What a huge engineering mistake to use the same gauge connector for different tank capacities. It's criminal negligence.

Pro Tip: When your FMS says "Lo Fuel" immediately declare an emergency and ask ATC for vectors to the nearest airport.

It’s frustrating that every single crash investigation report seems to conclude ‘extreme workload and stress’ almost like a routine whiplash claim. The captain made a number of erratic errors and calculated decisions and this is nothing more than gross negligence.

Why would the A-310 crew decide to make the entire flight with the gear down? That's pretty stupid when all they had to do was turn around, land and see what the defect is. Very poor judgement from the Captain.

Palermo ATC: "20 miles, you're 20 miles out" Captain: "We can't make it, both engines out" Palermo ATC: "You're 20 miles out" Captain: "Yes I know, our engines are out, can't make it" Palermo ATC: "What? You have 20 miles to go" Rinse and repeat

Something quite similar to the first clip happened recently in my country (Russia). A plane headed for Omsk was experiencing hydraulic issues, and instead of landing at Omsk they decided to shoot for Novosibirsk (which is about 600 kilometers away) because it has a longer runway. But since they were flying with the gear down and were unable to rectract it - lo and behold they ran out of fuel short of Novosibirsk. They were able to successfully land the plane on a field, apparently nobody was seriously hurt.

Kind of amazing how much more fuel is used when the gear is down. I get that it makes the plane less aerodynamic but that is a huge drag effect. Obviously that pilot underestimated it too!

In the second video...I was shocked to learn what happened to the pilots. In March of 2009, both the pilot and co-pilot were sentenced to ten-year jail sentences Charged with Manslaughter over the death of 16 passengers. I feel sorry for the pilots and those who lost their loved ones who didn't survive. ✝ Edit: *My comment was referring to the 2nd story only.* .

I work in airport operations at a large hub airport about 3 weeks ago we had a frontier a320 that departed but the landing gear would not retreat pilot IMMEDIATELY made a go around and arrived back at the airport and a alert 1 was issued. It just amazes me how the pilots completely disregarded the landing gear malfunction and continued to fly in the aircraft in such a handicapped state

The captain was charged for both case: For Flight 3378, the captain was charged for safety issue and result in suspended along with 6 months penalty For Flight 1153, both pilot was charged for praying during the crucial moment, broke the cockpit rules and was fired from the job.

Good video - the real audio ramps up the tension when you can hear how frightened the crew sound.

That Palermo air traffic controller in the ATR72 case sure seems passive and quite useless, given the severity of the emergency situation.

Yeegads...I learned flying jets in the USN, never, NEVER cycle the gear to get an 'up' indication. You run the risk of getting a stub or one down and all up..which is always bad. Cycle to get a 'down', but never cycle to get an Up...

Great job TFC, I'm always impressed with your detailed research and ability to source all the original materials you use in your videos. Very sad that the second crash occurred - we sometimes simply do not sufficiently learn from earier mistakes.

That first Captain is very irresponsible.

As a Tunisian, the second pilot was one of the best in our country.. He wasn't guilty as he did his best to save the airplane.. No one would think correctly in such moments..

Wow. Your graphics are getting scary realistic. Awesome job.

I always waiting every week for this channel, very awesome animation

Wish you had kept the old music and included the brief message of memorial words for those who died on the second flight!

Me six months ago: why is KZfaq recommending this channel to me? Me now: Woah, that extended landing gear is going to cause drag and thus more fuel consumption! This situation has 'flame out' written all over it!

The first captain was missing a few screws

I am no pilot but after the third attempt I would have returned to the airport with an emergency landing

I was shocked to learn that in the ditching there were 16 passenger deaths. It's one of the few places where the simulation may have had noticable flaws; the hull stayed intact in the simulation but in real ditchings, it almost always breaks apart and the pieces tumble. The deaths are by blunt force trauma as much as drowning. It is *incredibly* difficult to ditch a plane and keep it intact; as far as I know it's only happened once.

I think the ATR-72 is the plane that would have made land if they had feathered the propellers instead of trying to restart the engines.😥

They should have terminated the flight immediately and returned to Chania. The failure of the landing gear could have been caused by another problem on the aircraft.

Just wanted to say Chania, Crete looks to be a wonderful place. I've only seen it from the passenger seat of the Google Map Car, and can say even though I don't fly anymore, it'd be tempting to go on a trip there. So sorry people who are just going for a good time suffer such tragedy.

Very frustrating when flight crews and maintenance do their jobs in manners that leave quite a lot to be desired

Your films are excellent btw and addictive. I actually watch them before I fly - strangely calms me! This incident has a familiar scenario with the captain, who later got a suspended sentence, in denial and refusing to admit the full scale of the situation. Why? Because he should have turned back at the start of the flight. I'm starting to notice patterns of behaviour having watched your videos where crew double down on their mistakes.

If there is any lingering doubt,return to the airport.this was not a puddle jumper.also wonder if he would have just re-fueled in Vienna,another mistake

The common them of survival on all of these emergency landings is to dump fuel. Leave the plane with little to no fuel and the chances of survival increase exponentially due to no major explosion.

I love this channel, it allows me to decide a better choice of aircraft or airlines to fly. And...the ones to avoid.

Nice video man 👍

Using the FMS..geez, they know how much they have, via fuel flow gauges, how much they are burning per minute, what's needed at their destination..pretty simple arithmetic.

You would hope they would land straight away if landing gear fails to retract

In the second incident, I think the pilots were criticized for not feathering the props. Apparently the plane should have been able to make Palermo, but the props not being feathered produced a heap of drag.

Second one the ATC was useless

That was one of the most intense moments you’ve recreated. This video is very, very good. As a native french speaker, I was surprised to hear the pilots speak small bits of my mother tongue through the arabic.

I was an AC fueler in the USA for 5 years... any fuel quanity issue required a calculated fuel load followed by a mechanic physically verifying the load with the mag sticks intalled on the main tanks and monitoring of the fuel added... This was stupid.... 1000lbs of Jet A is 150 US gals...

With that first one, well, at least they reached the airport. But that captain needs to lose his job and his pilot's license... how hard would it have been to turn around and land at the airport & have maintenance check to see why the landing gear won't retract? And then maybe put the passengers on a different plane?

The treatment these pilots got after the crash was so unfair... I meant the Tuninter 1153 pilots btw

Very nicely done, as always! A little mistake at 13:12. DPWS should of course be: GPWS.

surprised people died in the second video, the plane glided in so slowly and gently, more gentle than a car crash at 40mph...

Thanks for the video. In the first incident, why is there a rule that you can continue flying with a landing gear down, as long as you keep to the recommended speed limits? The drag it creates clearly contributes to mass fuel consumption, as shown in the incident. And they managed to make it to Vienna by the skin of their teeth, fortunately for them they were approaching terrain and not more sea. The second incident with the ATR 72 was tragic. And I do feel it when I learn maintenance did not do or check or were incompetent, leading to a crash. A part that wasn't compatible for the ATR 72, are they not labelled?! Maintenance should be briefed regularly, to comprehend how important, if not fundamental, it is to get the job done right, because there are lives at stake. How the ATR 72 just had no chance at all from the outset. It must have been horrifying for those onboard. The captain and FO were jailed for the crash. Why, did they do the maintenance?! The same captain noticed the fault and registered it with maintenance the day before, it should have been maintenance up in court over the crash, not the two pilots.

I remember the beginning of Hapag Lloyd Flug in 1975, just operating 4 Boeing 727 from their homebase Hanover-airport HAJ. I completed a professional internship as an aircraft mechanic at their homebase back then. It was a very good airline, even offered a scheduled flight HAJ-FRA-JFK using the Airbus A310. Their onboard service was very good. Later their operations and aircrafts were taken over by TUI-flight.

The first pilot is criminal. Could have choosen 20 airports before Vienna, including the one he took off.

What? No report at the end? No outro?

Appreciate the content but are you getting lazy with the sudden ending? Where's the info, deaths, etc.?

According to the internet the Captain and first officer on flight 1153 survived, however the engineer(who was just a passenger trying to help, not crew) did not make it.

These animations are INSANE.

Its crazy how in this video the wrong captain was sentenced to jail

Miracle on Hudson survival rate is even more impressive now that I see this.

For that ATR42, in the episode of Aircrash Investigation of that crash they showed, that if they had known that they were out of fuel, and had immediately started the glide towards Palermo, with feathered props, instead of trying to restart the engines, they would have made it safely to Palermo! But of course they saw on the gauge that there was plenty of fuel on board, however actually the tanks were completely empty.

This ends suddenly. Wheres the rest of it?!

In the Hapag-Llyod case, were both pilots so fatigued they couldn't function? The captain declined to take action until it was too late. It was the copilot's obligation to recognize that the pilot was, effectively, incapacitated due to ego, fatigue or whatever other reason. It was then the copilot's obligation to remove the captain from command of the aircraft and decisively take control of the jet, declaring an emergency and looking for an airport closer than Vienna. I would have thought that FMS's could allow you to plug in not uncommon anomalies, like stuck landing gear, into its models. If not, perhaps the airline should create a suitable calculator for each model of aircraft. Is that done today, in 2023?

I don't know.....the way these ATCs respond to these pilots that are in life and death situations just kill me......"Good Luck!" ??? What? Also, its not like ATC was telling them...ok, we will contact these ships and make sure they are aware you are ditching......and then its like....Come on Guys, its only 20 miles.....surely you can make that....what is wrong with you? .....I mean, I suppose it would help if the Pilots would tell them both engines are down...then maybe that would make the ATC a little more aware of the dire situation as oppose to....what? You can't make it......surely you can....whats wrong with you?" kind of attitude......the other interesting thing about the second tragedy is ....did they even inform the passengers as to what was going down? and how to handle a ditching.....as it seemed like they were only communicating between themselves and the ATC......but I hope there may have been some flight attendants that were aware and prepared the passengers.....anyway, great vids as always and I seem to recall you having done the first one before......as the casualness of the Captain on the low fuel....its almost like....sure, its low, but we will have not problem getting there and if we do run out...no big deal.....almost like he is driving in a car and playing daredevil with the fuel tank gauges.....incredible, although the 1st officer knew what was up.........

Hello. I really love your channel, overall it is one of my top five channels of choice, i do watch lots and lots of videos on KZfaq and yours are by far amongst the very best at any given time BUT, Sir you need to know there are quite considerable number of subscribers and viewers coming from non-English-speaking-countries and the texts / subtitles, the texts meant to explain the videos, always remains for a very short period of time on the screen, not enough time for us to read, which really do negatively effect our experience watching your precious videos, I've advised you several times before as I also noticed few other viewers complaining and addressing the very same subject, however for some reason we're probably considered amongst the undeserving, or the unworthy viewers 🙂, since our notes goes completely unnoticed, or honestly I believe overlooked is a better word. Regardless what me and the respectful other few viewers are complaining about and Regardless that you prefer to ignore us, i still willingly and gladly choose to pause almost everytime while reading your explaining texts, rather than abundaning the whole channel alltogether. Have a good day 😊

This all seems very familiar, has it been uploaded to KZfaq before already on this channel?

Something similar happened in Russia few weeks ago, I believe September 12. Airbus A320. In Siberia, between Omsk and Novosibirsk. Gear down, so pilots apparently miscalculated remaining fuel. They landed in a corn field, I believe 170 total people on board, no fatalities, no injuries! The airplane looks intact on the pictures. Some say the pilots are heroes for MASTERFUL landing in a corn field, others are saying (myself included) they need to be criminally charged for not calculating fuel properly. Obviously they made a mistake, the real question : was this mistake criminal negligence. Of course, the investigation will take time.

This was a hard one to listen to. Especially the ATR72. They never gave up and did everything they could before ditching. Hearing them pray as they as they were touching down gave me the chills. God Bless them…

Hi Where do you have all the Nice Planes in Microsoft flight sim? Like the DC-9

Rip to all who died😢

where did you get the Tuninter livery from?

With the first plane, everyone lucked out. And I mean luck. Bad decisions by the captain. Even ignored his first officer. Almost didn't make it. But the second plane, the pilots and crew did nothing wrong and people died. Maintenance mistake, putting in the wrong part. Very sad. RIP 16 souls.

With the 2nd one, it was so hard to understand what they were trying to say to each other, pilot and ATC. Just came across as strange.

The 1st of the two episodes....Unbelievable😐

The landing gear , producing more drag would have increased fuel usage. I think the captain and co pilot did well to glide that plane to the runway in Vienna.

With the upper wing shape of the ATR, would it be floatable when ditching? Just a little bit curious

I'm amazed at how many "pilots" there are in this forum that would have done it better than anyone else in every incident or crash that this channel talks about 😮😮😮😮

Thank you for telling me that that was a shipping container. I would never have known otherwise.

This is one of the many reasons I won't fly. I have not been on an airplane since 1976. Too many things go wrong. Run out of fuel, mechanical issues, plane has metal fatigue, pilots are inept. I'll keep both feet on the ground.

4:12 final destination…. Not a good sign?…..the captain was shocking even as a non pilot I’d have made a better call here

I dont understand,if theirs anything not working properly,especially right after takeoff,why not cancel the flight and get everyone back on the ground safely? Ive seen so many of these videos,and heard other stories on the news,of the flight crew not taking stuff as seriously as they should,when youre thousands of feet in the air,the room for error is extremely thin,if at all,just abort the damn flight regardless of the issue and take the L on the money lost and fix the aircraft,why risk everyones lives? Plus the financial repercussions are gonna be way more if theirs an accident,I just dont get it

I don't understand why the pilots in the second video were blamed when the wrong parts were the cause of the fuel deficiency. Were they held responsible for not noticing the inconsistency of the readings at the beginning of the flight? Could they have done anything better if they hadn't resorted to praying when the situation looked hopeless as they were landing on the sea?

BRUTAL!!!!

Best tip to survive ditching that most pilots didn’t know: once the aircraft is above 100 feet from water, u put your hands to your chest and try to be strong enough to stay remain on the seats when the aircraft have touched the water

If I remember right, pilots failed setting up the plane for gliding, with the proper configuration they could get Palermo safely

Palermo Approach was bloody useless.

As a pilot, the decision by the captain to continue with flight 3378 with the gear down over water is astoundingly reckless and irresponsible. The right decision has to be an immediate return to the departure airport, and the follow-up erroneous fuel burn calculations are just further proof of negligent incompetence by a supposed experienced captain who should know the basic fuel burn penalty with the gear down. And where was dispatch? Did they agree with this horrific decision? The crew took the blame, and rightfully so, but there were other participants who should have gotten that plane turned around, regardless of the maintenance ramification or the inconvenience to the passengers. Safety ALWAYS comes first. They were lucky they didn't auger into a condo!

Did the pilots and engineer of the second aircraft survive?

It just showed up.

wowww these folks are VERT lucky. like beYONNNND lucky.

Good fuckin video bro

Well, they did make it to Vienna as he said they would...

How irresponsible. I've seen alot of flight crew negligence on this channel but this one falls near the top for sure.

Sorry, but I can’t understand one thing. He makes the calculation using the FMS and the captain concludes that it isn’t possible to reach Hannover… but after you say that the FMS doesn’t take into account the extra drag… so, why he couldn’t reach Hannover? If FMS doesn’t take into account the extra drag, why it was saying that the plane could only reach Munich?

Headwind in which year should be in the

I fueled the ATR-42s for Continental express in the early 90s....

Hapag-Lloyd, dont quit your day job.....flying isnt for you...

I thought that the ditching would be more successful...really sad. 😔

why you were in a soo hurry to end the second video man? no details on the recovery accident nothing.....🙊🙊

The captain praying in the middle of an emergency seems inappropriate given the circumstances. His focus should be on the matters at hand.

Is there any ATR 72 that havent been in big trouble yet??????

Glide slope / sink rate

No narration ..would help. Maybe I can get a TTS app to connect

Referring to this video, the pilot in the second video did manage to safely ditch the plane into the water. The plane did not crash. So how come the fact that as many as 16 people did not survive the landing?

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the passengers must be so afraid

plane shouldve returned to the airport with the gears like that...shows you airlines show high pressure and the pilots prob didnt want to get punished for it

Inadequately secured nut lock....sounds like maintenance crew failure to properly service the aircraft.....

Did the pilots in the 2nd flight survive?