***** I agree. That's why I love Michael Fassbender's performance as Steve Jobs because even though he looks nothing like him he absolutely nailed his personality and mannerisms.

He was probably incapable of doing a passable Swedish accent and a better alternative to trying to do a bad one is simply leaving it out altogether.

The question is, why would Craig try to put on any accent at all? I really don't understand this Hollywood fixation with fake accents. I mean think about it: when do people speak with foreign accents? When they speak a language that's not their own. Does Blomkvist speak English? In the film, yes. In universe? No, he speaks SWEDISH! Having him do any accent would assume that the in-universe Blomkvist speaks with an accent _while_ speaking Swedish which makes absolutely zero sense at all. Assume the content of this channel was dubbed into German: would you expect the guy providing a German voice for The Dom to put on an English accent? No, because that's not the point of this show. And neither was in the case of this story that was written by a Swede and for all audiences. In the end, you'd only end up being distracted by the fact that Craig speaks broken English. In a nutshell: a Swedish emigrant coming to America speaking English with a Swedish accent? Fine. A Swede talking to another Swede in perfect English in a land full of Swedes while the audience is aware that the language they're conducting their conversation in is supposed to be Swedish rather than English? Absolutely fine as well. The fluent, accent-free Swedish of the book is transformed into the fluent, accent-free English of the movie. It's as simple as that.

I don't understand why anyone would put on an accent in the first place. They're not all walking around actually speaking English, it's just being​ translated.

@@yarpen26 👏👏👏

In Mexico (and I believe also in the Spanish publication) the book goes by "Los hombres que no amaban a las mujeres" which translates to 'The Men who didn't love the women"

In Croatia, too.

In the Netherlands too (I think)

In Poland they left the original title as well

@@AndyG94 Yes, same in Spain.

To be fair, Stellan Skarsgård had that weiner-clause for a looong time before Nyquist, so it's kind of passing the torch in a way ^^

It honestly makes me really wish that he could have directed Films for the next 2 books in the series, to at least catch, to at least cap off the trilogy

@@davidgentry8982 instead they skipped over to the fourth book, which not only is fucked because the story makes no sense, but because that book ruined the entire message Larsson was portraying in the trilogy and his family fucked over his partner for the rights, only to turn around and sell it to the highest bidder

I think the book starts her story at 19 or 17? The section explaining her past with the authorities and basically why she ends up in the government's custody. That may have caused some confusion.

NinjaInConverse um, no. The book hints at her past and the events that happened when she was 13 and younger but very subtle. Her first appearance in the book is when she is a full-grown woman, working for a security company. Appart from some vague references to her past thats all. Maybe he is confused, because Lisbeth LOOKS like a teenage girl with her slender figure and short height.

She’s 24 in the first book. It flat states her age in the chapter she’s introduced.

Eh, movies have teenagers played by 23-year-olds all the time. It's a natural mistake to make. (Poe's Insurance: This is a joke.)

It's called 'Grooming.' I mean, honest mistake, mate. ......cough cough

But it’s not a good title.

What's really strange to me is that they chose to name the English translation after Salander. It's not unusual to name a book after the protagonist, but she is only one of the viewpoint characters. The book is half told through her point-of-view and half told through Blomkvist's point-of-view so completely ignoring one of the protagonists with the title is bizarre at best. The best part of the title "Men Who Hate Women" is that it clearly states the themes of the book. All of the male characters harbour at least one misogynistic belief that damages their relationship with women. In Blomkvist's case, it's his misogynistic beliefs about fatherhood which have caused his relationship with his daughter to be distant, and he's more of (in Dom's words) "a man whore" in the book and seems incapable of having a healthy relationship with a woman.

@@justincoleman3805 At least it's relevant to the themes and plot of the novel rather than just sounding catchy. If it was called "Men Who Hate Women," I bet I'd be able to remember what it's about far more easily; instead, I need to search for a summary or similar every time I hear it referenced.

Gail Bull in his defense he seems to be the only male character who openly acknowledges his own shortcomings and at least tries to make up for it, he’s not perfect, but he knows it and his acknowledging of how damaging this is puts him leagues above people like Martin who see no problem with what he does or worse revel in them

@@Stormkrow280, I'm not condemning the character. Far from it. Stieg Larsson (the author of the books) wanted to give an elbow to the ribs to all the men who thought of themselves as feminists but still held some misogynistic beliefs that damage the relationships in their lives. But Larsson also believed that people can change and become better. Over the course of the 3 books, Blomkvist slowly becomes more aware that his womanizing has not only cost him a marriage and prevented him from having a healthy romantic relationship with a woman, but has also damaged his relationships with other men (his brother-in-law and Erika's husband specifically). By the end of the third book, he has broken off his sexual relationship with Erika to begin a stable relationship with a woman who seems like a good match for him. His character arc over the 3 books is one of a man with feminist principles who is learning how to identify where he falls short of his ideals, and how to unlearn misogynistic beliefs so he can have better relationships with both the men and women in his life. That character arc wouldn't be possible if he didn't start off with misogynist beliefs that were damaging his relationships with both men and women.

+dave jackson Heh, given that both films caaaaaaaaaaaaaarefully avoid the key reveal of Eli's actual...erm...identity...

+dave jackson Were the movies based off of a book? I've only seen the Swedish version and I loved it so much that I don't want to bother with the American version. I don't know if it did well here or not.

They're based off the horror novel "Låt den rätte komma in" (translated into English: "Let The Right One In") by Morrissey-fan John Ajvide-Lindqvist. Neither is especially faithful, and they both leave out several HUGE plot details, but the American one is set in the US, so...

Awakeandalive1 I should see if it's available in English and pick up a copy

It is! So are most of his books, I think. It's his most famous work, but not my favorite. There's some subject matter I just don't enjoy in there. *shudder* I understand why they left some of it out of the films, but it does change the tenor of the story.

+GirlintheSea Yeah, the German titles completely sucked. At that time, giving thrillers pseudo-Biblical/ philosophical names was a huge fad in Germany for some reason. They also did that, for example, with every Elizabeth George novel.

RPGFan I'm not really into thrillers ('The Millenium Series' is a big exception) but I totally believe you. I especially hated the title of the third novel, 'Vergebung'. It had zero to do with the story imo.

Max Nyström How'd figure?

Max Nyström link?

Max Nyström you don't know how to copy and paste?

I tried to watch that because Branagh and couldn’t get through it...

I disagree. I didn't think there was anything about Blomkvist that was particularly feminine, furthermore I never thought of Lisbeth as completely mature. She did usually have a level headed attitude but some times she just a came off as too angsty.

What do you mean by the Swedish mentality, and how does this tie to the m/f role bit other than being in one movie and not in the other? Just curious.

I'm Swedish too and I think it's how we in Sweden generally have a soft approach to many things, it's difficult to explain because it's a really subtile part of our culture and shows mostly in our real-life behaviour. But to try to express part of it I guess it's how there's less difference between male and female behaviour here than what you see in other countries, and our gender roles aren't as segregated. For example, men are expected to be gentle and nurturing towards others to a higher degree than what you see from non-scandinavian countries (especially in their relationships and families) which you can see in Blomkvist relationship with his wife and Lizbeth. He doesn't show any interest in trying to dominate Lizbeth or assert himself as surperior in any way, which is why she comes to trust him. Basically he's one of the men in the story who doesn't hate women and both sees and treats them as his equals (especially Lizbeth herself). Likewise, grown women can be rougher and be in more control than what you'd typically see from other cultures without it being "unfeminine" or it being a bad thing to be unfeminine. To be honest this is mainly true among middleclass adults though, way less so in younger ages for some reason. In real life, you can see this in many Swedish families (not nearly all though but I've personally grown up with it as the norm in my own - the women in my family generally find a dominating man to be unattractive and my grandmothers both say they make bad fathers and husbands lol) and plenty of Swedish women prefer to marry the kind of man who is gentle, soft and inclined to share the power in the relationship rather than trying to dominate.

I agree, the Swedish film is superior. I think one problem is the pacing, like in the American adaptation of "Låt den rätte komma in" (Let me in), everything happens way to fast. The lack of Vanger flashbacks was preferable to including them, making everything feel more mysterious. The decision to leave out Lisbeth's mother in the American film is also puzzling, I think the inclusion of her makes the reveals concerning her father's nature more dramatic. The scene with her in the end of the Swedish adaption also gives the normally stoic Lisbeth some more depth.

I think this is only something swedish people (or people very familiar with sweden, like other nordic countries or people with swedish parent/s) gets. I totally get what you mean but I think people that havent grown up around it can understand it.

Sounds like a documentary about gay men.

the men who didn't love women sound gay.

Bahahahahaha@@YggdrasilAudio

@@adrianmeerman6493 that's a great read on it without the context of book two, and reasonably true to the plot! She spends time learning how to be herself as an adult without a guardian, and learning new mathematics. Sets up a thread about her looking for Fermat's last theorem, too.

@@adrianmeerman6493 exactly! There are so many layers to these books, it's really remarkable. For Lisbeth, the theorem becomes a constant thread, and reveals a lot about how her mind works in Hornet's Nest - light spoilers, but she does solve it, but through Shenanigans firgets the solution, and it is such a powerful scene. And Blomkvist's arc with regard to his intimate relationships, especially in Hornet's Nest, is really remarkable. ...Aaaand then promptly gets ruined by the 4th book, because a different author picked it up and decided he knew best. But that's a whole other story.

@Charisma Girl dude, I was literally just saying that the ending was accurate to the narrative of the book series, not to real life. Hence referencing "if somewhat early". Chill.

+OneAngryDeacon I do not understand your complaint.

Joshua Pelfrey I wanted to see St Albans appear in a major feature film. They robbed me of the chance the book presented. I'll be dead before another one comes along

+Joshua Pelfrey If a film was being adapted from a book set in your hometown, and the film adaptation then changed the setting to a large metropolitan area that so many other movies use, wouldn't you be pissed off?

I'm Very Angry It's Not Butter No. I wouldn't care in the least. I do not even understand why anyone would.

Joshua Pelfrey Well, a lot of people would care.

As a Swede I'm gonna say that you are SPOT ON.

To be fair, I think that's a general criticism of Hollywood when it comes to anything that isn't American.

Anna Marianne as an American, I find it rather refreshing to hear someone else’s opinion on the matter. Due to different cultural upbringing, different values and ideas will clash with foreign ones, but a break from the circulated stereotypes is always welcome.

GinHindew110 Social problems are caused by social constructs, also feminism is a very broad field encompassing several different theories and schools of thought. Also, no culture commits more or less rape than any other one does, and Swedish law enforcement’s exceptionally good methods for handling rape are the only reason that it’s reported rape statistics are so high

@@DWP102589 the reported rapes in sweden soared after the refuges went there, but it was blamed on the local white men, what feminist school of thought promotes that?

I guess you guys should have founded the US and conquered half the world, then he would make fun of you trying to pronounce English names.

The Swedish Vikings actually were over there in the intent of taking it over. But the vikings, were not nearly enugh murderous to take the place over, and went home again.:)

Mattias Ljungblad The fuck does that have to do with an inability to pronounce foreign languages??? English speakers are infamous for being shit at it. Deal with it.

Mattias Ljungblad i think this guy did a pretty good job

@@MizzNijna Icelandic. The Vikings who reached the New World were Icelandic, not Swedish.

i was also a little hesitant, but then i just bought the fourth book. it is entertaining and i thought it kept close enough to the original writing and style to not feel ike youre reading about totally different characters. it will always remain a little to the side from the other three, but i feel like it belongs with the others just enough. reccomended :)

I second this. Lolita is a fantastic novel, and it would be an interesting episode of Lost In Adaptation.

超人 i agree. if someones supposed to be portrayed as speaking a language that isnt english but still speaking english so that the audience understands, id prefer if they just dropped the accents

A trick that is often used and that I find to be a good compromise (still stupid, but much better): the first few lines are spoken in the original language and then everyone switches to English. It let’s the viewer know that it is not their first language and still everybody understands everything

Well as it is an American film I see why they dont speak swedish but then again I dont know why they even have to make a American version when there's already a Swedish version. If the rest of the world can read subtitles so can English speakers ( yes I know there's dubbed movies but really? That shit is just awful, as a non native English speaker I can tell you I and everyone I know also non native English speakers much more prefere subtitles before dubbed versions)

超人 As a German, im quite happy they don't talk German with each other. There's nothing more off putting than Americans speaking German with an American accent pretending to be Germans, sometimes with Google translate fucked up grammar or even worse complete gibberish.

@@babablap four words: Nightcrawler in X-Men Apocalypse. He is a cute character but hearing him speak was jarring.

As much as I like David Fincher, I feel like he didn't really added much that the Swedish films didn't do, so I am kinda okay with just having those as complete trilogy.

Oscar Kirk Thanks for the recommendation, but I've already seen that. I'd like to see The Dom's opinion of it.

You finally got your wish granted

Fincher is a subtle director, not an in your face-kind of propagandist.

The director didn't change the title, the editors of the english publishing companies that distributed the book did....Are you really this stupid.

yarpen26 This is why the American version sucks. This is specifically a story about chauvinism. If you can't admit that openly without being afraid of alienating your audience you have no fucking business making this movie in the first place.

I thought they changed the title because they were marketing the books as a trilogy.

@@vanyadolly titling a film or book "men who hate women" is problematic because without context, someone could misconstrue it as anti-feminist, alt-right hate speech and dismiss it out of hand with realizing that that's exactly the kind of mentality and behavior it's condemning. I'm an American, and I don't speak a word of Swedish, so maybe there's some linguistic or cultural subtext that makes that title work better in its native tongue, but in English, and particularly in America, I promise you it would have been very counterproductive to conveying the message of the story.

@Charisma Girl I loved the original Swedish film more.

Nina .Vale This might come off as rude, but I feel the need to ask. Why do you enjoy it so much? I'm curious on how someone who enjoys this differs from my mindset. It completely head fucked me and I cried for ages. (I've read the first book and watched the American film) I don't understand why people like stuff like that. Not that its necessarily a bad thing. I just don't get it.. I guess I'm more of a escape the real world kind of reader.

I liked this because well...it was well written book. The subject was icky, and disturbing-I'm not very good with gritty and realistic as well. I prefer my books more clam too- but the buildup to it and the drama and the characters feel very real. I mostly stayed for that, because Mikael and Lisbeth and everyone else felt very real as people. and the whole drama was engaging, it felt like good mistery. I might have been able to overlook some things because I simply enjoy crime drama as genere. I used to watch CSI and Law and Order Agatha Christie ct, ect. and I sort of started reading the Swedish crime/mystery stories. all in all I guess it's like I said. the characters and the writing sucked me in. I just wanted to see those people pull it through and come out alive and I wanted to see what happened to them in the later books, since it's a trilogy. I wanted to see if they make it through all three of them.

I have a literal obsession with crime drama and have read some weird stuff so I guess i get what you mean. Just couldn't bring myself to read all of this. Too much. But yeah i get it.

The books were bad. Nothing but wish fullfillment by the author. Lisbeth was pathetic. She's supposed to visually be this rough tough chick, but she's taken advantage of by every man in the book, practically, has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old and we're supposed to believe she's only in this for the sex, has the courage and strength to beat up bigger men and take them prisoner, yet doesn't have the courage to give someone a gift? She was SO unrealistic.

As a German, same here. It´s just nice to know you´re not the only one from your country loving some youtuber :D

Its weird

You mean everyone has the internet?

As a Croatian same here !😁

There aren’t that many of us Swedes. :)

The American version is one of my favourite movies of all time

+Lenore T Ooh...yeah, I've gotta give a thumbs up for this suggestion! Read the book and watched the film adaptation, loved them both! The film actually helped me understand the book a bit better too, as I'm not a very good reader.

I actually like the book way better than the film and would totally be up for another adaptation

Lttp, but skip the chapter about Swedish business. It's useless, unless you're into high finance. It doesnt flesh out anything or anyone.

The entire trilogy is very good and I recommend it.

David Fincher got screwed by the studios because the movie made ONLY 232 million, and that was 100 million domestically, so while the studios initially pitched an adult psychological drama trilogy, they backed out of this cuz they saw it wasn’t going to be profitable (mind u 6 months later Avengers released, so u can see why studios got jumpy, they were hoping for something similar to Harry Potter or Hunger Games). It’s a damn disgrace, especially considering how quiet Fincher has been since then, only three films in 12 years, and not really that good compared to his prior achievements and track record. I think i could miss Mank or The Killer in exchange for two more sequels, I only watched Girl with the Dragon Tattoo a few days ago and I loved it

ZDF enterprises co-produced the movie and as far as I know it it's way more known in Germany thatn in the UK or the USA. It might very well be the case that the only English-dubbed/subtitled version is the one with the German visuals and thats the one the dear Dom watched :-)

Ankford no, shit, you hate swedes too? I thought its only a Norwegian thing.

It’s definitely a danish thing hating on the Swedes lol. But we love Norwegians!

Hating you back, bro. Unless people from outside Scandinavia and the Nordics take a piss on one of ours, then we'll rip their throats out. We are the only ones who get to do that.

@@camellias.7106 As a Swede, I have heard this from Danes, Norwegians and Finns. I have no idea why all our neighbours hate us?

I can only speak on the German version but the books definitely have completely different titles here, they are Verblendung (which can mean infatuation or blinding), Verdammnis (Damnation) and Vergebung (Forgiveness)

The Spanish title was something like 'Men who do not love women'