I love how the developers just accepted the memes and gave Donald such a badass moment for KH3 💀

Terranort getting one shot by a talking duck was easily one of the highlights of that entire game.

Of course Goofy saw Donald use Zettaflare before. Where do you think Deep Jungle went?

Alt explanation for Goofy's knowledge of Zettaflare: He is actually the one who used it first and swore off magic entirely as a result of the detrimental effects it had on him. This would explain his deep knowledge of magic and its mechanics (able to identify the Zettaflare solely by the light, sigils, and body movements) yet his inability, or rather his disinclination, to use magic in-game.

The throwback to Donald healing Hades in RECoM lmao, I felt your pain when I saw that the first time

I don't know how many people noticed this, but when Mickey is countering the darkness beams from the "Real Org 13" he is using Ultima as a sort of "shield" to stop the beam from hitting him. You can see the same orb and "runes" that Ultima produces when he attacks Xehanort, it's just hard to see because of the glow.

I still support that the FF14 flare is Teraflare because typically the way magic works is that the tier of the spell AND the power of the caster themselves matter. Yes, the FF14 flare did end a world, but it was also being cast by BAHAMUT! If you launch a pebble at mach 20 it is going to be fatal despite being just a pebble. A lower-tier spell cast by a higher-tier caster is still stronger than a higher-tier spell being cast by a lower-tier caster. That said, Donald being able to cast Zetaflare AT ALL is massively impressive regardless.

For context on the fairy, she was drawing power from the final boss of Bravely Default and would often combo it by using a spell to lower the party's elemental resistances and if your not ready for it she can quickly wipe your party.

Donald Duck and gay Bahamut being the two most well known characters to use this spell is actually wild

Donald Duck is such a boss, he condensed ALL the power of Zettaflare to aim it at his opponent instead of destroying the whole planet!

My headcanon for how Donald knows zettaflare is either he was taught it or found out how to do it when he wasn’t supposed to, tried casting it, failed, but it still knocked him out for several months. It seems like only Goofy knows about it since Mickey seemed surprised not concerned on what Donald was doing.

In 14, Bahamut didnt destroy the whole world ,but a part of a continent (Eorzea), and part of the destruction was mostly because of the "asteroids" that came from the "Red moom" dalamud that was containing the guy. 14's world is huge and 10 years later it is still not fully explored.

But let's not forget something, it's because of the mothercrystal core that Bahamut in FFXVI is capable of doing that incredible spell, we don't see him using that spell later in the game while Donald didn't need an external force but rather his energy to cast it, I think that gives some points to Donald's Zettaflare

One thing I want to point out is that in my own research on the subject of Zetaflare, of the 3 known users of this spell, 2 of them were relying on external sources of additional power to cast this spell. Donald remains the only caster to EXCLUSIVELY rely solely on his own power and resources to cast Zetaflare.

Something I want to point out about flare magic, in the world ends with you there's another flare spell potentially more powerful than Zeta Flare known as iFlare. The final boss of week 2 uses it to wipe out Neku and Joshua. Of course he doesn't succeed but the only reason it didn't was Joshua sent himself and Neku outside of the UG which is the only way to escape it since iFlare covers the entirety of the plain you're on. So picture an explosion the size of the universe.

*Airy boss battle PTSD intensifies*

In ff14, even though bahamut uses Teraflare, he's also MASSIVE. so despite the fact that it's not Zetta, it's still capable of causing severe destruction just based on his size alone. Kind of makes you wonder just how a Zettflare would look from FF14's Bahamut.

There is also the base Flare spell, that's typically viewed as the most powerful Black magic in Final Fantasy lore. Also, fun fact about Bravely Default. It's got a second name attached to it, especially the Japanese version, called The Fairy Flies. However, a little nod to the twist ending, as the title fades, the two F's (possibly also a nod to Final Fantasy) fade away first, leaving just Airy Lies before it too fades away.

I’ve never experienced Donald screwing me over except in chain of memories

Donald Duck is GODTIER now, the biggest redemption since DMC4SE Vergil

Bravely Second holds the secrets of another ancient, forgotten version of flare... Femto Flare Quite possibly my favorite joke in all of gaming, while other flare magic is named after metric prefixes of increasing magnitude, Femto- is one of the smallest named prefixes, representing a magnitude of one quadrillionth, which is 10 raised to -15.

Bahamut in ff14 is a raid boss and its strongest move in that raid is exoflare, sadly no zeta flare. Donald duck in kh3, bahamut warden of light in ff16 and airy in bravely default are the only ones known to explicitly cast zeta flare.

And seems like Donald not healing you right is because he knows he can end you in an instant and is DARING Sora to talk back about the healing. 😂😂

airy can spam fire Zeta Flare by the way. Once per turn if You let her.

FFXIV 1.0 vet here. Just pointing out that the Summoner LB3 is Terraflare and looks identical to what Bahamut was doing. We also have Exaflare in fights with him and other powerful dragons and they just move differently than Terraflare, so they're dodge-able and of course are instant death most times if you get caught by one. Most likely what Bahamut was doing in the end of 1.0 and trailer for ARR is actually just Terraflare, but he's popping it off at-will...so he could potentially use Zetaflare maybe, but had no need of it since he was already doing the job with Terra.

When it comes to powerfull SE spells, there is The World Ends With You's Level i Flare. While it is somewhat countered in-game, using the FF nomenclature leads to the conclusion that it can destroy anything in the imaginary realm (UG). And that's hillarious.

There’s also the fact that the Teraflares and Exaflares seen in the actual gameplay of FFXIV are nowhere near as devastating as what’s seen in the ARR intro. I like to think “Zeta Flare” is a lesser form of the true Zettaflare, as if Airy is holding back to either toy with the party, or to not obliterate the world her master seeks to devour.

Zetaflare isn't the most powerful attack in Final Fantasy. The ACTUAL strongest attack is "12^2 Curse of Extinction" which is an secret attack used by the final boss Zeromus in the original SNES version of FF4 that DELETES THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND CAN BRICK YOUR CONSOLE OR PC. How the attack worked starts like this. The way FF4 calculated "floors" is very weird as every map is considered a "floor" in relation to another map. Basically it uses a hidden variable to check the "floor" value to set your location every time you transfer maps. However, there are 3 stairways in the game that are bugged to not properly configure the floor value. These three staircases are located in Dwarven Castle, the Lunar Caves, and the final dungeon the Lunar Subterranean. If you go to three specific staircases and travel up and down them 64 times, you will trigger the Zeromus' "curse of extinction" attack. Depending on your inputs in the few frames following the attack various things can happen, since the game is in a completely broken and very volatile state where the smallest input can destroy everything. Based on your inputs various things could happen including: 1: Teleporting you a particular map based on your inputs. 2: Deleting all your save files. 3: Bricking your game. (if on an emulator the ROM file is corrupted and can no longer be read) 4: Bricking your console or PC (blue screen of death if playing on an emulator) The first option is actually used in FF4 speedruns to skip straight from the Dwarven Castle to the final boss room after getting all the proper event flags, cutting the speedrun by almost half. However using the glitch is incredibly risky as one failed input and your entire save, game cartridge/ROM, or even entire SNES/PC could be ruined beyond repair. This was originally just an obscure glitch, but there was an interview with Squaresoft West in Nintendo Power about the game and Squaresoft canonized the glitch as "Zeromus' ultimate secret attack" called "12^2 Curse of Extinction" that triggers as a trap Zeromus laid in certain stairs to LITERALLY DELETE THE UNIVERSE if you make the wrong move. The "12^2" of the attack being a reference of how many times you have to use the stairs (64 times) to trigger the glitch. This "attack" (actually a glitch) is therefore the strongest attack in Final Fantasy as it is the only attack in the series that can impact the real world and delete your saves or even entire PC. This also makes Zeromus the strongest villain, final boss, and antagonist in the series by a long mile. Thankfully they patched this glitch in the GBA port and the glitch is not present also in the PSP, DS, Mobile, Steam, and Pixel Remaster versions. The glitch can still be found in the JP SNES, US SNES, EasyType, and PSX versions to this day.

9:50 Donald is about to go hard in KH4

Honestly, it'd be interesting if things properly went beyond the Zettaflare. Because I feel like Aqua probably would've berated Donald once he woke up because he basically killed Terra, and now they can't get him back.

Here's some additional info about FFXIV's Bahamut casting that Flare magic: -The Limit Break level 3 of the Summoner job temporarily fuses themself with a simulacrum of the pure energy Bahamut used(also a skill called Dreadwyrm Trance), and casts Teraflare in a wide area of their choosing. -Exaflare has been used multiple times throughout the game(there even is variations of it too), starting with Shinryu casting it during their fight against the player in 2017 during the Stormblood expansion. Considering this information and the scale of Bahamut's rampage during the cinematic(which, from what we know nowadays in the story wasn't destructive enough to end the world, even though Bahamut was actually stronger than he should have been for antagonist-related reasons), it would be fair to say that this incarnation of Bahamut is casting a Teraflare, not a Zetaflare imo.

In regards to what you said about Airy and Bravely Default, Airy isn't just a fairy. She's a monster and essentially a right-hand woman in-service to the god of destruction. It'd only make sense that she'd have access to a highly destructive spell like Zetta Flare.

Would really appreciate more videos like this dude. Going over these topics, lore, etc.

I definitely need sora to step up his magic game. I hope we get the bbs mixing mechanic backs we could finally craft powerful magic for kh4

Funny thing, Donald’s flare spell is larger than Dion’s flare spell. So Donald should have a substantially larger zettaflare than planetary (maybe only large planet busting, but I suspect star busting)

I'm pretty sure Donald did die when he casted Zeta flare. I'm guessing Disney wanted to censor his unintended suicide so they just put "he collapsed" in Jiminy's Journal. You were right on the money with that particle effect; it was only ever used for Strelitzia's literal death, apart from the Zeta Flare scene.

I always love when he uploads love the personality 😂

What's neat is that FF16 is the first time out of three confirmed uses that Zettaflare was used to directly *threaten* a planet. The other two had extremely good reasons why they were not used to destroy worlds. Donald's a Disney Hero, so he has good reason to aim his attack away from a world. Airy's master eats planets. (that's what Armageddon is, Ouroborous grabbing and eating a planet) So it would be counter-intuitive to destory the thing her boss wants to eat. Plus the fight where she uses the Zetaflare is in another dimension.

Level i Zeta Flare: for when you want to tell existence "F everything about you".

Something i should tell you about Bahamut in FF14 is we do get to fight him in the final part of the Coils of Bahamut raid series, but in a weakened state. In that fight he uses the exact attack we see Bahamut in the cinematic charge up before everyone gets time traveled a few years into the future, this move is named Teraflare.

We need zettaflare limit in kh4

That duck is op

I hate the donald healing meme so much

As someone who is a Bravely Default fan, I can confirm, *DO NOT TRUST THE FAIRIES* At least, not the ones on Luxendarc. The ones on Excillant are mostly fine.

Love your analysis and lore diving my dude!

I wish ultima still got the love it used to have before they expanded the Flare line-up past Giga-Flare. I think it would be really cool to see someone realize that Ultima is actually one of the only -Ma spells to exist and they didn't realize it. there is -Ra, -Ga, -Ja, -Za, so having Ultima being the only (or one of the only) -Ma spells would solidify it's presence as being above most of the other spells (with exception for Flare which uses a different scaling).

Ultima, also known as the "I cast kill everything in this general direction!" move of final fantasy games. Ultima is usually always a massive non-elemental AoE that destroys everything with quad 9's across the board, while flare is relegated to be a single target spell with around the same power of ultima. I like to think of the ultima spells as an Ultimatum, wiping everything in front of the caster while also being indiscriminate in its destruction. Basically, if there was an evil or neutral flare, it would be Ultima. I always pictured white mages or good guys using flare spells for its single-target destruction and neutrally affiliated or evil characters using ultima to indiscriminately destroy everything. The reason why I say white mages specifically is because of the Dia spells from FF1, and giving the priests a Holy Fire spell seems accurate. To my knowledge, I haven't seen them return but I also know nothing past FF9 up to 16.

There was another spell used in the ending sequence of Bravely Default which, to my knowledge, has only made the one appearance: "Blaze Bright". It was on a similar, if not higher level to the planet-destroying magic used by Ouroboros

I'm a simple man, I see someone using Airy in a Zetaflare thumbnail, and I click.

Well Cyn, to be completely honest the power of the most infamously destructive spells of the FF saga (and the same can be said for almost any SE game) frequently depends on the context and lore of the game they're found in. For example, in the majority of the FF games, Meteor is simply an extremely powerful magic (way more than Flare) that sometimes, in enhanced forms, can also serve as signature move of the main villain of the game (ex: Starfall XVI for Emperor Mateus or Twin Meteors for Golbez) while instead, in FFVII, Meteor is an apocalyptic entity capable to end the world, summonable only by Sephiroth and stoppable only by Aerith and only via Holy; given this, the three Zettaflares may even be three entirely different spells despite having the same name. Aside from that, as i already said in another video of yours, i really don't get how any KH fan who is also an FF fan could actually being surprised by this Donald/Bravely Defaut's Fairy fact; i mean, the strongest mage in the FF series and probably in the entire SE universe is F.KING SHANTOTTO!! What did you expect? (Oh, and just to be clear, with "the strongest" I don't mean "by a bit", i mean "by a landslide").

No matter how many times people tell me "Donald is not healing me" it never was an issue for me and Donald will always be my BEST BOI

Donald Duck really UNALIVED Xehanort with that move before the time travel reboot happened lol.

I think its important to note that Bahamut in 16 had to use the power of the mother crystal to use Zettaflare. Donald just did it by his self.

From what I remember, it was just the continent of Eorzea that was destroyed by Bahamut in FF14. So I think it was probably Exaflare that he used and not Zettaflare.

I was going through the descriptions of FF6 Esper attacks and I found Bahamut's Mega Flare to interesting: "Blasts all enemies in Nuclear Energy." This means all versions of Flare is Nuclear in nature. Think along Godzilla's Atomic Breath.

In the ffxv novel, it is confirmed that terraflare can end the world. Also supernova is actually an illusion spell.

Actually, sometime in 2022, they added ronna and quetta to the metric prefix list, meaning the flare spell could go up to 1,000,000 times stronger then zettaflare now. Also, in ff14, I think it might've been pettaflare actually, as the continent of Eorzea while devastated, wasn't destroyed (as it would be with exaflare), and many environments were completely altered permanently, so petta seems right.

Cant help but wonder if Yen Sid taught it to Mickey and Donald and warned them against using it outside of dire circumstances. That would explain Goofy knowing ahead of time what was happening without having first seen it cast before. Maybe Zeta Flare always consumes the life of the caster unless they combine their power with other magic users, similar to the Trinity Limit version of Ultima in KH2.

I think about this all the time, thxs 4 making this

Hey this is a great video, can you please do more of these? Compare more final fantasy games to what’s happened in kh games? I love how long this video is, please please please make more

6:28 HI! ff14 player here! That was most likely Gigaflare at it seems to be the same attack he uses in his raid "The Final Coil of Bahamut - Turn 4" which is also Gigaflare . In that fight, you have to do enough damage to defeat him before he uses it or it KO's the party. Notably, as far as the event of the lore of ff14 go, Bahamut didn't destroy the planet, he rendered it unlivable by creating a massive almost radioactive like magic disturbance that had to be undone by certain forces in game. Killed everything that didn't escape, but as planetary body the planet was still there.

You guys are all forgetting the ACTUAL most powerful Flare spell , "Level i Flare" (from the world ends with you its user is Sho Minamimoto) wich is a BONKERS spell/psych , Zettaflare is limited by its value (zetta) level i flare has infinite power and infinite reach it can reach wherever your soul and your body is, and I mean on every plane of existence and inexistence its not only a planet buster its a multiplanar buster (I dont even know if that is even a term) the only reason Sho's psych didn't even worked is because Math brain used it against Jesus Christ himself who absorbed (presumedly) part of the spell to shield neku and then teleported to another Dimension

Its been a while since i played it, but I'm pretty sure Zeta Flare was a learnable move in Bravely Second. At the very least it was mentioned in a quest as being a baal buster technique

Actually, FFXIV might not have featured Bahamut doing Zetta Flare. But in terms of matching the look of Donald’s spell, Louisaux does use the massive amount of prayers from across the star to propel himself through Bahamut (which dissolves him in the process). So maybe that’s who cast it?

The reason Terraflare is known to be used in the cutscene for FFXIV:ARR is that its confirmed in the Coils of Bahamut raid boss. It uses the exact chargeup animation from the cutscene in raid and has a countdown "Bahamut will use terraflare in 10... 9...", eorzea is the only continent affected as well, as its shown pretty clearly that even places neighboring the continent like alamhigo are pretty much untouched by what happened. Flare attacks in general are also often known to be an AOE with purely defined traits, BEEG DAMAGING FIRE. Whereas ultima is often known as a plot device literally just meaning "finale", the ultima spell and ultima weapon being counterparts that change shape and form in the times it appears even in the same series. Mickey knowing ultima makes sense, and ultima getting stopped pretty quickly is also common. FFXIV also shows ultima doing a metric boatload of damage, but it was all localized to a garlean base, a massive one, but not nearly the same range or pure terraforming that Bahamut did in the opening cutscene(the metal above and lives got vaporized by ultima, leaving the only one that survived being the champion with literal -mommy- goddess plot armor, but terraflare revealed a whole ass crystal tower underneath that nobody even had a clue was there until after the calamity, with miles of nothing but pure rock and screwed up environment/weather unique to the area). So it makes sense that people would be more hyped about donald doing the big fire than mickey doing the big plot device.

most excellent. love these!

the one in FF14 was teraflare. it's shown in the unending coils of bahamut raid. though the bahamut in the raid looks smaller, this is probably either because 1: gameplay limitations or 2: bahamut got his body blown up by louisoix and only the head remain, thus might not be in full power

I think you downplayed the power of Airy quite a bit. While she took the form of a fairy for most of the game her true form was that of the harbinger of Oroboras. A multiversal devourer god of which her power was derived from. At that point in the story Airy and Oroboras had absorbed the energy of the destruction of many realities. It can be assumed Airy's Zetaflare is not only capable of destroying a world but quite possibly a universe. Yes the party can tank the hit but that is a testament to the scale of their power at the end of the story.

In the coil raids of ffxiv, you actually get to fight the primal Bahamut which flare move he could use is Teraflare and shares the exact same animation as the one used to nuke Eorzea. Midgardsormr who is the father of the original Bahamut is capable of using a higher version of the spell, exaflare and the version the player fight is in his prime.

I mean, people probably don't talk about Ultima as much because the most prominent time it was cast, it wasn't even really intended. Look at Mickey's usage in KH3. He was just trying to kill one dude; massive devastation wasn't his intention either.

Level i Flare from TWEWY is the strongest Flare. its a Flare so strong that no rational number can quantify its power.

From what I know of FF14 lore bahamut didn't just destroy a continent, but an entire reality and so Eorzea had to be remade in the new reality the characters that were teleported away to... And most don't know this but due to mathematical measurement each tier of Flare spell is calculated as 1000 times stronger than the previous. But not the case between Zetta and Exa, There is still one tier between the two. Flare

I would love a kingdom hearts went with more of a skill tree-based progression system, so if you want to choose the magician route to get stuff like meteor and ultima, have like a physical, magical, and support/ movement free that you can choose from when you level up

Bahamut in 14 didn't carve the planet as deeply as the Exaflare summon. It merely mauls the surface. While it does force the citizens to redraw the maps, it doesn't vaporize the continents entirely like Exaflare. That's likely why people say its Teraflare.

A popular head canon is that the Meteora spell we see in game is only the second level of the Meteo line. Giving us space to imagine an even bigger Meteoga (same to say UltimaRa and UltimaGa, but I don’t know if those ever happened already). That would of course be overkill but we know how show off the ff series likes to be.

Stopza being able to stop ultima feels kinda understandable, not being in the same power level, but being able to stop the cast in the middle of it and even forcing mickey to cast ultima before being completed, and as such, being a lot weaker (also, feels like the type of thing a villain like Xehanort would pull off and that would give them a really badass moment). I don't know, feels like an interesting way to make some of the magics in KH being less of raw power and more of a sittuation of "this spell might be strong, but it doesn't matter if you can't pull it off in time" type of spell. Would also explain why they didn't use it before, as it was a risky move that could be countered, so they only use it when things are going terribly wrong.

I don’t think I have ever heard the term “pull off” in a video so many times.

All the moments Donald didn't healed you led to this single moment for him.

Zeta flare is target spell thats why its laser hit teranort in that size because it depends how large the target is what the size the zeta flare is.

There is another magic featured in Final Fantasy that is around the level of Zetta Flare and Supernova, and that is Eden's signature move Eternal Breath, featured in both FF8 and FF14.

16’s bahamut is also in the exclusive club of using zetaflare

Being a longtime player of 14 we actually do "see" the move Bahamut uses to kick off Realm Reborn. Of course the Ultimate fights are re-tellings of the encounters and essentially just coked up hardcore fanservice but they still do hold some truth to what's going on. For example in the Unending Coils of Bahamut (UCoB from here on out) The name of the attack bahamut casts between adds phase and golden form is Tera Flare, which instantly kills you regardless of mitigation. Also many of his targeted and AOE attacks are Megaflares. HOWEVER in golden form His primary mechanics besides ark morhn and morn afah are Exa flares. Which kill you instantly (except counting tank privilege)

Donald strong af

I would love to see a fusion of Ultima and Flare used for a show directed by SquareEnix where the previous generation BBEG is defeated by the previous generation Hero using this fusion spell

For FF14 Bahamut, take a look at his ultimate fight, The Unending Coils of Bahamut. Bahamut casts what everyone dubs as, "oh no, that's the exact same cast as what was used to end the world/create the 7th Umbral Calamity, Terraflare

What amuses me about the Final Fantasy 14 bit, is that there are a number of things that have appeared after that would beat Bahamut's ass and steal his lunch money.

I'd say Tera Flare for FFXIV Bahamut is pretty accurate. It didn't "End the whole world", it scarred a pretty big chunk sure. But only a small part of the continent of Eorzea was really turned into a no mans land. Plenty of people also survived the events and live on to A Realm Reborn. If it was exaflare, there would be no more Eorzea. If it were Zeta, goodbye Hydaelyn.

Idk, I would assume that Donald, as the court magician, practices his magic quite a lot and perhaps casted it in practice once before (hopefully aiming away from any habitable planets), and it nearly killed him. Hell, if the different game series are parallel, not all connected, then for all we know Donald DEVELOPED Zetta Flair as a fire spell to rival Mickey’s Ultima or vise versa.

pretty sure one winged angel and supernova also serve as boss attacks like zetta flare that have become mainstays in the series for big baddies

Should be noted that of the three users of Zetta, Donald is the only character to not utilize any boost in power beforehand.

I feel like ZetaFlare is a spell meant to destroy whatever the target is, so it's size and power could vary from one cast to another

Funny part is that I got to the fight last night in FF16 I started freak out when he use it and my friend was like Donald Duck!?

Ultima the spell is at its undoubtedly strongest when used by the high seraph. Divine ultima creates an explosion neatly 5 times the width of ivalice as part of a cutscene Also, Donald can cast ultima in kh2 as part of trinity The strongest Canon spell in the entire squenix library is undoubtedly Eternal Breath. Which can end an entire galaxy when used by Eden Though I suppose the ff14 version of big bang is worth a mention too. Basically just being Domain expansion And another example from ff14 is Geocentrism. Which condenses the entire universe into a small platform to do mechanics on (though that one might be an illusion)

In the cases of FF16 Bahamut and Airy they both technically had external power sources to draw off of didn't they. Considering he likely used his life force supplement of His mana. It's extremely impressive.

Here is the best way to descibe the progression. Terraflare scorches the earth. Exaflare creates a large crater...Zettaflare would punch trough the crust of the earth into the mantal. Finally Yottaflare, in theory, would produce enough force to blast through to the core and overwhelm the force of gravity causing the earth to explode.

I love that the fan base just accepted that Donald is OP badass Wizard now despite the experience we all having

"Donald duck pulled off an attack that could quite literally destroy an entire world" NOT THE OUT OF CONTEXT LINES AGAIN

With FF14, whatever the spell was, in the cutscene Bahamut actually doesn’t finish casting the spell - it gets interrupted, so we don’t know how much it could really do

The fact that a duck and a fairy are in the same league as a literal Dragon God is hilarious 😂

Xiv's bahamut very well could've used terraflare as his calamity-causing attack because it didn't really destroy the world or take a big chunk out of it like we saw the exaflare laser do. It destroyed a bunch of cities and such by peppering the surface of the planet but wasn't close to actually breaking the planet itself