It's basically the same with any instrument, even non harmonic ones like the sax. There's stock patterns and theory everywhere.

Maaan just buy decoda. I had to do charts for cash , so I bought it cos my ear wasn’t good enough. It spews out chords pretty good! Unfortunately I needed more than just chords to actually make charts on time, so I failed. But program is very nice. You might even play a bunch of nonesense and it’ll make up what harmony you actually played (suggest modes ).

Nothing beats the old fashioned way, that’s what he’s teaching here. Once you put in the work, it stays with you.. It even evolves. Trust and believe, fam..

I'm a guitar player who learned it like most beginners do (by tablatures and chord sheets), so I'm naturally still very oriented to guide myself on my instrument by positions and shapes when thinking of cadences, circle of fifths etc. So what baffles me the most about piano players is how they are able to think in structural terms when it comes to building harmony. I mean, like how a piano player thinks of an Fmaj7 chord as the collection of notes F-A-C-E, anywhere in the keyboard and regardless of the variations and inversions, instead of a "maj7 shape beginning in the 1st fret of the 6th string", like guitar players tend to do. I bet it's way harder to learn, but man, it REALLY seems to pay off in the end!

@@Celso_Luis Instead of shape we learn numbers; so 1-3-5-7 in any key in a Maj 7. For instance I really like C maj 9 played with this voicing way C / B-D-E-G; I think of it as 1/ 7-2-3-5. It's tedious, but it works.

yes true, despite the catchy thumbnail, however, the ears are still used to pull from an existing knowledge base. The ears of a musician, like yourself, will hear and process differently than a musician starting out, their ears have grown, yes, but more so their internal knowledge

This is a chicken or the egg discussion

I've often struggled to describe my musical knowledge. The best I come up with is just "I know where things are supposed to go". I hear people describing music theory with a mess of complex language, meanwhile I'm just like "yes, that's what SHOULD be there, or that's what WORKS here"

@@SeanWilsonPiano Everybody is born with different naturally ability. I know many professionals would agree with your approach but have you ever come across people with perfect pitch who could pick out any four note chord strictly be ear? Certainly some can name any of the 12 notes you might play. If they could do that they could familiarize themselves with all the intervals. So two notes is believable. Three and four notes simultaneously is where it gets really hard. I suppose you could systematically take a given interval and then practice naming any of 12 notes added to it. Then go to every interval and do the same. I suppose that is 144 combinations !! A lot of them might be dissonant but nevertheless each one something to identify . I think Rick Beato's kid can do this

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@@SeanWilsonPiano agreed. You turned up in my feed this morning. Saw the headline and figured I’d learn something new, which I did. That coloured chord motion chart is a work of genius I’m working on extending my _harmonic vocabulary_ and what I call _internalising the feeling_ of those extended jazzy chords with all those sweet, or spicy, tension notes and how they are used. Get myself to the point where I hear something, feel it, and then the vocabulary comes out with something that describes it musically, and yes I refer to my theory when my ear lets me down. Now, I’m a bass player who impersonates a guitarist, so the chord stuff I really want to get down. Last night I was hanging with another bass player buddy and we were working through a song together, and there was a chord voicing on the guitar that I just couldn’t pick. It was the dominant #5 b9 chord made from a b7 3 #5 b9. I’d never come across this chord before, and my ears couldn’t quite pick it….so….I’d like to propose a new ratio for your musical analysis 65% vocabulary 20% theory 10% ear *5%* _help from someone on the internet that’s already figured it out_ Though I suspect that the ratio of the latter is much higher for less trained ears :-)

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Appreciate it man, I’m not devaluing the role of the ear at all just highlighting the importance of growing the existing knowledge base for the ear to pull from. Let me also add for the reader when I say theory I’m speaking in a broad sense. Not literal theory but your understanding of the rules of what you are doing. For most folks it’s intuitive

@@SeanWilsonPiano it's really obvious when you think about it, but learning vocabulary means getting out of your comfort zone, listenning to new stuff (or old that we gloss over) replicate it in our playing in a conscious manner... how often do we hear that transcribing is one of the best learning exercises, yet few get the courage or desire to grind it out. Takes time and energy, if you're naturally very curious and passionate it's not an effort, for some of us like me it's a small but undeniable barrier. Thanks for keeping it real

You have to memorize most of the common changes and what commonly counts as an outside chord

@@SeanWilsonPiano what you're calling "theory" here, you could call "grammar", because that becomes instinctive when you speak any language - and it also uses the same metaphor as your term "vocabulary".

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There you go doc!

Hey man, let me just say thanks for commenting and also your commitment to growth. I’m like you man, just someone passionate about learning and growing. Glad your onboard, hit me up if you have any questions

This is my personal experience with the percentages, the more chords I learn transcription gets easier. At the beginning it would take me forever to figure out chords I didn’t know

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That's the way to go dear 😊

You could be in the ballpark tho… for instance you could be playing a dominant chord but they could be using the same chord but have additional tension notes that you don’t normally use

There you go doc!

Yeah gospel musicians use dominants differently than jazz… on average

The Barry Harris method is a great approach to dominants, in my view. A very consistent model of chord theory overall, really valuable to learn it.

@@batmonkey I'll take a look into it. Love his teaching style.

@@ceelothatmane9421 there's a great guitar channel here called "Things I Learned From Barry Harris."

That's true. I have Perfect Pitch too, but even for someone with this 'power' it's pretty impossible to play every chord of a song by remembering each note individualy. People who play by Ear any song (both with Perfect Pitch and without) know a lot of chord-combinations and they know almost instantly which ones fit better or worse with the melody because they're masters, and have a lot of experiencie. I don't have the 'greatest' Perfect Pitch (so to speak). I hardly can recognise 3-4 Notes at once, but it helped me pretty much. Anyway, as you said, it's not good to rely only in your Ear; because even the best sense is limited compared to the Power of Knowledge. 👌✨️

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i don' think you have perfect pitch as you pretend ( active and passive ) WHICH is related to a formal and precoce education; It is a great advantage for transcription but doesn't make the virtuoso on the instrument . Only practicing till you can anticipate melodic and harmonic lines ( inner voices ) make you free .

@@GabriTell From your statement you imagine you have perfect pitch but you don't have .

@@jean-lucbersou758 Yes, I have it

Wow man, wow and honor thanks so much!

I saw his video on rootless chords how to identify diminished chords from seventh chords (secondary dominant chords) it changed my life lol I had never seen anyone teach it like that. I couldn't believe it was that easy. He hits on those points in this video as well. The most educational videos I've seen and very easy to understand.

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