Having Tyranids as a faction would be hilarious for diplomacy options

I can’t wait to play my main the Custodes army with a staggering max unit size of 3.

"Zooming out into space would be boring." Some people did not play Empire at War and it shows.

Hear me out: space marines are infinitely customizable and Gorrilaman is a bery safe bet for a Legenday Lord, but what if they let you do the demon prince thing and custom make a chapter master or something? Custom faction colors, symbol, customize his loadoat and such

I can see Guard being done in the first game as the default enemies to fight, ie. the role of rebels, and become a playable faction through DLC/FLC

Also in terms of deamons, they may pull a blood dlc where they say “oh if you own Warhammer 3, you can use the deamons in 40k”

The good old Total War Cycle: People get excited for new game, new game has less content than people expect and has a ton of bugs, people get mad, game gets patched and after a year people love the game, next game gets announced, repeat. 40k total war will not launch with more than 5 factions, there won't be any spaceship battles, it will be very buggy on launch and it will run like poop on anything but top of the line hardware. This is not speculation, it's a fact.

I hope they do the Tyranid Campaigns like the Battlefleet Gothica Armada II game did, where instead of hearing the Tyranids "talk" like in DoW II, we get the conversations of the other factions, reacting and planning to the Tyranids making progress, like they're the monster of a horror movie. Nids just work better that way. I don't want to hear the Swarmlord talk about how much it hates Space Marines or Deathleapers how much it likes to do death and leap. Let me be a proper cosmic horror and eat the map.

Here's a stellar idea: crowdfunding Berillio's Death Guard army

I can already imagine how Busted and Fun Trazyn Campaign would Be since there is no way he is not a legendary lord alongside Fabius bile and Cawl. Could do a pretty interesting DLC .

Knights/Chaos Knights I could picture as just big units sprinkled into the factions as almost Mercenary units. It would bring in the concept of Freeblades and then be more of a mainstay when Mechanicum become a faction. White Scars as a roaming DLC faction. Like the Celestine idea would be fun.

I just hope that GW won’t restrict their scheduling and faction selection too much, GW making business sense is like thinking how Ork vehicles work, no matter how you think it’ll work unless your an Ork, it will make no sense

Space Marines Chaos Orkz Eldar is the classic quad of 40k factions

35:54 I'll have to disagree, saint Celestine most likely will play out like the green knight, a legendary hero character that joins an army but doesn't lead it.

My idea for the map would be that each “continent” would be a planet, design wise, but then the “ocean” would be the void. So it’s still one map just different scale.

I have a feeling knights are definitely going to be tier 5 units for Ad mech

Some of my ideas: •Knights exist not as their own faction, but as high tier units accessible to the Imperium/chaos similar to giants and trolls for the greenskins and chaos factions in Total Warhammer •Custodes function similarly to Ogre mercenaries where they work as temporary extremely elite units for Imperial factions, but for a set amount of time and exorbitant cost •A “Heroes of the Imperium” faction, that is sort of like the Warriors of Chaos faction in Total Warhammer, where it is made up of Imperial legendary lords that don’t fit elsewhere, like Canis Rex, Trajan Valoris, and Inquisitor Eisenhorn

So, not exactly relevant, but might make a useful point of conparison: how a different company hamdled adapting 40k into an RTS a decade plus earlier. Relic's Dawn of War series. The first Dawn of War and it's expansions were done a similar way to how Total Warhammer and it's sequels work, with having previous expansions unlocked the factions added in them as playable in later expansions. The base game of Dawn of War had a linear campaign with only Space Marines being playable in campaign but with 4 factions featured and all of them being playable in multiplayer. The factions were Space Marines, Orks, Eldar, and Chaos Space Marines. The first expansion was Winter Assault that added IG. It also had a linear campaign with two playable paths. Order had you playing IG and Eldar, Disorder had you playing Orks and Chaos. The second expansion was Dark Crusade. It added T'au and Necrons and you could play as any of the available factions in campaign. It had a campaign that had a planet map where you could invade provinces and move your army around the map in a very simplified analogue to Total War. The final expansion was Soulstorm. It was notable for also being playable as a stand alone not requiring the base Dawn of War to play. It added Sisters and Dark Eldar. It also made the terrible mistake of adding aircraft in an engine that really did not support them. It had an expanded version of the Dark Crusade map campaign where you were fighting over an entire star system instead of just one planet.

Honey get up! A new poor hammer episode just dropped!

If I had to take a guess for how to handle Space Marine chapters, it'd probably be a good idea to break them down by army leaders. In Total Warhammer, it wasn't just the faction options, but also specific named characters you would pick from to modify army rules a bit. If they also included a couple unique unit options for each leader and then set unit textures specific to the leader's chapter, you could cover all the chapters without too much issue.

I remember launch TW:WH1 when you could only settle in your biome making it hell if you were empire trying to deal with greenskins or dwarfs

I hope they use Total40k to expand on the Exodites and maybe the Other Xenos factions, like the Rangdan ,Tau and the dog soldiers.

Just a bit of an add-on regarding the Total War series recap: as part of their “apology era” (as some fans put it), they are also reworking their latest historical game TW Pharaoh, which had piss-poor content at launch for the price being sold. With it, they’ll basically combine it with TW Troy, essentially doubling the content in all aspects, turning into what is essentially a Total War Bronze Age. I’m gonna wait a bit after this update to see if it will be worth the buy, but as someone who started the series with Rome 1, I very much want to jump back into the historical strategy of it so I’m truly hoping for the best here 🙏🏻

The Ogre intro song is legendary! Ogres the faction for the real Gamer Body!

I think it would be phenomally funny if they make the opening SM faction be Blood Ravens, then you make a Guilliman Legendary Leader for DLC

I don't think the map will be hard to figure out. They can do what Relic/Sega did with the first Dawn of War and make it easy to have a multi planet map along with incorporating numerous factions and not messing up any current lore. I think another option would be to do it on Armageddon. Starting factions would be Chaos, Orks, Guard, and Space Marines. I also think you may have been overthinking sub-factions/chapters. They kind of already do that with the current games. Depending on what leader you choose you can get an exclusive unit or 2 and faction wide boost. The only new variable would be reskinning the units based on which leader you choose. If you pick Logan Grimnar the Space Marines would be skinned as Space Wolves and you would get thunderwolf calvary and your Runepriest/Librarian would get a subfaction exclusive spell along with buffs for melee. I think you could easily do the same thing with a few of the guard variants. Cadians, Catachan, Krieg, Steel Legion, and Tallarn all have a few notable named characters. I will be interested to see how they do currency. The imperium could easily use generic "credits", but things like Tyranids, Necron, Chaos, Orks, Eldar, and basically all xenos armies (except maybe voltaan) don't use currency. They will need a mechanic to get biomass or something for Nids, and each of the other factions will need their own unique form of growing the army. Orks will probably just keep the waagh mechnic if I had to guess.

Chapters will be like heroes in TW:WH most likely. Pick a leader and that changes your chapter and unique units.

They won't have the different skins for each guard faction. They will probably do it like how they did the Skaven. Ikit Claw can recruit death runners, but he doesn't get some bonuses to them like Clan Eshin gets. The whole army will be small groups of flavor that they can all get if they want it.

I think the solution to the galaxy / planet issue is going to have to be multiple layers. You'll have planets, which might each have half a dozen settlements/battlefields, then systems, where you need to control multiple planets/asteroid belts/etc (regions in TWWH), then the galactic map. This would let you bring in new DLC characters in their own regions a way that makes sense for their individual campaign--"help Lion find his friends", "help the big angry green guy kill the big angry red guy", "the big angry green guy is fighting the big angry red guy, get them both in your pokeball". Each character would have a self-contained campaign map that make sense for that character, then mush them all together in the ME equivalent.

35:34 Sisters with Saint Celestine as the LL versus Word Bearers with Demon Lorgar as the LL.

There are no bad Poorhammer topics but this does feel like a particular treat!

Just imagine (if you will) An army Painter. You have generic options for space marine where you can color code your SM to the ones you want. So think of a Build a Faction. Can make your own SM and add your own buffs to customise it. Then any special characters slot in their own OR even add Special characters to your own faction

Quite literally just started a 3 hour drive, happy to see yall!

They could make a ton of random Xenos enemies that you encounter and then whenever they add Tau the Tau campaign can be all about joining these random xenos and even human settlements into the greater good

i hope they add more narrative stuff like the prologue form twwh3. The sandbox is fun and all but It is nice just having clear objective besides "conquer x"

If CA can even release this game and it not being a steaming pile of garbage for an entire year, it would be a miracle.

"The galaxy map will get boring" Meanwhile, Stellaris exists. Also you have the Cicatrix Maledictum and the warp, the map can be *wild.*

Battlefleet gothic style ship battles might be fun too at some point plus with the way GW is going at the moment I can't see them waiting until 3 to get the sisters in.

An alternative to a Galactic map would be something like moving between Continents in Empire Total War but replace Continents with planets

It will be set in a region of space known as The Cold Shoulder

I would love Gabriel Angelos and the rest of my Blood Ravens as a small DLC, it would be cool to see them come back

Perfect timing, I was just looking for something to listen to at work.

I could genuinely listen to this topic for hours on end. The way that I can just feel how my excitement at the prospect of a Warhammer 40k total war is mirrored by you guys only serves to make me even more hyped.

What I hope the map is like is that a planet is the province and you still fight on a galactic scale taking your forces across planets because then you can get that feel of being Guilliman, abbadon, etc leading a faction to victory

Calling it right now "Angels of Death" as a big show up for 40k 2: Dark Angels(Lion and Azrael), Blood Angels(Dante and Mephiston), Death Guard (Mortarion and Typhus) & Necrons (Silent King and Imotekh) with World Eaters (Angron & Kharn) as pre-order.

For the map layout its already kind of done for them, the galactic map is always talked about in lore as a 2D plan. As for location, the great rift already has the galaxy nicely split between possible focus points, which can then be stitched together like immortal empires.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they go the Gladius/DoW III route with Knights and just make them units within Chaos/Imperium rosters.

Didn't Empire Total war effectively had 3 maps (Europe, NA, India), connected to each other through seas? You can easily scale that idea for 40k for entire solar system with several planets, moons and planetoids, although making it bigger becomes problematic (good luck warp jumping between systems when daemons are a playable faction).

I think it'd be neat to have like planet -> system -> sub-sector -> sector. And just cap it at that. Where in the galaxy is the sector? Uncertain. But just to show how *massive* just a tiny section of the galaxy is to properly show the horrific scale we're working with in 40k. 45:57

I think you can make the first one a planet, the second one a system where you can travel between a few planets, and the third one a segmentum where you can travel between systems. That way you can have different factions and subfactions starting in very different situations with different resources and enemies.

IMO I don’t think genestealers could make it as a whole faction themselves. Given the scale of 40k I have doubts that a game with potentially all these different factions could have a conflict on just one planet. Genestealer cults would however work extremely well as a mechanic for the nids. Something along the lines of how the skaven undercities work, you could send a genestealer to a location and establish a cult, later causing an uprising that could spawn cultist units.

Love this epidsode! you guys are getting me hyped for this game!

it may be the IG as the 4th faction. the stem tank has directional armor and the ironsides where originally going to get volley guns they function like how guardsmen and a IG tank would work in game

I think that they might implement Elder Webgates as a way to do Travel between planets. With this they could introduce a new planet with each game and then connect them with their version of “mortal realms”. Great video again!

30:00 you can do similarly to how they do for the Empire, give release a Krieg Legendary Lord, for example, with 2~4 Krieg units and have that lord buff them. Guard is supposed to be mixed arms anyway.

If you put SM, CSM, and Daemons all into 1 "Faction/Army/etc" and add the flavors as DLC, you get roughly 15 factions plus Knights, (Sisters, Guard, Ad Mech, Custodes, Space Marines, CSM, Daemons, Votann, Necrons, Eldar, DEldar, Tau, GSC, Orks, Nids) so you could put the bones together at 5 factions per game. What order though? Well, SM & CSM are locks for 1, Orks is a pretty safe bet. I feel IG are a safe bet because of the WW1 game and Daemons are mostly done already, so that's an easy call.

You can also look at the 40k Gladius game for faction release order ideas

Great wpisode of the podcast!

Consider: Knights reps as part of AdMech and as part of a Vashtorr chaos DLC faction That way you don't need the entire army to be them necessarily and they can act more like big guy support unless you actively choose to run only them

Good stuff, fingers crossed it all comes true.

Great episode, love the total Warhammer content

Reminder about the blue bussy steak. But for the map, you can do a stelaris style map where planets are like Provences (take the cities on the planet) and an extra bonus for a system. Either that or each planet is a city equivalent and a system is a Provence

I could see if Fulgrim has a good launch having him as a box lord for Guilliman to go against.

Since this is a Total war game. They can absolutely bring in all of the Primarchs into the game. It doesn't have to represent what is only on the tabletop An April 1st Joke would be to add the Emperor leading the Custodians DLC

it might be more like a galaxy level attilla game though, with small planet maps and needing to uplift, space battles (boarding probably), warp shift like the underway but a range on how many turns it takes to get to another place. i can see the imperium being really big and some clusters of enemies. then add in other subspace stuff like the eye, webway, commoragh etc. nids as a fleet based horde faction probably. if they add factions as npc ones first (guard/cultists for example) they can flesh them out as they go as dlc, spread the development time around a little.

For Space Marines, I want to believe it will be grouped together as "Loyalists" and the roster will be divided into specialized roles, where you have the tanky shielded siege units are the Imperial Fists, fast-moving best-for-flanking units be the White Scars, Stalk and Sniping units be the Ravenguard, etc. Other more standalone chapters can still be similar with the base Space Marine faction with a few unique units but can then also have a unique campaign mechanic to balance it out maybe. Another thing would be if the cannon fodder infantry for Space Marines would be basic Imperial Guard troops, but then we can have a Legendary Lord whose subfaction specializes more on Imperial Guard with their own unique Imperial Guard units (much like comparing campaign mechanics between Kroq-gar with Tehenhauin).

I just imagin an employee at creative assembly is a fan of poorhammer, the saw what this video was about, and grabbed a pad and pen and began writing EVERYTHING down

Galaxy map would be a must have for games 2 & 3. It's also how I reckon an AoS Total war could be done, multiple realms, each realm is being fought over by different factions or subfactions and in a massive mortal empires style map they can venture to other realms to conquer them too.

i honestly thought about how the Necrons dynasties could be implimented. As they could have certain mechanics/style of tiering of their units akin to the tomb kings. As the Necron tombs like any tomb king settlement is burried and slowly overtime they reawaken to full strength. their lords being rather powerfull and have a trait like with the undead, as a necron (as far as i know) dosen't seem to flee from combat or show any sign of fear, so Necrons would just be unaffected by fear and terror but start to crumble if their leadership gets too low. Their lords and heroes could should be rather powerful and could be recruited through the use of a "Reawakening protocol", as the lord and hero takes several turns to recruit and costs more but is also gonna be pretty powerful. As the protocol is kinda like with the Kislev ice witch recruitments of there being choices, however i kinda wanna imagine those choices being more then just having 2 options. However the traits that you chose could be the former "life" of the necron, as necrons tend to list their glorious deeds. like a Necron lord who was a good city administrator and helped expand their cities (traits that are more like buffing your homeland and help speed up the advancement of cities) or a lord who was more of a warrior. a core part of their mechanic could be "Necrodermis: 0.10% health regen, heals injured units before ressurecting dead ones", a just passive effect, as the lowest form of necron or construct is built with this trait. so it would kinda mean that fighting them, you then gotta focus down units or end up the entire unit being healed back to full health with fully restored models like a Vampire count army that can replenish their model count during combat to just help the slug fest. Their Lord list could be Overlord: the generic and kinda function like a martial lord with army buffing capabilities and commanding, with ressurection orbs and commands. some kind of destroyer (i am not so into the lore about if they are actual army leaders who are destroyers) Crypteks (lord variant) with their assorted "magic" Heros Lord: like an empire captain and warrior priest or "mini overlord" that is about buffing your armies helps keeping up their moral in combat with their own ressurection orbs or who knows what kind of equipment they could have. Destroyer lord: melee focused combative unit that is meant to fight and kill like an Exalted champion (but permanently on a horse/chariot due to well it is a destroyer Warden (idk what their exact role is or where to place them, but they could be added somewhere) Cryptek: like the lords but just as heroes and filling out the role of spellcasters for the necron army but it could work more like with the dwarves in that necron magic could be more like the dwarves some of their units could be Scarabs: a swarm unit like nurglings, as these scarabs are low tier and can soak up alot of damage as they can tie up units, as not only are they fast, but they are also durable and hard to hit. Warriors: the standart hybrid infantry unit, as they do have a solid armor value and health pool with a lower amount of models pr. unit with a fair amount of model health. They are slow and aren't slouches in melee combat and can fire while moveing. (i am not sure if necron warriors can run, cause all i see them do is that rather menaceing terminator walk). Immortals: actual ranged units with solid aim. Lych guard, melee infantry, just outright tough and immensly durable with missile block chances and just able to get stuck in melee and who knows if they could all have the "guardian" skill that buffs the resistances of nearby heroes (as if i remember correctly Lych guards are bodyguards of lords and overlords) deathmarks: just like with the skaven sniper weapons teams just fewer in number and got the roles of killing characters or picking off high armored targets like a space marine from very long distances. Flayed ones: a sort of anti-infantry unit that has stalk and could have a sort of scaleing damage as they fight along with a "discourage" modifiere on their melee attacks as they are rather terrorfying but warmachines i am not so strong on. but all of this is just me spitballing idears of how the necrons could work a faction who gets really powerful the longer you don't deal with them, as their late game units are just insane and even just the average necron warrior is just a solid lower tier unit that is not a construct but can be solid as a Doomstack early on to conqure new lands. As their cities go through their awakening protocols and who knows, they could have a mechanic akin to skaven, that the necrons could uses excess "gold", to just awaken newly conqured cities at a higher level (but it being really expensive and only really a lategame thing to help stabalized and keep newly conqured lands safer).

I wonder if they'll have some mechanic with shifting warp routes or warp weather once they go with space stuff? We think of the imperium of containing an entire territory it claims but realistically its more like a chain of planets. I bet theyre going to either do warzone vigilus or theyll have one of the opening battles of guilliman crossing the rift, with guilliman and calgar as options for SM lords.

50:27 holy heck! that surprised me. I am from Kreuznach. aka Bad Kreuznach after 1924.

Definitely one of my favorites. Couple thoughts: for Guard you could just have Cadian be the bog-standard (like they are on the tabletop), and then have specialized units from other armies, like vostroyans, mordians, tallarn, and the like. You could do the same for Marines. Ultramarines are your bog standards, but you add specialized units from other chapters. Ultramarine Tactical marines, but then add some White Scars bikers, Dark Angels plasma squad, Imperial Fist Devastators, and so on. I'm not a game designer, foremost, so this is just the way I'd see it working.

The multi maps/planets would be awesome. Reminds me of Empire and the different areas/theaters that would be generated.

Really enjoyed this episode. If you wanted to do another Total War episode about AoS/Oldworld I'd be so down

Personally for the ad mech I think it’d be neat to have to hunt for STC’s and those give major long term buffs

I do hope it goes bigger than planet level. Like, multiple forces fighting over a key system would be great. But that's honestly my biggest complaint of Gladius is that we are stuck in the same biome on every map.

People have made several discussion videos on making the perfect total war 40k game but honestly its been perfected already. Just do what the Dawn of War series did (Mostlt talking about 1 and its standalones, i know the fanbase is split on the game mechanics of 2 and especially 3). The Dawn of War formula works perfectly in replicating the Table top experience of 40k. I am in the camp of 40k not really working with the TW engine. Note that im talking about the battles itself, in terms of grand campaign with a large world map to conquer then yes TW is perfect but for the actual battles itself, it doesnt work with the skirmish style gameplay that is reminscent of 1-2k point battles of warhammer in any edition (10e or otherwise). Though if they do scale it up to epic 40k or armageddon style of play then maybe but it is not the most well known type of game that people know of 40k

So hype for the imperator titan doom stack

I think having planets be zones and space between sort of how Star Wars Empire at War did it. would be awesome

I feel like different games will have different warzones, so the first one with guilliman and Abaddon could be vigilus or something, and then mortal empires connects them. Terra could be like the oak of ages thats a win condition but you don't really interact with it or something. I also think each planet should be like a province with a few settlements on each, so like a fortress, a hive city and some industry.

I think for a galaxy map, they might want to do a Star Wars Empire at War style galaxy where you can have between a huge map with lots of planets and a tiny one with a few planets depending on what the players want. That would probably be a third game thing, as they should build out before jumping into a galaxy wide map. If I was developing I would have the first game be the Terra side of the Galaxy and the second game the Imperium Nihilus side of the galaxy and the third brings the two together. But I am just spitballing.

It took my seven days to watch the last video, I just finish it, and see that the new video has been released! Heck yeah.

You talked about the celestine faction jumping around but what about trazyn having a campaign like rakarth where he has to travel around the galaxy collecting people and things for his galaries

I can't believe you guys had this entire discussion and never mention Dawn of War. There is a lot of precedent on how to introduce tons of factions into a RTS game with that game.

I would absolutely love a space hulk mini campaign like they did with Todbringer in TWW1!! Lots of potential for small scale stuff

For all the guard subfactions: Sure does sound like regiments of reknown to me. Just nice reskins with some stats changes.

I would say playing in the Maccrage sector with guilliman and marneus, yvraine and some eldar lord (I don’t know eldar lore), the death guard (for lore reasons) or black legion (for poster boys) with the obvious lords and guard for example with Ursula and solar would be a good way to use each faction poster boys and use a known map

With the amount of lore in 40k you could add so much more and focus. You could do a necron campaign, add a horus heresy dlc, creat unique movement mechanic for each faction depening on if they use wrap or webway, do space and planetary battles.

There will probably be Aeldari too, those were the original 4 factions in Dawn of War. As for chapters, it will probably be a SM faction and different chapters for Legendary Lords. As for the Primarch for 3rd game, Leman Russ might be it not only for the reasons in the video but as an equivalent to Boris Ursus from warhammer 3

Cody Bonds has a video about this with a pretty good argument about Ultrasmurfs and Imperial Fist vs Abby and Ghaz being first.

genestealer cults might be integrated as a mechanic for tyranids? maybe theyll even get into epic scale with titans and stuff

Nids will be Swarmlord and a Norn Queen of some variety. Old one eye and the like are legendary heroes and regiments of reknown almost for sure. Generic lords are going to being hive tyrants and patriarchs etc.

In the setting there are thing like Titan where there is a gas giant with several occupied moons so you could have a mid ground with multiple planets close together. Tbh what you are describing seems very close to the dawn of war campaign maps though. Dark crusade was one planet 7 factions then Soulstorm was 4 with 9. Would be a bit weird jumping from that to something like Stellaris though for immortal empires. Also would feel a bit weird having one battle decide a planet which would probably be necessary for galaxy wide.

Tbh with how similar space marines are just with reskins I could see nearly all the major legions/chapters being in the first game or two

I've heard one youtuber argue that primarchs(both Traitor and Loyalist) should be unlocks a bit into the campaign(similarly to Lord Kroak, the Green Knight, Gotrek and Felix, etc. in Total War Warhammer). So with the Word Bearers your starting lord is Erebus, and then you can unlock Lorgar. And with the Ultramarines your starting lord is Marneus Calgar, and then you can unlock Roboute Guilliman.

Please do more Total War content! As someone who loved playing the games growing up and just now getting into TW: WH 1 due to Old World coming out this is a great crossing of interests

I tried to get into TW3:WH and quite enjoyed my time with it, but I quickly fell off it due to learning curve frustration, option overload, and the sheer technicality of it all. That being said I love RTS and 4X games like Civ and Xcom, so I know there's a place in my brain to click with it. I just haven't found it yet. Maybe translating it into 40k first would help since I dont know much about fantasy warhammer, but I'd also like to be sold a little more on what is worth appreciating in the game more. Hoping this video and friendly commenters can shed some light on that for me.

If Custodes becomes an actual playable faction then I demand absolute mad lass Kaladace Truvolya Kesh as a Legendary Lord with mechanics based around being absolutely unhinged!

my first thought regarding what factions will be when/where. Tombkings & Admech as the 'main' factions in the 2nd installment. Kinda how Skaven and Elves were the big ones in TWW

My idea to go about the map would just be to make the Maps for each Planet Smaller. Lets say, fully zoomed out you got 6 "Planets" - and each planet, if you zoom in is a map roughly the size of a single continent in immortal Empires right now. (Like - North/ South America, Africa, Ulthuan, Europe, Asia) On each Planet there are some factions -and then (Similar to the "High Seas / Underway) traveling mechanic - you can then travel to a diffrent planet - assuming to take certain cities on each map - marking the map edge - because these cities are the only ones with enough room for a space port. (Then throw in special travelling mechanics for Necrons / Eldar because of Teleportation / Webway , and we can call it a day)