I’m sharing this video with lots of friends and I encourage everyone else to do the same. I hope this series and the book inspires conversations all over the world about how to properly take a stand for what we believe, while recognizing we don’t have to be hostile to those who disagree. Thank you Dr. Ortlund for stepping in the gap and getting the conversation going.

From a Catholic here, this has become one of my favorite channels. I disagree with you on much but I have learned so much from you and appreciate the raising of intellectual honesty among Christians. God bless you for your patience and charity!

“A lot of the divisions among churches are because of pride, not because of holiness” Appreciated this highlight of how important it is to humbly seek unity with others who believe in God’s love.

I love this John Wesley quote: October 6, 1774. I met those of our society who had votes in the ensuing election, and advised them (1) to vote, without fee or reward, for the person they judged most worthy; (2) to speak no evil of the person they voted against; and (3) to take care their spirits were not sharpened against those that voted on the other side.

I’ve been considering converting to Catholicism, and then stumbled upon your interview with Cameron. So thankful! Going to continue to dive deeper into actual facts before I make that kind of commitment.

This seems like it is going to be an interesting series. Thanks for working so hard to make these videos.

Great, thanks for this Gavin, and I look forward to more ! your book was very helpful btw 😊

Read your book on this a few months ago. Definitely a great read! I would recommend it to anyone. Thanks for a great video! Also, I sooo appreciate how you've segmented each video with the time stamps and topic. I always watch all the way through but it helps when I want to reference back to something!

This is a message I needed to hear, and should have listened to (if it had been made) a long time ago. Dr. Gavin Ortlund is a spiritual surgeon, and I need to read the book.

Such great content. I so agree with the immense importance for theological triage. You do a great job in explaining that. I just downloaded your book as well. Thank you.

That Spurgeon quote (21:15) is so good! Amen!

Thank you, Gavin. This is the pastoral voice needed to call the church to faithfulness and love.

Gavin, Thank you for such a thoughtful, reflective post. I would love to have you tackle the issue of sexual ethics in the Church/LGBTQ issues; specifically as it relates to unity within affirming and non-affirming churches.

Thank God for pastor Gavin ministry, unity which was a prayer of Jesus while on earth, that we be one as He and the Father are One, 🙏 pastor Gavin for bringing our attention to love, love builds and not tear people apart just because they don't agree with us, let's speak the Word of God in a Loving way🙏🙏🙏

A few more topics: 1. Age of the earth 2. Spiritual gifts 3. Principles of worship 4. Views of the Lord's Supper 5. Views of Baptism 6. Issues in Eschatology (inaugurated eschatology, millennium, tribulation, rapture, etc.) 7. Hermeneutics (dispensational, covenant, etc.) 8. Political views (establishmentarianism, liberalism, libertarianism, etc.)

Hello Pastor Ortlund! I am an intern with the campus ministry Cru, and I had the opportunity to give a seminar on “levels of belief” at our Fall Retreat last weekend. Your book and articles on theological triage were very helpful to me as prepared for it. Beforehand I was familiar with the Convictions, Persuasions, and Opinions model, but I actually prefer your four-rank model better. Thank you for all that you do!

Can’t even express how much I love this video, how timely it was for me personally, and how much I enjoyed the capricious/capri sun reference! Thanks Dr. Ortlund!

A very important topic. You have presented your case in a gentle and loving manner, and I agree with you on this. I hope you continue to discuss topics such as this...it's not a sexy topic, but so important.

I appreciate this approach. I was especially struck by the acknowledgement of "different forms of unity" and the Spurgeon quote.

Thank you Gavin for this helpful video. Though I seem to disagree with you on certain political issues, you have been a HUGE help in my struggle with different traditions and wondering about my own salvation. I’ve taken some of these issues to heart and am going to strive to be more loving even in the face of severe disagreement.

Look forward to this series! 🍿

You are doing great work for the Church. Please keep it up! Thanks. God bless you!

Wonderful video. Amen.

I am a Cal-minian. I recognize that way greater minds than mine have grappled with such things. I believe that the Lord will be merciful to me if I live as though I chose to submit vs having been elected. The LORD is not bound by time, so He knows who are His. How He would have explained that to shepherds, fishermen, and tax collectors is not for me to second guess. Thanks for your ministry!

Love your work. Thanks so much

Pastor Gavin, thank you so much for this video. The section on sectarianism convicted me greatly. I appreciate how much the Spirit is working in you to put forth both love and truth. God bless.

You found your niche. Please continue to speak the truth to your own detriment, and keep your eyes heaven bound. Numbers don't always reflect impact..

Thanks for the video! I thought your book on this was great!

Great teaching Dr. Ortlund. Orthopraxy is just as important as Orthodoxy. Jesus said, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another" (John 13:35).

Your so right "die on the right hills". Some People tend to be so tight, rigid, or judgemental on the wrong hills. I love to read and have read so many different kinds of topics and authors that I don't necessarily agree with.

Thank you!

A truly educated person is a well-read person.

Thanks for this video. I disagree with you about your ranking of sin and beliefs about marriage and metaphors for Christ and the church argument, but I will say, I love your work and your channel. You truly are a man of God and a breath of fresh air! You and one other person are like the only conservative Christians I will listen to on youtube. I value your contribution and have learned a lot from you in helping me to remain Protestant.

This one is my favorite so far! I'm a recently converted Christian in an interfaith marriage with someone exploring the Catholic church and sometimes fear and love can get mixed up in my motivations and "zeal" in certain conversations. Thanks for making this!

I've been in the process of discerning what tradition to belong to, and just wanted to say that I appreciate your intellectual curiosity/honesty and desire for unity on the Protestant side.

Thank you! Dr Ortlund, it would be wonderful if you would make a video that criticizes John Henry Newman's theory of the development of Christian doctrine. Many Roman Catholics, when they fail on biblical and historical grounds, turn to the idea of ​​doctrinal development as a last resort.

I had to go buy the book, hoping to gain an ounce of your grace

Although I'm not a Calvinist... I'm just looking at the channels I'm subscribed to, and the majority people are Calvinist which is kind've funny to me. Most of those like you said, are not outwardly selling Calvinism, I know they are only because they plainly stated so, in my opinion they are just humble respectful men of God. Will second your point about social and political issues are diving family, friends and even the Church. Great video, would love to see you do a video with Anthony Rogers! Even better, tag team heavyweight debate, ORTLUND/ROGERS VS ALBRECHT/SHAMOUN. ;-)

Thank you. It was Malcolm Muggeridge who was so critical of false ecumenism- it’s easy to agree when you believe so little - they believe so little that there is little to disagree about. And thank you for mentioning Richard Baxter - a beautiful writer.

Newer Christian here, it’s been about a year and a half and I think the only thing that really annoys me that other Christians do is when they spew hate, hate, hate and spread divisive messages outside of the Church intentionally so. One of my closest brothers theologically is a Catholic (I’m Presbyterian) and we agree fundamentally on quite a few things but I respect him and love him. But when we disagree we’ll disagree respectfully so and try to back our ideas with scripture and philosophical anecdotes. Like you said, people are so focused on being right they forget to understand.

2000 years later and we Christians are still handing out love as if there isn’t enough to go around. We/I love being the judge, jury, and executioner instead of even thinking about taking on a paper cut, let alone being crucified.

Gavin, thanks for being such a great model as a peacemaker. You've helped me a lot on Protestant v. Catholic issues. But your charitable and gracious spirit has helped me the most. When you mentioned Obama in the other video, initially, I was turned off by it. But I quickly realized that was my own immaturity. Thanks for helping me grow!! Keep of the great work! You are having a huge impact!!

Would really appreciate it if you'd get off the fence and finally tell us your preference of carpet colour in a church. Then we can know for certain whether or not you're a Democrat. You can't hide from the big issues forever Ortlund.

My pastor says there are issues we divide for like baptism, debate for like end times, and discuss for like which translation to use.

Hey Gavin!!! I’m wondering if you’d ever do a video on the “new perspective on Paul”. This new movement is very troubling to me and i would love your informed insight.

Praise the Lord my dear Brother. This is such a great way to tackle issues which have the Body of Christ falling apart. In the Ministry I have come across so many who debate Salvation or the means by which we receive the Gift. How Acts 2:38 includes the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and the Evidence thereof while others believe Romans 10:9/Ephesians 2:8. I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Thank you again for all the work you are doing for the Kingdom.

Gavin your way of talking speaks so deeply to me. I've often heard people 'majoring in the majors' but disagreeing what the majors are. For example I spoke to someone a few weeks back said 'oh they aren't a Christian as you and I would be' and I was like but if our Christology [i.e Jesus was God/Son of God and rose from the dead] is along the right lines [doctrine does matter though eh, there's a bigger story and meaning outworking. Its about the outworking of the Christian life] I studied History and English lit so I think beauty meaning are so under utilized, and I work in change process so the two parts of me are at odds I guess but if we can walk in unity the world will be amazed. Outlining what the majors [or should be] would be great

You're a Calvinist? Oh no. Lol jk I love this video. As an individual who didn't grow up in the church, I never understood the division amongst brethren because of doctrine. The schism and splinters within the body of Christ has caused me so much grief recently. I thank you for this video & all of your ministry brother. I will definitely be supporting your ministry and buying the book. I appreciate your zeal for God and the peace between lines. It would be awesome to have a conversation about this topic 🙏🏾 I believe it would be very edifying. May God bless you abundantly brother.

I really appreciate this approach, and in many ways it mirrors my own. I cannot fathom that I am right about everything, even fairly major things. That's why I need to be humble and trust both in the Holy Spirit to reveal and in others to teach me. I believe a lot of people can differ in opinion about many fairly major doctrine and hold those differing opinions in good faith and conviction. I think that is the key. There are some positions that I cannot in good faith believe are true, yet I know and honour others that can. Whoever may be right is less important than our faithful submission to the Lord and what he has revealed to us.

What a great concept...I'm working on a system of church triage also. Here are the top tier elements 1. We must still provide donuts at sunday school even when there is a fellowship meal after church. 2. If the McCollums keep sitting in my family's pew, I'm switching churches 3. Veggietales are still canon even if Phil goes off into left field.

What helps me in almost every thought of interpretation, is that I visualise graphs and diagrams. I think you'd do well to illustrate what you speak of with visual anchors. This, of course, does not have to be flashy.

Hi Gavin. Could you please model theological triage for us on the topics of cessationism/continuationism, and of infant baptism? Perhaps also Calvinism vs other soteriologies. Thanks so much for your very valuable content!

Time-stamps 5:12 - varying severity of sin 5:44 - Westminster Confession of Faith 6:46 - Galatians 1 and Romans 14 7:37, 8:05 - is theological triage a modern, liberal concept? 9:04, 9:40 - John Calvin 9:27 - how to pronounce “capricious”, the Capri Sun connection. 12:20 - consequences of ignoring triage 13:28 - According to Gavin, “… having civil disagreement is counter-cultural.” 14:32 - Gavin talks about Calvinism

Loving this book. Was just removed as a leader from my church because I wouldn’t endorse cessationism. I never made my view an issue but the church decided it was an essential doctrine to agree on in order to be a leader. So sad and heartbroken. For me it was a “3”. For the church it was a “2”. So hard to leave a church….😔

Did you ever make the second video on how to do theological triage? You said that would be the next one, but I can’t find it anywhere, thanks!

I am somewhat new of a listener, but as someone trained in triage from the perspective of a first responder, I think an important factor that also plays a role here is that it also matters how close the person is who has a theological disagreement. For example, 1. Spouse 2. Church member 3. Friend outside of church and 4. Stranger outside of church. I am more concerned about a smaller theological difference between my wife and I than I would be about a major theological difference with a complete stranger, say in the KZfaq Comments for example 😂 But great insight, I really pray that this is an area where more believers will study and grow!

Thanks for doing these videos, Gavin. I’m hoping you can address theological triage and the Trinity. This seems like an obvious #1 issue, as the church has always confessed, but I’d like to hear precisely why that is the case and why has the church said that salvation is impossible apart from a true belief in the Trinity. Thanks!

On the topic of unity, may I ask your opinion on "The Church Idea", by William Reed Huntington?

Perhaps you're covering this in a later video but I would love to know your perspective on women's ordination. Thank you.

YES!!! THANKYOU! There are some things that have some wiggle room. I'm a confessional conservative Lutheran, but I have been for (knowledge sake) reading the westminister confession, which is calvanist and reformed. While there are differences especially in nuances, all and all there is quite a bit agreement as well. I have no problem calling reformed brothers and sisters. I indeed disagree with some of their understanding, but ironically most are just minor nuances in the WAY it is explained. Like can a true christain lose their salvation (Lutheran view) vs those who do lose, weren't true christains to begin with (reformed view). But both warn against sin and apostasy and teach repentance and good works in the Christian life. Both teach if you fall in unrepentant sin and apostasy, unless you repent you will lose your salvation. And one can find biblical support for both concepts.

Hi Gavin. Just wanted to drop a line ask if you would consider sharing your thoughts soon about womens' roles / complimentarianism as a triage issue. I've been eager to hear your thoughts since you mentioned in one of your videos that you intended to do that. But of course, continue to listen to the Spirit in what to prioritize. I'll trust your judgment. Thank you very much for your ministry!

Did the Complementarian/Egalitarian video end up happening? I recall you did an interview video on the subject but wasn't sure if that was the same thing mentioned here and can't find another.

I think the balance between doctrinal minimalism and doctrinal sectarianism is crucial so we avoid shallow Christianity (with a bland ‘ecumenism’) on the one hand and idolizing our confessions on the other. Both these extremes can be dangerous.

Christendom vs invisible church! I think this is in some way the discussion behind all the political discussions and church's splits related to that 🤔

Thank you for the video, I read your book on the topic last year and found it very insightful. Since you asked for recommendations, I will say one area I wished would have been covered more extensively is how to navigate the thorny theological issues that arise from the turbulent cultural and political environment we find ourselves in. I understand not wanting to touch these topics with a ten foot pole, and I don't bring them up to be inflammatory but because they are things that have honestly disturbed my soul. Some examples would be: 1) If I am convinced that Critical Race Theory, taken to its logical conclusion, undermines the very heart of the gospel, and a fellow Christian with whom I previously enjoyed a large degree of theological unity comes to believe that CRT concernes are largely a myth constructed from the white privilege of people like me to avoid taking responsibility for systemic racism, how should I proceed? 2) If I truly believe that while Christians are under no obligation to support, advocate or vote for any political party, to do so for one that consistently supports zero restrictions on abortion and giving puberty blockers to otherwise healthy children (to name only two issues), should at the very least be a cause for church discipline; while many well educated Christians I've admired in various ways in the past seem to think it's not a big deal, or that I'm being divisive for mentioning it, how do I navigate that situation? 3) How should I deal with deconstructing Christians or someone like an Andrew or Spencer Klavan who seem to have been genuinely effected by Christ but are either sliding or have outright abandoned the biblical position on things like sexual ethics, which I still believe to be very important from a biblical perspective? 4) A slightly different but related issue: How does one determine one's biblical responsibilities in an increasingly godless society? What lines must not be crossed in the workplace for example, even at great risk to one's job? These are all things that have been heavy on my heart the past several years. Again, I understand if they are far too touchy to tackle in this series, but I do wish there would be more guidance around these issues from a charitable perspective in times like these.

Also, Dr. Ortlund, if you haven't already, seeing you triage complementarian vs egalitarian views and the implications would be really helpful.

Dr. Ortlund, Historically, what determines what we might call Fundamental vs. Non-fundamental Doctrines? I agree these are valid categories, but how do we determine the matter? What is the standard?

Well, there are some cultural and political issues that are related to doctrine. For example, are unborn humans persons with the Imago Dei? Is marriage exclusive to men and women?

A very interesting video indeed. I'm slowly going through your book on this subject too. I'd like some clarity on someone being wrong and yet not evil. Granted, being wrong doesn't necessarily mean someone is evil but it is often the case that ones suppression of the truth of God in unrighteousness leads to a darkened understanding (Rom 1). IOW, their reasoning stems from their morality. How you reconcile these two truths?

Hey Gavin, I just have one concern: it seems this unity is more a matter of personality (whether you believe it be sectarianism or minimalism the problem(or at least, the main problem)). For me, I think it is quite obvious that the church, her beliefs, and her people, are becoming quite minimalists, at least in America, where we do not have to die for what we believe in. Christ and His Gospel are the crowning jewel of the Scriptures as a whole, I would think it unwise, especially in a culture that is now disintegrating and attacking every facet of that formerly held belief system inside the walls and outside them, to act as if what is going on is the "sectarians" fault (also this is a multi-faceted problem, but I still believe the sectarian is the least of our issues). I really appreciate your point of view on the issue because I think your bringing up good issues for the church to deal with, but on the issue of what is to be done, because of either personality or our differing observation of social phenomena, I just cannot jump on board for now (Christ-like militancy against something that is urgent and pressing, even if non-essential, because the Gospel rests on all Scripture as if a crowning jewel, I think is called for in some circumstances - ex. Christ vis-à-vis the Pharisees)).

Didn't plan to watch this until I saw "confirmation" at my Presbyterian church. Topics to dive into for this series: church membership, ordination/apostolic succession, laying on of hands, church government. It seem like if I get these wrong it's plausible I could be in a cult. A Christian cult yes, but a cult none the less and not a parish.

Was there ever a followup video?

Is Dr. Ortland a Calvinist?! If there is no free will there is no hill to die on. So many videos, so little time...I find instead of choosing videos to watch I'm forced to reject videos in order to bring down the number. Calvinism is a minor good reason to reject but anti papacy is a major good reason to listen which puts Dr. O on the watch later (maybe) list.

Could you do a triage video on the Trinity? I believe in the triune nature of God, but I'm not as confident in it as everyone else seems to be. Also, I don't think most christians understand it as well as they think they do. If I asked the various believers in my life to explain the trinity, I think about a third of them would come up with some sort of partialistic or modalistic explanation. Are these people heretics for not understanding?

What level would you say that the theology of communion is at? The Real Presence vs Memorialism and such

This is a huge burden on my heart as well. It has become more of a burden I think in the midst of our "pandemic & Trumpian" context of the last few years. I believe we've done inestimable damage to our witness to Christ by aligning with un-Christian attitudes and causes but also by "biting and devouring" one another. Even the unbelievers around us have enough of the intact image of God remaining to know that is not Christ-like. We absolutely must rise above this base impulse to demonize and destroy anyone who disagrees with us. It truly would be countercultural and a great witness to the surpassing worth of Christ for us to value love and unity above the hubris driven impulse to be right at all costs. Thanks for your ministry and model for all of us in our own ministry efforts.

I agree that murder is worse than gossip from the perspective that intentionally taking someone's life is inexcusable, but sometimes gossip kills too, in a different way.

This may not be an issue that merits a video, but I am wrestling with the triage status of the issue of biblical inerrancy/infallibility. As someone who now holds a view of Scripture basically identical to CS Lewis, I feel a lot of tension in my knowledge that many evangelicals would hold my views to be deeply dangerous to the church. In many ways I am still an inerrantist at heart; I just have come to be convinced intellectually that I cannot interpret the Bible that way. Should I be cast out of evangelicalism? I certainly do not want to be. And my doctrinal stances have changed very little since giving up inerrancy--like Lewis, I have no desire in the world to slide into liberalism or progressive Christianity, which I find to be a grave danger.

I'm also interested in how the reformers "do" triage via sola scriptura. How can we be comfortable with a single mans interpretation or our own to determine what is major or minor. "But here some one perhaps will ask, Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and sufficient of itself for everything, and more than sufficient, what need is there to join with it the authority of the Church’s interpretation? For this reason - because, owing to the depth of Holy Scripture, all do not accept it in one and the same sense, but one understands its words in one way, another in another; so that it seems to be capable of as many interpretations as there are interpreters. For Novatian expounds it one way, Sabellius another, Donatus another, Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, another, Photinus, Apollinaris, Priscillian, another, Iovinian, Pelagius, Celestius, another, lastly, Nestorius another. Therefore, it is very necessary, on account of so great intricacies of such various error, that the rule for the right understanding of the prophets and apostles should be framed in accordance with the standard of Ecclesiastical and Catholic interpretation". -St. Vincent of Lerins

Catholic here. It pains me so often to see my Catholic brothers and sisters completely counteract the truth I believe we are blessed to have and share with all by covering it with pride and self-righteousness. I’ve been guilty of this too. Thank you for bringing this problem out into the light of Christ where we can all heal!

I dunno Gavin... the topic seems a little flashy to me, basically click bait really.

1) Trinitarian theology. 2) The sufficiency of the work of Christ for the repentant who remains in Christ. 3). The requirement to stay in Christ and be obedient to Him. (Rejection of autonomian/antinomianism.) 4) Correct division between Creator and creation. Rejection of New Age, NAR, gnosticism. 5) Authority of scripture and rejection of progressive reinterpretation. 6) The reading of the Word, the taking of the Eucharist, and the observance of baptism. That's the center of the majors for me.

As much as I disagree with the notion that all sins are equal - I suspect the impulse to hold that view stems from the understanding that all sin, no matter how small, leads to separation from God. God cannot look upon sin so in that sense there is no greater or smaller sins because God cannot abide by any of them. But what the believer doesn't seem to realize is that the original statement conflates the manifest presence of God with the consequences of sin which is an important separation to uphold.

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Triage does not work for many things specifically what God has called evil and what he has called good. Sponsoring or supporting something evil is not in the realm of triage. Example pastor Alistair Begg counseling a grandmother to attend her Tran grand child’s “wedding” ceremony.

If Machen could come back today he would immediately recognize, and comment, on how disregarding some of the “lesser” messages in the Bible have now compromised the Gospel itself. The Gospel message is to accept Christ as Lord and repent of your sins, that is to acknowledge, in humility, all those sins recognizable in your life. We now live in an environment where most churches have embraced a “Seeker Friendly” mentality where many sinful lifestyles will not be challenged or confronted because of the potential pushback. It has led to a secularization of churches and will continue to compromise God’s message. Even though this is just your first video of a series, I am concerned over its direction. Maybe my concern is unwarranted. We will see as this series progresses. One thing I would emphasize to you is that you need to rely more on scripture and not like the way you did when you pulled out Philippians 3:15. Like many verses, it can be taken out of context if not read with the surrounding verses. Keep in mind, Philippians 3:17-19 states “Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us. For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, WITH MINDS SET ON EARTHLY THINGS.” The reason for the emphasis…..it is impossible to deny that Americans, in all our abundance, have our minds on earthly things.

Orthodox here, I wish all protestants were as understanding of historical dialogue. As a former protestant I was always turned away from history, its all catholic and all a dark age. This is my challenge for protestants as the unity of all historically divided churches should be our goal and desire. For us, unity doesnt come from just having some of the right doctrines, but also submission to the historical and visible church found in the new testament. Id like to hear your take on all the verses in the new testament commanding us to believe the same things and be of one mind, and coupled with the boundaries in the new testament of the church where those that leave were never part of them or being in relationship to those bishops the apostles ordained and commanded us to submit to. It does seem through the 7 eccumenical councils the church was victorious and united against heresey that we can all agree on (some dont I understand). Christ and his theanthropic body is a primary issue for us. How do you foresee unity with this hill to die on for all of the Eastern Churches that long for unity under the headship of Christ?

Trying to think what Hills I am willing to die on: 1) There is only One True God, and no other. 2) The Doctrine of the Trinity. 3) The Divinity AND Humanity of Jesus (Fully God, Fully Man). 4) His Virgin Birth 5) His Sinless Life 6) His Atoning Death on the Cross. 7) His Burial 8) His Physical/Bodily Resurrection on the Third Day. 9) His Appearances to, and Commissioning of, the Apostles as His witnesses. 10) His Ascension to Heaven where He sits at the Right Hand of God Almighty. 11) His Future Return 12) The Coming Judgment. 13) The Everlasting Punishment that awaits Unbelievers (i.e. a Literal Hell). 14) That Salvation is Found in no other name, than Christ Jesus. 15) That Salvation is by Grace through Faith, and not by Works. 16) Credobaptism (i.e. Adult Believers' Baptism), by immersion (whenever possible) as the only valid form of Baptism*. 17) That Baptism Saves, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (i.e. Baptismal Regeneration is the normative means through which God regenerates a repentant believer). 18) The Real Presence of Christ in the Bread and Wine (though I do not try and ascertain how this Mystery is done, I simply trust God). 19) That the Bread used in Communion is to be Unleavened. 20) That the gifts of the Holy Spirit continue to our day, and that we are to neither forbid the speaking in tongues, nor despise prophecy. Though all things are to be done in an orderly fashion. Speaking in tongues is not the only sign that someone has received the Holy Spirit, but rather we should look for the fruit of the Spirit in a person's life as the only true sign of regeneration. 21) That Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, that He tasted death for every man, giving His life as a ransom for all, and that He would have all men to saved. 22) That Determinism (and Compatibilism) are completely foreign to the teachings of Scripture, and make God the Author of Sin. No Christian taught any such doctrine anywhere before (approximately) the year 400, and it should be fully and wholly rejected. 23) The idea of the Papacy is wholly the invention of men. 24) The veneration of images and icons is completely foreign to the Scriptures, and to Christianity, and despite the protests of those who bow before such things, they are a violation of the 10 Commandments, and are to be wholly rejected. 25) That anyone who says that they know Christ (i.e. that they are a Christian) but do not keep His Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in them. see 1st John 2:3-4 26) Without Holiness no one shall see the Lord. For whilst we are saved by Grace through Faith, and not by our works, a true Christian who is regenerated by the Spirit will bear fruit in keeping with their repentance and the new life that they have in Christ. 27) Anyone who returns to the things of the world, living in and practicing unrepentant sin, if they are to die in such a state, will have made shipwreck their faith, having forfeited the Salvation that Christ won for them. 28) Elders/Bishops/Pastors MUST meet the requirements set out in Scripture, and this includes being men (i.e. there are no female Pastors, or Teachers of Doctrine in the Church of Christ). and these two should be covered under general holiness and obedience to Christ, but because they are such key issues in today's world, I'll spell them out here: 29) All Sex outside of the Heterosexual union of Husband and Wife is sin. This includes but is not limited to sleeping around and having casual sex, and all forms of homosexual (gay, lesbian, etc.) sex. 30) Abortion is murder (always, and without exception). I suppose there are many more, but this is already longer than I imagined it would be at first, so I'll leave it there. *I am currently studying the introduction of infant baptism into the Church, and wonder if there is not a place for it, in the case of children who are sick, though I am not yet convinced of this. *EDIT: Just to be clear, I do not automatically dismiss a Brother or Sister as a heretic if the disagree with me on some of the above points. Rather these are points that I believe to be true and worth contending for, even if it means that others will cast me out. I would still do mission alongside someone who was baptized as an infant, for instance ... I would just tell them they need to repent and be baptized whilst I'm at it.* ;) XD

Not only a Calvinist and an Obamist, but a MARXIST?? Unsubscribed Gavin, anathema!! 😂

Hey, it's not like you CHOSE to read Obama, after all... (just kidding)

The triage model is unbiblical and quenches the Spirit which we are warned not to do. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth, not doctrines of men put above the word of God. Our church follows this model and I have been persuaded by the Holy Spirit that it is spiritually stagnating our members. Paul said he wasn't guilty of any man's blood because he hadn't failed to teach the whole counsel of God. Jesus said man will not live by bread alone but by every word of God. All scripture is profitable for teaching, exhortation and doctrine. Churches who use this model put themselves at risk of arrested development because they are more likely to remain stuck in the elementary principles rather than maturing in Christ. I pray all who reads this will seek the Lord Jesus in prayer, humbly putting aside personal preferences. These types of devices are worldly in a vain attempt to create worldly peace.

The hill I die on is the gospel. Being born again. I don't understand why you are so soft on this issue. You gloss over what the Catholics and orthodox believe. These people aren't saved and I don't understand why you can't see that.