the cancellation of firefly was a political decision. just like defiance.

The obstacle now is Whedon himself, Gorramit... 🤦

@@itsMe_TheHerpes At least Defiance had an ending.

Jericho could also have continued on TV, if they had the balls.

I don't think they missed, I say it's the best they could do with what they got. To try to tie up everything in a two hour movie wasn't going to happen. You have back stories missed on the crew, reavers, the alliance, independents, the killers hunting River, blue sun's, organize crime factions, working class civilians, wealthy citizens, slaves, the old earth and how and who used it up and on and on. I wish for all this and more the lore is so massive, but happy with what I got. Maybe a streeming service will reboot it and have more success. Then the crazies questions of all are who plays are favorite crew lol, just my opinion.

Well said, I second that motion

Amen, brother. Well said.

Make that nearly 20 years! It aired in 2002 I think. Crazy.

Wait. What?

While i only "heard' of the show after cancellation, I actually bought the DVD on a whim.....Then I forgot about it....So one night I was digging through my DVDS and I found Serenity....I watched it and was amazed how good the movie was. While there was some lacking in back stories, I thoroughly enjoyed all the characters.The actors I recognized were in different TV shows and movies made the movie much better, I still watch the movie several times a year...4-8 times...I'd wish for another movie....and hope for it.

Touchstone touch maybe

Wait until Kathleen is gone before bringing up Firefly. Otherwise we will get a shot for shot remake of the show with unlikable wooden performances and egos the size of planets.

@@whollymindless And not a straight white male in sight.

young and edgy cast, and no more of the silly space and ship and western stuff

eeew, i will stop watching if those evil people get their crappy claws into this show. walt disney is rolling over in his grave watching what has been done to him.

LoL yea man Don't forget the Crazy Uncle/MAD Dad And Little Sister that needs her meds to keep her feet ON the Ground😜😜😜😵🙈🙉🙊

Aside from 'the whore', Serenity's crew was a fun bunch. There was so much more to do with them.

GoT series 8 eh !

@@richardbradley2335 Blame George. D&D & HBO were contractually obligated to get to George’s ending. And if you’ve read the books, you know George has always been more about the surprise twist than staying true to the characters as written. Thankfully, Ty Franck, one half of James S. A. Corey who wrote The Expanse books, (and is GRRM’s former assistant), and his writing partner Daniel Abraham, are not married to The Twist, and so far, their characters have stayed true to themselves & circumstances. Sure, D&D&B had to cut all the red herring plot lines for budget and story purposes, and I personally, considering I work in the industry and know how things get done (or in most cases don’t), worked miracles with those bookies, especially the hot mess books 4 & 5 turned into because George doubled the cast both times to distract from everyone figuring out who Jon Snow was because he put that info in the first book, and that they were only going off of George’s outline for books 6 & 7 (which I don’t believe we’ll ever see.) If you’ve not watched the Expanse, do so. But be patient. There are three sets of characters that need to be established before they can converge, which takes a bit of time. But it’s as good as Firefly and BSG when it finally reaches the top of the roller coaster and turns into TV Crack. 🤓

@@talismanb6449 If I would name one strength of Martin's writing is that he stays true to his character's personalities even with his twists - something I can't sadly say about the TV series after it had no source material left. And yes: The books 4 & 5 needed a rework for the series - but I wouldn't consider it a miracle with things like the Dorne storyline (if you don't want it in simply don't use it!) or the events around Arya. And no: Even Martin himself seems to have no clear idea in mind how the book series will end (besides that there will be a King Bran) so I think it has more to do with the issue that the showrunners needed to improvise on a vague outline.

*cough* Star Trek *cough* :)

@@JDGennTAS got two seasons; TOS and DSC both got three seasons; ENT got four. TNG, DS9 and VOY all got the full seven. Firefly got axed in the middle of its first season. All things considered, Trekkers have fared rather better than Browncoats.

I see what you did there...

You win. Everything.

I love it when Firefly fans do that!! Matt Dowds for President!!😍

I wish i had thought of that. Most excellent!

"Oh, God the terror! _Oh dear God in heaven!"_

It hurts more when you find out they had another 5 or 6 seasons planned out. But there is about 17 years worth of comics already out and a current series going on right now so at least we have that

@@hamburgerdog25 6 seasons and a movie!

The characters were so unique. I liked hem all, they had personality faults yet still very lovable.

ABSOFUKINLUTELY

Same, glad they made that episode particularly

There was a run of flawless episodes: Jaynestown, Out of Gas, Ariel, and War Stories. Those four together just ruins almost all TV for me.

You're right. I'm just happy Amazon saved The Expanse.

@@Texas240 I love the expanse! One of the few series (outside Anime) that I have kept up to date on

@@Texas240 And Netflix saved Lucifer.

@@frankgesuele6298 - I had to drop Netflix after they removed user reviews due to "the feature not being used." Not used?? Everyone uses reviews. How else are people supposed to know if something they haven't heard of is interesting to them. It was some BS about certain movies receiving bad reviews that feminists and SJWs were championing (propaganda, basically). I kept finding reviews on Amazon when I was Googling, so just switched to that instead. My personal limit on streaming services for movies/TV and music is one each. If flix is saving mishandled things, good for them. However, you can keep flix. Every now and then, I receive a "come back now" email. It's funny that not when I canceled nor in any of these emails do they have a questionnaire about why I canceled in the first place. Netflix is a terrible company pushing feminist and SJW propaganda. That's just not the service for me!

4. At best.

Or a place in *the SPECIAL hell* ?

A special place on hell for all the really good shows they have canceled.

With child abusers and those who talk in the theater.

@@h.c.49 Isn't that... Special ?

@@DerOberfeldwebel it's one of Shepard Book's lines.

You might also enjoy Whedon's "Dollhouse" as well - if you can find it. Ran two seasons.

Yes, when you realize how many shows they've killed on Friday nights, at some point they have to realize they need to lower their expectations for viewing on certain nights. Firefly was the big one they let get away for sure.

@@ThePopcast It wasn't just on Fridays, they were cancelling new shows left and right every day of the week. I've always felt that Fox got spoiled with the success of The Simpsons and X-Files and that any show that didn't hit those kinds of numbers right off the bat were canceled. They didn't want to take the time to let their shows find their legs and audience, they just wanted instant hits.

@@ThePopcast I really don't understand the thinking behind a lot of what the networks do. Do you remember the show 'Flash Forward', which I think was on NBC maybe 10 years ago? Lately a lot of shows are splitting up their seasons... show the first half several weeks in a row, and then come back 3 or 4 months later and finish the season. "Join us in February, and find out what happens"... yeah right. They get away with it when a show is a runaway hit like The Walking Dead, but with a lot of shows it kills their momentum and they never recover. Flash Forward had an interesting premise and a great cast, but it never recovered its ratings after the 'break', and they canceled it after the first season ended on a cliffhanger. Super frustrating when you get all invested in a show, and then it gets canceled because of their ineptitude.

@@Riceball01 Yep. I think that was _exactly_ their problem. I've always thought that if I were a creator with a show to bring to audiences, I would get down on my knees and pray to the gods of television that my series got bought by _any_ other network than Fox, because if they get it, and it doesn't take off like a rocket, it's doomed. Even when they didn't cancel shows outright after the first season, like they did with Firefly (or John Doe, another really interesting series they axed after I'd gotten invested in the story), then in pursuit of those magic numbers, they invariably meddled with the shows in ways that made the second season worse and killed any chance of success, like with Dark Angel or Human Target, for example.

Everything owned by Rupert Murdoch is a disappointment.

Agreed Jerry Renn, one of my kids bought the box set for my birthday 2011, instant fan. Then zip, it's gone and I'm sure tainted by the almost anti-fan handling by fox. I also think it's death was political 100%. Firefly was born too late, With the little guy thumbing his nose at the man it would not surprise me to learn someone on capital hill said no no no wrong message fox. Look you can kill the show and here have this money, why not we're the government we print money around here... Or you can be a hard head and off the air this time next year, it's your call. Think about it, when was the last time you saw anything from Orson Wells let alone 1984?

@@johnkiss8804 It wouldn't surprise me at all. Thanks for the insight.

That sounds amost exactly like my story

Same here. I saw Serenity first and really liked it. I told a friend who also likes sci-fi type things about it. He asked if I liked Firefly and I was like, "What's that?" and he told everything. I watched Firefly, and same as you, I liked the movie more after seeing the series. I first saw Serenity in 2008, also.

I also didn't know about the show until after the movie. And, I didn't know about the movie until streaming was a thing. Marketing was simply terrible.

Theres about 17 years worth of seversl comic runs for Firefly. Some of them take place before the movie, some after. Some of them tell backstories like for Shepherd Book and Ma Reynolds (Mal's mother). I would suggest catching up on those

@@hamburgerdog25 I was just going to recommend these Firefly comics. Some decent fill in for backstories and good adventures.

To this day, I tell the uninitiated that like most of FIrefly's fans, I only discovered it long after it had been cancelled.

Totally agree. 55

Totally agree 49

60, and I agree, too. It had all the elements of an engaging show.

I'm 46 and I totally agree. The only show that began to get in the same arena was, IMO, Farscape. The writing wasn't at the same level and the main character was poorly cast, but it was gritty and incredibly fun. And it had several seasons to flesh everything out. I can't imagine how Firefly would have dominated had it had time to show off Joss Whedon's genius!

cant stop the feed baby!

@@ThePopcast "ain't no power in the verse that can stop me............."

Goram right

@@erikskole7669 I always wondered about that line. Kaylee said it to River when she got her apple back.. but when River said it back to Kaylee after saving her life, all of a sudden it's scary? That's gratitude for ya, I guess..

@@flappy7373 well she did say it just after doing a no look triple kill from one quick peek around the corner. I can see how that would creep some people out.

Yeah, that was weird at the time.

Yeah.... like execs know what the people want.... idiots.... joss was a proven success with buffy and angel.... never fold... never give in... or you will always regret compromising your integrity

It also kept bouncing around the schedule. You never knew when it was going to be on. This was only a couple of years after the first DVRs came out.

Charlene C that surely didn’t help. Moving shows around or preempting them is a killer, and that is done on purpose. I wonder if they tried to sabotage the show. Maybe they thought it was too much money to make like the original Battlestar Galactica and got scared? Firefly wasn’t the greatest show ever, but it was really very good with a massive amount of potential. It never was even given a chance.

It's probably a case of trying to remember which one of the little girls who did that..

or: i'll be in my bunk

you know what the chain of command is?

I quote that surprisingly frequently.

@@Verschal Jane had the best fucking comedic timing lol

I am a leaf on the wind..watch how I crash and burn!😁

Definitely was not a good move.

By now, you'ld think EVERYONE in movie land would know that killing off beloved characters in completely pointless ways is a recipe for a flop. Remember Aliens 3?

Well, at least not after event from the movie. But they could do a show with event before the movie though where Wash and Book still is alive.

@@ErinPipes76 But this is Joss Whedon we're talking about, the king of killing off beloved characters.

But their tiny little brains can see greatness like "The Masked Singer" and "I Can Hear You Sing" done for pennies and entertaining the tiny brained. Some of the worst programming people in charge. I usd to watch on Sundays for the animated series but come fall all that goes to hell because of freaking football. I just gave up on Fox. It's not even an alternative anymore.

Philistines

No, they really really didn't understand what they had at all. It was a great idea. It had great writing. And it had some f'ing awesome actors really bringing the characters to life. There's a reason why so many of the actors continued to have great careers, and the they had them all there, together, with their hearts on their sleeves. And with bigger budgets for future seasons? OMFG! Firefly would have been unstoppable. So, they stopped it. Totally ridiculous. Epic fail.

I think they did, and realised it after they bought the first package. Firefly is an Asa Carter style story (Outlaw Josey Wales...), Jesse James, and The Undefeated. It was a neo-Confederate metaphor. That can make some great conflict and story telling, but after 1965, Hollywood mostly rejected those scripts on TV and after 1975 in movies. The Union is the Pinkertons and the Reconstruction feds. The cast is trying to start over in the frontier rim (the west). The union is shown as evil. The self directed crew is shown as hunted, but the better moral examples. I think the network mixed up the episodes on purpose so viewers, or more likely their liberal bosses, wouldn't catch on.

@@STho205 Don't think so. As the one who cancelled it regrets cancelling it. They set it up to fail, and it still had better ratings than some current shows and even shows on other networks at the time, just not as big of numbers as older well established shows for mass market. They compared it to the wrong market.

I had a similar experience. I had no idea about the show and my friends ended up taking me to what must've been a pre- screening in May 2005, because that's I remember seeing the movie. After watching I saw reruns on sci-fi that summer, I decided that I needed to see the whole show. I finally found it on DVD in December of 2005 and watched it all. After that, I was hooked. I bought all kinds of merchandise and comics that continue the story. I even bought books about the show written by both fans and industry professionals. Firefly is a perfectly put together show and it's sad what happened to it, due to the meddling of people in charge who didn't know how to handle it. That's why Firefly is so special to fans; we love all of it for what it is, not what it can be. Also, we consume every tangible piece of material about it because we know that it could stop at any moment. I could forget everything else I've ever watched or read but Firefly and Serenity will stay in my heart forever. All of this is coming from a dude who was 19 when he saw the movie in theaters back in 05, it's THAT powerful.

My experience was different too. I had never heard of Firefly (now pretty much my favourite show ever), as it was on pay tv in Australia. I got sent to review Serenity and was mildly curious why the screening room, which seated about 40 people, was so full it had people sitting on the steps. I'd never seen that before. I was also confused why some were so upset when a character died. Yes, it was sad, but they seemed to have this huge attachment to the character, which didn't make all that much sense to me. I thought maybe they were just really sensitive. It was only after watching the series and falling in love with it that I got it. My big regret is seeing the movie before the series, because although entertaining on its own, it is the culmination of story-arcs, for River, in particular, and is quite a spoiler. It takes away all the mystery building up about her in the tv series. To the newcomer, Inara and Book also just seem like convenient new characters thrown up from nowhere.

I'm a newer fan as of a few months ago. I had already heard a lot of Firely but I think the first time I had heard of it was within the fanbase of the video games Destiny and Destiny 2, because Nathan Fillion (Malcolm Reynolds) and Gina Torres (Zoe Washburn) star in those games as two of the main characters that sort of work with and guide the player. If you don't know anything about it you should really see the Cayde-6 promos for those games. Cayde being the character portrayed by Nathan. So I finally picked up the show on Hulu and I was instantly in love with it. After I finished it I went around the Firefly fanbase mostly on youtube and I came across this reccurring mentioning a movie called Serenity. So I naturally assumed they were talking about the first episode of the show, Serenity, which was something like and hour and half long (about the typical length of a movie). Then I saw those comments talking about things I hadn't seen in the show. Fast forward a few Google searches later and I now find out there is a movie called Serenity as well. I was lucky enough to catch it on Peacock before it fell of the face of the streaming world. I mean its still availble to rent or buy but I'm not the one with money for renting or buying, so. And then fast all the way forward to our last free comicbook day as I'm strolling around one of my local comic shops when I stumble upon a book with a very familiar cover. Turns out that not only are they running a Firefly comic series right now, but they've done multiple series' for the past 17 or so years. They have runs about times before the movie, after the movie, Shepherd Book's story, they even have a story about Malcolm's mother, The Outlaw Ma Reynolds. I would heavily suggest catching up on those if you can

Rest in Power Wash. You were a leaf on the wind.

😭

No other show franchise or series ..other than GoT would have had the guts to do that. We all expected a standard happy ending one second before that. And it broke the hearts of every single firefly fan

Damn.. it's been 15yrs and even saying "I am a leaf on the wind." Brings tears to my eyes.. those characters are some of the best ever put to film.

I remember thinking, at that moment, that they were going to kill off every member of the cast before the end of the movie.

He is very much like Amos from the Expanse, actually.

Detective Slaughter 🤣.

Yeah! Adam really made the character. I think the airlock scene really showed who he was when he asked Mal to make something up and not tell the others what he did.

Sigh. Kaylee really encapsulated the Pandemic, didn’t she? :(

Don't let Disney ruin what little greatness Firefly is.

Damn that mouse 😡

My sentiments precisely. The Rat has ruined enough. One perfect season is plenty

New star trek is a political shit show. It pleases femists, gays and statists. I guess that's the real reason.

@@KrzysztofDerecki You've clearly never watched any other Star Trek shows. Also, anyone who phrases their response to imply that people who are gay or who are feminist are bad probably should reevaluate their life choices.

@@Nevets1073 I watched all ST series, TNG is my fav, second VOY, so... you are wrong. I did not imply gay or feminist are bad, you did. Again wrong. New ST series looks just like this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n5aUqdlly7rNoXU.html and I'm the guy in audience.

The big issue I'm seeing here is context and understanding. Star trek of the 60s and 70s and 80s and 90s and early 2000s had a way of making the "support of LGBT, women's rights, anti racist" perspectives did so in a mostly "these issues were resolved over a hundred years ago" way, and not so "throw it all in your face because we have to make you remember all these issues exist" instead of progressing story. I'm all for support of LGBT and ridding the world of bigotry etc, but it shouldn't be the story of star trek, as star trek is about what's next, after the thing that is being dealt with after the thing that was dealt with after these issues modern tv is trying so hard to talk about... Shows like doctor who and star trek don't need to be someone's megaphone or soapbox , but rather, a demonstration that such issues can be a thing of the past, all but forgotten. When racism is shown in star trek, the characters should be reacting with confusion and almost disgust , not with a march and trumpet call to arms.

And made money. People who think its not about money lol

Agreed. I saw the intro once never having even heard of it, rolled my eyes and changed channel. It wasnt until after it was canned I even heard it mentioned. Watched the movie, fell in love and bought the DVD's and spent the next year forcing it on all my friends and family who had also never heard of it.

Like almost every show in 2019 on, there are too many political opinions in them. The show would be lost from the start, but a good idea.

It's the exact same thing that happened to Picard and Discovery, they lost the soul of Star Trek by chasing the ideals of today.

There was a bid to do an animated Firefly series. That kind of show could still be pretty great.

@@michaelwolf8690 if they stay true to the original. Don't think I will hold my breath, the woke does not want to die yet.

@@michaelwolf8690 I guess, but me personally wouldn't be interested in animation or comic books.

This and Babylon 5 sequel Crusader were deliberately killed by their respective broadcasting networks using similar methods (wrong order of episodes, tampering with scripts and bad airing times) for unknown reasons.

awfully fancy ways to say the word whore in the future, i guess ;D

@@flappy7373 it still isn't work in the future either.

I'm with ya. Saw the movie pop up on Netflix then later the series was suggested. Do you know how disappointed I was to find out there wasn't more.

Imo the oly flaw of the movie is the mishandling of inara. She was one of my favs in the show and she was o ly in the movie bc whe had to be

That's basically it. He knew it was a swan song. Fox burned the show and so it couldn't be given a proper ending. The movie was the ending the show didn't get.

I entirely agree and seriously wash‘s death had a huge i pact on me and i hadn‘t even seen the show. This made the stakes in the final battle so much higher.

The thing that always annoyed me about whedon was when he came out and said someone needed to die to up the stakes.like wash dying made us realize our favorite character could die. Like they couldn't do that through acting.

And now that my favorite character was dead do I still care?

​@@mdjouster If you had nine friends, but your best friend among them died, would that make you care less about the other eight?

Firefly stands head and shoulders above ANY of the current shows. Such a shame Fox canned it far too early.

@@BoingBB the expanse enters the chat

@@LilNewo Oh yeah, I quite like that. Still prefer Firefly though.

@@LilNewo The Expanse took three seasons to get to where Firefly was at from the first episode. Then Amazon shat all over it with their cost cutting. Season 4 was boring and took place almost entirely without space scenes. I couldn't even watch the final season.

Maybe Fox just didn't like Summer Glau as she was in Sarah Connor Chronicles and Firefly

They also managed to repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by cancelling Babylon 5 before the story arc had time to finish, ended up getting badly crammed into 4 seasons instead of 5, then getting a surprise 5th season that the creators didn't know what to do with.

New Amsterdam

@@Dosbomber B5 was under WB.

@@relik0fages Fox hated Sci-Fi even though it brought in huge viewership.

Jewel eating that strawberry... Mmmmm

Morena Baccarin my GOD she was smokin hot! Just started rewatching the show and was blown away!

@@bdb1052 The face of a goddess...yum yum.

@@mikedrop4421 Jewel Staite's existence reinvigorated my interest in Stargate: Atlantis.

Christina Hendricks was in 3 episodes and Melinda Clarke (Lady Heather CSI) guest stars in one episode. Hotties both!!

I can't even imagine how much the heads at Fox must have been kicking themselves when the realization finally dawned on them on just how badly they screwed up this goldmine. Though the fact that they didn't try to reboot suggests maybe they were too stupid to even come to that realization.

@@justsomeperson5110 - "Though the fact that they didn't try to reboot suggests maybe they were too stupid to even come to that realization."

@@rodjacksonx Personally I feel like it would be a mistake to try and reboot Firefly. the original cast are all too old and tbh I can't really see anyone else doing these roles. The writing and worldbuilding are good, but what made the show great was the cast.

@@lamaface - Oh, I agree. It's definitely too late now, the magic is gone. But they had ample time to do it, even for a short while after Serenity. They just couldn't see it (and IMO, they personally didn't like it. Sounds stupid for someone to not sell something just because they don't personally like it, but I've seen it before.)

The CW understands cult followings. Go have a look at their show lineup. Many keep going and going and going...!

Its actually not a single take :P They were just very sneaky with their cuts. Similar to the techniques they used for the recent WW1 film "1917" Its still an amazing sequence though.

@@doom222 WHAAAAT!?!?!? I was told by my film professor that it was one long take and that they worked extremely hard for it lolllllll. I mean I can see where a cut would be, but thought there wasn't one because of what she said. WELL THAT FILM CLASS WAS POINTLESS THEN!?!? Haha jk it was still a cool class. Ya broke my heart though hahaha

It's well over ten years since I watched this movie, but I'm pretty sure the DVD has a Joss Whedon commentary in which he describes the scene traversing the interior of the ship or most of that scene as a single shot. Seriously no mean achievement.

Eeee. Eeeew. Serenity was ... an ... okay-ish way to wrap up the series. It was kind of weird to reboot and rewire the characters as much as was done. Which I could have been okay with, had the deaths not piled up. Killing Wash was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Alan Tudyk is too amazing to just write out like that. Even if they were afraid of not being able to get him onboard for more, they could have come up with something better than killing Wash. Killing Shepherd didn't win any points either. :\ And the story? Kind of WTF. Serenity could have been done better. It didn't really ... grab the coattails of Firefly. It just sort of mocked it from Firefly's shadow. In a way, I was kind of glad that the movie didn't have the same title as the series, as it really felt like an alternate universe kind of reboot.

As mentioned in the video, though: part of the reason was that Alan Tudyk in particular had a lot of other things going on, and killing off his character would simplify scheduling for those planned sequels which never came. If it was known conclusively that there would be no more Firefly, then there would have been no reason to kill anyone.

A reboot maybe? Like BSG?

The movie was made after the show was canceled and because it wasn't coming back

They're making a reboot. Of course, with the way things are going lately, it'll be a super woke teen drama where character depth is limited to race, gender and sexuality. It honestly makes me not want to watch it since so many of my favorite series have been utterly ruined and I will just get upset if they do it to Firefly.

THat's what killed it for me. I fell in love with the characters on tv when the series aired, then walked out of the movie wondering what I had just watched. There were several things Joss could have done instead of killing off the characters to remove them from future movies. A friend read that he liked to kill important characters to show the audience that it was hard-hitting stuff. I don't care for that logic.

It's unknown to those of us that don't read comic books. I don't have a problem with those that do. I'm just not one of them.

It might be a good read. Just saying.

Relying on a comic book to tell an important part of your story is lazy writing and leads the consumer to suspect the original writer didn't actually have an answer to the question at the time. Very bad!

@@gillonba IIRC, the original author and his son write the comic series. It’s an avenue to keep the story going when the studios with the film/TV rights won’t let you make another.

@@adanufgail Yes, lazy writing. It doesn't need hours of screen time, just a line somewhere like "I was in the special forces before I became a preacher". That explains his skills and any contacts he may have. Then you can have the comic tell the rest of the story if you want, but give us enough to believe that you have something in mind. It's not hard, if you have a shred of respect for your audience

I never knew Firefly existed until my boss took us to see Serenity for a company party. LOVE the movie, loved the show when I got the DVDs for it.

I'm surprised so many people unfamiliar with the show didn't really connect to Serenity. I sure did.

@@FalconPaladin Everyone I know that saw the movie connected with it. Including the person who turned me on to Serenity. I lost track of how many times I saw the movie.

@@neophytealpha same, though I have only watched the season though once I think. Even though I did enjoy the season. I have binged the first 4 seasons of the expanse now several times but I'm not sure that's a fair comparison, perhaps if there was a show summary movie of the expanse I would rewatch that instead.

@@FalconPaladin This video makes a great point about the bungled marketing and title of the movie not being allowed to use "Firefly", but I saw Serenity in the theater before I was even aware of Firefly and I loved it. Not knowing the backstories gave it a very fresh "slice of life" feel, which is rare in scifi and usually boring in all genres. There was enough exposition to make it work. Books death didn't mean as much to me as it would upon later watching, but it really made the world feel lived in. Even if I didn't know these peoples history, they clearly had a rich one, each and every one of them. "Show don't tell" is something I swear by in storytelling. It was clear enough to me, with no foreknowledge, that Book was dear to the crew. That's all I needed to know.

Ask the cast of Buffy whether he got to do whatever he wanted. They'll confirm it.

Dollhouse could've been saved as well.

They recognized his "talent", and then spawned nearly decades of him being one of the most prominent propaganda show and filmmaker in america. Ideologically speaking, firefly and serenity is not only antithetical to the rest of weedens work, but also the entirety of NYC and Hollywood storytelling

It did not fail. The incompetence, malfeasance and stupidity of the Fox Executives killed it. It was also intentional, because no one is that stupid, incompetent or malicious without a reason.

I too saw the movie first and I loved it. I was super excited to find out that there was a series. At this point I would even settle for a reboot of the show although I am aware the new cast could never live up to the original actors.

@@eddysgaming9868 Don't compare the two. And when you throw around "woke" as if the original movies didn't have that I know to discount your opinion.

@@eddysgaming9868 Star Wars is a great fit for Disney. It has always been cheesy crap. Btw, people who use "woke" as an insult only show that they are right-wing morons.

I always wear my River t-shirt and by Blue Sun t-shirt when I got to Disney. I get comments from other brown coats all the time.

Wow! I’ll check that out! Thank you for heads up! Live long and prosper, young man!

@@malirabbit6228 May the Force be with you and your spice flow in abundance.

@@remc0s Well, hell, young man! You'a big damn hero!

Actually that's a pretty sucktastic backstory for such a great character. Comic tie-ins are always garbage

@@insertclevernamehere2506 It was written by Joss Whedon himself, because he intended to reveal this in future seasons. Also that Inara was terminally ill.

I am in that small group normal soaps are boring , the future looks far more exciting

Lot of poor english in this vid.

Poor English, or poor grammar? hmmmm...

I came to it late as well and have very much the same experience with it.