The answer is: They don't care. They won't care until it is too late.

If Solar Aux didn't suck so much they would be a cool army

The problem IMO is that GW is still selling physical copies of the rules. This presents a block towards rewriting rules that have been printed, published and sold. If the rules were digital, updates could be more comprehensive. I thought GW was going that route with 40k 10th edition. But no, they are still wanting to sell those stupid codexes We already pay enough for the models themselves. Why are they gouging us for rules that are broken on top of everything I recently got into Warmachine and started playing games of Dropfleet Commander as well. Those systems give you the rules for free and also make regular updates. Just makes GW's issues stand out even more to my eyes

Think the problem is leadership. There is no way there is a leader with an envisioned plan. Feels like a committee is just figuring out what will get the most preorders and thats it. Look at Old world which we know is basically being Spearheaded by a small team with both hands tied behind their back and cement blocks strapped to their feet, but they still have put out what is it like 3 Sizeable FAQs and rules for all factions. It's nonsense.

I think ultimately GW is not concerned with the people playing their games. They haven't been since the Kirby years when he decided that modellers and painters are their core group - but while he picked the wrong time, Rountree just happens to be correct about the current market. As a marketer, it really seems like the company is mostly run by marketing and is trying to appeal to modellers - the miniatures are almost all made for display rather than to actually play with, they're bigger and look nicer on social media, and ultimately it comes down to making new stuff, pushing it into customer's eyesight and going 'isn't this cool?'. The problem of talent is quite a complex one. I think a lot of it is that the company's focus is on production rather than utility, and since their target demographic isn't gamers, it matters less, and their leadership has always been a bit of a joke in regards to giving good directions. They seem to rarely do things of their own volition anymore - it's almost always in response to some complaint or something that someone wants, but it usually isn't solved in the best or obvious way, and sometimes it feels like there are directives to make newer stuff better while older stuff gets worse and then gets dumped into legends. I think a big part, though, is something that afflicts almost every industry - in pursuit of profit over stability, a lot of companies just hire more cheap talent that either has little interest or little technical experience or no history with the brand and then just leave them to do whatever thinking that it'll work out somehow because they're more in touch with what modern consumers want. It robs them of the knowledge and the ideas that the original creators of the property had and others carried through in their work, and without oversight and interest in the quality of the product itself rather than the numbers it generates, there's nothing to reel them in when they make changes and then they make more and more changes and it becomes a mess. Matt Ward's work at times is a very good example of the favoritism that almost every product now radiates. Without respect and deep enough knowledge of what came before, you can't build on it, you can only create something that wears its skin and that's a bit what 40K has become and 30K and TOW be, and probably AOS if it lives long enough to see multiple generations of creators. Unfortunately, most of GW's best have long since left and with no coherent leadership, 40K and AOS and all their other properties will plateau eventually and then steadily decline because there will be a point where the shine wears off and people will see that a lot of the modern product is hollow and generic epicness instead of the punky, pulpy, counterculture, heavy metal space fantasy and regular fantasy. Properties can't run on 'this is cool' forever, they have to have something deeper within them that speaks to the popular zeitgeist.

I tried to get into 30k mechanicus. Ended up with Separatist forces for Star Wars Legion

ITs weird because the a similar thing happened with the guard in 40k: nerf the tanks and arty tooo hard and it rapidly becomes apparent that, next to roided out marines in power armor or psychotic xeno armies...basic human stat line just doesnt have a lot of staying power. For solar aux litterally to fix them let the battle cannon be AP3, medusa AP2, executioner be AP2 can stay large blast an ya otherwise give the big guns their 1e rules damnit then they could at least play (better) with the legions

They don't fix anything because they don't need to. No matter how bad the rules are, players will still rush out to buy the newest plastic bling. Think of it this way: if they truly wanted to improve their games, edition-by-edition, 40K ought to be one of the greatest tabletop games ever. But it's a messy mess because Games Workshop can't write rules, even if their lives depended on it, and players don't seem to care. The only way to fix this is to vote with your wallet. Get a 3D printer and use One Page Rules. That might eventually get their attention.

its ego. the same reason they always double down on any mistake they make and delete negative comments from their streams.

What GW don't realise is that Warhammer, 40k, and Horus Heresy don't need GW, the community owns it.

GW won't fix anything unless and until it hurts their bottom line. They've failed to keep pace with the advancements within the rest of the tabletop gaming industry, and they can actually do that because they are simply so profitable and have such a large market share that they don't have to give a crap about nowadays-sensible things like free / digital rules, regular balancing updates, free army builders, etc. The only other popular game publisher that I can think of that comes close in how nonchalant they are towards consumers is probably Battlefront (aka. Flames of War). Their online army builder remains locked behind a paywall and they only seem to ever publish hard copy rulebooks, with a rules design team that feels highly unreceptive to gamer feedback on game balance and IRL equipment/unit performance.

Whst we need is a outer circle faq. Me and my mate have been using you salamanders fix from another video and it's improve our game considerably. We are trying mournival fixes atm and blend thrm ontop if needed

This was a well argued, well evidenced take Macca. Great work

The problem GW has with listening to customer feedback and correcting the system is if the current version of the rules becomes close to flawless, they won't be able to sell us HH3 in a few years where they correct HH2's flaws and at the same time mess up other rules that were previously working.

Much prefer HH1. The rending power sword is nice tho

The same thing happened years ago with D&D. People didn't like the rules. So people took it into their own hands and made their own thing. I did the same thing for 40k; I made a version for my group based after the 3rd, 4th, and 5th editions that took ideas we liked from the past, mixed a little from the modern games, then sprinkled some new ideas. Bam, Spikes and Skulls. The reactions seem good, and I look forward to testing it out soon.

2.0 rules have almost destroyed 30K, every army is now stacked with ELITE infantry and dreadnoughts, there are almost zero viable list building options. No one runs anything interesting because ALL vehicles suck( no ceramite and sunder las cannons!), knights and super heavies suck, flyers are trash as they enter the board to crash and burn and completely waste their points, weapon skill changes make anything with WS4 useless, game flow is dog shit now because of how reserves and deep strike etc. work, night fight forced in every fkn mission for multiple turns, blast weapons suck so no arty, anything that isn't marines are not worth putting on the table, loyalist are over tuned for the most part, the outcome of almost every engagement is known before you start rolling dice, reactions are complete idiocy, the list goes on........ The clown writers at GW must have been high on their own shit to come up with this slop.

They will not change it until Heresy 3.0 in a year or so !!!!!

Maybe any of the following options: 1. They didn’t organise towards support, but in project-org ways where they only deliver new stuff. That way everything is sunk cost and requires no permanent support costs to a product range other that making stuff. Seems weird but we are taking GW. 2. They really don’t care about the future of HH. They want to move towards smaller game systems and this is just in it for the mean time for us to chew on 3. They just don’t want to spend more on a single project- no more multi years production. It is done and gone. In that light maybe it didn’t deliver what they hoped. 4. Just not give it any priority. 5. The entire project HH2.0 was just a quick win to save what they could from 1.0, I.e. draw as much money from us as they could manage. Wrap it up from there while it dies. 6. Some high up manager promised someone HH2.0 would be an improvement over HH1.0 and any evidence/metric (like the number of FAQ’s) is being buried that might even slightly point to anything different.

It's simple to me; they do not see the financial upside in updating the rules here. If it will make them a lot of money, they might consider updating things. But they just don't see this as making them a lot of money, so this is of no priority for them.

The imperial fist bolter and auto gun rule desperately needs fixing.

Everyone just revert to 1.0. Why does everyone jump on the new band wagon every single time and act like they can never go back to editions they have sitting on their shelves? I play 6th ed fantasy (in a big local scene) 40k 4th ed and Heresy 1st ed. If they make a model I like then I'll by it but why would I want to play an edition I dont enjoy when I own books for one that I do.

They should have different shell options in these vehicle. Battle cannon should have a small blast s8 ap3 profile and a large blast s6 ap5 pinning profile. Medusa should have a small blast s10 ap2 profile and a large blast s8 ap3 profile. So much of the trouble is nerfing it against one thing overnerfs it against another. Ammo options gets round that.

The rules are bad gw but we are a miniature company. The models are bad gw but we made the rules amazing op...

It’s budget They would only allocate X every 6-12 months And the goofs writing this edition are incompetent and blow through their allotted budget quickly. They want to spend the least and maximise their gains on minimum spend. They don’t have a genius like Alan there to do it, and the ‘team’ probably one or two guys and an assistant if they’re lucky), are just not good at their job

GW is making a solution to a problem you need to buy. If they came out with one set of core rules that worked 99% of the time, no one would have the incentive to buy different editions of rules.

The answer is: They think they are right, if they concede on one thing, they will have to concede on other bad choices.... They will never admit they are wrong. That old store manager i spoke too was right "When GW release primarchs in 40k its the game in its death throws"

I play both Horus heresy and Old world, and the contrast is quite pronounced.I never really started enjoying HH2.0, my gaming group could never even agree to switch over from 1.0. for old world we didn't have that problem, everyone was happy switching over from 8th and it's really a lot of fun. So GW can create fun rules, but it really feels like there was no passion behind creating the new HH edition, just a top down decision with some changes for the sake of change. And nobody is really putting in any effort.

I like the idea of assigning an offensive and a defensive points efficiency against things like MEQ and TEQ as a control mechanism to points cost, kind of like an extension and balancing of more complex combinations to your excel sheet of points costs. I'm just not sure, how time consuming it would be to set up and maintain

Solar Auxilia: Written by Space Marine players for Space Marine players.

Are you going to reupload the livestream?

My guess, is that they're trying to slide out of the actual gaming side of the hobby and become more media focussed, and one of the ways they're doing that is by putting people off of the actual ttg side of it

alot of those nonsensical, and obvious FAQs exist because your average player dumb enough were its needed, or its "RAW or gtfo" Obviously they should support heresy more.

For Contemptors, I don't think even a 50 point price raise is enough. They'd still be worth taking. I'm not sure if I can remember seeing one die in this edition (maybe a couple I've forgotten, but it's usually Contemptors left at the end of the game), how much is something worth if it never dies?

If GW improved the game between editions the game would be great. Instead each edition is a bunch of arbitrary, shit-at-the-fan changes just cos they need an excuse to sell a new edition.

It's easy, it's a "main line game" so new edition next year.

Macca, can you please release an outer circle FAQ? A solid unbiased 3rd party with passion for the game like you would be enough for at least my group to try it out.

Helldivers 2 has shown that with enough pressure, a company can back down

Sorry, they’re going to be used in 40K- they’re a bit more effective there

Yeah I checked out of Warhammer I think. I got rid of my armies 8 months ago and forgot about this game entirely. Lifelong Warhammer fan here. I wanna get back into the game but the rules are so bad lmao and I have no faith in the company anymore

Maca please do a five minute salt piece about the price of boss snikrot that little orc must be the most expensive plastic per size

My guess is GW is intentionally leaving Heresy broken. My theory is that they are hoping that people can’t gatekeep / self police their lists with the bad rules they have written and it ends up completely breaking the game. That way they can sweep in next edition and state some BS like “the 30K player base was upset with such varied rules and army rules so we have simplified everything and all factions are basically identical now, etc. etc.” To be clear, I’m not saying we should have to tailor or lists for every game and GW could just write some balanced bloody rules. Just that I always fear there is, at least partially, some corporate fuckery happening in the background that influences these decisions. Or maybe I am giving GW too much credit and they are just simply kinda bad at their jobs 🤣

My entire gaming group still plays heresy 1

Its one thing to do with paper cards as in WOTC and MTG but over-priced plastic model toys?

One Page Rules: Grimdark Future has rules for every single Heresy model. And it makes me very happy.

I’d want to play 1.0 just because I like Thousand Sons and wanna see how they were then. But fan rules are better than no rules. I plan on making tons of rules for 40k myself because it’s dumb how’s much “simplifying” GW did to the game. Or maybe just play 3rd or 5th edition instead

Because people don't have standards and GW has no shame. #CLAIMWARHAMMER

To be that one guy: I play Solar Auxilia regularly and even take my army to Heresy events here in Germany. I lose most games that I play and sometimes I achieve a draw. I think so far I've only won one single game and that is despite me fielding a decent number of LR Vanquishers. However, I don't really mind because I think of the rules as a storytelling device and not as a handbook for competetive wargaming. I do understand that people are pissed about the rules being written the way they are but looking at the game from the perspective of a roleplayer or a storyteller, I don't really mind. The rules are an imperfect and, yes, expensive sandbox to me and I can do with them whatever I want because I play my games the way I want them to be played. People who complain about the rules online seem to me like they approach warhammer rule books like sacred religious texts which can only be changed by a legitimate extrinsic authority. As you correctly point out in your video, after two years of Heresy 2.0, everybody who plays the game or reads about the game's meta knows about its many, many weaknesses. Still, Liber Panoptica already adresses many of those issues and ultimately, it is the players who can decide which kind of game they want to play.

because their eyes are too close together

I was really hoping to get into 30k. This isn't a good sign.

I've seen Auspex's video on the matter of bad 40k units, and it struck me: both design teams nerf same things: artillery, fortifications and flyers. Quess it's just GW mojo now. Oh, and I'm pretty sure they think blast weapons slow the game down, so they nerfed them to the ground

The long and convuluted one, I believe there is only one person writing the rules, and thus and echo chamber forms, sometimes individual writers are great, I have tried myself, I wanna pull my hair out trying to balance it on The Painting Phase Podcast they brought on a tonne of ex gw to talk about their experiences. Eavy Metal team are paid £17'000 a year, (24'000 roughly in AUS) That is your answer, they are paying staff like shit, so the staff get fed up and jaded and so quiet quit, and thats not even going into the weird work culture there.

The faster people snap out of the "It's a narrative game so balance doesn't matter" the better. Also I think one of the senior devs for HH2.0 has said on his social media that they owe nothing to the players. Fun non HH fact: One of the most oppressive cards in mtg that was printed modern times managed to get printed the way it is because it did not occur to a dev that players would use one said card's ablities to disrupt the opponent instead of the original intended use.

They should make new generic rites of war, a demios rhino company rite of war would be a dream. Full on mechanised assault!

Abolish IP. if people have better Star Wars, Warhammer, Marvel, ... stories to tell than the OG creators, then the world should not be denied those stories merely to protect lazy, abusive and anti-consumer rent-seeking behaviors.

It's probably that guy who forced PL and Tempest of War into 10th Edition because people were playing his game wrong. Releasing FAQs is admitting fault in that kind of stuck up person's eyes, and all of their games are flawless masterpieces. I also have a feeling GWs upper club doesn't like specialist design studio.

Heresy 1.0 is far better. 2.0 is terrible.

Play community rules GW doesnt card after hype sales.

Hey guys makka was talking about an faq from the Mournival guys about HH1 that fixed its issues. Could anyone tell me where to find it since i started heresy at the end of hh1 and I think HH2 sucks rules wise. Thqnks and sorry for being stupid

"Bro you should totally play tabletop and stop playing TW:Warhammer" "Oh yeah bro you'll be spending $2000 on a game nobody actually enjoys playing."

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It's like all technology and good will, companies have incompetents, peter principle morons who have no clue about how the game runs or how it use to run, they simply just throw out some mechanicus patchwork rules patching or as I say, what they "feel" the rules should be or what the buddy biddy tourney kings demand. And as to" good will," good and great companies will allow fans leeway to create and encourage house rules and will even take fan creations and house rules when they are extremely popular. Even if they made good rules and gave good will, I still would never care to buy in because I'm still priced out by their stupid price gouging hole they dug themselves into. GW are trying to make a VHS tape deck play DVDs and they get to the point where as long as it "loads" who cares if it plays.

And the Horus Heresy train wreck keeps on chugging along...

I love Solar Aux, i xouldnt wait to get aome in plastic and i usually 3d print my own stuff. The rulea for Solar Aux are so poor theyre even go against the lore in my opinion. I'd go so far to say thwyre almost unusable against any Astartes force.

answer is: we're overthinking this. The most obvious solution is that the creators wanted a narrative game - if you look at the rules and supplements that have come out, they are all clearly pointing in this direction - eg Legiones Hereticus, these rules are about how the creators thought corrupted Emperor's Children should 'feel' on the table, not balancing them for competitive play. I believe they wanted Militia and Solar Aux to better sit narratively vs the marines than they did gameplay wise in Heresy 1.0. No marines being overwhelmed by large blast AP2 and hordes of roided up stubborn peasants swinging axes. They wanted more the cowering transhuman dread harvested like wheat humans you see in the novels. This isn't going to please everyone and to be honest from my experience playing Militia, they're pretty well not competitive at all and it's hard work, but I do have some sympathy for their take. Also, I think it's unfair to attack the integrity of the designers. I don't know, of course, but from what I've heard it's the older types who were around during the golden years who are in this team and the other specialist teams. They know what they're doing. You can see the influence of Rogue Trader and old editions of 40k at work in the way the Heresy rules are being written. These are deliberate stylistic choices balanced with what resources they have available in terms of time, model release schedules and internal politics. They're probably just not releasing a comprehensive FAQ due to lack of resources or because it's not a priority for a narrative game system that's going to be around for years.

OPR One Page Rules...its a free 40k rip off.....so laugh at 40k

Everyone likes TOWs rules. Great game. Nice that you declared it dead after like a week 😂👌

You dont have to play night fight if you dont want to

This is my free to play build for my barbarian. Open with Wrath of the Berserker, then trigger Chain Spear & Ground Stomp and channel Cleave's full charge. Mid rotation is to then use Chain Spear & Ground Stomp again and then use Lacerate until Cleave and Wrath of the Berserker are ready again, then repeat rotation. After a lot of trial and error making builds this one has the best single target and area damage I've come up with so far and is a great jack of all trades master of all combo build for the barbarian class. 9 months of playing Diablo Immortal report: At paragon level 950 as a Barbarian I am super strong and have a badass, powerful custom build. I have spent $0.00 on this game. I can kill an Elder Rift boss in 18-20 seconds. Comparing myself to other players who after questioning and interviews have spent between $500 to $1,000 in the game on microtransaction gems they take between 10-8 seconds to kill the same boss. Where microtransaction gems really matter are in infernal raids (paragon 800-1,300) in which a group of 8 whale players can kill a boss with 100,000,000 health in a matter of seconds. However, saying "really matter" is up for debate because when the boss dies in this scenario there's 8 minutes & 30 seconds out of 9 minutes remaining on the raid boss timer. A group of none microtransaction free to play players would probably spend 4 to 6 minutes to defeat the boss as long as it went smoothly and everyone knew the fight. The conclusion is that Diablo Immortal's microtransaction gems aren't necessary to fully play and enjoy the endgame and earlier sections of the game where they start pushing the microtransactions on you. All they do is save you time and make the levels faster and the enemies die quicker. I play this game on my tablet when I'm taking a ****** or watching a meh movie with my family. If you're playing on PC there's so many better ftp and ptp games in this genre. I play Path of Exile and will switch to Path of Exile 2 later this year. Path of Exile mobile is also still in development so that'll be a competitor to D8ablo Immortal when it comes out. There's supposed to be a new class coming out in June or July 2024, so I'd like either a witch doctor, Shaman/druid or some kind of dash/teleporting assassin with knives. Maybe a badass juggernaut class with a huge warhammer that hits slow but super hard. Most insiders are saying it's gonna be a Tempest which would be an elementalest with a sword or something. miss piggy9 months of playing Diablo Immortal report: At paragon level 950 as a Barbarian I am super strong and have a badass, powerful custom build. I have spent $0.00 on this game. I can kill an Elder Rift boss in 18-20 seconds. Comparing myself to other players who after questioning and interviews have spent between $500 to $1,000 in the game on microtransaction gems they take between 10-8 seconds to kill the same boss. Where microtransaction gems really matter are in infernal raids (paragon 800-1,300) in which a group of 8 whale players can kill a boss with 100,000,000 health in a matter of seconds. However, saying "really matter" is up for debate because when the boss dies in this scenario there's 8 minutes & 30 seconds out of 9 minutes remaining on the raid boss timer. A group of none microtransaction free to play players would probably spend 4 to 6 minutes to defeat the boss as long as it went smoothly and everyone knew the fight. The conclusion is that Diablo Immortal's microtransaction gems aren't necessary to fully play and enjoy the endgame and earlier sections of the game where they start pushing the microtransactions on you. All they do is save you time and make the levels faster and the enemies die quicker. I play this game on my tablet when I'm taking a ****** or watching a meh movie with my family. If you're playing on PC there's so many better ftp and ptp games in this genre. I play Path of Exile and will switch to Path of Exile 2 later this year. Path of Exile mobile is also still in development so that'll be a competitor to D8ablo Immortal when it comes out. There's supposed to be a new class coming out in June or July 2024, so I'd like either a witch doctor, Shaman/druid or some kind of dash/teleporting assassin with knives. Maybe a badass juggernaut class with a huge warhammer that hits slow but super hard. Most insiders are saying it's gonna be a Tempest which would be an elementalest with a sword or something.I'd like either a witch doctor, Shaman/druid or some kind of dash/teleporting assassin with knives.One thing no one's mentioned so far is that way before all of this even started there were female and male space marines in Age of Sigmar. Because of that I figured GW would try and make female space marines or Custodes in 40K. If they didn't want them in 40K then they wouldn't have tested them out in Age of Sigmar. Because of this I've made my peace with the eventual lore changes a long time ago, I just didn’t expect Games Workshop to mess up this simple change, gaslight people and piss off their community. I just hope that when they do add female space marines to 40K they don't say "there's always been female space marines" and get everyone worked up again lol. My guess is the reason why they added females to ths Custodes is because the Amazon show'll have a scene of a Custodes fighting and being badass and then they'll take off their helmet and it'll be a woman and the expected audience reaction will be "whoooo! It's a woman doing and being badass!" But I don't really get why they couldn't have a Sister of Battle do the exact same thing and get the same crowd reaction. In the lore the Sisters of Battle are the counterparts to the Custodes. When Magnus oppened a portal into The Emperor's throne room both the Sisters of Battle and the Custodes were sent into the portal to hold off the demons. I don't think The Emperor just grabbed whoever was available at the time, he sent his best to fight the endless legions of Chaos. I just gotta say one more thing. The 10th Edition Custodes Codex nerfed the faction and made them less fun to play. At the same time they changed the lore and added woman to the 10,000. Doesn't that imply that Games Workshop thinks that adding woman to a faction makes said faction weaker? I'm kinda shocked no one else has seen those dots and connected them lol.Apparently the whole road map was a purposeful lie. They never intended on releasing the new class in April. According fo community representatives it's gonna come out in late June.Let's be honest, the reason most people might be upset or dislike this is because they're changing stuff, not because they don't want woman to be represented as space marines. I think they should remake it so 5,000 Custodes are female and 5,000 Custodes are male. I think it's a good push for more woman characters and tabletop models. We'll probably have female Space Marines a few years from now. I think they should put b*obs on Skarbrand and make the Emperor an Empress. I hope they do, I really hope they do.... I want Rogal Dorn to come back to the galaxy and he's a she now. Female Rogal Dorn. Change all Space Marines into females. Now only females can become Space Marines, so in the lore, one day male Space Marines will be rare because you can't make more. 3D print b*ob armor for the Space Marines and Custodes. I think this is only a good thing because it will make females fell safe and have more then 6-10 factions to play as if they only want to play as females. I think having female Custodes now in the lore and retconning so they were always there in the 10,000 is only a good thing for the fanbase. The fanbase needs to chill out, okay? Because all the people who are newly joining the hobby and love of Warhammer or just hearing and learning about it are gonna think it's full of intolerant pigs. No matter how explained or what the argument against having female Custodes is presented, that's how most people will probaboly view it.I'd like either a witch doctor, Shaman/druid or some kind of dash/teleporting assassin with knives.

Easy. Stop playing Warhammer. It's 2024. You should be more aware about things happening around the world. Stop wasting your life and money on this garbage company.

Why do people complain about always on nightfighting? It's called the Age of DARKNESS after all ;)

Honestly, I like that SA are dogshit. Sorry, but HH is an epic story of a war of brother against power armoured brother. SA take away from that imo. You want a hipster army? Fine. But it ain't gonna compete

Play older editioons! They are often better, all is availble online.. You bought your models for them. Fuck the new shit

have you heard of tg's /fourk/ project? some guys are remastering 4th edition and backporting the new stuff