Marlin 1893 With Excess Headspace

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The Cinnabar

The Cinnabar

2 жыл бұрын

In this episode, we'll show how to diagnose and correct excess headspace in an antique Marlin 1893 in 38-55.

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@davidlotti5407
@davidlotti5407 2 жыл бұрын
My father bought a 1893 Marlin in 30-30 in1941 form a old timer who carried to the Yukon in 1898 gold rush ,he used it as his main deer rifle until the mid 1950s when he bought a 336 Texan. My older brother used it deer hunting from the late1950s to the mid 1960s ,then I used from the the mid 60s to the late 70s my younger brother used it an shot his first whitetails . I’ll use it as my bad weather rifle when need arises! It is still very accurate an has probably accounted for 100 deer while in the family!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
That's fantastic to have a rifle like that with so much family history!
@drummer0864
@drummer0864 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to mention I also have a 336, in 38-55 and I've never shot anything but black powder, loads out of it. I sighted it in at 100 yards and could hold inch and a quarter to 1and3/4" groups with a rest. That was the only time I ever shot paper with it. Out to a 150 &200 yards., the hold over grows considerably, but was still able to ring 6" steel and bust soup cans off hand on a regular basses. I haven't had an opportunity to shoot it in a few years. It's a great round and hits surprisingly hard.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear you’ve got it shooting so accurately. It can be a frustrating process, but very rewarding when you find the right combination.
@jackaustin3576
@jackaustin3576 Жыл бұрын
I bought one about 1960 in 44-40....I gave it to my Son a few years ago....My Dad bought his Winchester Model 1873 in 38-40, made in 1912, in 1935 for 7 dollars....My Dad was born in 1912....We still have both rifles and his Colt New Service 45 that he bought in 1955....Have a blessed day....
@jeffreygraf3358
@jeffreygraf3358 2 жыл бұрын
You just saved me hours of aggravation taking my old Marlin apart. Thank you!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Glad it helped.
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyable presentation. That Marlin action is elegant in its simplicity. I had no idea how you were going to address the problem of excess headspace in a lever gun, but you did a great job explaining the options and demonstrating how you fixed that problem.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Chipster!
@haroldross5535
@haroldross5535 Жыл бұрын
I love you’re discussion on the 38-55. I just bought the Henry H024 38-55 and am reloading rounds for it. Thanks for putting these videos on KZfaq.
@453421abcdefg12345
@453421abcdefg12345 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is your best video yet !!! And the Marlin is a revelation to me, after working on a Winchester 1886 this looks like it could be assembled blindfold, a lovey old rifle, the easy way is to make a bullet mould to cast a larger bullet like I had to for my 50-110 ! Many thanks for posting this one! Chris B.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Glad you liked it.
@Master...deBater
@Master...deBater Жыл бұрын
Yeah...Browning didn't make it easy on ya!
@idjeffp
@idjeffp Жыл бұрын
Loved seeing you address the common headspace issue on the old / early Marlins. Wish Numrich had similar replacement bolts for the early 1895 Marlins as well. Thanks again, Jeff in Idaho
@titanbluestreak8709
@titanbluestreak8709 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience, soft lead bullets and shooting black powder is the easiest way to get a rifle such as this 38-55 with an oversized bore to shoot better. Some Winchesters in a several different models and calibers have the same issue. BP and soft lead usually improves it. Great video again Mark. Well done.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark.
@hart64ghs
@hart64ghs 2 жыл бұрын
Great old Marlin, a lot of the older guns with softer steel have been worn prematurely by using smokeless loads with jacketed bullets. Hopefully the throat will accept cases with a .383-4 bullet. Enjoyed the video Mark.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Hopefully it will shoot better with some black powder loads.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
That's called a barrel set-back and it would definitely work. I talked about that option in some detail in the video. The customer chose to replace the bolt because it was a much simpler and less expensive fix. If I couldn't have got the headspace in spec with the new bolt, I would have done a barrel set-back. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@redtobertshateshandles
@redtobertshateshandles Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Hello from Australia. About 40 miles south of Sydney on the coast.
@donaldharrison3031
@donaldharrison3031 2 жыл бұрын
I good friend of mine who was a Winchester fan also spoke very highly of the Marlin actions for their lever actions. Even he had to admit that the Marlin action was probably stronger than the Winchester and had a superior ejection system. I have several Winchesters but no Marlins and I am getting a little too old to look for them. Great video thanks, Mark.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, Donald. While I don't collect Marlins, I'm a fan of John Marlin's work
@clifflee7461
@clifflee7461 2 жыл бұрын
Another Fine video Mark.Love all this fine old lever guns,When i slugged the barrel on my 1894 in 44-40 found it to be 430. so i had a old Lee mold in 429. i reamed out with valve lapping paste with a cast projectile from the mold a quick few spins and now it casts 431. The 94 now shoots nice groups Cheers
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Good thinking Cliff! Thanks for sharing that idea
@robertisley798
@robertisley798 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for featuring a Marlin. Appreciate the Wins, but Marlins need honorable mention as well. Original JM's and now hopefully Ruger made Marlins will revive these terrific lever action guns into the 21 century. Also thanks to Henry for making a terrific 336 clone, their side load 30-30 is basically an accurate representation of a classic JM 336 with Henry tube load as option. All good.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
I collect Winchesters, but I definitely admire the Marlin levergun design, too.
@davegoff6659
@davegoff6659 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, my dad left me his rifles and 1 of them is a marlin 38-55 1893 made in 95. Thats the most info I've been able to fined. Mine shoots great.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
That's great, Dave! I really like those old Marlins. Quite a few people with these early 93's in 38-55 have contacted me after I made this episode, telling me they had similar problems and offering details on the steps they took to get them shooting well. You're fortunate to have a great old rifle that shoots well without any special loads. Enjoy that old Marlin!
@SHOT_GUNNER
@SHOT_GUNNER 2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting and informative video! This is a top notch all American channel. 🇺🇸 🤠👍🏼
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Shotgunner! Much Appreciated.
@ofreen
@ofreen 2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting video, and what a beautiful day that was when shooting.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we've had some incredibly nice weather for this time of year.
@josecano8347
@josecano8347 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for doing this video. I applied your method modified to fit my needs and fixed headspace on a 308. First time seeing the tape technique. Thank you once again for saving me time and money.
@davidgardner863
@davidgardner863 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 93’ Marlin made in 1894 that had exactly the same problem; excess head space and a large bore, about .384. Since the barrel was in otherwise excellent condition I sent it to Turnbull Restorations to have it set back. For the large bore problem, I had a custom bullet mold made but the bullets were then too big to stuff into the cases. I solved that problem by fire forming the cases in another gun, then the bullets went in easily. I also had to grind out my case sizing and seating dies. After all that it turned out to be a great shooting gun.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Great info David. Thanks for sharing your experience with the exact same rifle. I'll pass it on to the rifle's owner.
@dieselten01
@dieselten01 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The over size bore and under sized chamber neck is common/normal in old Marlins. I dealt with it both in 1893 and Ballard Pacific in 38-55 and 40-63. I actually wrote an article anout it for the Single Shot Exchange about 25 years ago. If the bore is good they will shoot fine with lead bullets without antimony up to .004 undersized and seated in a case full of black powder. Smokeless powder will not boot the bullets up but black powder easily does. You can also use about 8 grains of 4227 or 4759 as a priming charge under the black powder and they will shoot clean as straight smokeless but still give you the boot-up like black powder.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this great advice. I'll pass it on to the owner of the rifle. Maybe I can even find your old article.
@dieselten01
@dieselten01 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 if you have the old issues I think the title was “Loading the .40 cal Ballards” or something like that
@noexcuses6727
@noexcuses6727 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful countryside !
@jonparkes7006
@jonparkes7006 2 жыл бұрын
Sir Loved the 25-20 shoot. I have a couple of 1892’s in 25-20 and love shooting them. They are amazing rifles, they are over a 100 years of age, and with a disassembly and cleaning , still work perfectly fine . Regards and seasons greetings from 🇦🇺
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jon! Season's Greetings to you and your family.
@ku4ap
@ku4ap 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark, great job on that ol Marlin…the tape idea is a pretty good trick… please keep those tips and especially the videos coming. Oh and I appreciate the clearly explained information too…!!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@338mag
@338mag Жыл бұрын
What a view from the shooting bench! Beautiful country.
@kevingay5666
@kevingay5666 2 жыл бұрын
My marlin 1893 made in 1904 chambered in 30WCF would be one of my last one to sell. Very interesting video, great job!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin! We were just talking about how well designed these Marlins are.
@steveoszman8746
@steveoszman8746 2 жыл бұрын
I have had over sized bore issues with some new made guns. Problems with new guns with poorly fitted parts, yes sir. Seems to me to keep cost down gun makers will always keep skilled Smith's like you in the work. God bless.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Sadly, quality control on today's mass-produced guns is far from what it was in days gone by.
@daveclemons1225
@daveclemons1225 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Love those old Marlins, expecially that caliber in 38-55. My old Ballard in that same caliber slugs about the same. I am using .382 diameter soft cast lead. Tightened those groups right up. keep up the good work! Always looking forward to your next video.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Great info. I was concerned that a .382 bullet wouldn't fit in the chamber, but yours obviously did and fixed the problem.
@Tex_I_Can
@Tex_I_Can 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all that you do! These videos are so informative.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching them!
@jimfrieze525
@jimfrieze525 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Mark. I like the way you diagnose problems and offer options to fix them. Hope to see you in the spring.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to it!
@bullseyedixon5660
@bullseyedixon5660 Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT RIDE SIR
@talisikid1618
@talisikid1618 2 жыл бұрын
Cinnabar, you have some great gunsmithing videos. Nice history & shooting content as well. Glad you post these.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear to like our channel.
@mikelambert2411
@mikelambert2411 2 жыл бұрын
In line with a few other comments, black powder seems to certainly help. I have a 76 in 40-60 that I tried to shoot 5744. It keyholed bad and wouldn't even stay on paper at 25yds. Black powder settled it down to a couple inches same bullets at the same bp velocity. Just gotta bump em up with BP I guess. I also had the same issue with a sharps. Washtub accuracy with 5744 at BP velocity. Same bullets 5/8inch groups at 175 yds with 2f goex ( the longest range i have here from my shop). I enjoy your videos very much and your ranch is spectacular. Looking forward to more in the future. Thank you.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip, Michael! I’ve suggested black powder and soft cast bullets to the owner to try to help him get it shooting better.
@Dwyer88
@Dwyer88 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful gun! Thanks for another great video brother!
@henrysara7716
@henrysara7716 2 жыл бұрын
Thank for taking the time to this great smithing video.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
You bet. Glad you liked it, henry.
@smibsid7646
@smibsid7646 2 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel , and I am impressed . I have a 93 , 38/55 and it is my favorite lever gun 😎👍
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Hope you enjoy the channel
@robertdunbar5854
@robertdunbar5854 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for another great and interesting video. Always look forward to them.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert!
@joelowery6919
@joelowery6919 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video! I love the trim looks of my Winchester '94 carbine but, my 336 Marlins seem to fit me so much better and I can get on target a lot faster.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe! There's something to love about all the old leverguns.
@guaporeturns9472
@guaporeturns9472 2 жыл бұрын
Same with me. The Marlins just come to my shoulder better. I love my 94s and 92s but the Marlins are my favorite. I have a Marlin 30-30 model 1936 , manufactured in that year that I love. Have a few other Marlins I love as well.
@rgsumpter
@rgsumpter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I was pleased to learn how you can check how much excessive headspace you have using tape. I currently have a 1995 in 30US model 1903 that would close on a field gauge. Using the tape I found out that it just barely closes and will not close with just 1 piece of tape. Now to look into what to do to take up the slack.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you're planning to shoot the gun quite a bit, I wouldn't be too concerned with headspace that's within .002". Just keep an eye on it. If it gets worse, you can have the barrel set back or I would have the locking block on an 1895 built up to move the bolt forward to get it into spec.
@rgsumpter
@rgsumpter 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 Thanks for the response. I do not plan to do a lot of shooting with it and what I do will be reloads that are on the lighter side loaded with cast buttles.
@luvtahandload7692
@luvtahandload7692 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting. Thank you!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad you liked it!
@dogbone1358
@dogbone1358 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Mark. Love the use of the old Army blanket! Would love to have an old Marlin cause it lacks the open side ejection port. Keep em coming!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Even though I collect Winchesters, I really like these old Marlins.
@drewledbetter526
@drewledbetter526 Жыл бұрын
The marlin does in fact eject from the side. That's what makes it better for a scope. Marlins are much better than those crappy winchester. 😀😉😫😱😨😐😍😰😵😁
@dogbone1358
@dogbone1358 Жыл бұрын
On the contrary, this Marlin is not a side eject.
@mitchbertone3809
@mitchbertone3809 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep them coming.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do!
@kencurtis508
@kencurtis508 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, sometimes the neck in the chamber is not large enough to allow you to use a bullet of the correct diameter for the bore. To check for this after loading the proper sized bullet I use your scotch tape trick and make one wrap around the cartridge neck and carefully chamber the round the remove it and check the tape for damage. It there’s no damage to the tape the I know there’s enough room for the case to expand and release the bullet. Had this problem with my 38/72 win. Mod.95. And can only use a .380 dia. Bullet. Powder coating can also help but bursts will hate that. Thanks for sharing.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing those great tips, Ken!
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mark, can I rent the shack behind you? I'll mow the lawn to earn my keep. What a beautiful view! Great video, as usual...thanks!!!
@larryeddings3185
@larryeddings3185 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, sir.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Larry!
@SixRoundsStudio
@SixRoundsStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Great film work and editing on this one Mark.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill! I've been trying to improve the quality of the videos. I just finished filming an episode with a lapel mic to try to improve the audio quality.
@SixRoundsStudio
@SixRoundsStudio 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 Yeah trust me...that will make a huge difference. Not sure what you are filming with (camera) but can make a couple suggestions from what I have learned filming "run and gun" style regarding mics. I have been enjoying watching your journey.
@Leverguns50
@Leverguns50 2 жыл бұрын
That was really interesting thanks for sharing
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@jeffryrichardson9105
@jeffryrichardson9105 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos thank you!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeffry!
@Northtide
@Northtide Жыл бұрын
I saved a '93 .32/40 Marlin from a pawn shop in Oceanside, Ca. in 1968. Best $125. I ever spent on a rifle. My #2 Son owns it now. Yes they can be a trial to your temper if you don't know their tricks.🤔
@oldiron3735
@oldiron3735 Жыл бұрын
Great video on the 93. Bummer deal about the large bore diameter.
@cameronmccreary4758
@cameronmccreary4758 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice work on the rifles! 😊 One can machine a new bolt.
@chrischiampo7647
@chrischiampo7647 2 жыл бұрын
Great Work Mark 😀😊 I’m Telling You I Sure Wish I Lived Near The Cinnabar I’d Be In High Cotton Working as Your Apprentice 😀 👍🏼
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the thought Chris. Try to find an old-time gunsmith near you and volunteer to help him when you have some free time. Great way to learn if a smith near you needs a hand.
@chrischiampo7647
@chrischiampo7647 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 Not Many Smiths In My Area 😐🙁 It’s a Lost Art. I’m a Mechanic on Cars n Trucks For the Past 30 Years I’m Pretty Good With Fixing Things I’ve Always Wanted To Be a Gunsmith 😀😊 Firearms are My Passion 😀
@FingerAngle
@FingerAngle Жыл бұрын
I have one from 1903. Shot it last week.
@will9357
@will9357 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I discovered your channel last night and I really enjoy it. However, I do have one question... how did you choose to make the new bolt match the rifle more closely?
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Will! Some secrets I don't divulge though. :)
@Leverguns50
@Leverguns50 2 жыл бұрын
What I found is softer bullets shoot more accurately because they’ll expand to fill up the bore
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. These were some 20-1 that I cast. Even softer may have worked better. Black powder may have helped bumped them up a little more as well.
@wbriggs111
@wbriggs111 Жыл бұрын
Hollow base bullets is the way I went on my 45 70 to make it zero.
@drewledbetter526
@drewledbetter526 Жыл бұрын
I prefer a marlin to a winchester. The way the action lifts the cartrage in the closing of the finger lever makes it superior. In my opinion 😵😨😐😱😫😉😰😍😀😁
@drummer0864
@drummer0864 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to know your location, the landscape is beautiful. I've been listening in the videos to see if you'd mentioned it, but haven't heard yet. My guess was north Colorado, or Wyoming, but it could a lot of places I guess.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, we’re in remote Southeastern Oregon, but it does resemble parts of the Rocky Mountain states. Thanks a bunch for watching the channel!
@terrywagner7551
@terrywagner7551 Жыл бұрын
New sub I really enjoyed this video I have a question not regarding the 1893 but can you tell me if Beartooth bullets is still in business and if not what happened
@toyotaBrad62
@toyotaBrad62 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, makes me want to get my 1894 38-55 out and go shoot it.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for the brass I used in this episode, Brad! Much appreciated.
@reecer6317
@reecer6317 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, maybe you need to go over to Henry Arms and show them how to fix their feeding problems on the Big Boy Steel models.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! Henry's on their own.
@user-in2xu3ne3z
@user-in2xu3ne3z 5 ай бұрын
Mark, would a paper patched bullet solve the problem with the oversized bore? Beautiful gun, great explanation of the headspace issue and keep making these great videos.
@mikeiturralde4910
@mikeiturralde4910 2 жыл бұрын
Cool
@JRMny-nl4ut
@JRMny-nl4ut 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I could give more then one thumb up... Good job. Bummer on the barrel.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks J.R.
@jeffreyhershey5754
@jeffreyhershey5754 2 жыл бұрын
I'd picked up a old model 93 in trade just barrel and action no wood or sights or anything else just action and barrel I traded it to a older guy who was just in love with it and he got a magazine tube and sights everything the old girl needed to put it back to shooting condition and then he drilled the barrel out and whatever else he needed to do and shot the old two and a half inch 410 shells in the gun couldn't tell you if it was a bp or a smokeless 93 always wondered what the reasoning was behind doing that I would think at that time back in the middle nineties you could have bought a 410 cheaper than ruining the old rifle but what jarred the memory was the caliber was the same 38-55
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Since I posted this episode, I've heard from several people about the 1893 Marlins in 38-55 with oversized bores. I suspect some old-timer couldn't get it to shoot well and just gave up and converted it to a shotgun. Too bad, but you could always have the barrel relined and make it a good shooter if you still have it.
@jeffreyhershey5754
@jeffreyhershey5754 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 I don't have it I had traded it off years ago and the fella made a shotgun out of it watching the video just happened to jog my memory and I recalled that incident
@jimh6763
@jimh6763 7 ай бұрын
Plasti-gauge for checking engine bearings works good for checking head space measurements
@neilkratzer3182
@neilkratzer3182 2 жыл бұрын
Surprise you didn't paper patch to maybe help slightly.
@jayclark7237
@jayclark7237 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a hollow- base bullet that might give Minie ball effect?
@MainePredator
@MainePredator 10 ай бұрын
I love your videos on those old Marlins and Winchesters , I have an old 1894 Winchester in 38-55 , the gun is in decent shape for its age , made in 1902 . The primers on some factory Winchester super x ammo I put through it always back out about a 1/32 . Do you think that's because of poor headspace and should I even be concerned shooting those low pressure rounds ?
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 10 ай бұрын
Yes. In order for the primers to back out, there's likely excess headspace. It's not uncommon for older firearms to have some excess headspace. It would tell you more if you could measure the protrusion of the primers in thousandths. 1/32" is .031" and that would be far too much headspace. You can also use the tape method I showed in this video with a spent cartridge to get a rough idea of your 1894's headspace. It's not as accurate as a headspace gauge, but it will give you a general idea if there's a problem.
@MainePredator
@MainePredator 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your reply Mark , I measured it and it is actually.017 thousands . Do you think that is acceptable ?
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 10 ай бұрын
That's a lot of headspace. .007" is listed as maximum safe headspace for an 1894. I'd advise taking it to a gunsmith to have it evaluated.
@MainePredator
@MainePredator 10 ай бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 Okay thank you for your knowledge and advice , I really appreciate it !
@richardespinoza6243
@richardespinoza6243 2 жыл бұрын
Also Note John Marlin use to work for Colt.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
That's right. I think he's often overlooked among the best firearms designers of the day.
@paulcallicoat7597
@paulcallicoat7597 2 жыл бұрын
If you have some old crusty bullets about 100 years old just shoot them without polishing them to get accuracy,eh? That's one to hang on the wall and buy a reproduction replica if you want a 38-55. There were guys hunting elk with them here in Washington back in the late '70's when I move here from the east coast. I shot one when I was a teen in the '60's up in Canada.The owner hunted moose with it and it killed over 30 with it.I used a 30'06 and it kicked a lot more than that old 38,lol. Surprising penetration for a slow bullet. Seen a 700# bull moose shot in the chest at about 100 yrds and the 255 grain bullet came out the ham.That was over 6 ft of bone,meat and guts.Dropped him dead on the spot,too.I never got that good of results from the '06.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! That's a great testimony to the 38-55.
@DeathMond.
@DeathMond. 2 жыл бұрын
No sound during into. Congratulations by the way on your business, im very envious.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch!
@micheallinderman481
@micheallinderman481 2 жыл бұрын
Mark, I have a Winchester 38-55 with feeding problems. I have talked to U before. waiting for U to get Ur license and all the stuff to work on weapons. Would IU work on my 38-55?
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry Michael! I'm having trouble keeping track of everybody I've talked to. I'd be happy to take a look at it for you. My contact info is on our website: www.cinnabargunworks.com
@gud2go50
@gud2go50 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Marlin 1894 in .44 Mag. My old eyes were having trouble with the buck horn sights, so I put on a rear peep sight, I ended up running the sight all the way to one side and still couldn't get it to sight in. So, I installed a Skinner barrel peep sight and was able to get it sighted in on target. However, you visually tell the receiver is chanted to the left slightly. Have you ever seen this before? I guess my rifle was built when Marlin was going thru their QA issues.☹
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
If I'm understanding it correctly, it sounds like the barrel was indexed slightly past center.
@gud2go50
@gud2go50 2 жыл бұрын
When I put the first peep sight on, it was mounted on the receiver and that is the one that was run all the way to one side. I also mounted a scope and red dot on the receiver and they both did the same thing, but when I mounted a rear peep sight on the barrel, I had no more issues. Sorry for the confusion.
@gud2go50
@gud2go50 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 I am not fond of scoped lever rifles, but if I want to hit anything, I just have to deal with it.
@matthalsey387
@matthalsey387 Жыл бұрын
Where can I find one of those right angle screwdrivers? I just picked up a 1893 and want to strip it down for cleaning
@oscardavis3906
@oscardavis3906 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Safety Model shipping date 1897
@markzimmerman7279
@markzimmerman7279 2 жыл бұрын
How would it be to use a paper patched slug to increase bullet diameter
@archiehendricks6093
@archiehendricks6093 10 ай бұрын
I remember paying twenty five cents for a gallon of gas.
@thompsonjerry3412
@thompsonjerry3412 2 жыл бұрын
Try paper patch bullets.
@jimkurk5575
@jimkurk5575 7 ай бұрын
if an 1893 30-30 take down barrel does not tighten up when assembled how is it tightened up?
@ziruk-king4466
@ziruk-king4466 2 жыл бұрын
How much do those marlins go for if you find one in a closet -- 30-30? Thanks from Wyoming
@asherdog9248
@asherdog9248 Жыл бұрын
I have been looking for 25-20 brass for 4 years. The only option I have found is lathe turned brass at $100 per 20. Yikes. I might be able to form some from 218 bee, it looks long enough, but the 218 isn't any easier to find.
@vanislandsteve
@vanislandsteve Жыл бұрын
👍🏻🇨🇦
@MainePredator
@MainePredator 2 жыл бұрын
Could you or anyone tell me why when I search my Marlin serial number around 6300 it comes up as saying it's an 1893 ?
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the model number or the year it was produced?
@MainePredator
@MainePredator 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 When I search the serial number it says it was produced in 1893 but the model number on the barrel reads model 36 A . There is no letter prefix before the four digit serial number , it looks like a set of deer hooves just before the serial number ???
@mikedesensi6391
@mikedesensi6391 2 жыл бұрын
ever think of paper patching the bullets?? for th3 38-55 marlin?
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike. That's a good idea! Alas, my task with this rifle was to correct the headspace. As much as I'd have liked to get it shooting accurately, it would have been an expensive and time-consuming process that would have been voluntary. I've passed on several options to the owner to try to help him get it shooting better.
@mikedesensi6391
@mikedesensi6391 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 I fully get it!, Im a machinist so I understand the cost/work/time thing
@dr.fidelius2905
@dr.fidelius2905 10 ай бұрын
That’s a great idea, also, maybe one could cast and wrap pure lead bullets which I believe expand well on game.
@douggreen6552
@douggreen6552 Жыл бұрын
Was that gun made for a papper patched cartridges of the time
@wilmamcdermott3065
@wilmamcdermott3065 2 жыл бұрын
I use homstead rifle parts
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
Me too! Unfortunately, some of their reproduction parts are very poor quality. However, you have to take a chance with them if you can't find the part somewhere else.
@wilmamcdermott3065
@wilmamcdermott3065 2 жыл бұрын
Fixed a 2535 replaced shell carrier should have changed. 94 breach block needed a bigger one thicker one
@michaelvalentine629
@michaelvalentine629 2 жыл бұрын
If you get hollow Base mold, problem will be solved,there is no other way"
@vinmow
@vinmow 7 ай бұрын
paper patch bullet maybe
@asherdog9248
@asherdog9248 Жыл бұрын
Marlin sure made a business mistake in droping the 1893 from their lineup. A second mistake was not to reintroduce it as a high end offering in the 1980s.
@finnegan9197
@finnegan9197 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I love your channel!!! use a service such as P r o m o S M!
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
What is that? I have to admit I'm not very well versed in high tech or social media, but I'm trying to learn. Thanks
@waynegiska4499
@waynegiska4499 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 great video as always. interested on what chemicals u used on the barrel crown and new bolt to recreate the patina? thanks Wayne from the C Lazy U Ranch
@mr.homelite8490
@mr.homelite8490 Жыл бұрын
Good evening, you be interested in working on my Marlin model 1889 made in 1890,it's chambered in 38-40. I believe it needs a new firing pin. Plz get back with me,Thank you sir, Gary
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 Жыл бұрын
I'm very sorry, but I'm not taking on any new projects presently.
@mr.homelite8490
@mr.homelite8490 Жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 no worries, I enjoy your videos
@oscardavis3906
@oscardavis3906 2 жыл бұрын
A man can never have enough tools. Like a woman can never have enough shoes.
@thecinnabar8442
@thecinnabar8442 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@oscardavis3906
@oscardavis3906 2 жыл бұрын
@@thecinnabar8442 I HAVE an 1893 Marlin SAFTEY nickel plated 38 - 55 >> shipping date 1897. I have yet to shoot it.
@bassboy6963
@bassboy6963 Жыл бұрын
Key holing terrible lol
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