Thank you Mr. Steve! 🥰❤

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same here. Except that I was talking to myself, so I had to google translate that unfamiliar word suddenly popped up in the mind. Extremely fun experience!

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This kind of experience I had and have very often. It's very rare, that I'm wrong with meaning of such expressions. in 95% the cases I got the meaning right.

gratz on learning a travesty of a language

You mean you're learning Russian?

Like you, it took me a year of learning my second language before I realised that I should be focusing more on acquiring the language naturally through listening & reading. Learning words in context is king.

I'm a Norwegian currently studying Farsi(Persian) and I must say that I'm struggling. A lot. I'm extremely bad at memorizing words or phrases or vocabulary. It's just not an effective way for me to learn. Lately though, I've started listening to songs and are trying to just read/memorize the songs. I don't care at all what they mean or about translating them. I'just listening and trying to sing along. This just came to me as a way I wanted to explore my learning. I love music and listen to music every day, so why not listen in my target language? My thinking is that this will teach me structure, rythm and give me a HUGE passive vocabulary. For anyone who has studied Farsi, they know that they don't write their vovels, so it's really hard to read, if you don't already know the words and have heard (or looked up) the correct spelling/pronounciation. What started happening after this, is that I'm listening to a song and then suddenly a phrase or word comes up and my brain goes "oh, oh, oh", I know this(or a similar phrase/version of the word), then I ask my gf and after that I remember it and try to use it in day to day talk. I mostly just try to substitute whatever I want to say, with words or phrases in Farsi, just to get practice in expressing myself and rather thinking i Farsi. I'm learning Farsi through a second language, English, but I am using a private tutor for studying. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but listening to music and trying to sing along with the songs, is way more pleasurable, than reading some stupid text/conversation about some moronic topic, over and over - but I think in the end, it has the same effect. You practice pronounciation, listening skills and it feeds the brain with the structure of the language. Even though artists may take liberties with pronounciation to fit the rythm and rhymes, but that's all part of language. I feel this gives me a true feel for the language in the end, even though the process for me is very painful and slow. This far I've taught myself three songs, that I can just sing from memory and whenever words from these songs come up in texts I read, I do know how to pronounce them, which is a pretty exciting feeling.

What about speaking to early is their a way to fix that or somewhere I can read about that

I need improve skill reading my level beginner i want Jump B1

That still sounds to me a little bit like trying to force it. Like you're attempting to nail a small thing down by targeting it in the hope that it'll be 'activated.' I don't believe that's all that helpful. I believe output comes when it comes, naturally. So long as you're getting enough input. That's the key, most people just don't get anywhere close to enough. If you do, and you regularly attemp output, it'll _all_ come eventually, it's kinda unavoidable. So there's no need to deliberately target certain words, IMO.

It's like a videogame...you have to develop your attributes and skills separately yo be a complete fighter in the arena

@@futurez12 What i mean is that once you can make some output (of course once you have a very good comprehension), if you have words that you can recognize but you don't really remember and that during the conversation might appear, so once you can answer to what is told to you use in that answer those words you just redetected. That is useful for kinda activate them. Yeah you are likely to forget again, but they will gradually come natural as you say.

@@mcmerry2846 What do you mean bro?

That's interesting, Jacob. I can read Dutch and find that I can also read a good deal of Afrikaans, which is a very close language, but can hardly speak it - a drawback, since I presently live in South Africa. If you wanted to speak in Norwegian/Danish, or in my case Afrikaans, what would you you would advise to help to bridge the gap? Best wishes.

@@haroldwood1394 listening while reading , and listening only.

@@Izaltinodsouza Thanks for the suggestion!

Hi

That just means being articulate, not fluent. Even I don't know how to say everything I want to say in my native language.

Children can express everything but can't talk about difficult topics. Fluency needs lots of vocabulary.

@@furiifouru Come now. Articulateness is a level beyond fluency. People are fluent in their native tongue, but few are articulate. Just listen to any interview with an American athlete.

@@coconutpineapple2489 A five-year-old is fluent in his native tongue because, with his limited vocabulary, he can say what he needs to say. A poorly-educated adult with a small vocabulary is still fluent. Not everybody can, or wants to, talk about "difficult topics." I recall once being in a laundromat (I love laundromats), listening to two women talk. All of their words consisted of one or two syllables. Yet they were fluent, saying everything they needed to say.

It happens to me all the time. I'll do a video on it. Thanks.

Wow, thank you so so much!!

Reminds me of that joke about the guy who keeps on hearing people say "Knowledge is power. France is bacon." and for years he just rolls with it. He has no idea why France and why bacon, but he just accepts it as a weird cultural tidbit. Until one day he finally asks someone about it and understands that they're saying "Knowledge is power" - Francis Bacon. ^^ Personally that's why I don't delay output. To me the idea that you should first gather input and only after try output is based on a false premise, namely that bad habits only form through output and not through input. Seems pretty clear to me that you can spend years hearing something "wrong" and never realize it. I don't always notice whether I'm hearing something "wrong" or not, but I figure that if I am, that mistake will be reflected in my output and a conversation partner will be able to pick up on it and help me notice it. But that's just me!

I don't think she works with beginners. I suspect that most of her students are already around B2 but do not feel comfortable to speak. If they had difficulties understanding the speech, they would not come to her for help. So the main problem that her students have is insecurity about their pronunciation or fear of making a mistake, etc. I have watched a few interviews with her students, and some of them were teachers of English as a foreign language in their home countries. So not only they studied English for 8-10 years in school, presumably their level was already B2 when they were admitted to the university.

@@atf300t Maybe what you mean is right, her students have gotten a B2 level on their comprehension of the language, and that´s the reason why she only takes the ¨speaking¨ part of the language. But i´m gonna tell you something, when i get a solid B2 level, i´m gonna continue reading too much, because i want to get and advanced level in the language and for that, i know i have to acquire more tons of words to get the C levels, input always have to be the main part of learning a language

atf300t In my opinion, You should learn pronunciation first. But she suggests that you listen to audio books, pause and repeat (imitate). But if you don't like pronunciation mistakes, you should master each phoneme. otherwise you have to repeat tons of words forever. And learning phoneme is very basic thing. I don't mean you should master phoneme. I say this to people who cares their pronunciation. What I want to say is that advice is a beginners thing. And her students say "I can't be confident when I have conversation" They explain in "English" She says you can't speak confidently because you just keep reading. But her students are having conversation. In my opinion, you can't be confident because they just try to speak without input such as reading. I assume only few her students like reading. I have English mistakes but I don't care, because I read a lot. Reading gives you confidence. You can decide when to start having conversation. She says like you should start now. But if you don't feel like it, you don't need to do it. I think trying to speak now is faster to improve, but why are you rushed? You can start when you feel like it.

@@javierfernandoagudelogomez1794 Sure, reading is important at any level, but you can't achieve native-like fluency if all what you do is reading and listening. At some point, you have to speak (and probably speak a lot) to activate your passive knowledge.

@@coconutpineapple2489 If you want to speak fluently, getting the intonation right is usually far more important than focusing on individual sounds. That is why listening and repeating can be very helpful. Of course, it makes sense to spend some time on new sounds, which do not exist in your native language. However, learning about sounds is not exactly the same as acquiring their proper pronunciation. Anyway, her students are clearly not beginners. They can understand native speakers well enough, they can have some conversation in English, but they do not feel confident doing so. It could be different reasons for that. Some of them are perfectionists, who tend to set very high goals for themselves, like having native-like fluency in English.

I don't think it harms us. The quality of our sub-vocalizing improves as we hear more of the language and start speaking.

@@Thelinguist Definitely harmed my pronounciation of the word "simile" when I learnt it only through reading ;)

I wrote this because I thought I had commented about the fact that I enjoy reading articles in Spanish that I find on the Spanish section of Quora. I have spent many enjoyable hours reading them and Quora only sends me alerts about items that are in the sections I have chosen to find out about, ie history, art, geography, public figures, etc.

Quora does this annoying thing where they send me emails for random stuff. and unlike most people i subscribed to a lot of languages so my email got flooded with their junk. and then to add insult to injury they banned my account because i did not use my real name. because i don't want people chasing my internet activities. but even after they banned me they kept emailing me. i really HATE Quora and they also force people to log in just to read stuff what a nightmare. i hope they go out of business and get shut down.

@@jannlavalley686 Thanks, Jann. I didn't realise that Quora did this. I'll see if I can find some interesting articles for myself in Dutch now, Thanks again.

@@belstar1128 I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with Quora. So far, I have had none over the several years I have been signed up.

Whatever you feel like doing. It will not doubt vary. Sometimes aloud. Mostly silently while still sub-vocalizing.

I mostly read silently. Reading aloud slows me down, although I do subvocalize.

Hello, Agatha. You may find that making little sentences just for yourself when you are under no pressure, e.g. when you are taking a walk, can help. I sometimes pretend that I am describing to someone the things that I see or have done during the day is useful. Good luck!

Keep speaking and don't be too hard on yourself. You will gradually, very gradually, get better. There will even be occasions when you feel you did really well.

Just keep going. Learn the Kanji. Find a method that works for you and keep reading. Try LingQ.

Japanese and Chinese take time to get reading skill ,so it's good to learn reading and listening at the same time.

I need improve skill reading my level beginner i want Jump B1

For example, you could read contents that you know very well in the languages you speak. Especially if those contents have pictures and/or sounds, or even some "fun" (like videogames), so that you could enjoy the reading without feeling frustrated nor stucked by not understanding it (because you already know the content very well). By doing that, you can focus first on just reading the kanas with more and more ease, and recognize some kanji and words, without trying to really the sentences. Then, you will gradually manage to understand more and more kanji, then parts of sentences, then entire isolated sentences, then entire paragraph, and finally the whole writing content (not necessarily all details, just understanding the whole "picture"). If those contents have audio, it could be better to read it easily. 頑張ってください (がんばってください)。🙂

If we get Hindi or Punjabi on LingQ. We have Gujarati but I am waiting.

@@Thelinguist 🤞 hopefully you guys get it soon. I was interested in following you on that journey.

Actually it is "kite" 😀

Sure, reading is not the same as speaking. You are right on your points. However, how can you come up with words when you don't have passive vocabulary? If I don't watch football, then I can't talk with people about it even in my mother tongue. It takes both input and output to become fluent because like you said, when you speak, your brain will work harder and squeeze everything you know to make a conversation. And this is another skill that we need to practice too.

@@NinPossible I did not say that reading is not necessary. In general, I said. Your 3,000 words of the language you are learning are useless if you don't practice them. 300 practiced words, better than 3000 poorly practiced.

@@NinPossible there is only one normal way to learn a language. You read, repeat, discuss what you read.

you read what you like or what you need for work, but it's better what you like

@@Just__Ilya okay. I got it. 😊