I think the Rhino is too thin up top and wimpy in the bass and drums department. I am surprised Mike did not address this.

@@LetThereBeSound1interesting, the bass and highs on rhino hifi is better than the green Warner. I don’t have a vertigo. Also it’s dead quiet. I was blown away by the quality of this release.

@@Thunderbird139 Glad you're happy.

Vertigo is way overhyped, the drums suck, it’s not as eerie. The green label is the bomb.

The 2016 reissue that he talked about first uses the same plates as that 2012

That’s the one he said was last. I had heard one of those Sean Magee cuts and I wasn’t impressed either.

Agree

In your opinion

@@charlesgund4812 Yes, opinions are like assholes everyone has one.

Wow....good one Jamko...never heard that one before 🤦🤔😂

@@Jamko1970 ooooh very clever! 😮

Amazing compared to what? The Vertigo sounds great in a vacuum, but once you start comparing them, things change.

@@TheInGroove I had 1st press green, mid 80s represses, 2014 Rhinos, WWA press that used Vertigo plates...my UK kills them all. I am waiting for the RHINO HIFI from Fedex. Their shipping blows. Your video has me excited to compare

@@vinylfinder33the 2014 Rhinos I don’t think are that great?. They’re digital in house cuts I think aren’t they?

​@@TheInGrooveNot for me. The Rhino doesn't stand a chance against the UK 1st and the US 1st.

@@TheInGroove Strange comment Mike- you admittedly considered the Vertigo the 'best' compared to everything you had up to this Rhino HiFi release. No vacuum required lol.

They are very slow at their shipping. I just received notice my order has shipped. I did not order this one.

I ordered on 5/18 and haven't received it. ;(

Dude. I had the same problem back when I ordered. Funny story: they’re so bad at shipping, I got frustrated and eventually canceled. Guess what I got in the mail last week? At random? They refunded me, and it still shipped.

Hey Rocco, indeed it’s a very poor handling. I only have a copy after some pressure. Pretty bad that they are announcing titles next month and haven’t shipped the May ones…. Be patient. Felipe

I got the same email

Blue Note CD’s are really good.

You know... You keep bringing up testicles... You're beginning to worry me...

That's what I have too, a Greenie Pitman artisan pressing. It sounds _killer!_ 🤘

Mine's a Pitman, probably common in the NE area where I live. Mine was a promo bought for 50 cents in a head shop. Jacket is split and taped together and it has plenty a crackle from being played on junk in it's youth, but who cares? When I crank it it still sounds glorious!

Tell that to proponents of the One-Step process.

@@DonTFiftyEightI’ve always thought that Mofi’s one step process was BS but Bernie Grundman said he has had tests made using three step and one step processes and the one step was better

The steps from lacquer to metal to vinyl are absolutely generations. People pay a premium for better quality metalwork and pressing plants to help minimize generational loss.

Unless we are discussing "one steps", every record goes thru the same number of steps. Some plants do it better than other plants, but the count is the same for every record made.

Yeah sold out. Selling for $150 by flippers now.

YES. That's what he means. He's selling The Cars Rhino HiFi LP for $249.99 USD. This Black Sabbath sold out in less than six days. I was able to get The Cars from Warner Brothers Canada (without corner dings), but I have yet to have any Black Sabbath in my record collection and would have loved to have this. I don't know what Rhino was thinking about with such a limited pressing. I email them and get no reply.

Some Palm Trees use the original metal, but most are a lesser-sounding recut.

@@TheInGroove You should have mentioned that in the video :) I also commented on that above

Then you must have a heavy build up of ear wax for those extreme highs to start melting the wax into butter!

Oz that’s not very nice. Haha

@@Jim-zf2lj Thanks! Fanboy c*** is out of control I tell you. Sheep everywhere.

Correct.

I now have to check for this. Also the first pressing incorrectly credits Sabbath with writing Warning.

I wouldn't expect much (if any) difference between the two.

Not for this album. Only the shield.

@@OwlsRNotWhatTheySeem I own one of the boxed logos. Never noticed it before pulling it and checking the deadwax information. It’s a U.S. pressing

@@Onteo1 W7 logo for this record? That's not normal. Might be some weird club issue thing, like the 2 tone label for Neil Youngs after the gold rush

the Rhino HiFi has a ton of midrange and bottom, especially on side two. But my take was slightly different than Mikes. I gave the OG Greenie a number one, but not a lot above the new Rhino. But it is all system-dependent. and you really need to blast the HiFi edition. When you do it is fantastic

@@mazzysmusic Hi, speaking of the US Warner Artisan pressing, which one should i take between Pitman and Terre Haute ? Thanks for advice, and cheers from switzerland, luca

Ron McMaster said the ones he did were full analog if I remember correctly

It’s apples and oranges. I liked Sabbath way before most of these newish in groove audiophiles bought RHF’s and I always thought Vertigo’s and US greenies kicked ass and it never occurred to me to even care which was better because I loved them all. All this is just OPINION anyways. I like how some of these people in the comments suddenly can definitively say they wouldn’t want a UK Vertigo just cuz Mike says so. Use your own ears folks.

It's a great pressing. Worth every penny.

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Those optimal pressings are dead silent

@@mazzysmusic Excuse me? My hearing is not what it used to be but I can hear the roaring ocean in quiet passages and the areas that are supposed to be silent. You know, like when you hold a seashell up to your ear? I can identify an Optimal pressing from the ptch of the surface noise listening through my Sony MDR headphones. Of the 9 or 10 different cartridges I use, it's the cheaper ones which tend to mask the noise. My "go-to" cartridge is the Shure M97xe, with a genuine Shure stylus, like the one most of the people who make the audiophile records we but use. It's good to hear that there is someone deafer than I am!

@@automatedelectronics6062 I believe you, but I haven’t heard your copies All these rhino HiFi copies I have (six) are dead silent. . Maybe my rig? Either way they are exceptional. Rega P8 Hana Umami blue MC cart. What can I say. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@mazzysmusic I don't think that there would be too much difference in sound with different copies of the same pressing. Outside of physical defects. I exchange lot's of new records I buy because of defects resulting in ticks and pops. Those pressed by Optimal are a common exchange. I don't remember having to exchange anything pressed by Pallas. They use a higher quality of vinyl like we have in the U.S. Even 60 years ago I was very particular with my records and exchanged many before I got a copy which was suitable to me. The record stores hated me. Even in the early CD age, there were lot's of re-cordings out there which I considered an insult to me and to the original recordings. As far as the surface noise I complain about, it is easily seen when I record it and then look at a graph when I am putting the finishing touches on before saving it. Some things can be fixed. Even if you can't hear something, you can see that it is actually there on the graph. As far as playback equipment goes, I try to stick with "average joe" or a little above equipment. All well-known respected brands. This is usually what the people who make the records we buy use and is the way they intend it to sound. Why spend money on something which gives you marginally better performance? I take that extra money I might have spent on equipment and buy more records instead. One thing I start with is the same turntables and cartridges they use. When Technics re-introduced the SL-1200, they did make considerable improvements, but they didn't touch the tone arm design. When I see all these new, supposedly state of the art, turntables, when I see a straight tone arm, it is an immediate turn-off for me. I mean, look at the cheapest entry-level turntables out there now, and what do they have? Straight shaft tone arms, like the latest schoolhouse record players used. Suspension aside, why ignore the basic tone arm design. Heck, my 1947 Capehart console, with the flip-over record changer, has a tubular "J" style metal tone arm, with a removeable headshell and modern GE magnetic cartridge. That was 1947. It's 2024 now.