Now, this is exciting!

Send in the barrel and we can port it for you anytime!

To counteract that on the XC, some shooters will actually put in a heavier recoil spring to create additional feedback whether in “felt recoil” or to induce a touch of muzzle rise to track the dot easier

@@TheGentlemanGunner funny you say that, next time I'm out with the XC I have some springs I'm gonna swap around haha

How do you like the Apache?

@@robertloszewski1347 had some issues with it. The 3D printed grip was an absolute failure! The thumb safeties weren’t fit worth a crap, grip screws were finger tight, the trigger wasn’t fit all that well.. I installed a cheely E2 stainless steel grip and fixed the rest of the issues my self. Only gripe I have now is digging lead out of the comp

It does make a noticeable difference .

Where I see the improvement is in return to zero. It happens incredibly fast

Well… they are still my main competition gun and while there are things I like about the other guns in this video… something that sticks out is their customer service… amazing. Also, if you have one on order… you’re likely getting their “Gen 3”… in short… improved machining and trigger. It will feel buttery smooth and tight… virtually on par with an Infinity or Nighthawk.

All of these are high-end guns. I wouldn't consider any of these "starter" unless you have an unlimited budget

I'd get a Shadow 2 optics ready on sale for just over $1000.🤷🏻‍♂️ That said, I'm a CZ guy who recently discovered 2011s and dang, they're fun!

Gosh… these tough question 😂. Knowing what I know now, I’d probably lean on the XC. While I make my comments about how it transitions, I know it’s a learning curve that I could accommodate. I appreciate the stability of the platform and love how it cycles. A couple of things I would probably do… maybe a 9lb variable recoil spring (I prefer a touch more snap), aluminum grip to help with the balance, and a longer trigger shoe for my preference!

@@SEAKPhotog Unfortunately, the CZ Shadow 2 optic doesn't make weight in IDPA from the factory.

@Harleycowboy2000 Wow, just assumed it would. Thanks!

Got mine ported👍

The viper is a staccato XC, taran just messes with it a bit

This is how false rumors start as this statement is incorrect ​@@samr4584

@@samr4584 Thanks!

I like the DS9 over my Bul.

@SZ-uh5qi Good to hear. 👍🏻 What do you like better about it? I'm very curious how they'll compare. As far as slide to frame and barrel fit, my Air is steller. Trigger is very nice as well. I'm interested to see how I'll like the polymer vs aluminum grips. I thought about going with steel but I'm appreciating slightly lighter, more nimble guns lately (And hope I can convince MPA to sell me a steel grip if I feel I need one).

None of these do. I mention that more in the individual reviews. Didn’t think to mention it in this video for what we reason

I think I prefer your name for it 😂 Good eye, it had an aftermarket Magwell on it that the owner put on. So for the review, I took it off because that’s how it came originally and I did not have a retaining pin for that length.

@@TheGentlemanGunner I have the original TRS which was by Les Baer. He thinned the frame and it is hard fit. Unreal accuracy. It was my edc for years but now days, bueing near 70, i t got a little heavy. It is now a Staccato C-2 that I thinned the grip and stippled and ported and integral comped it finishing by 1 micron diamond lapping the bore. Dead accurate and a very soft shooter for such a light gun. But it is no Baer! ;

@@michaell397 I did not know that! I shot my friends older Les Baer (don’t remember the model) in 45. Beautiful and craftsmanship was unreal.

@@TheGentlemanGunner I don't shoot it much these days. I sometimes get the urge to trade it in and my Wife tells me I will be sorry. so i take it out of the safe and shoot a little and am still amazed at the accuracy and smooth action. Being hard fit, you would think it would be unreliable.Thousands of rounds and only issue has been failure to lock back every once in awhile with Wilson 47D mags. never a ftf, never a fte. Always dead on. Folks that tell you that a 1911 is undependable have never owned a really well built 1911 or 2011. My Staccato is accurate and never an issue but it is no Les Baer. I met Mr. les years ago when he was campaign his record holding Mustang Drag Car. . He held the record for a while. man he can drive! We hit it right off. He didn't mention his 1911 business. I learned later who he was in the 1911 world and gave him a call. I have small hands and he suggested the thinned TRS Model. Been in love with it ever since I got it. Probably 15 to 20 years now and completely dependable the entire time! I think they replaced the TRS with their Gun Site Model. KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years in the Craft

Not at this time 😬

I've got the DS9 and XC as well and the DS9 is probably more grippy than the XC. Do you have the standard or aggressive grips on the DS9?

@@chipreier1 I have no clue. I bought it from a certified dealer as my first competition style 2011. I would assume it was the A2 grips based off my Atlas grips and the LOK Jaws grips I had on my shadow 2. Even with A2 I would think they would not be that slick. I like the pistol a lot but this is driving me bonkers. Maybe there is residue or something there. Any recommendations?

And to defend MPA products and the people that work ther, I have not addressed this with them. They were amazing when I was asking about barrel porting and persistent inquiries on status. I think his name was Dave and another guy that was in charge of the porting process. Good people and I will continue to advocate for MPA and how good the gun truly is.

I bought the DS9 the same way, it was in stock in a local gun store and it was also my intro to competition 2011's. I'd say you must have the regular texture grip because the aggressive texture is definitely grippier than the rough textured XC. Give them a call, I'm sure they can verify which texture you have. I think they sell the aggressive grip seperately, but I'm not sure how much fitting you'd need to do. How much better is the ported vs unported DS9? I've been thinking about having mine ported.

@@chipreier1 I’ve really enjoyed it ported. I’m not a groupy but if the gentleman did it and he has skills already, I figured it could only help. He gives great advice and I really appreciate those that I follow on KZfaq opinions. Every competition style gun I have minus my Atlas was based off of his, the humble marksman’s, and the honest outlaw’s reviews. DS9 ported awesome, Bul Air awesome, XC koolaide drinking awesome, Atlas Artemis - beyond awesome. Now I just need to go out and find a place to compete and be the guy with the fancy guns that gets smoked by some kid with a Glock 43x or a slingshot. Not many competitions in SW OK.

A3 on my LOC; A2 on the IDPA (one in the video)

​@@TheGentlemanGunnerHow would you compare the LOC non ported to the Ported Hybrid, as far as recoil? Thank you.

@@DaveandDebe the way I have my ported gun sprung promotes a really fast and tight return to zero… but you feel it more in the hands. The LOC is a super soft shooter and it feels really slow especially after shooting my ported gun… although in reality it’s actually quick.

@@TheGentlemanGunner 👍, thank you

lol no