Okay so when i recorded this i hadnt yet found shaman village and as soon as i found the braid i was like well shit. Damn games an onion

Next video is about how i misunderstood mohg for two years

Kindly Miquella, friendly miquella, tender miquella …….dearest miquella. Poor Mohg. In hindsight, he seemed like a pretty down to earth guy.

You misunderstood! The Shamans are Marikas people. Marikas vilage was Shaman Village up north. The Hornsent oppressed them and used them to create the jar people. They have an affinity for attaching to other living things. The hornsent spirit at Bonny Village talks about how thats all Shaman are good for. The meat pile people that attack have Marikas symbol on their forehead and Marikas look. All this in lore btw.😢

I did not expect you to be the first of my favorite Elden Ring loretubers coming out with new content. Always enjoy your perspective and your style.

As someone who thought Miquella was a bad guy from the start, I’ve been feeling very vindicated lately.

Perhaps this is just my interpretation but I think this is the most major plot point of them all... The insides of the jars are Marika's people (villagers from the Hinterlands) before her apotheosis. The Hornscent are responsible for this and as a result, Marika understandably orders Messmer on a crusade against the Hornscent after she becomes a God. If you look at the people inside the jars, they have a forehead seal (a la Berserk) that matches Rada/ika's Soreseals. Messmer's Shadow Castle also has a triage area in the basement as though they tried to help Marika's people after their Jarification. It's possible to visit Marika's village in the top right area of the DLC and she's has left a lock of her hair and an incantation there. Retroactively, I can see why Marika was disgusted by the Omen twins and treated them horribly. The Hornscent aren't innocent.

SPOILERS AHEAD Marika was from the Shaman Village as confirmed by item descriptions and officials sources calling the Land of Shadow the place where Marika first set foot (thus making the Shamans part of the Numen as Marika is also a Numen, I'm guessing the Shamans are not the only Numen tho as they still exist in the current age despite an item description telling that the village was empty by the time Marika went back to bless it, making it seem like all the Shamans but her were killed), no wonder she went on to crusade against the hornsent and impose a purge on the omen in revenge for making jar abominations out of her people. Messmer also has hospital rooms in which it seems like the tried to cure the jar transformed shamans. The gates of divinity are used by both Marika and Miquella to ascend to godhood (as seen in the story trailer and the final boss cutscene respectively), but an interesting detail is that those gates are made out of a shitton of non horned bodies (we see it was flesh rather than stone in the trailer), so the hornsent probably created them through methods akin to how they made the jars, or maybe the jars are even a part of the process (explaining the "saint" thing). Why they made it? To ascend to godhood seems like the obvious answer, the tower also has a big Tower of Babel theme, fitting with it becoming their downfall as Marika, seduced by the two fingers, is the one who uses the gates against the hornsent by becoming a goddess.

Those jars are filled with Marikas family.

1st up to bat with the lore videos! I appreciate the light touch. Just enough to spark discussion but not spoiling anything late game. =)

About the Lands Between jars; I had a theory after the second or third time I found Alexander trapped in a hole. What if the purpose of the jars in the lands between is to feed the Erdtree/minor erdtrees? Golden Order burial customs involve placing the dead in the Erdtree/Greattree roots, and the roots can be seen absorbing the bodies, and Miquella fed the Haligtree with his own blood, so clearly these trees grow from blood, viscera and perhaps souls. This could be why there's dozens of jars around many minor erdtrees, their roots may not go deep enough to be used for burial purposes so the jars feed them their contents directly. Alexander might subconsciously be digging himself into holes near an unsprouted erdtree seed.

The new gaols are interesting to compare to Marika's Land's Between because there are no fully formed gaol systems but there are Evergaols. When she took power, everyone who didn't want to be part of her order was murdered, and any individuals who committed crimes afterward were kept in containment, basically as they were, forever. Another example of obsessively trying to uphold some kind of status quo situation and an example of the stagnation that comes with it. Kind of understandable given what was done to her people. It's also an example of From's exceptional environmental storytelling because they actually use negative space to do it.

This DLC literally gives "Living Jar" a new meaning!

Keep ‘em coming! Your vid’s have easily become my favorite I love your level of laid back speculation. Also definitely do individual vids for each npc I feel like there’s a lot going on there for each of them. Moore seems very simple quest wise but I’d bet there’s something going between him, the kindred and the version of the rot we see in the dlc maybe even some connection to the mother of fingers because of his weird armor and shield but that’s pure speculation

I kept this one pretty light because i really dont wanna spoil any major events, that being said i think there maybe a spoiler in the final thoughts

Joined ya for the Outro 🔥 Based video, I'm excited to play further into the DLC... it's so good! and the music is fantastic 🤩 I appreciate you taking it easy for now. I'm keen asf to talk abiut it too XD

It's my understanding that shamans and sages were targets of the hornsent as heretical things.

Dude this DLC shook up the entire lore foundation we thought we had. The lore bombs in this DLC are immense and give me the full emotional spectrum.

The inards enemies are very similar to the grandmother inside the tree in marika village. I think that means all the jar are filled with shamans, the women only culture of young marika ( much like the black blades wich marika have ties to).

Been waiting for a dlc vid

I'm kind of disappointed you didn't talk about shaman village in this video, the implications of that area along with lore details with Bonny village is undoubtedly my favorite part of the DLC

So excited for the eventual Igon video!

If you want to know more about their origins, seek out the Hinterlands. Marika has a history with these things.

WOOO WE LOVE HONORED MADMAN CONGRATS ON THE 26K

Awesome video, as always. Keep this shit coming, brotha!

I remember I found a cookbook item which indicated Bonny village was the origin of the jar practice. Also the use of the jars in the shadow realm as a sort of insane punishment seems quite different than in the lands-between, where they seem to be used as basically fertilizer and not made from prisoners seemingly. Alexander just gathers up remains from the battle of aeonia after all. POSSIBLE SPOILER: Someone mentioned a theory that Marika's people from the Shaman village in the Hinterlands were actually taken by the Hornsent and mashed into the jars and Marika was the sole survivor. That's why the minor erdtree incantation says she bathed the area in healing light despite knowing there was nobody left. If true it would explain a lot, like why she wanted the Hornsent wiped out in the first place and why she removed death from the Elden ring, as an effort to prevent the suffering she went through from ever happening again.

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subbed at your bong rip, thank you for that.

I'm back to watching Madman's videos to get the full picture of the lore without playing the videogame, same as Elden Ring's original release. Good stuff.

10:20 Habibi we want everything 😂

One point that is interesting to me now is the difference between the potentates in the lands between and the lands of shadow. while in the lands of shadow the potentates are rough and gruel butchers in the lands between the jars demand a potentate with soft hands. Maybe that was something Marika invented, as someone with soft hands is clearly not violent.

Anyone with an item like the bewitching branch was NEVER GONNA BE A GOOD GUY

Actually a bit creeped out exploring that cave and the specimen storeroom, felt like bloodborne vibes man I loved it

“We’re a pro Mohg channel now” I cheered

Ive been loving the lore im finding in the dlc

Cool vid bro.😺

When this was recorded i had not yet been to shaman village so ya know, my bad lol

I wish we got a bit more lore in the DLC, but I am amped to see what you got cooking once the spoiler-free time has passed.

"Get in the jar shaman shinji."

I think the knot symbol on the lid is representing the crucible as it is considered holy by ppl of realm of shadow

Maybe Radagon is Marika because of a jar. This would explain a lot.

The place creeped me out… yet it’s tragic, they’ve become morphed together blop of a being.

I always thought the jars were piled around minor trees because they were being collected to feed the tree. Erd tree burial and all.

Letsss gooooo dlc lore

So holup. Miquella seems way more complex to me than he’s just a bad guy. I think Miquella is the definition of “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. I don’t want to spoil things for anyone so I won’t get into it… but I can be very very sympathetic towards him. The story for this DLC is heartbreaking.

I tripped out cuz the bong was still ripping after finished. 🤙

I would prefer individual videos about each of the dlc characters. Damn its hard to choose a favorite, Thioller, Ansbach, and Igon were all great

I think it's more likely that the jars served the golden order and therefore became saints. Sanctified by the golden order

i wanna know who at fromsoft came up with this jar concept and how they convinced everyone else to go along with it. they are so creepy but also goofy at the same time.

Best lore vids

You know, I don't think I want to be the potentate for Jarburg anyway. Seems like some nasty work

Heck yeah awesome video I’m sad that it’s just a sound effect at the end instead of an actual rip. Nobody starts talking half a second after that fat of a rip without exhaling at all :(

#justiceformogh

Haven't played yet but been reading spoiler threads in discords. The saints sound like the mummified budhas I read about in Inuyasha.

I haven’t watched in a while but I’m happy to announce i still clapped like a chimp for the bong rip💖❤️‍🔥💖love ya madman

Good stuff, please keep more dlc content coming. Spoilers are over.

Can you make a video on Igon

I think the saint jars were stuffed and made out of the inhabitants of the marikas home the shaman village

I think you got the who is the jar wrong. they aren't hornsent. they are people from the shaman village, where Marika came from.

Quoting a Zone-sama porn animation: "I've always wondered how sausage was made!"

Multiple videos. I’ve already beaten Messmer and gotten almost no real lore of what the hell is going on. Except chasing crosses that Miquella left. Edit: Ainsbach did mention Mohg got done dirty! Possibly wasn’t a Mohglester

Why are the Jars a thing when there are no Minor Scadutrees to wster?

I wonder if the shadow realm jars are Marikas people

I'd prefer singular videos for each unless you want to make a three hour video with all of the interconnections.

I wonder if Ensha was Trina's first consort? Going back at his armor, knowing Trina is the female aspect of Miquella, the gems on the bones matched the Haligtree Prayer windows in coloring.

I didn't listen to fuck all but i heard the whole video so heres a like

What about the npc igon

HI MADMAN!

Can you talk about how wack that ending was.

Aldia upload when

Hey buddy

4:41 That's because these innards were crafted from Shamans; Marika's ilk. For one reason or another, the denizens of the Land of Shadow began to target the Shamans for their jar ritual. Probably because Marika's original sin. A form of disgraceful attack was done against the Shaman hometown, which (ultimately) led Marika to send Messmer on the Crusade to exterminate as many as possible for what would be the wanton slaughter of her people. I feel this initial attack was due to the Original Sin of Marika doing something to upheave what would have been an Age of the Sun (aka Horned Fell God of Fire as depicted by the Furnace Icon). Note, I can't believe I never caught this until now...but there is _no sun_ in the Lands Between. None. You can't even select "sun" in the in-game message system. You can select Moon, Stars, Night, Day, etc...but no "sun". Even the Sunflowers face the Tree. The Horned Fell God, God of the Sun, who's totem animal was that of a Lion (considering the final endgame zone and the Divine Beast Dancing Lion boss and all the other Lion iconography). I think the story of Apollo and Crytie is best fitting for this. Crytie fell for Apollo (a sun god) but Apollo had eyes for another. Crytie called upon her father to bury this other woman alive. Apollo, outraged, cursed Crytie to be a sunflower and forever gaze at the sun. I think a very, very similar story plays out with Marika and her oldest rival; the Gloam Eyed Queen. The Sun God wanted the Queen, not Marika, and so Marika betrayed the Queen and caused the Sun to retreat forever from the Lands Between. I feel that is the best thing I can assume the Original Sin would be.

i ll just say #justiceformogh if you know... you know :(

How do you misspronounce "potentate" when Jar Bairn says it for you? You even made a video using JB's footage.

Everyone thinks they're the good guy.

Individual

Respect the rip 😂

Hating the no spoiler children holding up all the lore uploads and indepth convos about the dlc while they can't wrap their heads around the new blessings because they can't be bothered to read a description

Thanks I hate it! :D

U got some lore wrong bro

Dude you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about lol keep posting and you’ll get that $ tho doesn’t have to be good content just has to be content

2:20 im guessing those potentates dont have "slick slidy" hands

Bro please make a video on Ymir and the fingerbeast I did the quest and have no clue wtf I fought lmao it’s a younger sister of the Elden beast or something