Undiscovered Paradise is really good in landfall decks for two reasons. First, you can get extra triggers of landfall without worrying about making sure you get a new land in your hand each turn. Second some of those decks run cards that allow to play extra lands each turn and so you could also still get other lands out. At least it comes into play untapped.

Bit obvious since you mentioned it in the video, but Top 10 Lands That Don’t Give Mana would be interesting. As a casual Magic player that essentially played Duels off the Planeswalkers and that’s it, advanced Magic fascinated me.

I have City of Shadows in my thief themed commander deck because it is one of the few exile outlets in the game. That's what makes City of Shadows so special and powerful in the right situation. Steal an opponent's creature, and then exile it for value, and it won't go into their graveyard where it could possibly come back if they have a graveyard strategy.

Undiscovered Paradise doesn't belong on this list, it saw play in Vintage Dredge for a while because it could both cast Nature's Claim and trigger Bloodghast each turn. Doesn't see play anymore but it did for quite a while.

Small note on two of the cards here. Forsaken City sees play in stasis combo. The fact that you draw a card each turn and it can untap through stasis means you can always pay stasis' upkeep cost is significant, thought it's by no means a top tier deck. Undiscovered paradise is more useful though it only really sees play in low-cost decks featuring bloodghast. The reason why it's better than ravnica bouncelands in these scenarios is that you still get 1 mana each turn you play it, where you get none from the tapped bouncelands

Sorrow's Path is interesting because while it's overall an objectively terrible card, it does have a home in Gishath, Sun's Avatar EDH decks. The blocker swapping is relevant as you want Gishath to be blocked by as small a creature as possible and the 2 damage to you creatures is actually an upside since it triggers the enrage keyword. Also, weirdly enough, the dinosaur tokens created by some of dinosaurs are 3/3s so actually survive a Sorrow's Path activation.

The "bands with other" ability used to be even worse than normal banding. Creatures with "bands with other" could only band with other creatures that had the same "bands with other" category. For example, if I had unholy citadel and three legendary creatures in play (two black and one non-black), only my two black legends could band together, while the other legend could not join because it didn't have the "bands with other legends" ability.

forshaken city and underdiscovered paradise have alot of top 8's across multiple formats, and even sometimes see play today. They're very niche lands with often very bad effects and 99% of decks would not play them. However they are by no means the top 10 worse lands in the game and have historically been nichely playable and have top cut's assoicated with them.

undiscovered paradise was a mainstay in vintage dredge for quite a while to proc bloodghasts and be able to cast any hate card you needed to play. also, in that same vein, bazaar of bagdaad is the best land that doesn't produce mana, and it is not close.

Given that most of us know DuelSpider isn't a MtG main, I'd recommend the writer for these dial back on the "I" statements. It doesn't need to be authoritative, but can be easily somewhere in between that and a personal take.

Undiscovered Paradise is a very good land. As long as retesting to your hand is upside its very good. Legacy and Vintage dredge decks use it to too 8 competing decks to this day for both perfect mana and to trigger landfall for bloodhast every turn. Any card used for competitive success can’t be considered bad.

Undiscovered paradise Is a good card. By itself it's decent and it has lots of sinergies in legacy and vintage. It is also one of premodern's best lands.

"Banding is complicated and weak" Complicated, yes Weak, heck no Controlling all combat damage assignments is pretty strong, more than what you give credit here For example, you can pile up a bunch of 1/1s to block a 5/5, and since you assign combat damage, you can make a single 1/1 of your choice soak up the entire 5 damage This way you only lose a single 1/1 while they lose their 5/5

Banding does something a lot better it first appears. When you block or get blocked the banding player chooses where the damage goes not other player and you can spread it out however you want(do damage spread in a way no creatures die or put all the damage onto one creature negating trample damage). Banding is great on damage redirection creatures(like Stuffy Doll) or creatures with attack triggers you want to protect. Nobody would block a Stuffy Doll but a pack of creatures with a Stuffy Doll in there can be a threat. The only reason why Banding is considered bad is because it confuses people.

Undiscovered Paradise saw competitive play as did forsaken city. Banding was dropped because it was complicated not because it was weak. It was one of the strongest sealed/draft abilities of the day.

I find it funny that few people have ever found the broken way to use Rainbow Vale. Vedalken Plotter plus Rainbow Vale and the thievery of your opponent’s lands begins. It works. I haven’t found any better way to use the Vale. It is a great combo that essentially makes your lands my lands. With a God draw you can begin the shenanigans on turn 2.

Still love bringing out Oasis in my Horobi deck. It is great to see the look on people's faces.

In regards to Teferi's Isle, I'd like to add that the "concept" was you would have ~3 in your deck so that you consistently had 2 "in play," causing you to essentially always have a Teferi's Isle available by alternating their phases. Still terrible in practice, but I've always found the Phasing mechanic wildly entertaining and am glad that there was SOME thought process behind this otherwise terribly slow land

Seen Sorrow's Path used effectively in a deck full of enrage dinos and Stuffy Dolls. Wouldn't call it top tier or anything, but it worked, and Sorrow's Path was actually an asset.

There is no way Teferi's Isle would be in the top 10 worst when it still works with Amulet Titan. Also I'd be really surprised if Lava Tubes fits in the top 10 when there are a bunch of non-mana producing lands with terrible effects. Undiscovered paradise is actually just... a really good card in niche decks. Guaranteed landfall trigger every turn and it's still a 5-colour land. And not just weak decks, the card makes multiple top 8s every year in Legacy which is one of the most high-powered MTG formats that exist. It was even used in vintage decks which is THE highest power magic format until the decks which used it rotated out of the meta in 2019 with new cards printed. The card is pretty much the perfect example of a seemingly horrible downside actually being an extremely good upside. Like the aggro example of a deck has every land drop let you get (any number of) Bloodghast -> Prized Amalgam -> Gravecrawler from your graveyard every single turn if your opponent manages to kill them.

I actually run halls of mist as a sub for glacial chasm in my groups less competitive matches. Cumulative upkeep adds a counter to track costs, so a nesting ground can essentially maintain it forever (EDH omnath landfall, so plenty of search to grab it if I want it/ways to bounce it from the field) Halls of mist turns a 3clock commander into a 5clock, but still leaves me as a viable target for attacking, where as a glacial chasm removes me from being a combat target entirely (thus a little less fun in casuals)

WotC didn't discontinue banding because it was weak. It's actually incredibly strong. It's just that nobody, not even the highest level players, actually knew how it worked.

People mentioned the cardinal role of Forsaken City to make Stasis work and how great Paradise plays with Bloodghast specifically. The sweetest thing Paradise did in Vintage until very recently is that you even had a free throw away card for Bazaar of Baghdad after the singular land granted you multiple creatures

In defense of Teferi's Isle, it's something okay when you sequence it properly with Armageddon or some such. It also has decent synergy with Worldfire. City of Shadows also has pretty good utility, for example, I steal opponent's creatures and eat them with City of Shadows or Food Chain. CoS is better in some cases, since it's harder to remove and you get use out of it even if you don't have any creatures in hand for Food Chain mana. Some of these cards are actually pretty good cards, but you have to think outside the box, not just simple mana production.

Undiscovered Paradise was once an expensive card. You could use it to defeat/or in combination with Winter Orb. I suppose Armageddon decks played it, sometimes, too.

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Adventurers' Guildhouse is surprisingly great in Legend tribal in green : there's Reki & Kolvori, and you can also use trample enablers to mitigate Band disadvantage, Nylea & Rhonas are great because they are also indestructibles legendaries, making your band of heroes truly awesome.

For banding, your explanation isn't quite right - you don't choose the damage order (the owner of the damaging creatures still does, technically), you just _ignore_ the damage order and apply damage however you want. For a better example, say you have two 2/2 Grizzly Bears with banding, and your opponent has one 2/2. If they attack, you can block with your band of 2/2s and split the damage assignment between them, dealing 1 to each so neither dies. It also means they're unlikely to block your band, since it would turn their 2/2 into a chump block. If they had a 6/4, you can choose to assign all 6 damage to one creature, meaning you lose one 2/2, and they lose their 6/4. This also affects the assignment of trample damage (also, with regular banding, you _can_ form a band of one...). So if they have, for example, a 10/10 with trample and you have a 1/1 with banding, you can block with the 1/1 and choose to have all the damage get assigned to the 1/1 to prevent the trample damage affecting your life total. Also, any "is blocking/blocked by" effects can be triggered by a creature blocking/blocked in a band even if they don't get damage assigned to them. The only real payoff I've found for this though is Bushi Tenderfoot, a 1/1 who flips into a 3/4 with double strike and bushido 2 when it kills something in combat.

There was a point where SOME of these lands actually was used in some decks... albeit rare or bec of the time period. For example, the Depletion Lands were used by some poor players (i.e myself) for mana fixing since I can't afford dual lands or Pain lands (which also appeared in the same set). At that time, the choices are VERY small esp in Standard (standard then didn't have access to Dual Lands, so it's only City of Brass, the Pain Lands or Depletion Lands) City of Shadows can be used by decks that can take advantage of banishing creatures. I also know there is a way for it to provide infinite mana but I don't know for sure how it works. Forsaken City was during a time where City of Brass was nowhere in Standard so it was a poor man's version. I saw someone use Undiscovered Paradise in some Cadaverous Bloom Decks bec it bounces itself, becoming more ammo for Cadaverous Bloom card. Are these all efficient? Hell no! But at least these lands can say: Hey, we had our time in the sun! The rest of the cards, I NEVER saw in ANY competitive deck... AT ALL... but some are fun to use like Sorrow's Path to give to your opponent, Rainbow Vale actually works with Land Tax or equivalent since it gives your opponent +1 land and im sure there are cards out there that punishes your opponent for taking your cards. The rest... well... they're... amazing coasters...

I watched your yugioh videos for so long (no idea how to properly play at the competitive, just found it interesting to see what the game and meta was like) and am so happy to see you’re doing magic videos now!

Forsaken City is extremely powerful in conjunction with Stasis, especially in EDH with Brago, as it allows you to keep the enchantment around and keep playing while other players remain handicapped.

7:17 I assure you, Dark Depths is not as strong as Tabernacle or Bazaar. The token has way too many weaknesses associated with it to really sit with the big bois.

Forsaken City has a niche use with Stasis in that it's a land that untaps itself outside the untap step.

City of shadows isn’t as bad as some may think. I had a deck built around generating goblin tokens. Using impact tremors, goblin slide, and a few other cards I was able to generate constant ping damage. This would be effective In a deck like that.

As soon as you started talking about City of Shadows, I thought "Man, Atraxa commander decks would Love this card."

Actually, banding is pretty useful in certain situations. Having an attacking creature band with a goblin means that if the pair get blocked, you can assign all the damage to the goblin. Of course, requiring a legendary to take the hit is a lot more restrictive.

If Teferi's Isle came in untapped I feel like it'd actually be playable. An extra mana every other turn evens out, and spiking it on turn one or turn two would give you enough tempo advantage to make it worth it.

I was pretty surprised to see Forsaken City, but the reasoning makes sense. It was an undiscovered piece of tech in my vintage Stasis Lock deck since it enables infinite stalling to find combo pieces without relying on bounce effects or land draws.

Etb tapped lands are not awful, they've been powercrept out sure, but when they are your only option for fixing they do the job. The consistency they provide is worth taking out a few basics. Also banding was actually quite a powerful ability at the time, it let you attack into clogged boards with your fragile creatures easily, as you could assign all blocking damage to your 1/1 with banding. You are correct though that the ability confused a lot of people, not having any reminder text did not help things.

the rainbow vale is actually really strong in commander with zedruu the greathearted

I didn't play when it was a thing, but when I feel like banding is better than given credit for here. There are plenty of uneven stat lines where you could have say a 1/5 tank for several 1/1 tokens. This would allow attacking into bigger blockers without risking resources. Yes, you can be blocked by less bodies, but then your opponent should be forced into a bad trade leaving you better off long term. When I looked up banding whatever I was reading said Wizards acknowledged it was a strong mechanic, or at least beneficial but it was overly complicated to use. That makes sense to me. Blocking math with big boards can already get messy. Adding in banding considerations on both sides of the board on top of that doesn't sound fun. On op of that I could see it making learning the game even more intimidating. All that said the lands have a ridiculously limited version of the ability and do seem very, very bad.

Undiscovered paradise is actually decent in the Premodern lands it uses a card that gives you a draw whenever you Play a land and also plays exploration and Winter orb. Undiscovered paradise is good in that Decke because always having untapped lands in hand gets you around your own winter orb and also gives you an incredible amount of draw, its a niche effect but can be good

Undiscovered Paradise was actually in several serious competitive decks back in the day. Firstly, there weren't a lot of lands that tapped for any color of mana. And secondly, Winter Orb was a huge card and the drawback of Undiscovered Paradise actually helps you significantly if there is a Winter Orb in play. The card is horrible by today's standards though of course.

Thanks for introducing me to rainbow Vale my group hug deck needed a 12th way of giving my opponents mana, sometimes green mana isn't as useful to them as it is to me, but this is perfect for Glunch the bestower.

Keep in mind that this guy is new to MTG

Undiscovered Paradise would be good in a deck that cares about Landfall triggers. Think about Tireless tracker for example. While there are other ways to make lots of land drops, like with Wren and Six, fetch lands, courser of kruphix etc., this doesn't need any extra cards, just the land itself, and can be done again and again every turn. It can be worth it later in the game. It really sucks in the early game though, because it slows you down so much.

Undiscovered Paradise actually looks really strong for Landfall decks. You simply play all your other lands first (so they stay on the field), then play the Paradise when you don't have another land drop to make. It returns to your hand next turn, then you can repeat the process until you draw a land which can replace it. In that concept, it actually looks very strong.

I have an act of treason theme deck that I was very interesting in putting city of shadows in, however- the card is a whopping $175, heck no am I going to spend that money on such a bad card

City of shadows is actually pretty good. You can exile tokens to it. You could exile creatures you stole. You can proliferate the counters and they stay there. Real good colorless lnd, and I don’t think it’s as hard a hit as you mention

I love to play city of shadows in my steal-commander. Just exile the creatures you take from your opponents make this card so broken.

Swapping effect on sorrow´s path could be useful, it can save your bigger threats that opponent cannot block them effectively. Problem is that this upside is totaly negated by dealing 2 damage to your creatures, so this block switch is almost impossible to done. This effect would be ok on tapland with add [C] and no 2nd part.

Saw mists and thought of when and how to use it... Found it to be a nice stalling card if you are missing out on a turn or two... You get to block out the next attacks of the opponent for cost of your land-slot that turn, which may give you the time to win the game. And that's what I think is it's sole purpose. Play it, stall that turn, don't pay upkeep, win that following turn...msybe

Sorrows path actually does combo functunally with wrathful red dragon, brash taunter and stuffy doll. Mostly just wrathful red though. As getting out a large amount of dragons with ancient gold dragon or elminster will be a strange but hilarious way to close out a game. Not really worth running as you need way too much mana to get there. But for the bold memer who wants to run it in addition to blasphemous act and it's ilk can get some hilarious situations out of it.

Banding lets you decide how combat damage is distributed, not just the order that damage is dealt to the creatures in the band, so you're not giving it enough credit. They could've made the ability at least okay if they tried, but they just gave up on it instead.

Teferi’s Isle isn’t as bad as a lot of the slower lands. This is coming from a commander player, but that innate protection is surprisingly valuable, and gives some niche synergies (like staying ahead after some mass land destruction). The issue is that a large chunk of players don’t understand how phasing works and either make the card broken or unprotected.

for your Duel Logs channel i'd love to see you do top ten lists on Worst Continuous Spells and Worst Continuous Traps

Hiru's soon gonna have a channel for literally every game in existence.

The banding legendary lands can be great if you understand banding and have enough legendary creatures to make use of it Like is you are in a band with a 1/1 and a 5/1 and the opponent attacks with 30/5 trample you can have to token take all the damage and you take no trample damage

Old mtg lands arts are liminal af. Love them.

I use Halls of Mist in my mono blue Meloku EDH deck and every time I place it on the board my friends groan since it means I can control how much combat happens. Cumulative upkeep doesn't really mean much when I can just bounce it back using Meloku at the last end step before my turn and end up with a 1/1 flier as well.

Halls of Mist is big in Super Friends if you don’t want to splurge on a Tabernacle.

Undiscovered paradise is actually quite good, it has three world champion deck printings: Brian Seldon 1998, Jakub Slemr 1997, and Janosch Kuehn 1997. It also top 8'd dozens of legacy and vintage tournaments between 2011 and 2018. It even got top 8 at a CEDH (one of the highest power formats in magic) tournament 3 months ago. Banding also tends to be more powerful than most people realize. Largely because it's so complicated that no one really knows what it does. Though the banding lands are complete garbage and deserve their place on this list. Sorrow's Path is quite likely the worst land in all of magic; but it at least has the squid of sorrows combo which is hilarious.

Banding is baaaadddd, untill understood it wins matches... then it becomes badass!!

Just thought of a use case for Halls of Mist.^^ It's a semi useful effect... that gives you counters to feed into Power Conduit.^^

I liked using undiscovered paradise and ghost town to help get my hand back up to 7 cards to activate the Library of Alexandria. I also had very few options for enemy color lands back then. Because decks rarely play land every turn for the whole game, you can eventually drop it a second or third time and be back to where you would have been. I also liked that it helped me fight against mono blue back to basics decks. Between one regular item and 1 UP, I could counter spell battle with them better than only revised dual lands and city if brass. I currently only own 1 so I recently made a few printouts that I plan to add to a few commander decks.

City of Shadows: builds up charges too slow Atraxa and a Myr token creature: let's get to work.

I have found amazing use with the Fallen Empires storage lands, they can be paired with Evolution Sage in a Tatyova deck to proliferate those counters for maximum mana!

Okay but can we at least appreciate the fact that even though these cards are definitely bad, they all have awesome art?

I just discovers this channel and I'm over the moon

I can see sorrows path be used in a few decks because of its passive damage. Like for example you could run enrage cards or cards that have abilities activate when damaged. You could also use it in decks that thrive when tiny creatures die like with deaths presence.

Rainbow Vale got a nice art though. I would totally play that in commander.

City of shadows got a bad read on this list. It's a creature destruction engine with occasional value. It combos with preacher, seasinger, and merike to lock opponents off creatures and ramp you

City of Shadows: genuinely great in Atraxa EDH lists Undiscovered Paradise: was used in legacy dredge lists for a while because it allowed consistent Bloodghast recursion

Halls of mist is a great combo card, use it with Angels Trumpet and Chisei, Heart of Oceans. I use these in my merfolk deck with Judge of Currents and Stonybrook Schoolmaster. Also throw in some Propaganda and or a Ghostly Prison

I would have removed City of Shadows for Rhystic Cave then moved it further down the list because as you said City of Shadows has some niche uses and I'd argue that, at least in commander, they can be very strong niche uses. Rhystic Cave, while can color fix, does it in a way that your opponent(s) can just flat out tell you no to you producing the mana and to make matters even worse is that it's not a mana ability so there are some niche cases where it might not be able to make the mana in time (even tho "activate as an instant" makes it difficult).

Actually forsaken city is a really good land in stasis decks.... cause its untap happens after the untap step which stasis skips meaning you will always be able to pay the 1 blue needed for stasis upkeep

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This video feels like sitting on Gatherer a couple of years ago and sitting and trying to find the best cards for a casual vintagedeck ;)

Rainbow Value does have its niche use. It's quite useful in Zedruu / Blim decks.

I recently built a deck using banding to get multiple block triggers simultaneously. Specifically, I used it in a flanking deck, giving the poor creature blocking -1/-1 for every creature in the band. Still not great, but certainly fun

Forsaken City can bd amazing in a stacks deck that runs Stasis. A friend of mine had a brutal madness deck that ran a playset of these.

City of Shadows seems decent in some EDH decks. Atraxa is the one that comes to mind first, though being colorless in a 4-color deck definitely would hurt

A funny (bad) way to turn Depletion Lands into dual lands exists: to give your opponent Vorinclex, Monstrous Raider. As long as your opponent controls it, you put half as many counters rounded down on your permanents, so when you tap Lava Tubes for mana you put 0 Depletion counters on it and so it will untap at your next untap step x)

solemnity basically makes deplete lands into duals, and city of shadows can be good in proliferate decks (especially in commander where you can only run 1 of each charge counter land, and where you might not be able to run certain or any colours), undiscovered paradise is p good in landfall as it consistantly bounces itself back repeatedly and is 5 colour. combine this with multi land drop enchants and effects like burgeoning and it becomes one of the best landfall lands. Rainbow vale could be used in a 'donate' deck that uses that one card that cares about how many cards you own are controlled by your opponent. it costs a land drop but technically is a 0 cost permenant so it balances out for that deck. oasis could slot in (maybe) into an urborg deck but theres probably better 'has effect' cards that would be better in its slot. sorrows path i guess could be used in a 'dies' deck where death triggers matter, or a deck where you want to damage your own creatures for a bonus, like the one dinosaur whose name escapes me. anyway this is goose, trying to make bad cards less bad. tx for reading

I love that even with that much explanation of banding (with other), it wasn't technically quite right. Such a sillä ability :-P

I thought I knew some trash ass lands, but wow, these were something

Forsaken City does actually have a powerful use case since it combos with stasis

I actually play Rainbow Vale in my Zedruu EDH deck. It gives itself away for free, which is an upside in the deck and I usually get it back as well, because my opponents don't want me to draw cards off Zedruus trigger. Granted it's only really "playable" at casual tables and even then it's not the best card in the deck, but it does work funnily enough.

Here's the thing. You can block as a band of one and it lets you control how combat damage is assigned. Basically, banding is anti-trample. Not that useless.

I love how I use most of these lands in my EDH decks to abuse the effects. Yes even number one in my enrage deck

Forsaken City is played mainly in Stasis as lands don't untap anyway, the ability to exile a card to untap this when lands don't untap anyway is a huge benefit.

Wow, what a surprise that there are at least 10 nonbasic land cards from 1995 aren't very good by 2022 standards.

I didn't know you also had a mtg channel! Cool!

I got a big stinker as well, Rath's Edge, Legendary land (why it's legendary, i have no clue) -tap for 1 colorless mana, okay, nothing bad here, but a base color would be better, however -tap 4 mana, tap Rath's Edge, sac 1 land, to deal 1 damage to target creature or player. Why, just why, why on earth would i ever use that second ability, if it was a regular tap ability without any additional cost it would have been so nice. But now?, why not just use a basic land, at least it has a color and i'll never use that second ability unless i'm already winning.

Rainbow Vale actually has some usage in Commander decks based around "Group Hug", where the main strategy is to help out the other players. Especially in Zedruu, the Greathearted, who will draw you a card for every card owned by you on your opponents' side of the field. Rainbow Vale is really easy to donate away in that deck because all you have to do is tap it. Other than that, yes, I agree, its not a land to throw in just any deck. Sorrow's Path is a hilariously abysmal card. Those were the days TCGs in general, not just Magic, were in their infancy. These were the days where there couldn't exist a 2 mana 2/2 with Flying without it having a downside on par with having to run while carrying 2 50 pound weights with your teeth.

Fun fact about Forsaken City: its a core piece of a very strong (but not meta) legacy deck called Stasis. Basic, the Stasis enchantment makes all players skip their untap steps, but it has an upkeep cost. Forsaken City triggers at the upkeep, so you untap it, pay the cost for the enchantment and lock the game for your opponent

This is great. I always loved the weird sh!ttt @ss lands and try to use them. I remeber getting glacier and halls in a starter together and using them back in the day.

Oh my lands, you did it! You made an MTG Channel! Thanks! Auto-subbed!

city of shadows could see use in hostage decks where you temporarily take your opponents creatures. then exile them for mana advantage

I use city of shadows in my hazezon tamar deck and it's fantastic haha.