Your videos are great, but I wonder why you never cover punk in Europe. I think it is a bit different than in USA, since many of us punks in Europe have members of families that were fighting in wars, in revolutions, that were slaughterd in concentration camps in WW 2 etc. Punk has much different flavour in Europe, than USA. It is much more a social and political movement than just a fashion. Check out France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Yugoslavia... Thank you for doing the great work❤

Hej Finn, thank you for setteling a debate amongst some frmr 12:58 members both North aen South on the topic of "Suicidals". 💯 stay up hon

I remember in the 80’s we called metal heads “hessians” or “buttrockers” sometimes…though I loved thrash and some metal too. There was so much good music coming from all these places. It was the heyday of gangster culture, so music was naturally niched into its own click.

Great video! Except for the terrible band you plugged. Seriously that is a joke. ST followed by that?

It was one of the top 5 bands we(skaters) listened to in the mid to late 80's...in Florida

I believe it. They seem genuine. That’s a great story. Thank you for posting.

I second what Marky said.

That sounds like them

I third what Marky said

Can't stop the message....God bee with your brother-in-law and all the loved ones.

Beat me to it!😂❤

Nah man you got it all wrong. JUST ONE PEPSI!!

I wonder if they got any money from Pepsi?🤔

At my age, make that a diet.

AND SHE WOULDN’T GIVE IT TO ME

I am east european . I was born in Hungary. S.T opened my eyes in the early nineties. I through them found out about cholo culture and gangs. Back then we didn’t have Mtv just fanzines and movies and stuff, I fell in love with it right away. I was the only white cholo in my high school riding my board 😂 Now I think about it make feel a certain type of way, but back then it was my identity! I still love these dudes and I still love the cholo culture too. ❤

I would also like to add that before I discovered S.T i was into fuckin G’N’R and Van Halen and shit so without Suicidal I would have never came across N.Y.H.C or hard core culture in general. They were the first hardcore band I ever heard in my life and still my favourite!

Same.

Same… Mexican punks weren’t a thing in Houston when I was growing up. It took me finding early NYC punk to find ST and people that look like me in the music I like.

Yeah ! Bro.

i heard they never play LA anymore...any truth to that?

​@@JimmyHandtrixxnah that was a long ass time ago they play now

Hell yes!!!! He was one of my biggest influences especially back in his ST days

“Tell them what’s up, Rocky!”

I own 4 Ibanez RG guitars, and for the longest time, I thought RG stood for Rocky George, lol. That's basically all he would play back in the day.

His work with Cro-mags is underrated as well. Dude can f’n play.

100%. His shreds are timeless.

Can we know the songs specifically? I'm curious.

​@@haleighhellfire321honestly....just pick one. There is so much insight lyrically into so many different mental health issues, whether Mike personally dealt with them or he just happened to observe them happening to folks around him, that they can't be ignored. Many can identify with these feelings and issues. He also spends a great deal of time delving into the power of positive thinking, recognizing hypocrisy, using independent critical thought to change personal outcomes, and finding community in a diverse group of friends who become family. Here I am, 48 years old, and a band I discovered as a disenfranchised, disaffected skater kid with a love of aggressive music STILL loving their records.

Gotta Kill Captain Stupid while by no means one of my favourite songs by S.T really planted a seed in my mind. Having this cool rock band telling an impressionable kid that all that dumb shit, getting drunk, doing drugs etc… was in fact,… NOT COOL was a great message that set in.

@@haleighhellfire321If I Don’t Wake Up is a good song for reference. But all their songs really do have some sort of message in them and I do appreciate that this band was more about self improvement rather than destruction.

@@haleighhellfire321 The album How Will I laugh Tomorrow... is a big one personally. It does a great job of realistically describing and addressing depression without pandering. It also works its way through a whole lot of darkness to an uplifting recovery without feeling like schlocky bullshit, and without lying or pretending that the darkness could never come back. I don't think Mike Muir ever described it as a concept album, but it's definitely got a theme throughout.

i still rep it

Your mom sounds cool as hell

Captain Crunch, Captain Crunch, How I like to munch and munch....lol

You mom is/was badass

i saw your mommy 😁

@@tonyk1406 He’s inviting you to lunch!

Wasn't it though! I loved that album!! Wait, was that lights, camera, revolution??

@@PavlovSkriniskalov The self-titled debut (1983).

They are literally as highly rated as a band can be 🤷‍♀️

Right there with you bro

Same here. Got kicked out of high school in 10th grade. "How will I laugh tomorrow when I can't even smile today" was huge to me as a disgruntled teen at the time.

@@magamaga1827 the heavy emotion version is one of my favorite songs

🎉🎉🎉🎉Yyyeessss🎉🎉🎉🎉

His voice too, it's one of a kind and it just pierces through you.

I was a skater/surfer in the late 80s, still am to this day. Got say, I was only 10 in 88. My older cousin was super into it, and so I wanted to be. He grew out of it, and I didn’t. I always loved Suicidal based on the skate connection.

Same.. The Descendants and Minor Threat were two other bands that we rocked often.

Agent Orange. Their music was fucking designed to skate to. But Suicidal was up there too. JFA. Agression. Boneless Ones. RKL. Gang Green. MDC. Shit, we even skated to the B52's sometimes. Some of the best days of my life.

@@13JDOG666 Agent Orange always on the 1/2 pipe playlist

@@gundolarry Mandatory😉

Rocky isn't playing a 7 string in that vid

Wow, you can TELL (hear) the difference, really??

@@MicheleMcAdoo Between a 6-string guitar in standard tuning, and a 7-string guitar in drop d tuning? Yes, absolutely. Listen to a Korn song and then listen to a Green Day song and you'll notice the difference in guitar tones real quick.

@@Laurikiwi Wrong. We're on youtube already bro, they show it in the first 3 seconds of the video. You didn't put the video on and double check before making this comment??? Come on man, you've gotta be better than that.

@@facerip2222 ty ✌🏽

That was at the same time as the Judas Priest and Ozzy “kid suicide” panic and lawsuits…the media had parents petrified😂

My mom was even crazier. She assumed anything not pop music meant you were both gay and satanic. I wish I was kidding. I needed years of therapy because of her.

Yes that 80s satanic panic was so fun wasn't it? A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace A couple of my favorite band shirts went missing and I thought it was my brother but I found out months later that my mom had burned them in the fireplace

@@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929n high school I wanted to start a band called satanic panic and capitalize off of the joke with over the top satanic joke music. It was going to be a cross between gwar and manic Hispanic.

@@demonicusa.k.a.theblindguy3929 damn now I know who took my shirts lol

whats rocky george a spin off?

@@chrhadden only the best guitarist ST ever had! And one of the best guitarists from the 80's!!

@@randywissler9923 yeah i looked him up.i should have known that. i might be missing a few brain cells after thirty or so years of beer.

@@randywissler9923 yes totally agree. Unique

Rocky didn't come up with the guitar parts of their big.songs. s.t.s earlier guitar players who were white did that

Same. Very well said.

@@ghost_mall Agreed. My metal friends made fun of me for listening to punk and my punk friends made fun of me for listening to metal. They all hated hip hop. That first ST album fused punk and metal and they brought the street/gang culture into the fold. As semi sheltered white kid I fell in love.

Again the song Join the Army was the first hybrid metal/rap song I've ever heard. At least three years before public enemy and anthrax

i bet they have ST tshirts they bought from amazon now lying about how much they loved it back then. i see that a lot these days and people dont know one song.

@@chrhadden I feel you fam but I’m too old to hate on posers. Besides it’s free advertising for the artists.

First album is the one. Not too into their later shit, but that self titled is IT. Join The Army is pretty dope too. Before the Mike Clark influence took over. They kinda lost me after How Will I Laugh Tomorrow.

Disagree. There were bands like the middle class. Discharge, tsol and others way earlier

@@annna6553 Well, you're just wrong.

​@@annna6553There was a band called Against from Venice around the same time as Suicidal. They worshipped Discharge and had the big spikey hair.Very obscure but you can find them on KZfaq.

​@@colico14 actually he nailed it..

@@colico14no one cares anyway man. It’s just fucking music. Listen to it. That’s it. That’s all folks.

And don't forget about Death from Detroit since around 75 76 man.

Don’t forget about DRI another punk metal crossover

GBH also. I think this guy tries to do a good job, but he needs to ask people who were around when a lot of this stuff actually went down. There is not much reliable info because the best stuff wasn't mainstream.

@@ghost_mall I'm from the 90s and always thought that song was from the 90s, very surprised to learn it's from '83 !

I didn't like the punk stuff just the Thrash.

all you have to do is count the remakes and al yancovich type parodies. ice t even knows the words to that song

The songs guitar parts written by previous s.t. guitarists. Not rocky george

That song is thrashy as fuck though? Stands out a million miles from most of the rest of the songs on the debut album which is as you say far closer to straight up hardcore punk. A sign of the direction they would go in future.

Yea it was weird to us here in NYC. We could never figure out where ST got their look. We thought it was cool though.

YES!!

Mexicanos don't need any credit.

@@rubios996 He said Chicanos.

No disrespect to the Chicanos, but they weren't the only ones dressing like that. I grew up in South LA and the Cholos and the Brothers dressed like that all the time. It's still the way I dress sometimes.

Louie was the man, he co wrote alot off the first two albums which were their best albums. I wish he would of stayed in the band. I remember he fronted a band called Uncle Slam for a while

Luigi is the man, and even though a lot of people, especially management, got mad at Amery because he wouldn't play "dress up" any longer and left the band, those two were the original backbone of ST's sound. I grew up with Amery, friends since I was in 6th grade and I went through all grade school with Bob Heathcote, R.I.P. , Rick R.B. Batson and met Rocky before he joined ST, he was jamming with one of my best friends putting together a band. I also surfed and skated with Jay and got to know Jim from my friends and I skating the neighborhoods and Marina Skatepark. Two of my younger friends I skated with who ended up on DogTown team are Scott Oster and Aaron Murray. We all skated along with Pat Ngoho and Christian Hosoi. The '70s - into the '90s were some wild years growing up in Venice, Santa Monica, Playa Del Rey, Westchester, Marina Del Rey. It definitely wasn't like any place in the world. We were the world as far as we were concerned. Hahahahaha Westside L.A. Del Rey Deadchester Locs Be safe Brother

@@jlobiafra --- you are correct. Uncle Slam was Luigi and Amery, ST's original bass and drums. They had some good songs on that first album. Then I don't remember why they broke up. Amery told me, I'm sure but that was a very very long time ago. Amery also played in a band called The Brood. They were moving into the speed metal sound and then eventually Amery was hired by th Beastie Boys to be their tour drummer and stayed with them for about 15 years or so.

@@13_13k did you know the guys in Excel? That was a great band.

@@jlobiafra --- I don't think I do know those guys. I know a lot of musicians from the years both in LA and the Bay Area. Is that really you Jello or are you just using that name for your account?

"DISCO'S OUT, MURDER'S IN!!"

@@hekstoo5988 Zero clue who you are, but you fucking rock, and “DON’T BE EATING FRUIT LOOPS ON MY FRONT PORCH!!!”

@@frodo6058 🤣🤣🤣

Yeah. I remember when Cro Mags came out with Best Wishes, and I was a little disappointed because it just sounded like they were copying Suicidal's sound.

because you cant copy that. you cant even try to be like them without coming off a poser and getting laughed at until your 3in tall

oh shit your right

That's a great point. I never saw it that way.

S.t. people would get brutally beaten up by the oc punks back in the day. Was no contest

​@@annna6553LMPs had Mike dead to rights according to the book but let him slide by just knocking him out

@@bigmoon1698 Nothing surprises me.

problem is, their music is poorly mixed. Impossible to get a real feel for them when you can't hear the vocals over the guitar.

suicidal tendencies > rushing spring lmao

@@YoungDeathWish Some really weird drum sounds too. Still, respect that they are reaching out in a unique DIY way

That was a nice way of saying that Rushing Spring was not the best choice for promoting a Suicidal Tendencies documentary.

@@RickReasonnz putting your music on to spotify and paying for an add = DIY. OK got it...

Thanks for your kind words, as a DIY band grinding away at it the support means the world ❤️

I recently got my st beanie confiscated never got it back they could keep it

Ditto... They were judged by their name when their music was ANTI suicide for those who struggled with a suicidal life.

Agreed. I always called that album thrash, as did everyone else I knew who heard it.

Same here. In the DC area, only Metallica and then some Anthrax were welcome at the skate ramps and it was rough accepting that the "grits" that were always starting shit with punks had some decent music. The second ST album had a lot of us questioning our strict metal vs punk affiliations, but no metalheads were listening the debut.

Love bot bands but neither are punk, they are Thrash/Metal.

@@vanhattfield8292someone didn’t watch the video. Crossover. All the best parts of metal and punk in one tidy little package. Some bands were more punky some were more metal. Even when they were well established ST were still considered more punk than metal despite their sound cos’ they had that edge and attitude, musically and aesthetically. It took a little while for the metal purists to accept ST. DRI was essentially a punk band. Their attitude and performance style was clearly diy based, with a stripped down to basics metal sound.

​@@vanhattfield8292I guess you've never heard DRI first two albums, there's nothing metal about those albums

Never gets his due. My favorite and imo the best lead player out of that era's thrash players.

Rocky and Dr. Know are influential..

Agreed on Rocky George, his style and approach were unique, but let's not forget Mike Clark who was a badass riff machine since 1988 for more than two decades. And Waking the Dead is originally from No Mercy's "Widespread Bloodshed" album that featured Muir on vocals and Clark only on guitar. When No Mercy disbanded _Brother Clark_ was offered to join ST and this actually transformed the band overall sound to the 80's thrash metal with hardcore punk base. "How Will I Laugh Tomorrow" is a perfect example of how Mike and Rocky complemented each other for good six-seven years.

@@Robostomp I didn't know that! Good to know some history to some of those songs.

@@rickg8015 Dr. Know is WAY underrated as well as Bad Brains. Would love if Rocky & Dr. Know did a band together as their lead styles are quite different from one another but their band's music are similar enough they could come up with some killer songs

RIP to your brother. I lost two friends to that shit last year.

No, first album that he's talking about is straight up hard core. In 1989 the album was re-recorded and the vid for institutionalized. On headbanger's ball some time in 490s they didn't call the original frontier album an abortion, but did say that the new album is the one they prefer. As for the host, he's just not good.

The first band I ever saw was W.A.S.P. . Fucking Blackie Lawless and his boys put on one hell of a show.

Becareful with that if you get arrested it's a gang tattoo

@@roberthargrave3636 I think I'll be ok. I live in France 😁

Yooo thank you man ❤

agreed, keep the scene alive, by supporting indie artist.

Punk really IS dead these days to be honest.

Luicidal is great. Met them a few years back. Great people.

My buddies and I use to watch blood in blood out religiously as young teens.

I remember that song Therapy that has Ozzy in it. Good cd. Groove Family Cyco was sick too. Rules go Out the Window.

Gimme some chon chon !!😂

Thats crossover. Probably the best crossover album and band. Only ones that came close were D.R.I, a good band, but even they fell short. Early ST was just something else.

That album is amazing, every song hits hard. Memories Of Tomorrow, Subliminal, Fascist Pig and Won't Fall In Love Today are my favorites

I loved DRI. I listened to a lot of Exploited too which became kinda metal. Excel wasn't bad either.

@@davidpack4867 The last time I saw ST DRI was the opening band. It was a great show.

Yeah their debut album is great, but I also really like "Lights, Camera Revolution". Sure it is a more polished album but the songs are top level.

As an Aussie I’ve heard them before!

So capitalism?

I'm from a northern city, there were some cholo punks in our scene too, only they sported red bandanas.

Actually 80s crossover bands made things much worse for the punk and metal feud, at least back then. It incited these two crowds that hated each other to be together more often lol. Typical mid-80s bills like Cro-Mags opening for Overkill always ended up in bloodbath.

​@dr.juerdotitsgo5119 I guess it depends on the location because in Philly 1995-96 I would go to punk shows and never had any trouble. Would hear the warnings that I'd get beat up and whatnot but it never materialized.

@@russellward4624 Yeah it depends on a lot of factors. For instance, a metalhead at a Bad Religion show in 90s Philly is totally different from a metalhead at a Negative FX show in 80s Boston.

@@russellward4624 Dude, you got lucky. When I arrived in 96' Skinheads would drive by and throw bottles at us outside the Killtime and Stalag. Then there were the hxc youth crew guys that just terrorized every one. It was a fu**ing nightmare. There was constantly fighting.

​@@ridingincirclesyeah well.back in 1988 shit was cool at a anthrax show with s.o.d and gorilla.biscuits

Well yeah, that’s why it’s the MBA. You just got your basic degree in school.

Hell, I remember Tony Hawk Choloed out, with tthe Brigade in "Gleaming the cube".

Did you go to Agnostic Front in SF, 85 maybe 86 ? Can't remember the name of the Venue ( some old theatre maybe ? ) but it wasn't too far from China Park. I'm an old school skin, and that was the first gig I ever felt some unease at, myself and six of my gang went. We got hit up so many times by other skins asking if we were WP or SHARP ( we hated both ). We weren't well liked in the Bay Area as it was and the whole night just felt like it was gonna erupt, the last thing I wanted to was to go to jail in fuckin SF. Had a lot of good times up there though at On Broadway, Ruthie's, Farm , etc. Aight peace

@@tfries1607 I missed that one. Agnostic Front I know could get hairy. Did see the Cro-Mags though! Also don’t remember where and also pretty wild. As for the skins in the Bay Area, they fucked up a lot of shows and parties. Glen Danzig said the only town he wouldn’t play in was SF because of how violent and disruptive the local skins were at a Misfits show. They wrecked a number of shows at the Farm and were largely responsible for the farm stopping live music which was a bummer. I was in the middle of a fog of tear gas due to a bunch of WP skins crashing an MDC show with predictable results. SHARP skins somehow got hired to do security at an underground show in like ‘88 and WP skins came to crash it. It was a fucking bloodbath until the cops and paddy wagons showed up, the only time I was happy to see them. Anyway, I know there’s are various skinhead factions, even the ska scene, and I don’t know much about it all so I’m not assuming anything. But the ones around here mostly sucked, the WP ones most of all. We had a bit of the Fugazi sort of straight edge skin scene, though not really, but being an enthusiastic drinker and drug user at the time I had little time for them. Overall they all just took themselves too seriously and were dicks to everyone else. Generally no fun. Lastly, all those place you mentioned were awesome! The Farm was just special though. Saw Circle Jerks in like ‘85, my first punk show and it blew my little mind. Saw Bad Brains a couple times there which was amazing. Those shows were pretty rough too but didn’t feel dangerous. Anyway, good times! Much different times…

@@tfries1607 Sounds like the place you saw Agnostic Front was the Old Waldorf maybe…

@@mechanicalman1068 hmm, not sure. That was eons ago it seems. Three of my gang that i went that night have passed away since then. RIP shit happens. Yea, I can attest to skins being assholes much of the time, I'm no angel. We fucked up our own scene twice , we ruined a Business show in Berkeley trying to fight all the Sac and Bay Area skins that weren't allied, poor Mickey Fitz threw down the mic and stormed off stage yelling "all you wanna do is fight each other". Truth, that was the sole reason over 40 of us went up there in the first place, not to enjoy the show, but to settle old grudges. Anyways. I always enjoyed The Farm , I know Nikki from VA and the dudes from RKL, Christ on Parade, Special Forces, Social Unrest, Dave MDC. I met Tim Yohanen and got to browse his ridiculous record collection. I'm positive I was at that Circle Jerks show in 85, we never caused any trouble at the Farm but unless they knew us we got a wide berth like we had scabies lol. I understand why . Anyways, nice chatting with ya. Stay healthy Friend.

You could add Power Trip to that list as well. Best thrash/crossover band of the last 15 years.

Calm down its not 1988 anymore, it's way more unusual for someone to be into one and not also the other now days.

@@cantbanme8971 Still a lot of old death metal dudes that love to shit on hardcore and anything hardcore adjacent as “poser music”, especially the new wave of hardcore/crossover influenced death metal bands like 200 Stab Wounds, Creeping Death, Frozen Soul, etc. Funny thing is those fudds wouldn’t make it in a modern day pit anyway lol

You left out Cryptic Slaughter.

Missed The Butthole Surfers

I saw that tour too locally. Shit, I had forgotten that one. Wasn't a huge Quernsryche fan but they were alright.

Oh damn! I haven’t been there since pre-covid

Be careful green light on Santa Monica, that is why they don't get along anymore

Totally. Motorhead for the crossover win. And the first DK record was the album that brought me to punk from metal. That was before thrash.

Naw I was listening to Death the Detroit band back in 76 and to me that was more.crossover before S.T.

@@jessiemartinez3056 Death was an extremely obscure band, and also extremely ahead of their time. You are lucky to have known about them way back then. Most people are still unaware of them.

@@fifteen8 yes I freaking love that band..cool that you jam them also..sux alot of folks do know about em ..weird huh

@@jessiemartinez3056 They were great for so many reasons - 3 African American brothers (same family); created great Punk before the Ramones and Pistols; from the Motor City - contemporaries of MC5 and Stooges. Too bad they didn't get the success they deserved. Rest In Power, David Hackney. Here's a great documentary: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mL2Aksmet9SodZc.html

Not historical but otokobe beaver and maximum the hormone are the fuggin best

i never heard of that either.ill check that out too

Wow! That was my first show as well! Small world. I was 14.

That was like 92-93, right?

@@Jake-sw3ss yeah I was in 8th grade I think..... The old Sam Houston coliseum here in Houston. It's not around anymore but it was an awesome venue.

@@HappinessDIY I remember my first experience crowd surfing. I had seat tickets but told the security guy I got robbed in the bathroom for my wristband. 😆 SHIT WORKED!! I will never forget that night. 🤘

@@D-Town-7639 Sounds awesome. I saw them in Salt Lake City at the Salt Dome. My neck was sore the next day from headbanging. Lol

lmao rocked the house all the way out and wore the crowd down for the main act.if that isnt an accolade i dont know what is.

I grew up East of there too, lol...now a Permaculture Farmer in West Arkansas! OkieDogs, lol!