күн бұрын

@@femaleKCRoyalsFanIn the 19th century literacy was wide. Certainly learning the Mass and prayers were by heart and memory. In preaching the texts of readings were said in the vernacular and for centuries...I have seen 15th century printed Mass and prayer books in Latin and English as well as vernacular translations of the books of the bible. Often bibles such as the Douia Rhiems would be read out by literate people in groups to others.

@corrinefarrell6726 2 күн бұрын

⁠@@thecatholicmanBorn in the forties, most people had Latin/English missals from a young age. Never said the rosary during mass.

@nancyboak3039 3 күн бұрын

The Traditional will respond to this by growing!

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

Exactly, I think it will drive the law of unintended (or intended) consequences. I actually think the document is going to fire the traditional movement

@RonBEsquire 3 күн бұрын

I agree. I'll be looking around for the nearest "Extraordinary Form" and leaving the novus ordo.

@Bryanisright33 3 күн бұрын

Just as the surveys showed 3-5% of people actually carex about the SynodonSynodality, Fiducia Supplicans was also an epic fail. Lots of L's piling up...tells you all you need to know.

@racheljames7 3 күн бұрын

@thecatholicman God absolutely has His ways of bringing good things put of bad situations. This might be a felix culpa.

@user-dk1nq3cn4e 3 күн бұрын

Nothing wrong praying the Rosary during the Mass, especially the Sorrowful Mysteries. You can offer your rosary for the priest who is offering the Mass to God. Nothing wrong at all.

@bobaphat3676 2 күн бұрын

Nothing wrong but one should participate in the Mass, it is Mass.

@TheKevin9000 2 күн бұрын

@@bobaphat3676 Who says it's not a valid way to participate in the Mass?

@bobaphat3676 2 күн бұрын

@@TheKevin9000 Pope Paul VI, also 'invalid' is the wrong word, there are better ways to participate in Mass, you should know the most obvious way.

@user-pg5xt4bq4w 2 күн бұрын

Praying quietly during Mass without the responses is in fact participation in Mass, rosary or not, it’s just now people think vocal prayer with responses to the priest is the only participation, just willingly being at Mass is participation even

@beckyc.244 2 күн бұрын

People pray the rosary at the NO i attend. Nothing wrong with that!!

@nicholasosb8015 3 күн бұрын

I hope ICKSP, FSSP, SSPX are all getting ready for great expansion!

@racheljames7 3 күн бұрын

An SSPX priest I know said, "to quote the line from the movie Jaws, we're going to need a bigger boat" 😂 and that was a few years ago.

@user-tn1xv1vc2d 2 күн бұрын

The only problem is that the Novus Ordo attendees will come in ther hideous Attire with no real sense of Reverence and Modesty that will dilute the Parish with Weeds. 🤔 It will take years for their conversion. Unfortunately.

@lawrencevandenberg7725 3 күн бұрын

Introibo ad altare Dei, ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam. This can't be banned or abolished. This is enshrined in my heart, the redeemed and sacred temple of the Holy Spirit. I am not given to understand the Blessed Trinity, I am given to love the Blessed Trinity. The ordained priesthood is given to intercede with the Blessed Trinity for the eternal salvation of our souls -- not to "catechize " the laity. The Blessed Sacrament will catechize us. The reverence of silent, holy worship will catechize us, in the Will of God's Love. God IS Love -- this is the faith we're given to live. 🕊

@SmithsnMoz 3 күн бұрын

Keep praying 🙏..

@user-be2jq9ry7y 3 күн бұрын

So why does Pope Francis take precedence over Pope Saint Pius V?

@anguslean4058 3 күн бұрын

He doesn’t - That’s why he is acting this way He thinks by restriction and constriction and then having these orders die out he will rid the Ape of The Church of the Latin Mass.

@marye7798 3 күн бұрын

For conversion of Pope Francis and the Church hierarchy 🙏😥

@kzbaby2002 3 күн бұрын

Maybe the people who think the Novus Ordo is not reverent can contribute to it becoming more reverent in their own parish. The old saying God sends you the priests you deserve. If everyone at Mass has the right inner disposition it will create the right atmosphere and attract reverent priests to it.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

No. That isn’t possible. I’ve tried. If a priest is liberal not amount of lay involvement will change him

@kzbaby2002 3 күн бұрын

@@thecatholicmanSorry to hear that. My parish has two very wonderful priests. The pastor however is too political sometimes and brisk. I just try to go deep into meditation at Mass. For the most part I think our congregation is more holy than others I’ve been in. And we are growing. I still fear whether there’ll be any priests I can turn to in future tribulations which I think are upon us.

@johncalla2151 3 күн бұрын

I'm not going to a Novus Ordo Mass. Don't care what kind of tricks they play.

@Jake4Truth 3 күн бұрын

If "schismatic" trads would just become schismatic Anglicans then maybe Francis would come celebrate with them at their mass like he did in Rome! /sarc.

@lovesrlady2 3 күн бұрын

Exactly! I can't understand why some trads will go to the Novus Ordo "once in a while." It's not pleasing to God, and it's a danger to your faith.

@ProdigalSon70X7 3 күн бұрын

why not ? even if its done the right way? Is Jesus not present in the Eucharist? Would you rather commit sin than to not attend a NO mass?

@davidritson2961 3 күн бұрын

You would refuse Jesus invitation to, "Eat my Body...Drink my Blood" on a matter of principle....in that case ask yourself, "would you have life within you?" Just trust God beyond reason.

@user-ov7nq5ki3m 3 күн бұрын

⁠@@ProdigalSon70X7 If the NO is just plain WRONG - doesn’t express the Mass itself - what’s the right way of celebrating it? Does it matter much more than a football game? I was brought up in the Tridentine Mass - vernacular version c. 1966 - embarrassing. Downhill all the way sice then … there are still idiot clergy wearing cheese hats, Mickey Mouse masks etc. if there’ s anything RIGHT about that and if Francis approves of that, I’m off to the Russian Orthodox.

@steved7961 3 күн бұрын

I am 77 years old and the TLM was the norm everywhere until I was about 18. I NEVER, EVER witnessed anyone saying the Rosary during Mass. Missals had both Latin and English printed side by side for anyone interested enough to own one which guided one through the parts of the Mass and we received instruction at school which provided translations and clarity, we all understood what was going on at different points in the Mass. The same Mass was said in every church in the world so the use of Latin actually aided participation for travellers. It is an outrage that the 'Mass of ages' might no longer be heard.

@stuartallen8684 2 күн бұрын

I totally disagree with any restriction whatsoever of the TLM. It should always be available for those who prefer it. But…the NO is valid, Christ is Truly Present in the Blessed Sacrament at any Holy Mass using correct words of Consecration; specifically “This is my Body”…”This is my Blood”…etc. (correct?) Personally, I find the TLM baffling…I’d be one of those guys praying the Rosary. Don’t necessarily see anything wrong with that…Carthusian lay-brothers still do while their Ordained brethren celebrate in Latin.

@thomasjorge4734 2 күн бұрын

I pray the Rosary during the N.O. Mass and still participate actively!

@martaacosta4415 3 күн бұрын

I’m a female and I’ve no right to make any decisions about the liturgy. I’ve no right to be a priest nor even to imagine what I might do if I were a priest. And I mean all of that quite literally, not sarcastically. I don’t and shouldn’t have the right to do any of the things I’ve just mentioned. However. However, I have every right to decide where and when I’m going to attend the holy sacrifice of the mass. And I have every right to decide what city I’m going to live in. (This last, where I am going to live, with my husband’s agreement, of course.) Currently we live in the state of Utah. I’ve come to have a great deal of respect for Latter Day Saints and their history, but they don’t do much in this state to facilitate the TLM. So my husband and I are moving soon to a city in Idaho that does have a couple of churches with the TLM. I can’t wait to get there! The TLM will continue to be celebrated , I’ve no doubt. Because God wills it and He will not be blocked by popes, presidents, or peons. And if I were a priest, there is no doubt in my mind that I would say, “Bergoglio? Pope Francis? Who dat?” And then I would celebrate the holy and traditional Latin Mass of the Ages in basements, in garages, in Holiday Inns, on rooftops, in tents, in old fallout shelters, in caves, in living rooms, en plein air, and in public bathrooms; I’d celebrate it in Rome and in Possum Trot, Kentucky; in Alaska with ice clinging to my mustache, and in Merida, Yucatán, with sweat dripping from my brow; on top of Everest, and mired in swamps; in the springtime snowmelt of the Rockies, and in the sizzling heat of the driest desert. I cannot tolerate the thought that this one individual in Rome is trying to destroy our holy liturgy. And there is nothing I would not do to show him that he cannot.

@mrsb_96 2 күн бұрын

Any Mass can be reverent and beautiful, regardless of what 'order' or the distractions around us. It is on us to focus on the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, and there I find peace.

@johnnybgood5836 3 күн бұрын

where's the welcoming all comers sinners all...? .... doesn't include Latin Mass devotees?.......get that jab wear a mask don't ask for a conscientious objection close the church doors ..... pray for Pope Francis and his appalling advisors.....

@rlhernandez1 3 күн бұрын

I’m sorry, but the use of Latin is NOT the key difference with the Novus Ordo that people imagine it to be. A faithful vernacular translation of the Traditional Mass would STILL be a completely different (and far superior) rite than the Novus Ordo.

@sptomase 3 күн бұрын

There is an English version of the TLM but I can’t remember the name off hand.

@racheljames7 3 күн бұрын

When you read the translations in the missal, you realise it's so different. I couldnt believe it the first time I read it. I felt like something had been kept from me on purpose.

@sptomase 3 күн бұрын

@@racheljames7 you mean the TLM vs NO?

@Mummy834815 3 күн бұрын

@@racheljames7I was called to the Latin Mass for the first time about 5 years ago after leaving a N.O mass in tears. I had never thought of attending but like a bolt out of the blue this "urge" came upon me. I went that very day and the homily,based on the very same Scripture was the first wake up call. It literally could not have been more polar opposite to the love is love nonsense I'd heard just couple hours earlier. Truth is I didn't need to know everything being said in the actual canon of the Madd. I knew I was home. But afterwards,as i really let the words of the mass booklet sink in the overwhelming feeling was similar to yours. I felt such deep pain. I felt like i'd been cheated my entire life.

@trosenthal3711 2 күн бұрын

@@sptomase as close as you can get is the Anglican ordinariate

@tigger-cm6zh 3 күн бұрын

Thanks Robert you explained that very well. I have to say I do prefer the Latin Mass as i see true holy reverence given to Our Lord 🙏

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

Well said!

@woeherald7455 3 күн бұрын

They can't unilaterally ban that mass.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

At a diocesan level they can

@dermotquigley356 3 күн бұрын

@@thecatholicmanNo, Robert they can't ban it any level. Please refer to my detailed comment above.

@vascoporfiado5705 3 күн бұрын

Abusing their powers they can@@thecatholicman

@sptomase 3 күн бұрын

The Pope can ban it if he wants. The first Mass was a love-feast there was a lot of abuses and it was eventually banned. So yes he can but no he shouldn’t.

@Divinemercytx 3 күн бұрын

@sptomase that's weird... love feast? What are you talking about? I went to the TLM before Vatican 2 and it was beautiful

@user-dk1nq3cn4e 3 күн бұрын

Just think of all the people, the orders, the convents, the priests and the sisters that left after Vatican II.

@levimeyer2707 2 күн бұрын

If the church was in such a good place, if everyone was so well catechized and close to Jesus through this beautiful, perfect pre-69 missal, then why did so many leave the church amidst all the confusion, wouldn’t they have stayed strong in their faith and trusted the Holy Spirit and the infallible magisterium?

@kyriaeleison9368 2 күн бұрын

The devil wants only that which he does not already have, we can see how well he is ensconced with the clown, rock guitar et all. Masses. And so he will go after tbe truth, the Traditional Latin Mass with all his minions, and we are getting to know who they are in no uncertain terms, however Jesus promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against His church, His bride. Jesus we trust in Thee. Viva Christo Ray!

@marymcclavey8395 3 күн бұрын

Do they think that getting to TLMs will get even more difficult and the result will be that the people who attend it will be content to go to NO just out of ennui? People have to go long distances already to attend TLM. The closest TLM to me is in Ottawa where the FSSP have St. Anne's Church and that is quite a stretch.

@danielagiovanazzi2055 2 күн бұрын

I think more people need to attend this year's Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage in Rome as a show of strength to the Modernist destroyers of the Church and to tell them they cannot and must not ban the true Mass. Traditiones Custodes and now this ban is from Hell.

@bornbranded29 2 күн бұрын

The problem with your claim that people aren't catechized is that you're not emphasizing personal responsibility and diligence. I'm coming on 1 year as a Catholic. I go to mass weekly, go to confession, pray, have picked up Latin very nicely. People are pitifully lazy.

@user-mh6uq7mq3m 3 күн бұрын

You know what??!!! I don't particularly care for how words are being thrown around these days. Now we are being told we are "Idolizing" the Latin Mass. Well if Jesus Christ is my idol than I am idolizing him at the TLM Mass. If it was NO, I went there to let God know that I was idolizing Him. If someone loves the Midnight Mass and I go to the Christmas Day Mass who is right and who is wrong? I want to go to TLM, that is where you will find me.

@racheljames7 3 күн бұрын

I'm with you, brother (or sister. Forgive me). The gaslighting is so boring. "You're idolizing the TLM" they say. No, we just think Jesus deserves our best.

@Elizabeth-xz5pg 2 күн бұрын

Wish I could go to Latin Mass I would need to get a ferry and they are very unreliable and even don't know where .

@philiphumphrey1548 3 күн бұрын

I am no fan of Latin (unfortunately my parish priest is!), but I disagree strongly with banning the extraordinary form mass. When the Church sanctioned the tridentine rite mass, it did so for all time. Likewise with the vernacular rite of the ordinary form mass, it's valid for all time. You have to accept both masses are valid otherwise you are in conflict with the authority of the Church. But when the Church forbids something it previously sanctioned, it looks stupid, and worse still people leave over it.

@lluchadden4040 3 күн бұрын

It is a sad day when some fight over the Mass. People need to repent.

@fr.michael9213 3 күн бұрын

The Antiochian Orthodox Archdiocese of America has a Western Rite Vicariate. The Priests offer the old Mass, celebrated in the vernacular.

@etcwhatever 2 күн бұрын

@@fr.michael9213why would you go to schismatics when the catholic Church has more than 20 other rites? Why this obsession with the Roman rite?

@barryk6553 2 күн бұрын

@@fr.michael9213 great point 👍🏻

@catherinetaylor9035 2 күн бұрын

The reason I like attending the TLM is because of the quiet before and after mass together with the reverence during mass. At novus ordus people generally aren't preparing they are chatting with others - the same after mass. I think there is still much work to do in educating people about the mass and why we are there. I also think the TLM mass attendance will increase - I have noticed this already.

@terrisharp7245 2 күн бұрын

I already go to a church that is in schism with the Arch Diocese where I live. It is very difficult and causes me distress. In saying that, once God revealed the TLM to me, I cannot deny that which has been concealed from me, my whole life, that has now been revealed.i feel like I'm in a holding pattern. I did not cause this confusion and distress. I'm just trying to navigate it. May God have mercy on us all.

@nanaprn7809 3 күн бұрын

This is the first time on your channel and i am most impressed, so much so that it brought me to tears (maybe it's your wonderful accent). It brought to mind the wonderful Joseph Campbell who spoke of such things in his mythology studies. The otherworldliness of turning toward the altar thoughts to Jesus rather than having the priest face the people. It provides a totally different mind and spirit.

@ffemto4 2 күн бұрын

There’s no TLM near me. All i have is Novus Ordo. I can’t not go to mass, regardless of what language it’s in. I converted from protestant (presbyterian) about 7-8 years ago and have never had any opportunity or exposure to TLM. Id love to go and learn, but 🤷🏼‍♂️

@liquidGold79 2 күн бұрын

I think the liturgy is greater than most think. It forms the priests and people. No one is making mass an idol, rather they understand the tlm teaches the faith fully and novus ordo does not. So fighting for traditional mass is fighting for the faith,

@avarmadillo 2 күн бұрын

Determined to be Catholic is not such a clearly and easily discerned standard.

@joanmarie8209 2 күн бұрын

Loved listening to you! May God Bless you ✝️❤️

@bucksfan77 3 күн бұрын

Cant wait to see Michael Lofton write this off

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

He can’t

@bucksfan77 3 күн бұрын

@thecatholicman he'll try!

@nanaprn7809 3 күн бұрын

Reminds me why I no longer attend mass. I loved the latin mass. I had a missal that my grandmother gave me that explained the latin and I loved it. But I never felt at home with the mass in the vernacular.

@jerzygutowski3170 Күн бұрын

My grandmother was born in1890 and had no education of any kind but she never object to latin mass in latin just watched the priest and at home pray rosary Padre Pio once said "I am mediator you just stand and watch "

@marcdeschrevel1458 2 күн бұрын

Thanks for the update, in my province in Belgium, go to church and there are almost no young people anymore, thanks to the N.O. but I'm there is TLM packed with mostly young people. The reality is that the do not accept the bullying, we do what we know was good and still is good.

@ClaymanS 2 күн бұрын

I go to SSPX and if this happens people will come to our churches...the only thing is that the Society doesn't have enough priests...unless other priests join the Society of St. PiusX like they do in Poland, diocesan priests want to join the Society but they don't have enough chapels..but this is the future of the Church!

@bsontrop 14 сағат бұрын

Thank you Robert ! . . Here is some of the 34 titles of Romano Guardini's book: Meditations BEFORE Mass [ 1939; 1956; 1993/1997; 2013 ] : "Stillness", "Silence and the Word", "Silence and Hearing", "Habit as a hindrance", Sentimentality as a hindrance", "The memorial of the New Covenant", "Reality", "Time and Eternity", "The Bread of Life", "Christ's Offering of Self", "The Truth and the Eucharist", "The Mass and Christ's Return", "EXPECTING the Lord" . .

@MarjorieBurns-gu9tf 3 күн бұрын

I do not attend the Traditional Latin Mass. There are a lot of problems in the Church and in our world, but the Traditional Latin Mass is not one of them. And full participation …. attendance has dropped dramatically …. Which means NO PARTICIPATION AT ALL!!!

@jamestregler1584 2 күн бұрын

I'm reminded of king Henry of Germany '' come down from the seat of Peter false monk !

@knightoftheimmaculata8876 3 күн бұрын

They are crucifying our Lord's mystical body but he will rise again!

@vitolipari3406 Күн бұрын

Why are TLM masses being terminated? Any restriction of people attending mass is an affront to God, especially since people need to receive Communion.

@gailmiller5226 3 күн бұрын

I like everything you say Robert…makes a lot of sense🙏🏻

@Runsfrombears 3 күн бұрын

God definitely uses these times to bring us ,who love him, closer to himself

@andrewangelopacheco9960 Күн бұрын

My understanding of People praying the Rosary during Mass, was that they were in fact participating in the Mass. The Mass is all the mysteries of the Rosary. I sometimes pray the Rosary during Mass, it brings me closer to Christ in the Mass. Some used prayer books praying the Mass itself. Modernists have always tried and succeded in making us Traditionalists look stupid. This is a weapon from hell they use. On July 16, 2024 I will become an adherent of the Society of St. Pius X. I owe no obedience to the anti-Pope Francis.

@JohnAlbertRigali Күн бұрын

I find it difficult to believe that so many Catholics didn’t understand what happens in the TLM before the Novus Ordo Mass was instituted. Didn’t laypersons have missals to help them understand before the Novus Ordo Mass was instituted? 🤔 I and many of my fellow parishioners have the 1962 Roman Missal.

@leaverus 2 күн бұрын

I attend a very reverent latin novus ordo

@johnnymism 3 күн бұрын

Let's wait and see.

@ilovecatsijustlovecats3944 2 күн бұрын

That's on my bingo card for 2024. The TLM being banned

@alexzadrazil7242 3 күн бұрын

I know it's a contervisal opinion to have but I for one see near perfect historical continuity between the Missal of 1962 and the Missal of 1970. Just as the Pre-Georgian Mass is in total continuity with the new missal of Pope Georgy.

@bethhivley2633 Күн бұрын

This is all just so stupid! These people need to wake up. This is NOT pleasing to our Lord

@MrV395 2 күн бұрын

No issues with the VII Council? You are a lucky man, I have plenty.

@michaelcontreras148 Күн бұрын

I will go to any mass because the body of Christ is present

@misss.o.j. Күн бұрын

Middle of the Roader.

@cominatrix 3 күн бұрын

It's strange to be part of the Universal Church and want to celebrate the mass the way it was done for at least a millennium and in a way that feels so much more reverent than the N.O. has become in most places and to be told by these people who have the reigns that we basically are not part of them. I try not to be upset about these things, I believe that the long term is that the Holy Spirit is guiding the strong among us to rebuild the faith and the Church, but it really seems that the N.O. directly or indirectly has weakened the mass and these measures only serve to lead away from the things that are attempting to be preserved by the TLM. It's as if they want schism, but isn't that just the way of the world lately?

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

While I prefer and love the TLM, remember that in the last 50 years the majority of Catholic martyrs died going to Novus Ordo (in Africa, Asia and Middle East) the new mass has made many many saints. I just think the Vatican has their own ideology now which isn’t helping. But we can’t loose faith

@katydidd6321 3 күн бұрын

Well said. We've lost too many of our traditions already, this seems like another nail in the coffin. I don't understand what is so wrong with tradition, religious or otherwise. Its all under attack. Difficult to raise kids to be stable and healthy these days because, well, we can't have just boys and girls anymore, now they can be non-binary giraffes. And tradition is attacked so viciously, too. It might be one thing if the authorities werent called out because you said something to someone that they somehow took offense to... And now the Church is falling in line with this? Papa admonishing his own children for trying to hold onto Church traditions? Why this? What is so wrong with tradition?

@thistlewood1 3 күн бұрын

Mass is mass to me , when I am on holiday we just go to local mass even if it’s in another language, so not sure the purpose of this video , interesting yes , but greater issues , anyway God is in charge he is the boss , hard to trust in him , but when human thinking has its way , things go wrong in a big way , don’t get me wrong I think Latin mass would be beautiful, although I don’t know any where local that does it Anyway keep up the good work , we are all struggling 🙏

@doublem1971 3 күн бұрын

It seems that at the core of being a Catholic is the belief of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I wonder what percentage of TLM attendees vs NO attendees believe in the real presence. I think we all know the answer just don't know the numbers.

@marymcclavey8395 3 күн бұрын

I agree that many churchgoers prior to VII did not really live their faith. I have also heard the criticism that people did not follow the mass and said the rosary instead. I agree that most Catholics in those days did not understand the faith and attended out of social habit. But I believe this was the same for Protestants as well. I was extremely fortunate to go to a convent school where I came into actual contact with the faith .

@lluchadden4040 3 күн бұрын

Vatican 11 documents say that the Latin Rite is always permissible, and the Novus Ordo Mass can also be prayed. Because of this, I don't know why there is a problem with either. This is causing a schism between the far right Traditionalists and the liberal left. Between these two groups the Faithful sigh, pray, and simply say, "Go to Mass, get your relationship right with God and your sisters and brothers." I don't think it is right to dismiss either Mass.

@racheljames7 3 күн бұрын

Being a "far right" traditionalist myself (shock horror!), I'm sick to death of people telling me I need to get my relationship with God right and check my faith by people who's customs and way of life aren't being cruelly ripped away from them and haven't got the faintest idea how it feels.

@James-fk2ki 2 күн бұрын

It is right on the part of the Holy Father to restrict the diocesan priest from celebrating the Tridentine Mass when there are priestly congregations dedicated solely for the preservation of Tridentine Mass. Whosoever wish to celebrate may join the FSSP and ICKSP

@TheKevin9000 2 күн бұрын

They didn't pray the rosary because they didn't know what was going on at Mass. It was a pay of participating just like reading a missal.

@carolfoxe1971 13 сағат бұрын

Yes, it's praying the Mass as the passion of Christ.

@theworldtodespise 2 күн бұрын

Anglican thinking of swimming the Tiber and I have to say, I didnt realize how divided yall were over there. That is one of things I am trying to get away from..

@morenoalphonso7212 3 күн бұрын

I do not wish to be rude, but l SEEM to think you are not genuine ! Please forgive me if I'm wrong ! I pray God forgives me too !

@chrism7847 2 күн бұрын

So much for “Collegiality” 🤦🏻‍♂️

@bornbranded29 2 күн бұрын

What pains me is the holy diocesan priests who I hate to walk away from when they can no longer offer the Tridentine Mass. There's an SSPX mission in my city. I'll go there. Plain and simple.

@debrakeogh 2 күн бұрын

It could be that God is allowing this to happen in order to separate the wheat from the chaff! It is in the TLM communities that are having lots of children, there will be the growth because of that if nothing else. The Novus Ordo communities are a sea of grey hair. It will be interesting to see how this plays out! God won't be made a fool! These things have a tendency to backfire if they go against Gods will.

@awateredgarden 2 күн бұрын

We go to a Latin Mass at a private chapel. Would that be banned too?

@sheiladumigan451 3 күн бұрын

Jesus Jesus Jesus 🙏❤️

@rebeccadanvers884 3 күн бұрын

A leak. Not the official document.

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

It’s all but published

@NA-ls7hi 2 күн бұрын

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not rely on your own understanding In all your ways acknowledge Hi. and He will make your paths straight Proverbs 3:5 God sees and knows He will calm this storm we just need to remain faithful to Him 🙏

@sunny2shoes 2 күн бұрын

The Latin Mass will expand..I'm well into my love of learning the Latin language and about the mass.

@linasbar6951 2 күн бұрын

where are you ? its lovely

@1romancatholic 2 күн бұрын

I just think God deserves a Church and Rite of a decorum befitting the All Holy God.

@macnadoodle Күн бұрын

So I guess Francis wants to, as Taylor Marshall says. "corale" the trads into a separate church, so he can carry on mangling the main Church body. Ok. But as the only growth is in Trad church communities, and Germany in particular is losing followers hand over fist. On the other hand, Francis may well have decided to leave Trads in a lifeboat of the ED communities, which he destroys the modernist church. Unlikely, but that ay also be his plan.

@lindamcdermott2205 2 күн бұрын

Heard the opposite today! That Latin Masses can continue.

@NA-ls7hi 3 күн бұрын

Amen Amen and yes in the end people who love TLM will find it and maybe Fraternaty will be flooding with faithful

@AK-nw7tr 2 күн бұрын

Whoa. Fr. Folsom, OSB taught Latin Mass about clergy piety. V2 added more Scripture and laity piety matters now too. Agreed, went too far. Laity arent that pious...and neither are clergy. May Jesus have pity on us.

@roxannearmstrong1219 2 күн бұрын

The Ordinariate, FSSP, carry on as usual. Nothing new. This will cause the traditional Mass to grow...💯🙏

@Hope_Boat 2 күн бұрын

Hi people. Once you're tired with the cognitive dissonance of Roman Catholicism, remember that the orthodox Church is relevant. Kyrie eleison ☦️

@ClaymanS 2 күн бұрын

Praying rosary because they don't understand Latin?? Poor excuse because the Misals have both languages of the whole mass side by side! I have my mom's missal from 1952 (in Slovak language) and I read both languages and anyone going regularly to Latin mass will learn some of the Latin too. I believe that in the western countries they wanted to change the mass so it's more acceptable to protestants. All these evil things have always come from western Europe not from the East. I was 11 when the new mass started in Slovakia and as a child I remember how embarrassing it was for the priest to face the people! Especially when taking holy communion..this private moment was all on display to the whole church...I remember being embarrassed myself, interesting how we remember certain things throughout our life 😢

@ericfaith2810 3 күн бұрын

To me the Latin and Conciliar are no more better than the other. Why can't there be both. As for Pope Francis, I believe very little I hear about him from would be rad trad cat media. Learning Latin is essential especially for nurses, doctors, and medical staff as it's used quite often. I was actually saddened when the Conciliar Mass was altered. Through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault??? What happened? Did I die and am now in Purgatory where the Mass's Liturgy has to be re-memorizef? I really liked Pope Benedict XVI, but that really disheartened me when they altered what I was used to praying since I was a kid. Latin does nothing for me. I can hear Ave Maria recited and the 'body' of the words, the spoken words I hear, but the 'spirit' or meaning of the words just aren't there. But that's just me personally. I like being traditional without being traditionalist, but to be honest, I struggle to go to Mass at all anymore. It's hope vs. despair here with more reasons than I can count. Thanks for the video.

@kzbaby2002 3 күн бұрын

I still can’t get the prayers at Mass right since they changed under Benedict. I have to read the text every time. I think my brain doesn’t memorize the way it could when I was younger.

@marymcclavey8395 3 күн бұрын

It has occurred to me though that the Church might divide itself into two parts like the Anglican Church did. However, I have noticed that there seems to be a negative attitude toward High Anglicans from the low (if I can call it that) Anglican Church. I also think the High Anglicans could care less about that. But it means that the Catholic Church would have to maintain these new churches. Of course, I suppose that they could become mission churches for FSSP for example. They could use old small churches which have gone bankrupt and up for sale. Still, it means that adherents to the TLM will have to be prepared to support it, and of course to be sneered at by devout NO attendees. Still it would be a good thing to stop trying to fit TLM masses into the NO calendar.

@UlyGooly 2 күн бұрын

Did anyone read thw full document?

@stuartgibson3006 3 күн бұрын

Disgrace Disgrace Disgrace🙏🌍🙏🕊️

@rebeccaklarica2527 2 күн бұрын

I can see Icksp fssp grow if this becomes reality.

@katherinehickey6915 3 күн бұрын

Vedus Ordo suppressed. Me thinks the messages from heaven are a response to these attempts to cancel the holy sacrifice at the altar

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

Not totally, the ecclesia Dei communities won’t be impacted.

@lilyst.pierre6457 2 күн бұрын

@@thecatholicman ICKSP in Chicago was suppressed quite some time ago

@Undermarysmantleforever 3 күн бұрын

🙏🙏🙏🌟

@LadyGwen4 2 күн бұрын

Catechesis is the answer!!!!

@76Jeremy 3 күн бұрын

How does this affect the SSPX?

@thecatholicman 3 күн бұрын

It doesn’t , however if the Pope approves a new bishop for them then things could change very fast

@soldierofmary984 2 күн бұрын

I dont care which Mass I attend as long as its Jesus in the Eucharist. All this gossip over a language. English or Latin or any other language God does not look at that as long as the consecration is correct and Jesus is present in the Eucharist. He looks at our hearts in the Mass not the Language coming out of our mouths.

@slowroastedmarshmallow9226 3 күн бұрын

Union w God... Was THAT the Goal of the architects of Vat II? Now, with all the Education that people could get thru computers, they want to Dumb Catholics BACK to the 70s Kum Ba Ya. I am all for Simplicity and being Childlike, but what is wrong w aiming to give God the BEST we have and letting Him be a bit Mysterious?!

@cathmhaoil 3 күн бұрын

@11:00 No one can make an idol of the form of God Himself. It's a misconception on the part of the accuser that The Word of God Himself can be idolised. A diabolical excuse not to reform the deformed.