They can both be petty in flaunting their highlighted moments alone with Cloud, but it is never truly mean-spirited and more there to equally show fan service for whichever relationship you think is best for Cloud. These characters build one of the most iconic friendships of my lifetime.

​@@Digital_DavidI don't think they are close friends but good buddies

Fans always trying to pit them against each other but they don’t have that kind of relationship

And that's besides the fact Aerith is actively trying to cuck her.

This is true

I was so on the fence about including that scene or not. It seemed a little ambiguous to me but I wasn't aware that the Japanese dialogue made it more clear.

How is that being jealous 💀 dude heard her talking and another unrecognizable voice about something pretty important. Cloud was looking out for her, not being jealous... You guys really want to make every little reaction Cloud has with any of the girls be romantic

@@sophi3n.797 Then why he doesn’t ask her about the whispers after that since he was that interested in the conversation? He just asks about who she was with and then expresses relief when it’s Red. You all act like Aerith is 12 and can’t take care of herself also Cloud started spying before hearing it was about the whispers.

@@Zero-fx8pc because he wasn't interested in the conversation, dude. He was worried about her, jesus 💀 y'all wanna make EVERY little interaction Cloud has with any of the girls be romantic. He can he worried too 💀 especially after hearing Aerith talking to a voice he's never heard before INSIDE HER ROOM. Have you forgotten Shinra is after her? Literally a chapter later Roche comes to Junon 😭 it may have been to fight Cloud but it's normal for Cloud to be worried about her, they are friends after all

@@Zero-fx8pc User sophi3n.797 is a Tifa bias. They refuse to acknowledge any romance or jealousy between Cloud and Aerith in any way. I saw their many other comments like this.

Reno said nothing about getting a room. He only says "Rude, you're so cool" in Japanese. Why would he want that second choice leftover for his partner?

@@KoriDess the way you're coping is hilarious. copium level 1000

@@user-fc5sq1jy5m Lmao, another snowflake Tifa fan that can’t stomach the reality and goes “cope, cope, bark-bark” whenever anyone brings it up. So amusing to watch

@@user-fc5sq1jy5m nah bruh english translators are known to switch up dialogue to make it appeal more to people in the west lol

@@KoriDess in English he does. Are we not watching the same video?? I’m aware he says something different in Japanese. Also that’s a really mean thing to say about Tifa…. :/

Same

Well, the thing that gets Aerith upset about the flower in my opinon is that he lied to her, twice. First in Remake, he says he doesn't remember who he gave it too (which by that point can be fair, he doesn't know her yet so has no interest in sharing private information) and then a second time in Rebirth, he yet again lies when she comments that she doubt _he_ put the flower in a vase with water. I'm sure she wouldn't have thrown a comment like that had he just admitted that he gave it to Tifa.

There is too much push for shipping in the remakes...I don't understand why there's no outrage from fans about it.

She stated she lost some of her memories from the whisperers in the Remake

Even Tifa was disappointed when she found out he only got it because it was from Aerith. Nobody likes a re gifted gift. It makes it feel meaningless.

@@NemesisNero bro , aerith literally told cloud that this makes for a good gift to someone , so her reaction here makes no sense and also contradicts her reaction when she saw it in the bar

@@NemesisNero Yeah hahaha, though I think she still took it as a sign. Girls do that sort of thing. You give something to them randomly when they bring up what you have with you. And eons later you learn they kept that thing and attributed a huge meaning to it. What Cloud did there isn't even that uncommon. But yeah she was deflated for sure. Probably more at herself for not realizing it wasn't him to go out of his way to buy flowers.

@@mannamv1205 She did not say that. Only if you reject it she'll say "It'll make your gf's day". And only if you reject it. And like I said Tifa was disappointed. Re gifting doesn't make anyone happy.

That's actually kind of lame, it feels then that the localization gives a bit more of life to the characters

@@realestalex2728 Sometimes its true, but in rebirth localization is oftern just confuses and not convey , what scene intends.For example, the last date of Cloud and Aerith. When Cloud asks why they weren't photographed, the photographer says they don't look like they were on a date (although they posed beautifully) So stupid. In fact, he says in Japanese that Aerith looks like she's going to cry. And this is a direct hint that Aerith knows the future here, and that she just wants to spend her last moments with Cloud. And it is precisely because of the photographer's words that Cloud says that she is behaving strangely for the second time, and that something is wrong with her. The English localization does not convey this meaning at all. And there are a million such moments in the game, they add and create the emotions they want, and sometimes they don't convey what should be conveyed through the scenes.

Dang so they made it better? Crazy

Cloud asked Aerith if she still liked Zack because she seemed pretty affected. Did you see his face? Dude did NOT feel jealous, lol

@@sophi3n.797 Of course he didn't ask out of jealousy, I wrote a comment about his answer, why he says she should forget him. And what he was feeling in that moment

There’s no jealousy there though, is there? Admitting ‘yeah I sat up here hoping Tifa would wave’ is the high affinity option. And when Tifa sees them, she gives a friendly wave with a smile. Where’s the jealousy, it’s rather a wholesome moment I thought

@@funkyfranx An interesting thing is that Cloud doesn't wave back, only Aerith. Cloud looks away as Tifa sees the two there.... He does the same if you get Aeriths date in ch. 8 and run into Tifa on the chocobo section. He's obviously feeling a bit awkward with Tifa seeing him with another woman. He doesn't do that if it's reversed. But then again, he knows Aerith is aware that he's known Tifa all his life so if you "ship" him and Aerith, he has zero reason to think Aerith would "get the wrong impression".

There isn't mistranslation.. The English version intentionally took more liberties, and most of the time, the rewording conveys the same meaning. They did this instead to translate word for word. Unfortunately, some contexts are changed or lost. The best exemple is in the remake ending, the steel sky line but it is now fixed, and in other instances such as Cloud is not interested in dating Aerith in Costa del Sol in the localization meanwhile in the Japanese ver he simply states that he doesn't know how to date. However, for the most part, the English localization is correct or even improves upon some aspects. Aerith is portrayed as more sassy, Barret is even more lovable than he already is, there is swearing in the English dub (Swearing in japan is using baka ''stupid'' lol). However, I find Cloud swearing every five seconds a little cringe-worthy. I primarily played the French translation, which is more faithful to the Japanese. However the English dialogue feels more natural and less anime-like.

Yeah they did the same with remake. I wish they would do a word for word translation.

It's localisation, not mistranslation. The differences are deliberate.

Don’t be that person

that was a horrible mistranslation btw. not even close to what she really said

@PenguinsAreColdish localisation, rather than mistranslation, but yeah I've seen it in Japanese too. I was just indignant on Cloud's behalf 😂

That's only if you deny the flower. But it was also a gift. A girlfriend would not want a re gifted flower. And Tifa is not even his girlfriend. But Tifa was also disappointed about it (if you get her scene.) Re gifting is not a good idea, for either party lol

@@NemesisNero I'm well aware it's only if you say you don't want it, I've played the game 🤣

@@carlytweedle9943 Then why pissed? I don't even think thats the canon choice. Especially because it's not an option in the OG. Just what you chose. And re gift is not good.

tifa has the worst luck with female friends, both jessie and aerith wanna get in cloud's pants, it's crazy 😂

Yeah you have to give Tifa credit when her friends want to constantly hook up with the guy they know she likes

​@@S_Blitz Sorry but I never understand this argument bcs Cloud is single, they love him both and they are free to flirt with him, why is it a problem only when it's Aerith who does it ? Cloud said in part.1 that Tifa isn't his girfriend so...

​@@ladansemakabreBut they have the right, Cloud is a single man so if Jessie and Aerith are clearly showing their attraction to him it's not as negative as you think

@@bouchra75-zk3jh2bh9z except both *know* Tifa likes Cloud, that's why they are sh*t friends 💀💀 if you respect your friend you won't try to steal her man. simple as that

*Snatches bow* *Snatches buster sword* *Snatches Nibelheim photo*

Man Zack always hits me in the feels ever since Crisis Core. He's the perfect embodiment of a good older friend/role model. Who then tragically sacrifices himself 😪

by your logic, Aerith likes Cloud too why would Tifa flirt with him? aren't they friends??

​@@ummwhat3527That doesn't work here because Aerith knows that Tifa and Cloud have known each other since childhood. Tifa tells her the past. It's not wrong for Aerith to like Cloud but to do it in front of Tifa, knowing that she harbors the same feelings is not funny nor good for Tifa.

@@legend1385Aerith is proactive about it while Tifa isn’t, then Aerith should just wait until Tifa decides to do something? It doesn’t work like that either.

@@Zero-fx8pc My point is not that she should not be forward with her feelings my point is to do it in ''FRONT'' of Tifa knowing that she and Cloud literally had a fight not 20 minutes ago is not the right time nor should it be acceptable. It comes off weird and Cloud is visibly uncomfortable with it as shown by his face. Aerith has no reason to wait yes that's true but there is a time and a place and this scene was not one of them.

Right?? Aerith projects Zack onto Cloud and tries to make every little interaction they have into sth romantic. I dont dislike Aerith but I hate how she wants Cloud to BECOME Zack...

I mean, the only reason they're not together is because Zack died trying to bring Cloud to Midgar. That's a reasonable assumption to make.

No. in japanese language they both said lovey-dovey and marlene still said aerith is "daisuki" cloud that canbe mean love then when zack met cloud at sephiroth fight, he actually said he hated cloud a little bit. it's bc this thing.

like @yakumojoly said. Zack asks Marlene if Aerith has feelings for Cloud and in Japanese Marlene replies "うん きっとね" which means "Yes, without a doubt." Then Zack says "それは ひゅーひゅー だな" then Marlene says "ひゅーひゅー!" not "Cause you weren't there". "ひゅーひゅー" is an onomatopoeia. Meaning like teasing a couple for being lovey dovey and/or congratulating them. Unfortunately both games have quite a few confusing translations like this.

Nope, she said it in reply to how Zack didn't see that coming, how could he have been it coming, he wasn't physically there to watch it.

creepy how? he doesn't even remember zack for most of the game. plus zack is dead anyway so how is aerith still his girl exactly? is a woman just a man's property forever? she's just not allowed to move on? she has to mourn him forever?

@@amoose977 It’s creepy because Cloud is emulating Zack and has ‘absorbed’ certain personality traits of his. Aerith wants to move on, but doing so with Cloud is a ‘one step forward, one step back’ kind of situation. Imagine a first class Soldier with eyes like the sky falls through your roof, with the exact mannerisms of your ex. Must have felt like fate to Aerith

*SPOILERS UNDERNEATH* He doesn’t fully remember Zack nor his sacrifice at this point in the story. His memory and identity is incredibly fractured. He just sees a guy who was dating Aerith, and ghosted her for years. Of course he’s going to react like that lol especially considering his friend seems hurt by it.

Cloud didn’t remember him at the time, he remembers Zack later in the game

Not like he remembers who Zack is.

@@MoonlightBrillanceCloud doesn’t remember but strangely he doesn’t remember being a SOLDIER means they have a code to live by.

He then remembers a little more about Zack iirc but still doesn't remember how Zack carried his ass to Midgard.

I disagree, her having love interests doesn't limit her but enhances her. She is more than just a Cetra, she is a person and is as much a part of the human condition as anyone else and that includes falling in love. Her desires give her interests and conflicts and make her human and personable. Being just a strong independent mystical turns her into nothing more than a plot device. Having her be a romantic interest allows the audience to fall in love with her too. When she's gone we don't just lose a magical mcguffin, we lose a dear friend and a part of ourselves.

They didn't limit SHIT. She's STILL ALL THOSE THINGS, and a love interest.

I think her and clouds story and chemistry made this game. No hate but I think the game would still be working well without Tifa. No hate. I think any ship is valid that was how the game was designed.