Biggest problem I have with this game is that at times it feels like you’re losing to the character instead of the person playing.

"The character was a absolute menace" *proceeds to show a murder*

The only major fuck up consistent with every major fighting game is easy to play characters being way too dominant. There needs to be greater incentives for playing difficult to use characters other than "feeling smarter".

What gets me is that spammers tend to win on most skill levels. If you dont spam and try defending - you lose. I'm all for lowering skill floor, but it just feels wrong for braindead monkeys to be favored by the game mechanics especially online.

Azucena is probably one of the best examples you could have given, even the counter to the while running (sidestep block) is inconsistent. And when you lose to that character its never “I was outplayed”. It’s “wow character did all the work for them.” And it becomes a mental game of still trying to learn from that even when the game feels most bullshit.

I get tired of the pros that play games sometimes. There are times that I believe some of them only complain about mechanics if they negate their play style and have no opinion on the mechanics that are broken but give them an edge as a result of it that they don't want to see corrected. There are plenty of Madden pros like this out there for sure.

It is extremely mash friendly. It can be annoying when someone you know you’re better than happens to throw out the correct number of mash friendly evasive strings. Also, tekken 8 newcomers getting into purple and beyond should be telling imo.

As someone who followed T7 from 2014 all the way to launch, i find it hilarious T7 fans calling T8 dumbed down like salty TTT2 fans havent been shitting on T7 for years. T7s gameplay is straight up based on Tekken revolution which was a dumbed down version of TTT2/T6

Tekken 8 takes allot of skill but players who are alrasdy good at the game can't see that because they're already the best of the best, what is easy to them is very hard for your average Tekken player and what is hard for them is near impossible for the average player.

I don’t think a noob can beat a pro. I’ve just started tekken and I constantly get blasted by people in orange. I can’t even imagine fighting someone in god of destruction or tekken lord where pro players are. Their gameplay feels like we’re playing different games.

Holy shit you fought jaja! that's LTG's rival he stays beating him on stream & with the corny sonic outfits. LTG got be so bad he put him on timeout lol.

I agree with him. Modern fighting games for you. Its not about hard reads, space control and movement no more. 50/50s and plus frame pressure is the priority now

"Tekken 8 Takes Zero Skill & No Hardwork" *me stuck at ass-rank* okey then

Tekken has always been unreasonably and unnecessarily hard. Making 8 a little easier was sorely needed. There's literally NO reason that someone should need to be a god-tier master of execution just to MOVE BACKWARDS.

tbf with the way certain characters are in the game i dont blame him for thinking that. That being said i think it's the usual phase every fighting game goes through once the honeymoon phase is over of "old game good ,new game bad"

The only way I can see someone say Tekken is “easy” is because it’s kind of masher friendly and there tends to be a lot of people who mash to get their moves/combos out. Or they are using certain characters that allow them to get away with some bs. Even though fighting games as a whole have been watered down over time compared to back in the day, Tekken is far from easy and is one of the more difficult games to be good at.

Either I am the worst player in the world or this game does indeed require skill. I have yet to win one match online. My son clowns me and calls me dogwater.

Some people like turtle defensive style and it's currently dead.

If marduk is the second dlc character after eddy I'll never play another tekken again

I'm an Alisa main, and I can agree that Alisa does carry pretty hard. Been playing her since Tekken 6, and I only got into competitive during Season Three of Tekken 7. And I openly admit that her chainsaws are stupidly busted in this game, as well as her movement being incredibly solid. I'm not ashamed to admit that she can carry, and I embrace that.

I mean its true. This is more of a guessing game than a fighting game. Frame advantage is just way too much, and combo strings do absurd damage with minimal investment. Its pretty much a game of twitching around until someone gets launched and takes half their life in damage a couple times.

I personally hated fighting against turtles in previous Tekken games because I don't have pacience to play too safe or defensively, that's one of the reasons I think T8 is special, it really incentivizes you to attack and be offensive.

I just want the bullshit mashing to stop.

Pros thinking the game was made for them when in consensus they just make up 0.1% of the game community.

Tekken 8 has been a Godsend. My life is legitimately improving.

Well, the character carry part is 1 billion % true. In Tekken king rank I only face the most unbalanced op characters which everyone put at s or a+ in tier list. And the fun part is that they dont know how to backdash or punish or sidestep. They dont know some of the important fundementals of tekken to be in Tekken king rank but the easy 50/50 and unga bunga pressure gives them free wins like Alisa chainsaws, azucena's runing 32 and f1+2, devil jins bulshit heat smash and flying stance and deagonovs running 2 and d2.

The 0 work part, can't agree with. That sounded like the saltiest of tweet lmao. It's easier, but you still need to know wtf you're doing to rank up.

As someone with a league of legends background I feel like most people take ranks too seriously considering the game just came out a few months ago. Similarly to how ranks don't matter that much in the beginning of a LoL season. Many reach top 200 ranks just because they spammed ridiculous amounts of games at the very start of the season just to drop drastically after a few months. The ranking system can't possibly know everyone's exact skill level in such a short amount of time. People will be matched against others who are way out of their league or below it. This makes it so a lot of people reach a rank that they actually don't deserve. Give it another half a year and the system will adjust way better.

Arslan tweet: Tekken 8 be like: Heat burst, Heat smash, power crushes, heat engagers, throws… that's it? 🤔 Seriously, why did they even bother giving each character a variety of moves?

There are 2 concepts people always forget about: Ranked games (tourneys/casuals as well to an extent) are far easier to climb at the beginning than it is years later down the line; With the flood of new players to T8 there are far more opponents you can "farm" for points in order to rank. Getting a high rank in a fighting game's beginning is far easier than it is than at the end of its lifespan, because only the most dedicated/hardcore players are left by then. People ALWAYS complain about new mechanics and things "making the game easier". I can personally track this back to the SF Alpha series when people were complaining that air blocking, alpha counters making the game have little to no skill, little did they know that the actual broken mechanics wouldn't be found out until years later like Custom Combos.

I mean people act like by lower the skill floor they have lowered the skill ceiling too, which is untrue because nobody knows that the skill ceiling is ffs them as a pro have the job to show us what the ceiling looks like instead of ranting about how much the floor has been lowered

I quit gaming altogether due to the "dumbing-down" of literally every game I've enjoyed since childhood. Grew up playing tag 1 in arcades, Tekken has always been my jam. T7 was absolute garbage to me, hated the nerfed movement but I still gave it a chance. The second I saw gameplay of T8, I decided to quit gaming. I didn't buy this shit game and it's shocking to me how suddenly everyone is saying this game sucks but decided to still buy it. This game does not deserve the high sales and ratings it has. Consumers will just buy shit cause it's new, it's really the players fault for how the game is. I kept saying since the launch of T7, make movement great again like it was in tag 2 or T5-7. The T8 beta was a complete waste of time; they ignored all that feedback. Such a shame.

pro players who been playing tekken for 30 years: tekken 8 takes no skills everybody else: this game is fking impossible

i love hearing about rlly good players complain about the new install of their franchise being easier than past installs, and i think to myself does that not mean u should be dominating if you were already killing it in the harder installs?

It def takes skill still but rage is cheesy. Always has been imo. You can be winning a match sometimes and lose simply because a person presses R2 through your attack. They should make a mode or option without rage.

It's really funny to see the "OG" Fortnite player attitude in Tekken. The kinds of players that get mad at change and act like they're above everyone else because they played the game longer Just like the other goofy complaint that Tekken 8 is "too anime" as if this franchise hasn't had fighting bears, robots, and other crazy stuff for many years

Am trusting the guy whose gone toe to toe with Arslan Ash over the butthurt new players all day. He's exaggerating but i think we get his point

Every character is so broken, I hope they heavily Nerf Leroy and Kazuya to beneath rock bottom to solve this problem

Tekken is known for being easy to play and very hard to dominate due to the skill and time that requires to. While I do agree Tekken 8 is easier than Tekken 7, it's still a complex game and that's why is so good because it pushes you to learn more and more if you are committed to have consistency and discipline, compared to MK1 which is a lame ass easy boring game Tekken 8 is a more complete game and very fun to play, I mean look at King or Bryan, super fun to play but difficult to dominate and I love it. Practice makes the master after all.

How is this even a debate? The skill floor is definitely lowered here and I'm alright with this. The problem is when you also mix in the plethora of many bs moves with little to no counter play. Azucena wr32 Victor wr2 Feng heat stomp Heat smashes tracking perfectly ALISA These are off the top of my head. Countering this shit is infinitely harder than doing it. These moves need to get changed coz the game is already easier. Having these absurd moves just sucks when your character doesn't have them too. So either give every character some bullshit with no defense too or balance the bs moves particularly

We are basically playing Vanilla T8 and it's already _magnitudes_ better than T7 S4

It's not just a Tekken problem it's a fighting game problem. As brought up in the video, every new installment makes whatever franchise in question easier. When I was younger most people never even considered playing fighting games because they were so averse or even afraid of losing and not being able to do much about it. Easy solution for developers to get more sales, lower the skill ceiling so that everyone gets to feel more like a winner. The only negative is people that do put in the work to learn the game start to see how their efforts aren't enough to make the super tuned up game mechanics meant to assist newbies no longer a problem. I believe the frustration mainly comes from this feeling. The same broken mechanics or characters still feel like the same broken mechanics or characters no matter how good you get at the game because they were designed to be a brainless equalizer. Another problem that comes up is when a good player gets their hands on a tool that is powerful even in the hands of a scrub, that tool becomes busted. Lastly this approach to game design for fighting games has pretty much homogenized playstyles and characters. Everything is rushdown/50-50 oriented now in almost every new fighting game.

I hate/love the changes, at first I was really on the fence of Heat, but then I came across a Raven who chipped me to death with Heat art spam, and that shit bothers me. Chip damage should NOT be in this game imho. It really dumbs down the game and tbh it makes defense a moot point bc knowledgeable players will chip you in situations where your defense was supposed to pay off. Simply playing Def will get you shit on, and I feel like that's a bad direction in this game where both offense and defense were always supposed to be a balanced mix. Heat specific character changes also bothered me, I played Heihachi for years and now that he's gone and characters get automatic electrics out of Heat, it just makes me feel bad for even taking the time out to learn. On the flipside, it feels great to see many players trying out Mishima chars for their ease of access now, and I appreciate many players just now getting into the game. Heat also being a damn near "get out of pressure" card kind of irks me too, as you have to be careful the whole time someone has Heat available or else you might get your turn stolen. I used to hate Rage Art for this very reason. I enjoy Tekken, period, so I am going to play it regardless, and overall I feel like Tekken 8 is a great entry into the series. It's beautiful, from the actual cinematics to the music, to character specific interactions; just an all around dope game. I am happy with almost everything, and to be fair most of my gripes are me doing exactly as you said. Bringing my Tekken 7 play style to a totally different game, when I should be adapting to new changes, mainly the offense centric gameplay and Heat awareness.

Forced 50/50's off heat smashes, throws that track, ridiculous tracking on some strings, needless to say this game feels unfinished.

Certain pro players will always complain. Especially if they pick a character and can't annihilate everyone with them. Look at Punk and SF6. The guy picks Cammy and she's not terrible, but not the best in the game. Gets close but never wins a tournament with her. Picks a different character and doesn't win another tournament. Complains that Capcom needs to assist him somehow. This is no different. Another entitled Pro player that's complaining about "git good" when they themselves have constantly told people to get good. I laugh at them over this and call it just deserts.

The problem is they encourage aggression and want to implement it. Aggression has been proven to be inherently less skill needed than defensive gameplay. ALSO just because the better player wins does not mean the better player wins CONSISTENTLY against the worse player

I’ve been playing Tekken since T3 and started taking it seriously around T6. (For reference, I was a Tekken God Omega in T7 and TGP with a handful of characters & I made it to God of Destruction on T8 in the first month. Not that I think rank means all that much, but I do get to play high level players frequently.) Tekken 8 has definitely joined the “hand holding” trend for newer players. Players who were previously renown for their defensive prowess are now underperforming. The game is requiring defensive players to completely change their playstyles and players who were already extremely offensive are thriving. I don’t think Tekken 7 had it correct either, eating 30-40% for getting low parried wasn’t reasonable either. But at least in Tekken 7 it felt like your offense had to be more thought out because there was a risk to lows.

It is true. T8 caters to button mashers.

Tekken 8 is scrub based mechanics

Played Shaheen and felt like I had to work super hard in purples playing really fundamental tekken...then I switched to Azucena and decided to abuse every broken thing about the heat system and her moveset and got to Fujin with a near 70% winrate...there is definitely skill involved as you climb the ranks...punishment gets you a long way, but people need to realize this is Tekken 8 not Tekken 7 the game does not favor defense and the player who goes more crazy seems to win more often and I don't see them wanting to change that too much

As someone who only played Tekken VERY casually I’m curious, when did this “dumbing down” begin? Was Tekken 2 a dumbed down version of Tekken 1?

Honestly I think the game Ash is playing at the top of rank is very different than the game I'm playing. To me tekken 8 is still a very complex difficult game.

Its become a daily thing now that whenever I see the new Mike Hollow vid I gotta pause what im doing or catch a break for 20 mins to watch it thru, really love what your doing bro. I'm curious to know if you think that T8 has a higher skill ceiling than T7? Ofcourse the game is VERY very early in its lifecycle as you mentioned so we cant tell fully yet but based off the tools at the players disposal now (Heat, changed Rage Arts, moveset changes) do you think this leads to a higher level of play at the professional level?

I don't agree with the people saying that top players "aren't as good as they think they are" obviously - that statement is asinine. What I HAVE seen to be true is that top players are still prone to say scrub things when they are frustrated. Their complaints come from frustration rather than pulling from the large pool of fighting game knowledge they possess. I think we can all agree if MenaRD isn't the best SF player in the world he's top 3, and he has already succumbed to frustrated scrub talk. That doesn't make him not the best, it just means sometimes these players can get emotional and their wits get away from them.

too many comeback mechanics, why should the losing player be rewarded for losing ? in what universe does this make any sense ???

a pro can still win a noob and we should be thankful for that? what about the people who are higher intermediate, and so on... its way more complex to just talk about the pro's vs noobs, damn man.. im tekken king/emperor right now, i can get blown up in a ft2 by some scrub who doesnt know anything about the mechanics of tekken except spamming out flowcharts and nonsense, you cant always guess right, you cant always react to an avalanche of nonsensical spam etc... sometimes i feel like im at the disadvantage bcs i actually know the framedata and the possibilities bcs i feel like id better be off spamming like a dumbass myself oftentimes... its really sad bcs the identity of this game is almost completely gone, there is no neutral game anymore, its one forced mixup after another, its complete trash. T7 might be easier than t6 but at least it respects the core mechanics of tekken... this one is something different, its the middle between complete trash and somehow still resembles tekken but its really not plausible to actually play tekken if you re not a topplayer, .. the next one will be full trash thats for sure, so maybe now is the time to quit this hobby after 15 years

Skill gap is definitely lowered but it still takes skill and dedication to get competitive results. If that isn't the case, then I expect to see random dudes in Top 8 on upcoming twt events. Let's be real, we'll still be seeing the same names up there.

There’s a difference between mashing randomly and mashing strategically. If someone isn’t respecting your plus frames, you’re not to blame and until they correct their mistake in game, they’re almost always going to lose as a result. Mashing random strings allows the opportunity to interrupt, duck and punish, etc.. After you pass a certain rank you’re not gonna get away with mashing, doesn’t matter what character you have and how much you do it, eventually you’ll be read like a book and won’t progress any further. This is where character knowledge comes into play.

Nothing to dispute here, good take. Easy to get emotional and forget how excellent Tekken 8 is as a fighting game product. As a product it's the best Tekken has ever been, with more to offer everyone at all skill levels than ever before. Not saying that makes it above criticism but as pointed out in this video, the critism here isn't a new complaint if you've been around the fgc and it's an issue with fighting games in general. You're always going to have top tiers.

What I notice is that too many characters have got too many easy launchers and plus frames compared to others

The people who keep bragging about getting a high rank with this being their first tekken are leaving out that they probably have been playing fighting games for years and are able to learn much faster than most

Idk about yall but I busted my ass to get to blue ranks. Taking ass whooping after ass whooping without plugging. Eventually I broke through but I still get fucked over because when I’m about to beat Someone higher than me they plug. It’s annoying and I feel like the work I put it means nothing

Honestly. Every character has counter play. The heat system is just a little too strong right now. Offense is very oppressive and they just need make the risk higher to match the reward Heat gives each character.

I think this whole schism stems from character imbalance. I actually don't see why certain characters get a 10-frame Heat Smash (Jack8), another a 13-frame full screen hadou ken (Jun) while others have 16-frame heat smashes which can never come out when under pressure. This is not even counting the Heat specialties like Reina's auto high & mid parry while other characters don't even have anything nearly as good. All of these compounded with imbalanced +frame moves like Dragunov. So most of the OP characters have a few things in common - good heat smash, + frame moves, hellsweeps into juggles and good 50-50s. Those who have maybe 3 out of 4 of these things are A-tier. Those who have 1 out of 4 are C-tier.

The problem with T8 is the skill ceiling dropping, the skill floor dropping is a good thing because it gets more people playing but so did the ceiling indirectly nerfing skills that people have built, that’s the main thing I hope with the future updates is rebuilding the skill ceiling somewhere close to T7

Even a newcomer can easily beat an experienced player in Tekken 8.

King is a joke. Stage hazards are a joke. Heat is a joke. Characters that have crazy mixups + low launchers + crazy counterhits + launching throws. WHY?! No infinite rematch is a joke. People hate on my main Hwoa, but there are literally 10 others characters in the game right now who do the exact same rushdown stuff, and even better and more effective then hwoa does. Moves that are so fast and hard to telegraph that nothing that happens with some characters makes sense. (Reina, Lars, Raven, Victor, DVJ) Projectiles being in the game, wich makes spacing irrelevant. Gaurd breaks at the wall, cause ofcourse lets punish defending even more. Chip damage is a joke. Grabs being tracking, shortened break window, means that everyone needs to be a god at breaking now. And the damage, or oki situations they give or wallsplats are bs. Oki in this game is completely broken. Way to many moves hit you while grounded, sometimes u cant even get up. Game sometimes comes down to 2 touches and you are dead. And I bet all the DLC characters will be even more broken then the next. Cause all this joke of a company cares about is money.

If Tekken 8 had magic 4s it'd be fine. Some way of getting your opponent to think for two seconds before dropping the next mashy safe string.

you know the game is braindead when characters like Claudio are now considered honest and take skill🤣(Claudio Main)

I'm Marduk player, too in Tekken 7! Stopped on Tekken King with Marduk after years and I think it's very hard to get Tekken God with him and keep staying it all the time. In Tekken 8 I have played Jack 8 since the release for almost the very first time and now already on Kishin almost getting Bushin. I really miss Marduk and can't wait to see how he will be complete in Tekken 8 ✅💥

I think there are definitely a handful of characters that people who don’t really understand the mechanics and just mash buttons can use to get up to the mid ranks, but I don’t think you’re gonna get any higher, unless you step up your guard gain more knowledge of the other fighters, and game mechanics

I just hate Dragunov….bro they get some many frames on block with some of the shit they spam on me

I reached Tekken King in 3 days now I could mostly fight people with equal skills as me. I don't complain about mashing, wake up rage arts because I'm not a scrub who reached blue rank now and thinks his opinion is valid but can't handle Victor 222 spam, fff2 and b1+2. My complaints are exculsively about characters. T7 was also an easy game. Purple and Early Blue rank filled with textbook players. Same will be here with Fujin - Bushin and early golden will be filled with Reinas, Kings, Juns, Azus and etc. Play TTT1 and T5 if you want hard Tekken and get fcked by Bruce and Steve spamming 1,2,1,2 just like you did in T8 ranked with Lars' u3+4. And you know the neat part? You can't counter that, it's not T8 when you could duck or SS but your dying braincells decided whine on the internet instead.

So basically there's no way that a casual player can get better even after playing Tekken 7 casualty for 8 years

From T1 to T5 and skipped to TTT2 (my last Tekken), I can tell you that us older players rely on concentration because we had a great footies game that was developed over years of honing our concentration. The rage/heat system does a few things rather disrespectfully: 1. Demolishes neutral play, forcing a rush type style of fighting. 2. Destroys concentration via excess cinematics/theatrics. 3. Interrupts guaranteed blows with armored attacks, which also disrupts concentration. It's a game that requires concentration to learn how to play/fight but doesn't require it to win matches, which is throwing us concentrators way off. It's rather insulting because what a LOT of us are losing to are what I call "Armor Carriers", people who whip out Rage/Heat at EVERY opportunity. Others lost to people who abuse Rage/Heat and immediately transition into juggling, which has needed techniques to break the chains since Tekken 3 dropped.

I've been thinking of playing Alisa, thanks for the extra push!

I've played Tekken from 2 to 6. I skipped 7 because I wasn't pleased with pt 6. The heat system annoyed me seeing how it gives the underdog an advantage. As I watch T8 vids, I'm not a huge fan of how long juggles can last. It's like once you've been launched, you better hope that your opponent isn't playing as Feng or Bryan, and you better hope that he'll just mess up during the juggle... otherwise you're dead. It seems like there's basically no way to get up after being traveled across the stage. It still looks like fun, but I can see where the complaints are coming from for some things.

Welcome to the world of gaming we live in now. I came from Overwatch/League/Halo so forth. Every company is just dumbing down their game, and making their games engagement optimized to keep casuals playing the game. Sadly we are watching Tekken fall to this, as an effort to attract new players.

Yesterday I saw a streamer just mashing her buttons with Lili from blue ranks to red, just mashing kicks and spamming rage arts every start of the round, it was hilarious but also really sad to watch.. meanwhile people actually try to get good and learn combo's and frames and punishments. Yet just mashing 2 buttons and spamming rage art gets you to the same rank.

The issue is there's a massive power disparity between characters, which makes tier whores all play the same characters and it's very boring, moreover it makes the game boring to watch when one character has every tool possible (Jun) or has a move that does everything (Azu). The fun with games comes from assymetry and strength VS strength. When a football game has two 99 overall teams that everyone uses, it's boring. When characters don't have counterplay and can just push buttons, it's boring. If every character had to play by tekken rules ala Kazuya, then the game would be more fun.

Tekken 8 Jun will carry you to the mf moon!!!

how to save the game: -GREATLY buff movement -reduce +frames on block - dont nerf Heat but make the gage buildup and carry over to the next round. So its not a no brain move to always throw out at the end of every single round. - give us more options against heat smashes. It is incredibly frustrating if you know eactly when they are gonna do it but you simply have no option but to block and take the mixup afterwards. Also parries should work against Heat smashes.

I played against a king player at emperor who was indistinguishable from a jaguar stepping green rank player, no shade to green rank player's. These player's sit alongside other player's I'll match with in blues that have what I've come to expect from this level of play. The skills are all over the place. I also knew two player's who were hard stuck in red ranks throughout the tekken 7 life span who got to fujin in their first week of tekken 8, both player's dropped the game one even said she didn't feel it was deserved and actually stopped streaming the game after having streamed tekken 7 regularly for 5 year's. I don't think Namco fully understands how alienating they have made their game

I agree on sf6 ...perfect example how to cater to both player base casuals/pros

I feel like i got worse at tekken since tekken 8 because i tend to match the level of play of my opponent so when i play bots i typically spam and play like a bot vice versa anybody else feel the same?

I remember the tekken 6 law and bob thing, but I disagree that law was harder to play than anything at that point. He's always been brainlessly easy to play, super low risk and high reward. But yeah Bob was the king of brainless back then for sure. So you know he'll be in Tekken 8 as dlc.

i think a lot of people miss the point when a pro says the game is easier or "takes no skill" ... while in previous tekkens certain characters exceled at certain situations, in tekken 8 pretty much everyone can just 50/50 you all the time, and keep you GUESSING and instead of "knowing the matchup" it just becomes a casino game like some people are calling it! I personally dont think its THAT bad... yet... but i can see the issue moving forward... i guess we are just going to have to wait for some patches and see what they do with it

I don't agree with the "some players get carried by some characters, just accept it" mentality. Fighting games should always strive to keep some semblance of balance and there shouldn't be characters that can just cheese out wins.

All I'm gonna say is we'll wait till things get balanced down the line

As someone who likes fighting games but sucks at them, I feel like people who are good sometimes don't realize that it's easy for them, but it's not as easy as they think it is. And I understand. When you've been good at something for too long you kinda forget how difficult it is for a beginner. I've been trying to learn how to play guitar for months, and only now I can play basic versions of some songs. However, if I were to ask people that are good at guitar, they'd find those songs ridiculously easy. Back on the topic of games, I understand what it's like to see franchises get easier. The difference between fallout 3 and 4 is huge. But, games need the casual audience as well. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a balance between both sides, but if we only consider the perspective of pro players, fighting games will be impossible for beginners.

I saw a Flame Ruler Reina once spamming a few moves and the rolling kicks moves in heat and doing Heat Smashes. Makes me realize how such players even get to purple bro💀💀💀

I know for one thing they DEFINITELY tuned down execution Like i feel like the people using lee in 8 wouldn't touch him in 7 for example

I’m just feeling like heat is so unbalanced right now and that’s really the only thing bothering me and it has bothered me since launch. Some characters like Raven have these ridiculous robbery rage inducing heat smashes whilst most have some pathetic telegraphed crap. Heat itself is also pretty wack some characters get good tools others just get gimmicks right now with steve I feel like his heat is so underwhelming nobody is really even afraid of anything I can do I just get this telegraphed command grab that the opponent has 2 chances to avoid. With bryan I’m a little happier because I can spam some pretty oppressive stuff when I got someone against the wall and Kazuya is just kind of weak. I thought he was insanely strong because I played him in the demo and compared him to his iteration in 7 but now that every character is out I just feel like he’s alot like Steve occupying the underwhelming category. His new moves are good and I’m not complaining it’s just that when I fight some of these insanely oppressive characters like Dragunov, Azucena, Jun, Nina my characters don’t have offense like that and 75 percent of the round I’m running and blocking because a psychopath with dragunov can just run me down.

Honestly as someone who came from a mk background, and tekken 3… I can kind of see where he’s coming from, for me tekken 8 is a really good game. But I wouldn’t say it’s easy I think there’s a lot of cheap shit in the game that gives newer players “like me” a chance to actually win “such as super moves” which is my personal problem in all fighting games. But you can’t deny that tekken 8 has given a lot of tools to actually learn. So this point does kind of fall on his face

It’s definitely easier and you can win with little skill with some characters

I agree a little with some characters and heat is gay. Because it makes u respect your opponent when they haven’t earned it

As a beginner, entering tekken and currently self identifying as intermediate. I am absolutely pleased with the game since launch. However, the better I got, the more flaws I see with the game. The more I realize "hey that's not reactable" or "wow, wth am I supposed to do if I don't gain the advantage right away?" I love what the tekken 8 team did that allowed me to enjoy the game but I hope to see some adjustments made. I like the heat system, but some things are far to powerful.

I've played since ttt1, and like you said other than T5, every new Tekken is easier than the last. That being said, I think in Tekken 8 this is worse than I've ever seen it. It's jumped to another level now, the amount of spam in this game, easy access to force mixups etc, it's never been quite like this. Better players will usually still win but I've also watched on KZfaq good players struggling more than they should to deal with the new mechanics. I think namco did this on purpose, it's no accident. They want to bring in more players to make money. I reckon over time, they'll improve things a bit, as they will be caring more about longevity than standing out as a new game. But for now, players will have to deal with it.

Being a long time tekken player myself I have to agree. Tekken 8 definitely don't take skill. Previous tekken which I love for the skill factor and knowledge. Tekken 8 out of all them is a party game. Now it's fun but taken it serious I rate it on a scale from 1 to 10. I will give it a 4.5

Let's hope that VF reboot stays true to VF...