A true legend

R.I.P.

R.I.P

I know. He never raises his voice, yet his presence on screen terrifies me. Donald Sutherland did a good job portraying Snow.

​@@laurahuynh8333the casting in the hunger games is near perfection with all the characters, but Donald Sutherland as president Snow was beyond perfection, it's like the character was purposely written for him and him alone.

@@KajolKhan-qj5neand Tom Blyth did amazing as young Snow

Charles Dance would also work well

It reminds me it would be like meeting Kim Jong Un North Korea's dictator..

Sounds like something young Coryo would actually do 😂

Given that he has footage of “the kiss”, (and likely everything else happening, more or less) I would guess he knew exactly when she would arrive back at the house and wasn’t standing the entire time. But, MY GOD, is that a hilarious thing to picture him doing. And a sassy entrance for sure, no matter what it took to get it.

I do this, where’s my Panem

That’s nothing; how bout Plutarch Running Quickly to the helicopter saying “oh shit, oh shit, oh shit; don’t check the room don’t check the room.” I mean did he have an inpromptu helicopter next to Snow Big Screen TV?

And while itsn9t shown in the movie, haymitch and peeta quietly keeping appearances at katniss' home with peacekeepers looking at, while in theyre thinking "where is SHE?!"

i wonder why he really there after all that time.

@@cazyjohn2005prolly Lucy’s still on his mind. No matter the circumstance, first love NEVER dies

​@@abastillasd0137especially when the first love like made your life go full Rollercoaster like Snow went from poor boy to a killer to a hero to a winner to a soldier to a hermit with Lucy gray in forest to whole berserk anger to back to capital

@@GigiM_winx But you'll often notice that whenever he does something, he only does it if it benefits him. He loved her, but she was also a loose end for him. He even lied about who he killed when Lucy emphasized how TRUST is important to her more than anything else. He even snitched on his best friend. Everything he did was to gain power in the capital. He loved Lucy, but his desire for power was stronger than his love for her.

Id say it again yikes !😂🔜👍🩸🕛💥🎥📽️🎞️🎞️

She’s such a good sister

Especially knows about honour and acceptance of defeat, too.

Yes! A true leader who can create allies from his enemies and truces, etc. Not ruling from fear but using deals, and you put it so well, can be reasoned and negotiated with!

​@@kerrin6633😂😂😂oh the sarcasm

@@mahatmarfigo lol, Snow is a complex villian, but it's bc he uses both negotiation (rather than only using force) and because he thinks he is doing something for the greater good

I don't know about moral code, he just does whatever is in his best interest. The evil way is not always the more beneficial, leaders that everybody hates tend to not last long.

I understand snow is one of most amazing character of this trilogy

It was him that made Donald Sutherland one of my absolute favorite actors. The man has a presence as commanding as Charles Dance and Christopher Lee, that kind of regal elegance, aged wisdom and of course, unspoken lethality.

Can wait to watch the prequel. What happen or somethi who make him like that.

​@danurkresnamurti3598 reading the book you learn why Snow is the way that he is. It's mentioned more than once I think in all the books its about survival. He did what he had to do.

don't you mean 4D chess, 3D chess is just... chess.

What makes him terrifying is that he can go to the minds of ordinary people, put himself in their shoes and know how they feel He knows the value of hope The value of love The value of fear. He knows how defiant people Would fight to the death to have freedom He knows what motivates Katniss, what she fears, what she hopes, what she loves He knows the good and bad of people, and exploits it Most villians would be numb to such perspective, and simply cause pain for the heck of it, and wouldn’t understand why weak people defy them when it’s hopeless Snow knows, he knows in the right circumstances, weak people can triumph, the strong can be overthrown, and it motivates him to exploit it all to keep himself in power His one weakness is his hatred to Katniss. How it clouds and motivates him to fall in the machinations of Plutarch and Coin, and cause his own destruction by acting the tyrant they wanted him to be But before his fall, he uses his understanding of people to his advantage, to make them suffer, to exploit them, all to keep himself in power And that’s what’s terrifying, a villian who understands how ordinary people and heroes think and use it as weapons against them

The fact he never lies either not because of morals but because he simply doesn’t need too because he has total power adds to the character as well

As a boy he starved watched war tear apart the capital and his house the name snow was all he had burned family memory's and anything worth anything to survive to stay warm if a few children killing eachother from the districts in an arena can provent any capital child from going threw what he did so be it at least he is not wastefully

i think he went to district 12 beside just threat her.

@@cazyjohn2005 Yeah. He went to rekindle his memories as well. Also, he's probably a widower too now so now he can probably reminisce about Lucy Gray again without feeling guilty about it. Haha.

@@futuremovieactor i think he went there to look for any sign of Lucy Gray before he die.

@@cazyjohn2005 That too. Haha.

@@futuremovieactor i do think he know he is going die soon.

i think he told himself that Lucy Gray didn't loved him.

@@cazyjohn2005 Which is most likely a lie, she loved him, but lost trust when Snow lied about who the third person he had killed was.

@@murilofilipe5909 i think he told himself that lie after he left District 12 to remove the pain lose her.

@@cazyjohn2005 Consider he and Gaul deleted all but the master tapes of the Games and then after Katniss defies him and reminds him of Lucy Gray he goes completely over the top and firebombs all of District 12. Man is in PAIN and I bet Gaul encouraged it. He wants to delete everything of her but she's in his head forever.

Because to him because he is Capitol and is a Snow, it's worse that the girl he fell in love with may have lied to him than it was that he was genuinely considering killing the girl he fell in love with. It's not that he's incapable of love, then or now. It's that he will always put himself and the Capitol ahead of those he loves because he considers himself to be all that is keeping order in Panem. That's part of the possessive, controlling way that he loves. They're HIS to keep, to love, and to kill if he sees fit.

The only thing Snow cares about is stability, Katniss speaking her mind to him alone doesn’t threaten that. He can’t allow her to publicly insult him or the system he tries to uphold, because that could lead to rebellion, but when he’s alone with her he’s fine with her disrespect because it won’t actually impact anything. It’s also why he’s willing to admit the capitals shortcomings in their private conversations, he doesn’t care what she thinks or knows, he just cares about the impact she has on the public.

I felt like he was deflecting what Katniss implied. Snow insists that *his* system is quite stable, and in fact it is the districts whose fragility would be demonstrated to uphold that stability. Snow believes he has two viable pathways to maintain stability: through the optics of re-framing Katniss' actions as "love" or by demonstrating the price of defiance through wide-scale bloodshed. He would prefer the former as mass killings are costly and impact economic productivity. Either way he feels secure with his system of control, or if nothing else wants Katniss to buy this narrative. The last thing he wants to do is project insecurity or weakness to a perceived instigator.

She was young and inexperienced and can fall to threats and blackmail but if she was a adult she would stand her ground and be more careful around snow and knowing he would do anything in his power to have tight grip on her

As V in V for Vendetta said: "fairness, justice and freedom are more then empty words. They are perspectives"

my first thought would be to say "You're in my seat" to Snow xD

That’s what makes him dangerous He knows how Katniss and others feel, and uses them as weapons agsinst them. It’s not that he has no empathy, he uses it as a cruel weapon against others for his own benefit

@@christophersanchez7731 I would add to that by saying that Snow doesn't seem to always view others as inferiors to himself. He's pragmatic enough to recognize both talent and skill in others and I daresay that he even admires those who he knows are threats to his power. I actually think he enjoys toying with the idea of having an equal, someone who he can truly "play" with in a political arena and is emotionally and mentally capable of appreciating that contest. Power is a Game that never ends, not even in death.

​@@samuelvine According to Donald Sutherland, Snow does has a degree of respect for Katniss due to her defiance to his regime in the 74th Hunger Games and sharing the cynicism he has of the system he runs.

Snow is the alpha incel

​@@Catzchiqehuh!? Those words don't go together.

@@Catzchiqe He's no incel, he has a granddaughter so obviously he's married.

@@nobblkpraetorian5623 actually he only got married to his wife because he disliked her so he could never be manipulated by her, like he was by lucy gray. So homeboy did get rejected and definetly didn't want his wife like THAT iykwim

That's an over simplification of his character. He had no intention of staying with Lucy after he realised he could just go back to the capitol and have the life he wanted. His ambition was worth more to him than Lucy gray. He's not bitter that she rejected him lmfao because he was the one who rejected her first. She was always a ticket to success for him, nothing more. He's bitter because he feels he fooled himself into believing he was in love. When in reality he was pretty indifferent to Lucy. He believes katniss is the same as him, in the sense that she's indifferent to peeta and is just using him to survive.

And of course, Lucy Gray Baird.

I am sure suzanne collins thought about writing a prequel even before the original hunger games back in 2008

I gotta admit after just seeing the new hunger games movie it has me curious about the ending did Lucy manipulate snow or did she just find out what he did to his friend and leave him?

@@joeosborn2771she told snow that she cannot tolerate liars, and then when he said 3 people she knew he wasn’t telling her something

@@joeosborn2771 Snow accidentally let it slip that he killed three people because he was agreeing with Lucy Gray when she said she didn’t want to have to kill anyone else after the Hunger Games. She only knew that he killed two people because he told her but he didn’t tell her about the third. So once she realized who the third person it was he killed, she knew that he would kill her because she’s the only other person besides Spruce who knew that he killed Mayfair. So she made a plan to leave Snow, which is why she set the trap with the snake to give her enough time to flee.

No he was trash from the start. Ambitious, possessive and narcisistic. But mentally brilliant.

@@ariaforegin6396 But he was yet to become the cold and psychopathic man we see in The Hunger Games. Lucy was his last link to his humanity.

@@kevinmclaughlin2594 both are true. Like everyone, Snow is a product of his circumstances, but he himself made the choice to take to the influences of the wrong people. Yes, he's a very well crafted and multi-layered villain, and he's acting in a way that's consistent with his own view of the world, which makes him a very good character. But he still made the choice to become what he is today willingly and knowingly.

In the book, The Ballad, and reading his monologues, I wouldnt say he was a good man.

I realised Snow didnt just shout "dont lie!" To katniss not just to intimidate her, he was doing that anyways. But to see a district 12 girl victor discard her lover cause the games were over and she didnt need him and to lie to him about truely loving him and breaking his trust, everything reminded him of Lucy Gray immediately.

These days?😂 This was released a decade ago

@@seren4740 that’s the point

@@seren4740a lot has changed in cinema over the last few years

the new hunger games movie that came out was horse crap compared to this@@seren4740

Well, Snow did kill Haymiych's family for a lesser action

@@robertomingo9822There was no hiding in his case - his axe bouncing off the forcefield was obviously deliberate and undermined the Capitol”s authority.

​@robertomingo9822 I think to some extent, he admires katniss. And killing her would serve less value instead he wants her to keep performing for the cameras, convince the districts she did not act out of defiance, be forced to mentor countless more tributes in the coming years. This would prolong her suffering.

"The depths of your indifference", "DONT LIE"

@@spazzyshortgirl23 I don't get how the context of those two lines specifically change. Are you saying that it sounds like he's saying those things to himself?

@@thevarietychannelofyoutube4769 he became convinced that Lucy Gray was using him to get ahead (et it Brute? but he’s a hypocrite), that it wasn’t love at all: so he sees any kind of “fake love” of a woman and it pisses him off. Same thing with liars. (We also know he’s a terrible liar: “my old self” is so dumb. He only lies by omission). He HATES “self righteous people who upset the status quo”: aka what he believed of Sejanus.

I can’t believe people got here this quick. Man was mad loved. RIP

It's the things we love most that destroys us. President snow hunger games 3 Donald Sutherland was such a amazing actor as president snow He will be missed and rest in peace 😔

“And like a child, you took pleasure in breaking it.”. Snow is so evil, but he doesn’t speak just to hear his own voice.

@@lucasraines Why do people think he is evil is beyond me.

@@boobo ????????????? maybe cuz 23 people from the age of 12 to 18 die each year, 12 districts are in constant terror and he literally bombed district 13 and in the 2nd movie district 12 too????? Also in the 3rd movie a whole building full of injured people. how tf do you think he's not evil??

@@ohimark All of that is just based and redpilled ny guy

Two girls decades apart, but from the same district. What are the odds that they both destroyed Snow in a sense?

nah... lucy gray was a mistake. adding her into the story brought a romantic tendency to the dynamic between snow and katniss. their dynamic is much better without lucy factoring into anything. suzanne fucked up by writing that book because it cheapened the entire story

@@andou1871 I wouldn't say mistake. It definitely complicated things though.

​@@andou1871it didn't feed into anything romantic. in fact, it fed into his paranoia and his tight trust in people i.e he doesn't trust anyone but himself. katniss reflects Sejanus more than lucy (passed on songs aside), PEETA reflects lucy in charisma and show play. snow is a narcissist, the line in the book "goodbye lucy gray, we hardly knew you" reflects that in his paranoia and bubble of trust, he was so sure she would have zero effect on the future. but she did, the girl who placed trust above love inadvertently affected katniss and many others. that heightens his paranoia towards katniss because he sees songs as defiance and these are songs lucy wrote that katniss sings (and she doesn't even know that). its lucy's memory he thought he had burned away trickling back in unknowingly (mockingjays, songs).

@@rebelxoswald I don't understand, why do you refer to Lucy as "the girl who put trust above love"?

I remember I jumped in the theatre, the quietness of the scene adds to it

No god but Allah Islam way for peace and real monotheist Search about the truth with honest heart And first ask Allah to help you to find the wa.

Except when he said to Lucy Gray that his third victim was his old self of course. I guess that is when his aversion to lying started

And his son, Kiefer.

a relevant line throughout history. Every system a man has made can be broken by a single drop of water. If the people realize that they are the many and the goverment are the few, nothing can stop them to change things. It just takes one person willing to sacrifice everything to bring down a system, which in retrospect is absolutely nothing, but no one is willing to do so and that is the fragile ground on which countries, dictatorships etc. are made on.

@@tomsrudzitis4942 This could spark an interesting conversation.

Defiance throughout history has either been a desperate move against oppressions, or to simply act as a "divine" excuse for rebel types to dismantle systems that they rely upon. Hollywood often has such a childish notion of totalitarianism that it jerks off the image of "revolution" and rebels to a ridiculous degree. Often rebels are just desperate losers who are simply unsatisfied with the system they live or where they wound up in it.

@@tomsrudzitis4942 Quite so. Even then, the strongest systems can change radically or collapse for the unlikeliest of reasons. History is full of examples of people dying completely unexpectedly or natural disasters wreaking havoc with civilisations. Had any of these events not happened or been milder, the world in many respects would be very different.

him & haymitch are up there

Prolly cus he didn't fuck his way into the role lmao

It wasn’t that good, it was great. Catching fire was the best of these movies hence why it was so successful.

I think Catching Fire was actually one of the best Hunger Games films! The first two were brilliant. The last two should not have been split because they lagged immensely, which was really unfortunate. I’m hoping Songbirds & Snakes is just as good as the first two- it definitely looks it from the trailer.

Even if the execution felt a little lacking sometimes most of the casting was excellent.

Yep, even at the end, he knew he lost the game and was honest with Katniss, especially letting her know that a potential worst monster than himself would take his place if nothing was done about it.

Power ? He is just explaining to her what game she is playing. It comes to conclusion when he tells her "These things happen in war" about her sister, reminding her that it was her foolishness that caused her sister to die. Masses are bloodthirsty idiots, and he has been leading them with minimal bloodshed for decades. And they did what ? Killed thousands to replace him with less capable idiot who will cause more war ? People are idiots.

You must have a weak imagination then

bro he does not come off as weak in the book I could feel katniss’s fear

If I remember right it’s owned by the Capitol. Once the victors die of old age or wtv the family can no longer live in the house.

@@andrewc5476 Just like the government today. Don't pay your taxes and you lose it, even if the house has no mortgage. The government and banks own all our properties.

@@andrewc5476 Anybody know anything about the real house (assuming it was)? I'm low-key obsessed with those stained glass windows 🙂

It’s technically not hers, it’s owned by the capitol.

Indeed Katniss was owned by the capitol. Until she reversed everything. Alas the champion houses were all part of the game.

I can even feel the crumbs causing irritation as they rub against my mouth sores!

i agree with you, i think both were in love with each other.

@@cazyjohn2005 The two loved each other, but Snow ambition was greater than that love and Lucy realized this in the cabin.

"Please no spoilers" Huh??? Your comment is 100% spoilers. How about you give the respect you request also to other people?

@@Viewable11 Sadly those are nowhere close to the major spoilers of the book. Those are just small yet fun details to know of when he was a boy to young man. And if my word is not enough, the movie will certainly show otherwise. And if the movie is not enough to prove it, read the book to know further on the truly massive spoilers of his story and how he becomes the President Snow we know in Hunger Games.

People say he's just projecting into Katniss and Peeta, but I think he only starts projecting by the third movie/book. Until then, he's simply using a familiar experience to try and navigate through the recent crisis.

Just no doing monologues of logical, unemotional threats lol 😝 But, yes, very powerful voice

And how much she reminds him of his ex-girlfriend.

I think it's more that he's using a familiar experience to try and navigate through the recent ordeal, not exactly because of projection (until the third movie, that is).

heartwarming really - an intergenerational friendship between young and old

He should have killed her.

I took it as "I want you alive, because you can be useful to me alive if you play along, but dead, you'd be a martyr." If she would just play the political game firmly on the Capitol's side, her defiance and still surviving would showcase "generosity" from the Capitol, while also not playing into the idea of rebellion. But if he had to kill her, she'd be a martyr because she won. She was promised a life after the games and taking that away would just completely prove that nobody is safe and that the Capitol is to never be trusted. Before, they were oppressive, but you could take them at their word. 1 boy and girl from each district will be sent to the games, only 1 walks out alive. Their district got great rewards and the victor was immune to being reaped again. They would provide what was promised. They weren't liars, they were upfront with their tyranny. When Katniss showed she was still a thorn in his side by interfering with Gale's whipping and sparking the show of solidarity with district 11, thats where I believe he chose to try to be rid of her. But still trying to tiptoe around the idea of directly killing her, he takes advantage of the Quarter Quell to guarantee she'd be put into the games again, with (my best guess) the hope that the districts would see it more as unfortunate circumstance rather than an orchestrated assassination.

Well, since Kat remind him of Lucy and she is the last thing he saw, your wish is probably real

Its so juicy. Its like he's convinced himself she never loved him. She used him. It was fake. She wanted Billy Taupe like Katniss wants Gale. But when Katniss (his projection of Lucy Gray) convinces him she really loves Peeta he believes Lucy loved him again. Snow worked overtime to get Peeta into the same headspace he was when he shot Lucy Gray and set him on Katniss.

As monstrous as he became I do hope he had some clarity about Lucy Gray before the end. Remembering he could have spent his life with her in the meadow but his bad choices led him to this fate. He wasn't the victor. There is a new game and a new victor every year. Its a merry go round. You only win when you step off. Lucy gave him that choice and he didn't understand it@@thomasravenne5955

@@04nbod Especially if you consider that a case could be made that Snow never truly loved Lucy, but used her. He projects onto Lucy and then Katniss too. But that's just a theory.

I think he sees himself in Peeta. The nice young boy led on by the devious girl@@arkhambricksskylar3808

I saw an interview with Sutherland in which he said that in his mind, President Snow has been searching for years for someone to set up as his successor, but every prospective protégé(e) in the Capitol has failed to measure up, and Snow is beginning to despair of finding someone - until his attention falls on Katniss... I'd agree that at this point in the story, he's genuinely hoping that he can manipulate her into being a tool he can use, rather than simply a threat to destroy.