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My favorite thing about PF2 is not having to worry about the Pnkerton Group breaking down my door and steeling my home-brew. Also, I hear they hate cats.

For me, the difference is this: Wotc wants you to give them money. Paizo wants you to play the game.

I’d assume the reason WotC didn’t provide their “secret sauce” is because they don’t have any. Everyone there is just taking turns throwing in spices until something vaguely palatable comes out. Otherwise, we’d be able to rely on their difficulty system.

Re: #3 for D&D - Pathfinder has retraining baked into the rules as written. If you miss a feat you wanted because you forgot to take a prereq, you can fix that during 'downtime'. And because of that, it's not that uncommon for GMs to just... let you do it between sessions.

Just turn your Kobolds into a swarm! Now you have a lot of low level monsters attacking as one higher level monster :D Bonus points if you give your Kobolds trenchcoats so they can attack in swarms of 3.

Something nuance I want to add is just how good Paizo adventures are written compared to recent WotC adventures. Most 5E adventure feel only half finished to me with the intention of, "Just make up the rest as you go." A lot of the encounters are weak and filler. The treasure is lackluster. They just feel like a ton of work! For Paizo's PF2 adventures I need minimum prep time because I can trust that I can nearly run it cold with how good the flow and pacing. I don't need to modify everything to fit the party, they are just great adventures as written for everybody.

PF2e offers solutions to some of the problems you mentioned: Bounded accuracy: There is a rule called "Proficiency wihtout level" in pf2e that subtracts level to all stats in the game. With this rule AC, for example, scales from ~14 to ~28 instead of from 14 to 54, giving you a greater breadth of encounters . Building characters: Pf2e has a mechanic called "Retraining" where you spend some downtime switching one of you class/skill/general feats for another they even allow you to switch learned spells and class features (although they mention it should take longer and maybe have some narritive implications). Adventuring day: While adventuring day is a thing in 5e and pathfinder 1e and not in pathfinder 2e I'd argue that adventuring day is most of the times a flawed metric. 5 medium encounters followed by an hard encounter is much different than 1 hard encounter followed by 5 medium. And all of this depends on the type of party of you have 5 martials can probably do more encounters than 5 wizards. As such pf2e opted for describring relative difficulty by saying for example that if you throw a sever encounter at your party " lack of resources due to prior encounters can easily turn a severe-threat encounter against the characters" and moderate encounters are described as being used to deplete resources so you should be mindfull of throwing sever encounters after multiple moderate encounters or your party will probably tpk. I think most of the times gms want a number to make them feel confortable even if the number is meaningless. Everything else I felt was well put, Great video 👍.

You might want to check out the Proficiency Without Level variant rule if you miss bounded accuracy, it keeps DCs contained between 15 and 30

Another big plus is that there is a steady flow of new content for PF2e.

You said what I've been saying about both systems since my group stopped playing 5th ed due to the OGL debacle. 5th ed is more difficult to GM, and Pathfinder 2e is more difficult for the player. My group initially gave a lot of pushback when I switched to Pathfinder 2e. It's been about 8 months now and they stuck with it and are having much more fun as they become more familiar with the rules.

18:18 Honestly D&D5 is *so* easy to play, that i'm geting *bored* of it; and *so* hard to GM that I nearly *rage-quit* several times.

A missed positive is that there's clear, official pricing on magic items and clear guidance on loot progression. And okayish rules for homebrewing items. Including neato relic items. Loot and loot progression is a vital part of this kind of game and 5e kinda expects you to figure it out on your own and only gives you broad pricing suggestions that aren't fine tuned. The 5e revision is allegedly going to change this though.

Speaking of leveling up, 5e has dead levels, where you make no choices about your character's progression. This is not true in P2, where every level you have a choice to make. This means characters of the same class and level in 5e are very much alike, and this is far less true in P2.

PF2e character levelling is generally _easier_ than 5e. Because you can, per the rules, take the new features out for a test drive. 5e does not allow retraining (I think there may be some "ask your GM" bit in there, but effectively, no). Pathfinder has a robust retraining system. If you, at level 7, realize you need something you passed over at level 4, you can spend a bit of downtime to swap that level 4 feature, and then take the level 7 feature you actually want. The only time this fails is if you are on an adventure chain without any downtime.

PF2 has pricing for magic items!!!

About your point regarding the Kobolds, while you can't throw them at high level players as is, they do give you the tools to make your own beefy versions relatively easily,like homebrew elite kobolds,kobold subraces or something similar as you mentioned about using the GMG to homebrew,thus scaling them up

I'm heading into the end-phase of my 5e campaign that has run for about 18 months now. I have taken a couple breaks due to IRL issues, but I am just burned out from the lack of DM tools that 5e provides. Creating encounters, trying to manage giving them meaningful loot when gold is useless and you don't want to go crazy with magic items. I am ready for a long break after. I have been looking into PF2 a lot lately, and everything about running the game as a DM sounds like a dream come true!! I am definitely going to give this system a shot when my turn in the DM rotation comes up again.

For me 5e has just enough rules to hang you without giving the dm proper support. If I want an easier game to intoduce people to the hobby I'm busing out a powered by the apoclypse game or Savage worlds. I've always found the lack of options in 5e to be a huge turnoff, even if it is technically easier. In Pathfinder, whether 1e or 2e, there is always a meaningful choice that you will be making for your character and that makes leveling exciting.

One other note with enemy variety, there's a template iirc for scaling up or down levels (beyond weak/elite) Also there's encounter builders that you just plug in the party's and enemy lvls until its the difficulty you want. Definitely agree on the d&d playerbase size being an advantage

Another thing that is really understated in my opinion is loot. Every players loves getting loot. The best part of defeating something like a dragon is going into the dragon horde and giving it the Scrooge McDuck treatment. But what items do you put into that horde? The 5e DM guide has random tables, but I have not found them to be not that great. (Just my opinion mind you) In addition, there are several wondrous items in 5e that are, quite frankly, game breaking. What you would want a level 5 party to have and what you would want a level 15 party to have are very different. As an example, The ring of animal influence is the same rarity as wand of firewalls. But in Pathfinder 2e, every item, from healing potions to poisons to magic scrools to magic items all have an item level. There is a singular cost per item, not a 500-2500 GP per item range or whatever that rarity calls for. And those items are very level appropriate, so you don't have a +2 sword that only grants a +2 to attack and damage being the same potential cost as a wand of power. Plus with the archive of nethys you can sort by item level. So you want your level 5 party to get some magical loot. Just sort by item leel 4-6, and boom. Items hands to players, happy players, while also being ease of work on the GM. Win-Win.

I started a homebrew campaign of pathfinder recently. I love playing as an investigator. Intelligence is actually useful in this game and I can play a character who search information about ennemies and play smart. Also I'm a skill monkey with 6 languages. I also played a fighter in a oneshot before that. The fighter in pathfinder is so strong and fun to play.

This video was so thoughtful from top to bottom. You did such an excellent job of laying out both of the systems strengths while airing out some of their issues. I love 5E for getting me into the hobby, but as a chronically ill person who loves to GM PF2E is my system of choice. As you mentioned in near the end of the video, it's a system that is much easier to run, while being a bit more difficult for players. PF2E encounter building and magic loot with levels and costs let's me spend my energy on telling a compelling narrative rather than desperately trying to balance the game. :) As for PF2E vs 5E for new players. I play with a good number of 50-70 year old players and I've found those older players have a much easier time grasping 3 actions than action/bonus/move. That's just my experience though, every group is different. ♡

the more I'm GMIng and playing PF2 the more I love how the fights are balanced. As example I could pull a lvl 1 T-Rex boss and it felt so, some PCs were Koed but none died, same later with a lvl3 green drake. So satisfying! :)

Alle the campaigns i run in 5e finished. And i did the switch to PF2 for my in person group. The online group will switch after one of the players has run his few shot in 5e, but we did some combat test/learning rounds. Starting PF2 was a bumpy road, even after reading the rules multiple times i had to look up a lot. But it's starting to get better quickly and the player feedback ist great, they like what PF2 offers so far. For the in person round: I started with the beginner box, and switch to abomination vaults afterwards. My 5 players where level 2 at this point, the module starts at level 1 and is balanced for 4 players. Tanks to the XP encounter building it was so easy to alter the encounters for 5 level 2 players. Make monsters elite, add a monster,... I struggle the most with the monsters, while in dnd most of the just do one thing every round like melee or ranged attacks, except for casters. In PF2 they have a lot more options, attacks with cool features or combo attacks. If i have one enemy type no problem, but if i have 3 different types of enemy's it's a lot to handle and i have to read there stat block again and again. btw. I'm still a player in 2 5e groups. One level 10 one level 12...i'm not afraid of any encounter knowing how hard it is to challenge players in this system. That kills all excitement i have for combat.

It always feels weird to me when people put forward Bounded Accuracy and its implications as a positive. Maybe it's that my formative D&D style fiction was all very high fantasy, early Forgotten Realms and Dragonlance and such, but high level adventurers SHOULD find an encounter with kobolds to be trivial. Low level adventurers faced with a CR 18 demon SHOULD feel helpless and get obliterated if they try to fight. The fact that your level 2 fighter's attacks just bounce off a Great Wyrm Red Dragon's scales and nothing you can do will change that is a feature, not a bug.

4th edition...it has it all! Math, encounter creation, treasure, character customization/options, near-infinite resource support....try it, love it, share it!

Your comment about PF being easier than 5e... I found the same thing with Savage Worlds. I ran 5e for almost 3 years, and never felt like I had a complete grasp of the system. I've run Deadlands (Savage Worlds) for a few months, and I already feel like I have full grasp of it. Running it, making encounters, prepping, everything is so much easier in SWADE than in 5e... I think some of the ease your seeing is PF, and some of it is just how disorganized and badly written/designed 5e actually is.

As a PF2e content creator, it's always refreshing to see how some people who have clearly loved ttrpgs/5e perceive the system. I want to hear that feedback/opinion on the things I love so I can see what needs improving.

I think that there are two missed benefits for each system here. A benefit that you missed for PF2 is how baked in treasure and magic items are. You have pricing for magic items that make sense, and tables that show yuo how much exactly of each should PC's have in every step of their journey from levels 1 -20, without having to make up prices on the fly or relentlesly worry about giving too much\too little. A benefit for 5e that's important to add is how easy it is to mod. The rules are often very vague and lacking, but since the core of the system (Advantage\Disadvantage, bounded accuracy, simple combat mechanics, etc..) its very easy to come up with your own verison of mechanics or tweek existing ones to suit your tatstes as a GM if you have the time. Meanwhile, PF2 has very fleshed out systems for most cases, but if you DO find something that's lacking and try to alter it, the amount of additional variables and chance of causing unforseen consequences is far higher. This extends to the creaiton of PC facing homebrew content or the inclusion of 3rd party content. In 5e, the number of options you need to take into account when trying to asses the balance of such content is limited, and so are the number of combinations. This is unlike PF2 where the massive customizbility can lead to otherwise innocuous additions creating unintended busted combos.

I tend to run simpler systems like Castles and Crusades, but if I were to go high crunch I’d go with PF2E. Paizo is such a good company and their adventure paths are very well written. Unfortunately, none of the 2E APs have gotten me excited to play them like the 1E APs did. I hope they do some more conversions in the future. Rise of the Runelords or Crimson Throne 2E would be amazing.

19:10 the thing is pathfinder 2 doesn’t need a adventuring day chart (Minus spell-caster spell slots of which there are many and can get more with items). Healing is functionally trivial out of combat as long as at least one player it trained properly in medicine and they are not constantly being attacked. I guess you COULD have some kind of chart saying hey have this many encounters planned for a day but the thing is because encounters are balanced so well to have different difficulty levels there could be 12 trivial difficulty encounters that don’t require the wizard to use a single spell slot or 2 extreme encounters which drain most of them. It’s more just a game master thing to get a feel for how many resources their players are using and balancing for the future to make sure you don’t go overboard. At the same time, PLEASE don’t throw more than 2 extreme encounters at your players in a day unless your players are VERY well versed in the game and are trying to maximize their parties capabilities.

The reasoning of certain monsters being too powerful in Pathfinder is mended by being able to make that monster at lower levels.

D&D 5e is my system of choice. I haven't tries Pathfinder 2, but there are some good ideas in it, like the way you "multiclass" (or not) and the the better Game balance I high levels, but I don't feel any need for crunchier rules or more tactical combat. If I wasn't playing in game and someone asked me to me in their Pathfinder 2 game I would probably accept, but it would be something that I would seek out or start myself.

In online discussions I've had there are DMs who love the fact 5E lack rules on things. They want to make rulings as they see fit. They don't want the game to tell them what to do. If as a player you (me) complain this means lack of consistency on how the game works based on who is DM that day, they say too bad for you, get over it and play something else if it bothers you so much.

I like the idea of PF2 use of abilities/skills key words which seems like it can help players/gms know if they interact or not at a quick glance. I havent played PF2 yet thats why I say I like the idea and that it "seems like it can help".

If anyone would rather go in the other direction in terms of complexity, I'd reccomend giving Fate Core or Dungeon World a try. They can do a lot with just a little, is how I'll put it.

I am really trying to learn the rules for PF2E. The one thing what I enjoy is if you roll 10 below or above it is a crit or success. But, one thing I didn't think about is unbound AC level scaling. That is a good tip

cats in a video are a +2 circumstance bonus on persuasion checks

There are things about both 5e and PF2e I really like, and there are things I find less enjoyable. I found my drug however with Enworld's Level Up Advanced 5e being a good mix of the two systems. However the three action economy of PF2e is sooooooooo good, I just love it

Ive played both D&D and pathfinder quite a bit. I DM'd 3.5, 5e, pf1e, and pf2e. D&D 5e (TO ME!!!) feels like a non-game. its too rules light and my bigger issue is that combat feels stale mainly because of the attack of opportunity. Pf2e has become my favorite game system. Character creation is satisfying, combat is deep and enjoyable, and rules are in depth and takes the pressure off the DM to make the game.

Appreciate this not just being pure praise for one and dunking on the other. Being fair to both systems gives everyone an opportunity to weigh what each individual prefers. Like I've been wanting to run a Pathfinder campaign, but can't find any local players.

While I think the Advantage/Disadvantage system in D&D is fun, I don't think it is actually simpler than the bonuses in PF2E in practice. I'm practice, the players just try to work the mechanics in unintuitive ways to manipulate the roles.

Can you elaborate on the challenge rating bit? Because in the same video, you say challenge rating is easier in PF 2E... But that picking the right number of creatures and the right kind of creature is easier in 5e, and that PF 2E not having guidelines for how long an adventuring day should be, is a bit hazardous. So I'm kind of curious how to reconcile those two things

13:05 there are rules for the dm to use that can “level up” creatures to make them more appropriate for different PC levels keeping them relevant if they are too low or too high

The paizo adventure paths have always been 10 steps ahead of any other system ive played. Quest for the Frozen Flame is quickly becoming my favourite adventure to date.

I enjoyed D&D 5E until I started playing PF2. It's easier to GM and Easier to play once you wrap your head around the differences. Also, it feels good at every level of play. They had the benefit of coming out after 5E and avoided the pitfalls that 5E fell into.

Great video! I've seen a few other comments about some of your thoughts on PF2e and thought I'd throw my thoughts in the ring as well to see if they help with a different perspective. Bounded accuracy - While 5e does assume low level enemies can still "technically" be a threat at higher levels, in practice I've not found this to actually be the case. Once the players get sufficiently high enough HP, Magic Items, and especially more powerful Spells then even large hordes of Goblins become trivial. For example. A level 11 Subclassless Fighter, with a likely 20+ AC and around 90 HP can by themselves likely take on more than 20 Goblins and only reach about 1/3 of their HP. To your point, Pf2e does include a method low level enemies to be relevant at higher levels AND reinforce the power fantasy - Troops. With Troops the PCs aren't facing a group of individual Goblins, rather the entire Tribe. Highly reinforcing the power fantasy and keeping "Goblins" relevant for the kind of stories you would want to tell at high levels. Advantage/Disadvantage. On the surface it is absolutely an easy system, however it breaks down when you consider both how trivially easy it can be to get Advantage, that any amount of Adv/DisAdv cancel any amount of the other out, how it trivializes the impacts of debuffs and things like poisons, and how mathematically it often just means success or failure on the roll and removes most of the tension. In addition, 5e still has various floating modifers to potentially track, from Cover, Bless, Bane, Bardic Inspiration, Fighting Styles, Rage, Sneak Attack, etc. Simplified character creation/missing out on prerequisites. No denying this for the most part. But it's worth noting that the simplicity comes with downsides of having less access to specific kinds of fantasies, notably for Martials, being locked behind Subclasses and Feats, which do DO need to plan for or else miss. Multiclassing also creates a conundrum where you need to plan out specific levels to multiclass for when you sacrifice other features. As for missing things, retraining is a core rule in the system that is much more accessible than in 5e, and kind of expected to be a tool for this reason. Easier for new TTRPG players. I can't speak to your experience, but having introduced players to Pf2e, the 3 action economy and clearly delineated Encounter/Exploration/Downtime mechanics took only a session for my new Pf2e players to wrap their hands around. The rest is no different than me running 5e, they ask me if they can do something, I say if and how they can, and at least in Pf2e the rules clearly define those things for me. Adventuring day. I would say that my experience with 5e's adventuring day NECESSARILY boiling down to a resource attrition game is very unsatisfying. It forces me to build a specific pace for the adventure so the encounters feel like they should, means that the game bounces between rocket tag and hide behind the shielded Fighter, and removes a lot of agency myself and my players have for going off the rails and doing something different. In Pf2e I don’t have to worry about imbalanced encounters, how many resources the party has (as much), just creating cool and engaging encounters for them. As a bonus point, the experience system in Pf2e makes building the cadence for a level and leveling up TRIVIALLY easy. I know EXACTLY how many encounters I can throw at them between levels, and can explicitly build out methods for the players to gain experience that they can pursue on their own terms, without worrying about the pace of the adventure.

My biggest gripe with DnD5e which made me essentially quit the system... you can counterspell a counterspell, in the middle of casting a spell.....

I strongly dislike pathfinder 2 but I don’t like 5e either. I respect your insight though and you present it in a informative way but if I could offer some very very harsh criticism… Put the cats on screen more 😂😂

What do you think about preset settings? For example Golarion vs Forgotten Realms

The hardcover book version you held up in your hands looks so good, Luke! 👍

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It is possible to throw low level creatures against high level parties and vice versa in P2e. On the Archives of Nethys when looking at a creature there should be an option that says proficiency without level, this will give you a level 0 version of the monster and you only need to add the level you want it to be to all the numbers in red. You can always use down time in PF2e to retrain certain bits of your character, skills, I think feats are included in this as well. Also learning spells during downtime is very helpful.

Experienced Pathfinder 2e GM Advice: One "On Level" Monster = Two PCs (when building a "Moderate" encounter). That mental math has saved me so much planning time!

Interesting that a lot of the 5e problems were already solved in 4e (easy To GM, Tactics, encounter balance, ease of monster creation, mult-classing/dual-classing, clear and concise rules, etc.) But people didn't want that in 2008.

But how easy is it for dms? Do i have to remember a ton of rules or is it more player side? In my games i only memorize rules that i need but not rules on players stuff like classes and races. Im afraid that with it being so crunchy it will slow down the game looking up rules or rule lawyers will be a headache

Twitch is a big boi! Adorable! Also, yes, I switched to PF2E and won’t be going back to run 5E anymore.

More people need to try Pathfinder2e and really take the time to learn it and give it a chance.

I don't understand most of the things you said, but you sound so happy about it, that maybe I will give it a shot. My kid is the one that love 5e and run it for his friends. I ran it like 2 times long time ago and was fine, not my thing. I still love the original Pathfinder and tho I always run my own campaign worlds, Pathfinder's Campaign World was very interesting.

just curious what you or the comunity thinks about PF 3.5? I have a game starting first of next year and i have played D&d 3.5e and enjoyed it i havent had time to dig into the PF rule set yet.

Thank you, this video made me more interested in Pathfinder and the resources you provide!

Have you looked at Proficiency without Level for 2e? Is basically bounded accuracy for 2e

Yeah, Luke, I'm one of those people who don't dip Warlock, but play them as single classed. Why? Because they're the most customizable class in the game, and have great subclasses like Fiend, Celestial, Fathomless and Genie. I'm aware of the charop discussion, but if the class wasn't so customizable in the first place, it wouldn't be so attractive as a 2 level dip at all.

i started with Pathfinder 2nd edition and i have to say it was a horror to get into. We just recently switched to DnD 5e since we are only 2 left of the group who are familiar with pathfinder and 3 completely new players to the hobby. So we decided as a group to switch to DnD 5e just so it easier to get into for the new ones and i myself am a first time GM and makes this way easier. (our old DM for pathfinder moved away so we didnt have him to introduce the new players). I really have to say DnD 5e is jsut way easier to play with inexperienced players.

Interesing point, but I actually think that Bounded accuracy is what make DnD worse then PF2, as it blur away difference between levels. The big source of PF2 balance that is how level increase your accuracy and damage and PF2 crit system nail it even more. What it does is that at DnD main problem with balance is action economy as 100 rats will crush level 5 party same way as party crush single boss. But with AC/attack scaling number of fighters become less decided point compare to quality of combatant. BTW "adventage disadventage" is not so simple because you could have also: • Elfish accuracy feat • Bless or Bane +- 1d4 • Feat bonus -5/+10 • Magic weapon cast etc And remember, there is no disadvantage for shooting long distance if you do this from cloud of darkness! Yes, if you not see enemy there easier to hit them. DnD simplification is big big pain.

Amazing video!

Usually I'm huge AD hater and immediately skip integrations But here you had an exceptionally good one, this how all ads should be - right about the topic and useful. Not like watching drag racing video and being fed with gold club ads. And good vid enjoyed watching, was considering what system to try out.

take this as someone who has played over 100 sessions of 5e and who is nearly 30 sessions in a pf2e campaign ... pros of 5e over pf2e: 1) bounded accuracy not much more to be said I would only add that bounded accuracy allows players to better flex their character builds to stay ahead of the curve where as in pf2e, you are pretty constrained in terms of power creeping with every level gained sure you get "stronger", but so does everything else but if I can get a +8 to rolls at character levels 3-5 and up to +10 at levels 7-10, then my roll performance will stay well within a comfortable margin to get success in the 5e system I really only have to worry about getting a under 6 roll to fail in a trivial matter and yet maybe still succeed with a roll of 8 in say a standard encounter and for combat purposes, being at +7 or +8 to hit up to level 10 will give a player a high rate of success for CR mobs of that 1-10 range this is not so in a pf2e game where many types of rolls have to hit 18+ DC values as low as level 2 and this isn't even accounting for the MAP, which reduces turn performance even further 2) advantage / disadvantage this is less about making the "math" simpler, and more about giving players more direct influence in actions / reactions being taken because in the pf2e system, nearly every roll made is a single uncontested roll and THAT changes the entire dynamic of turn based encounters sometimes you can't even force an opposing roll at all as you are rolling to hit a target DC of 10 +mob level +proficiency level +save value however with advantage, the player can better influence the odds of them succeeding on a specific action because you aren't relying on a single roll with marginal factors and/or trying to force an opponent to fail theirs via disadvantage with enemy mobs instead sitting pretty with their higher than average target DC because rolling more d20s is gonna give you more favorable results long term than the 1s 2s that pf2e is designed around so what paizo did to "balance" combat in pf2e was say "F it" and removed swing ratios from said equation and players were thrown a bone with a bunch of +1s and +2s that will take levels to build up on and only 1 reliable way to pull off a negative factor against an opponent which can be applied vice versa against the player side and at better statistical odds ... because "balance" that is one of the biggest miffs I have with pf2e is that it severely limits us on roll interaction not to mention the f-ing blind rolls, but won't get into that here 3) character creation being easy I have the exact opposite viewpoint in this comparison of 5e characters to pf2e 5e may seem basic but you get more effective versatility in character builds than in their pf2e counterparts and I think this is one of the core differences in the two systems I would describe 5e as a unpolished gem whereas pf2e is more of a finished cut in a set arrangement I would also contend in saying the homebrewing is actually easier in 5e than in pf2e because 5e is more of a "sandbox" and pf2e has a more restrictive ruleset in what you can and cannot do and in this more open environment, 5e players are able to break from the proverbial mold alot more efficiently granted, a pf2e character ends up with more "feats" and there is way more skills and actions to choose from however the 5e character will still have more "optimal" feats, skills, and actions in a side-by-side comparison what happens as an end result is that you as a 5e player "feel" stronger you're confident when you are rolling that d20 if pf2e - on every single roll made - it feels like it is a veritable coin flip because you know the target DC is gonna need atleast a 10 on the die, if not a 13-15 minimum AND that feeling remains throughout the course of a campaign however the aggravating thing is the mobs in pf2e that are of your encounter level have way higher mods and sometimes skills that ignore MAP thus you get into games where an entire party can roll and "miss" every action they make in a single round, yet the enemy mob "crits" on their 3 actions taken 4) massive player base I wouldn't necessarily call this a plus but I find that pf2e is a very friendly game to newcomers as someone who only ever played 5e prior, I had no problem at all learning this system the only thing I found taxing was being limited to the 3-action economy and having to keep MAP in mind turn-to-turn 5) adventuring day mechanic and again, I have the exact opposite opinion on this I find pf2e has a way easier adventure day compared to 5e it is mostly because spellcasting is nerfed in the general with some of it re-tooled into the focus system that it makes recovering post-fight a much quicker process in 5e, one would need atleast an uninterrupted hour to even get a short rest but in pf2e, it's just 10 mins and keeping a tab on medicine check timers also pf2e has a way better "adventuring" system delegated to tasks characters can take on when entering a map aka the exploration mode where a list of activities can be selected and attempted to be done in 5e, players are pretty much just winging it and sticking to what their best skill roles are

I have become an avid PH2e convert. I really love that as GM I can actually design encounters to act as expected. There is even some help adding in hazards with monsters - fun fun!

I was playing 3.5 and later PF 1ed, and I loved them. Then I took a longer break and I dive into 5e and the simplicity of it bought me. Character creation was easier, I was actually able to enjoy classes other than fighter/barbarian/rogue (I finally fell for wizard and sorcerer), and for me trying to het to PF2 was like strpping back to 3.5 and I did not like it. I stayed with 5e (without most of add ons), and I really always enjoyed lvls 1-6 the most, and those are really nice in 5e (yeah especialy after 3 when you get spec).

Is there a way to use DnD modules for PF2? That would be ideal for me.

I love the mechanics of multiclassing in P2e, but I dislike how feats are no longer as useful as they were in P1e. So next campaign, we're back to P1e.

I might be missing something, but if this is part 2 where is part 1 I can't seem to find it

PF has always struck me as a game made for D&D players who have come to want more out their game system than the current edition offers. It's like the AMG version of your Mercedes, the Abarth to your Fiat. Just that little bit of extra flair and power and finesse, but still fully featured. Except PF's all free. An upgrade for free, and you don't even have to buy the original to get it. Amazing!

I personally like warlock dipping, it fits the narrative of a pact being that temping powerup that seems so easy and free, but it doesnt matter if you take 1 level in warlock or 20 you are still bounded to a pact

I haven’t played pathfinder 2. It sounds like fun but I don’t think I could get my group to play it. My current plan is to run my 5e campaign then afterwards do two to three one shots of a few different ttrpgs then back to 5e

Of the D&D 5e starter sets, I've played LMoP and DoIP. Both were really good for newb players and DMs, IMO. Is there a comparable adventure path for newbs for Pathfinder that is so widely loved? Could be that there are some and I simply haven't heard about it due to my 5e focus. Where do you recommend the PF2 newb starts?

The comparisons between both games are easy to make, but for me, I've accepted that both games have their strengths and weaknesses. My choice of system will depend on the style & length of game I want to play (I love doing one-shots and short self contained adventures).

I just finished my 1kth hour of BG3 and saw there is a Pathfinder game on steam. This clears a lot, thank you

I've only been playing 5e for about a year, before I always played 3.5 or pathfinder 1, and I found that 5e feels like it is designed more for a low fantasy setting where there is some magic and magic items but it doesnt become a high magic spell fest like pathfinder 1

Pathfinder confuses me, ive only done cursory looks at their website and do they not have modules/adventures like 5e does?

I run pf2e using foundryvtt. I love the system but i dont think i could run it without all the automation that foundryvtt does

From D&D, the impression I get is that it reached its apex with 3.5E, and then it's all been downhill from there. PF2 seems worth checking out.

I can't figure out which books are needed to play PF.

Playing Pf2e in person is way harder (got a Initiative tracker to handle Pathfinder). Do online Pf2e is easier than 5e due to system not require module to function unlike 5e. So happy for my In-person group for playing Pf2e while we waited for Shattered Obelisk and seem some is excited for The Season of Ghost AP :) BTW Luke how is the Battle Zoo too your right?

At 2:08 we clearly see in the "scary math visual" the numbers -(1^3)/3, and the square root of 2/2. Which are pretty silly things to write down. I approve.

Where can i find your t-shirt? I love it

Running the encounter for a while, it works easily in multiple dimensions to make it one step easer or one step harder. - Extreme encounter: if a monster uses tactics and the party is also tactical, there is a 50/50 chance the monsters die, and a 50/50 chance the party dies. (TPK) One level X monster, one level X PC: Extreme encounter - Reduce the level of the monster by 1-One level X-1 monster, one level X PC: Severe encounter Similarly for a full party, it scales the same: - As a base for comparisons: Four level X monsters, four level X PCs: Extreme encounter - Reduce the level of the monster by 1-Four level X-1 monsters, four level X PCs: Severe encounter - Reduce the amount of monsters by 1-Three level X monsters, four level X PCs: Severe encounter - Increase the amount of PCs by 1-Four level X monsters, five level X PCs: Severe encounter - Apply the Weak template to the monsters-Four level X Weak monsters, four level X PCs: Severe encounter Do this multiple times, or pick and choose multiple bullet points, and you get to moderate-easy-trivial.

Game system: bounded accuracy PC: laughs in 30 ac build xd

Thanks laying out the differences. It helped me understand Pathfinder better.

i'm a pathfinder one e person but everything you say is spot on in my experience😊

Dude I am so happy for pathfinder as a person who has been playing Dingeons and dragons since 3.0. and just switching over for the first time it is so much better for my personal taste. Playing the game, creating and balancing out encounters is so much better. I seen that I can actually concentrate on the story instead of the rules, and how things are. My opinion I’m not coming back to D&D. To me pathfinder is for those enjoying the actual world and story. It is fun and a lot better to know each class comes and has its things which make it better. No one will be a better skill monkey than a rogue. Each class has what they are good at. The game action mechanics are more rounded. Overall I’m happy with my switch and thank you for your videos have a lovely day

I would love to see the comparisons go more broad throwing in more competition to 5e. Runequest seems to require setting investment from players. What other games are currently out producing new content, have a good amount of material available now and allow a flexibility of play styles?

stil here playing 3.5 and pathfinder 1st edition...jejeje

Bounded Accuracy and "no crunchy" is a must for me.

The part about too many decisions leveling up is something I don't get. In pf2e on average is takes like 4 sessions to level up, you have like a month overall and 12ish hours of gameplay to think about what you want to pick

to be fair, most of the pathfinder players out there don't seem to think that building to 20 before you start is a good idea with the amount of retraining you can do, and with most of the choices being relegated more to playstyle than power, i've always found it much easier to choose abilities as i level up, and i find that i would deviate a lot from a 1-20 build i pre-made in advance it does still mean you have to choose thing at level up, but i mean. to me, it's better phrased as "you get to choose things when you level up" i guess it's a matter of taste

Okay this caught me off guard. Will their be another session of your pf2e game or did life catch up with everyone/peoplenlost interest?

Gotta love the new license that's "...available online at various locations." :P