Upsetting Sir Alex Ferguson

Upsetting Sir Alex Ferguson | EP 114

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Күн бұрын

Why did the first edition newspapers after Man United’s treble success agitate Sir Alex Ferguson? What was it like ghostwriting Steven Gerrard’s autobiography? How do we protect the football pyramid in England and ensure the game isn’t run in the interests of only a handful of clubs?
Gary, Alan and Micah are joined by leading journalist Henry Winter to talk about the importance of high-quality sports journalism and the privilege of being able to tell people’s stories.
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00:00 - Intro
01:00 - Henry Winter’s Backstory
07:00 - Changes In Players' Attitudes
10:45 - Different Types Of Journalists
15:25 - How To Become A Sports Journalist
18:35 - Regulation
23:30 - Why is Sports Journalism Important
25:45 - Favourite Story
32:45 - Who Does Henry Support?
34:30 - Micah’s England Debut
36:20 - England’s Chances
39:40 - Henry Winter’s Plans

Пікірлер: 230

@colloquialsoliloquy6391 Ай бұрын

"Look I came from a privileged background, Westminster Abbey and all that ,so to meet people...from the real world to be honest ,to see that work ethic... etc" may be the most openly admirable thing an upper class person has said this millennium.

@hunsler1006 Ай бұрын

I was taken back by his honesty on that, I can see why people like him

@gooblegooble99 Ай бұрын

I came to comment the very same thing!

@ThexMJT 29 күн бұрын

Nice he knows he came from privilege, and knows he as experienced a different up bringing compared to average footballer who is generally very working class upbringings, or poverty from players outside of Europe.

@RoppaNUFC1892 19 күн бұрын

😊😊😊😊😊

@funkhouse5936 19 күн бұрын

Thank you , I cant add anything to that . Very impressive man

@lukemccormick-clarke5119 Ай бұрын

"They went to Hillsborough as a family, with the two girls in the back & they came back as a couple". Got me that. Heartbreaking.

@DannyG-cv8so Ай бұрын

So a “tactically inept” manager took Aberdeen to European glory? Till Pep takes a tiny club to success, Sir Alex has the right to call BS, as do i😂

@Haydersublate 19 күн бұрын

Ferguson was never tactically inept.

@hunsler1006 Ай бұрын

Just on response to Micha's last question. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

@englishjona6458 Ай бұрын

Yep and a whole country is suffering from what your talking about

@lotuseater7247 Ай бұрын

@@englishjona6458 you're

@colloquialsoliloquy6391 Ай бұрын

George Carlin ,as per usual had an excellent take on the difference between rights and privileges.

@mrwoo1221 Ай бұрын

Great pod with one of the most underrated football influencers (is that the word), a true legend of the sport!

@nickm8874 Ай бұрын

Everything’s bloody underrated these days, isn’t it. He was chief football writer for the times. You think he’s some undiscovered under appreciated gem?

@WaniZame Ай бұрын

I’ve never been a fan of Henry’s writing, he is overly descriptive and melodramatic for me BUT his passion for the industry really is infectious. I do think he blows a bit too much smoke up players arses and I think that’s the real reason he has such good relationships in the game but I do hope he gets to continue his career elsewhere as he’s a great advocate. With his upbringing and background he could have picked his career path but broke out of the mould and has mixed in with the proles and having people like Henry advocating for the working classes and how hard we work to the bourgeoise is so important.

@mesolithicman164 17 күн бұрын

Oh, it's such an honour to have an educated man speaking up for we, the proletariat. We can barely formulate a sentence, so to have someone from the upper classes defend our beautiful game is, indeed, an honour and a privilelege. And we should all be thankful as he he delivers his largesse upon our unworthy souls.

@richardwiltshire2995 Ай бұрын

One of the best Podcasts. Henry is one of the only print journalists who I read. He tells the truth, has the respect of the players he interviews. Wish him the best in the next stage of his amazing career.

@theonemarkedpirate Ай бұрын

Good to see getting people from different parts of the game to come onto the podcast. Always interesting hearing it from different angles.

@pamelabonaparte9383 Ай бұрын

Great conversation……love that you let him speak and give his perspective from many years reporting on the teams,clubs, players and the challenges ( changes) he’s witnessed over a long writing career. I learn so much from the podcast about this game I’ve come to love . Thanks guys 🙌🏻👏🏻❤

@71Giggles Ай бұрын

Fantastic podcast. It was a bit like watching a seasoned premier league pro playing against a Sunday league team!! The three guys are fantastic broadcasters but I don’t think he answered a single question asked. He did however get across his sheer love for the game, his passion for what he does and his obvious intelligence and empathy. Great interview chaps.

@Daffy0208 Ай бұрын

Sorry ... but I'm not seeing that at all.

@lewisgilbertson7506 Ай бұрын

6:17 the small smile that shows up on micahs face is so genuine

@OfficialFingazMC Ай бұрын

Never read his stuff and I'm not a fan of reporters in general, but this fella seems a good bloke tbf. Good episode nice one lads.

@Ryan-if7ny Ай бұрын

Brilliant episode. Wow, to listen to the experiences is amazing. Thanks guys, as always 👌

@erosion271 Ай бұрын

"how to improve english football" is exactly WHY football is broken. Everything thought it needed to be fixed and got made worse as a result.

@ruaraidhmorrison5879 Ай бұрын

Great comment. Spot on

@ElBarcoGaming Ай бұрын

the grassroots is better than ever and the proof is in the amount of English talent. Non league is stronger than ever too. The issue is around the PL alone imo

@erosion271 Ай бұрын

@@ElBarcoGaming Grassroots is deffo a throwback to the old game and it's not surprising it's getting more popular. Less BS With decisions, no 'objective technology' blame. Just classic footy. If the ref messed up, the ref messed up. chuck some abuse and move on. It's ironically more mature.

@daveyfunk Ай бұрын

exactly this!!! The problems are off the pitch, but attention seems to be about fixing on pitch problems and has actually opened doors for further corruption. Greed and a form of nepotism where football favours the powerful is killing the game. Best use of VAR would have been to stop diving but doesn't get used for that. Diving is the worst part of the on-pitch problems but the bigger factor that's killing the game is the ridiculous inflation caused by greedy agents and players. Fans then get criticised for not going to games where 'normal' people are simply struggling with cost of living and then football clubs charge extortionate prices to fund the greed

@cbc899 Ай бұрын

I would agree with your point that they have made it 'worse'. Watching English football has nearly became unenjoyable but I would disagree with the idea that English football doesn't and hasn't needed improved. English football is and was far from perfect, so there is always areas that could be improved. They have just handled them wrong. Goal line technology was a good addition. VAR has been a disaster but the logic of it, if used correctly for 'clear and obvious' mistakes would make it very useful. Unfortunately they are using it wrong and hopefully this will get fixed. The offside rule has been ridiculous but from next season, I believe that they are using the technology that was used in the World Cup which was very successful. If that's the case then that should also be better and we won't be waiting 3 minutes on an offside decision and when the decision comes it should always be correct.

@frasierfreak92 25 күн бұрын

I don’t like his writing, but I’ve met Henry multiple times and he’s a lovely person, and incredibly passionate about football. Nice to see him acknowledge his privilege and talk about how his point of view has changed after meeting people from different backgrounds through his work.

@tdtm82 28 күн бұрын

Can we get Fabrizio back now it's nearly transfer season please? Really great coverage from Mr Winter.

@StevenMiller-zc5hn Ай бұрын

My favourite sports journalist, always articulate and sensible balanced analysis

@mezza711 Ай бұрын

Henry Winter spent the first 5 minutes dishing out compliments to the hosts. Micah’s first question: “what makes you so likeable?” 🤔😂

@WaniZame Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 exactly what I thought.

@Daffy0208 Ай бұрын

Yip .... not buying it at all. It was making me feel sick.

@daniel4224 Ай бұрын

@@Daffy0208 me too. had to switch off the vid after 7 minutes

@trevoroconnor7133 Ай бұрын

Micah hasn’t a clue what’s going on

@19nick57 28 күн бұрын

Yup, there was something almost unsettling about his adopting a lower-than-thou stance whilst simultaneously stroking egos and dishing out (well researched) facts as compliments. Made me feel uncomfortable. .

@ali-yp3yw Ай бұрын

It is always a pleasure to hear from the Winter brothers!

@kerrwells 28 күн бұрын

Mike and Bernie

@alaskanmalamute101 Ай бұрын

Thought it was Simon Jordan at first..thank god it's not can't stand that arrogant 🤬😆

@thetruth1862 Ай бұрын

🤣

@realtalk8665 Ай бұрын

He is the worst of the worst

@arizonafc-tw6se Ай бұрын

He's actually meant to be sound off camera - don't judge a book by its cover as they say

@realtalk8665 Ай бұрын

@@arizonafc-tw6se he demonizes footballers like Sterling Rashford and Salah for shock value for his talksport demographic. Cheap and classless for someone who act like he is the embodiment of excellence.

@arizonafc-tw6se Ай бұрын

@realtalk8665 well the 3 of them are shite this season we built up all 3 over the years so a bit of stick is deserved

@rhubarbs Ай бұрын

brilliant episode

@Mksin42 Ай бұрын

What a great show and a superb guest

@ThereAndBenAgain Ай бұрын

Great to hear Henry on the pod. One of the only paper journos worth listening to. I can see him joining The Athletic soon and look forward to reading more from him

@williamhargrave9202 Ай бұрын

One of the best pods, brilliant.😎

@AwakeningFromADream Ай бұрын

6am release? thank you ver much

@iainfenton4671 Ай бұрын

We are so consumed with making everything perfect and error-free which is just impossible to do.

@WeAreWombwellMain Ай бұрын

Outstanding interview

@StevenHadfield Ай бұрын

Replace the spineless bureaucrats at FA, PL, EFL, who punish real, match attending supporters for the results of their own failings, and subjecting them to crap like VAR. Put community clubs and proper supporters first. Never mentioned in the FA cup replay debate is the positive experience of an forcing an away leg at ground you'll never visit or seeing a big club on your own turf. Which can swell a crowd and give people their first live match experience. PUT SUPPORTERS FIRST And I mean supporters - Someone who physically turns up and supports the team, everyone else are fans.

@nickm8874 Ай бұрын

Well said. But I’m not even sure some of the rest are fans, mate. Attention seeking internet celebrities these days …

@cassidinho Ай бұрын

Brilliantly asked question from Big Meeks. Well answered by Henry

@jackbroughton1045 Ай бұрын

love the pod guyss

@jsss3604 Ай бұрын

I wana see Micah and Big Narstie have a laugh off.

@karlportsmouth5571 Ай бұрын

That was brilliant

@suntzu1550 Ай бұрын

Henry is a top top journalist. The times must be mad.

@michaelkneale3825 Ай бұрын

Jesus! You three have just found the person to run your fan clubs!

@janvanveelen Ай бұрын

Jesus does not do fan clubs.

@willtallis5275 Ай бұрын

@@janvanveelenyes he does the Christian fan club

@joeboygypsy Ай бұрын

Met Henry winter once at Elland road. Very nice guy

@kkhera3730 19 күн бұрын

Always loved his reports, great writer, top bloke 👏 👍

@marchirving7316 23 күн бұрын

Great interview.

@JRD616 Ай бұрын

My favourite guest! Love Henry!

@royhammond2232 Ай бұрын

How do you get that headline? No mention of it

@bruce_leon1044 Ай бұрын

What a headline! This is sure to anger a few people 😂

@neilb224 Ай бұрын

I’m not that keen on posh people, but I do like Henry. An interesting, intelligent man who knows the game inside out, and someone whose opinions I respect and admire.

@binzy698 Ай бұрын

Probably the Goat. Met him at wembley nearly 20 years ago at an England training session, seemed a nice fella

@stevegoldy2196 Ай бұрын

Would love to see you get Brian Glanville on the podcast

@nikiguymer5840 Ай бұрын

Great call😃

@chrismiller6317 Ай бұрын

Brilliant interview lads,Henry is a cut above the rest 👏👏👍👍

@jaysenjohn304 Ай бұрын

He’s one of the normal ones.

@xcroc9815 Ай бұрын

Love the pod but intrigued why you decided to change the title for this one ?

@therestisfootball Ай бұрын

We try to pick a title / topic from the podcast that works for KZfaq's recommendation algorithm. The audio podcast title doesn't always work for KZfaq. So we make changes based on the different topics the podcast covers. YT Admin.

@pgc99 Ай бұрын

@@therestisfootballso, you know that Ferguson (or anything related to Man United) will generate more views? Nothing wrong with that of course, but why not just say it 😂

@housefire123123 Ай бұрын

@@pgc99 spot on 😅

@iainamurray Ай бұрын

What an amazing man. I didn’t really know much about him.

@antmanandthecod6073 Ай бұрын

They say remove the extra games from FA cup replays. These three back it but then ignore the fact the champions league will be more games under the new format and the prem openly saying there’s a chance of playing games in usa

@willtallis5275 Ай бұрын

The USA game thing won’t happen the clubs wouldn’t get away with that not for a league game anyway but there so obsessed with America and how they do sports it’s clouding there judgement they want to make it a concert with performances at half time and lots of stuff like that but I don’t go to watch football to see a half time show I go to watch the team I love with fellow fans not because it a show I go becuzse I love my club and the game and if they do do it with prem teams it wouldn’t be long before the championship would have to do the same thing and can you imagine a smaller club with a smaller budget having a home game moved to the USA and lose out on all the gate money at the ground not a chance they don’t need prem games they have access to our 3pm games that we do not have access to they also have there own leagues in the mls so they don’t need more exposure they have Messi playing there for Christ sake that’s enough PR for them to last a lifetime there just about to have the next World Cup aswel literally covering all of the America’s and Canada I can’t see it happening

@maximelia Ай бұрын

Gary’s microphone volume is quite low at times.

@Umair114ahmed Ай бұрын

Hes Sheikh Abdul Hakim Murad's brother!? That's crazy. I'm listening to him talk and I'm like he sounds so much like the sheikh, and then he mentions his brother being a Muslim cleric and I'm like whaaat.. Very eloquent speakers both of them. This is perfect, both religions of mine being covered by brothers😂

@user-ce7dv2ti5w Ай бұрын

Gary Lineker, top show by the way. How about in the next show, a mention for the new Scottish PFA Player of the Year award winner, Laurence Shankland of Hearts. He has scored 28 goals so far this season in competitive matches and he is the first non old firm winner of the award since 2013. Have any of you lads seen his play/goals this season, what do you think of him? Keep up the good work, plenty laughs

@Rafflewafflez Ай бұрын

The first 10 minutes seems like the guest is getting the trios rocks off lol

@nicknewman7848 Ай бұрын

It's going to be bloody Portugal, Henry.. I can feel it in my bones.

@ronakjoshi5198 Ай бұрын

Henry’s take on the Glazers is 100% on the money!!!

@realtalk8665 Ай бұрын

A fan of Winter articles and his appearance on hold the back page. One my favorite pieces was his Liverpool Anfield win over Chelsea in 2005.

@Jasbir51 Ай бұрын

Great interview! What a guy! But why the clickbait title? Title doesn’t do justice to the great conversation and man here!

@Libya4LY Ай бұрын

FUN FACT! For the Muslims; Abdal Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter) is his brother. One of the most prominent Muslim scholars in the English speaking world today, and the world in general. Highly respected and knowledgeable man. One of the leaders of the Muslim Ummah (Nation). If you’re non Muslim, I recommend listening to him speak. Muslims too of course lol. If you’ve read a book by Imam Al Ghazali in English, he probably translated it. He mentions his brother in the vid lol.

@alidaniels2487 Ай бұрын

😳 al-hamidu-il'allah, he was at my shahada 25 years ago. I was told in hushed tones about his encyclopaedic knowledge and the huge amount of respect he is shown not just in the convert community but the whole Muslim Community as a whole. An amazing, humble, likeable and deeply intelligent man, just like his brother it seems. Great episode of the pod guys, keep it up!!

@alfredthegreat9543 29 күн бұрын

Also read Lord of the Rings by JRR Tolkein, another epic work of fiction.

@bigrandomun9267 29 күн бұрын

Netherlands and Spain will be shocks in the tournament. Both teams have made insane improvements since the last tournament and boast some of the best players and some of the best young talent around. Frimpong, Maatsen, Van Dijk, Ake, Yamal, Cubarsi, Pedri, Grimaldo. Some of these players have had the best seasons of their lives, not considering either team is ridiculous to me.

@JuddLofthouse Ай бұрын

That was cool

@tonypoole9493 Ай бұрын

What an interesting intelligent guy 👍

@eamonnpotts5063 Ай бұрын

What absolute nonesense! SAF doesn’t get the level of success he had if he was tactically inept!

@deppyboi Ай бұрын

Take it you didn't watch a minute of the video then

@user-dw4bp7lz1j Ай бұрын

Phil Thompson sounds different

@nickm8874 Ай бұрын

Assume Henry meant Ronnie Moran not Mourinho? Incredible segment, that … not a criticism just a slip of the tongue

@RichieMacMr 27 күн бұрын

Marina, Kenny's wife

@indianrunner666 Ай бұрын

Lo banco, yo primero hincha del tricampeón Argentina y después de mi equipo Argentinos Juniors (de donde salió Maradona)

@markbradley5030 Ай бұрын

If clubs are really concerned about playing too many games, stop summer tours. Oh guess what these make lots of money, so maybe not!

@user-qq5oj3gw2e Ай бұрын

a small percentage of footballers do work for local communities etc... it is the same in the real world people go the extra mile whilst holding down a full time job and probably get no recognition whatsoever please don't inflate the egos of footballers past and present even more cheers

@WaniZame Ай бұрын

I thought this listening. I don’t want to shit on people doing a good thing but it is one of my problems with Henry. He overstates the importance of players and their contributions to society.

@fullydavid Ай бұрын

Anyone else find this unlistenable? I turned off after about 10 mins - just an insufferable lovein

@Northumberlandgeordie Ай бұрын

Am I missing the point here? Surely, the lower league clubs would rather go away to the bigger ground and collect all the revenue

@mindsai7 Ай бұрын

He was right. Ferguson WAS tactically inept. Two late miraculous goals doesn’t change that.

@jonathanheywood5482 17 күн бұрын

Henry winter reminding people how little he knows here, why didn't he just say he didn't anyone to read his stuff or believe his words anymore rather than this self burial

@daveyfunk Ай бұрын

The problems are off the pitch, but attention seems to be about fixing on pitch problems and has actually opened doors for further corruption. Greed and a form of nepotism where football favours the powerful is killing the game. Best use of VAR would have been to stop diving but doesn't get used for that. Diving is the worst part of the on-pitch problems but the bigger factor that's killing the game is the ridiculous inflation caused by greedy agents and players. Fans then get criticised for not going to games where 'normal' people are simply struggling with cost of living and then football clubs charge extortionate prices to fund the greed

@nimascolari1508 Ай бұрын

How to fix global football? Introduce salary caps so that teams with insane revenue due to their history can't dominate. FFP is designed for the wealthy teams. Not Fairplay. Also, let Turkey, Greece have automatic champions league spots. Not Italy 6 😂 I'm Italian btw but I miss the days of Galatasaray and Olympiacos facing off. The financial corruption is disgusting. Forest and Everton penalised over a handful of issues. Leeds decimated over the last 2 decades but city and 115+ dodgy dealings go on to win trebles? Yes, FFP all the way. 🤮

@pr9601 Ай бұрын

Excellent interview!!

@PontilMarx Ай бұрын

and then the journalist said "we're sort of moving in to a bit more a of clickbait era", your honour

@seanfitzgerald8575 Ай бұрын

He is blowing air up their holes no wonder spoiled footballers get on with him.

@stevengreenstock6095 Ай бұрын

Look at facts rather than emotion. Barely any club has benefitted from FA cup replays in the last 20 years. Football got ill in 1992, been on life support ever since, long gone is the working man's game

@user-dm2nx4yu5o Ай бұрын

Clubs actually stand a better chance of progressing now

@STST Ай бұрын

I dont think you quite get the argument. Its not about going on to win or progress further. Its about the players from lower legaues to be able to play in huge stadiums. Its also mostly about money. Many teams have been kept running by the revenue a replay can make them. New stands, New pitches. Its more about that side of it.

@daviebananas1735 Ай бұрын

Simply don’t trust any football fan who claims to not have a team. Absolute nonsense. Football is ALL about your team.

@Pininfarina81 Ай бұрын

Honestly, this guy is saying how hard footballers work?

@dman9152 Ай бұрын

Would be Mr ferguson in today's era.

@user-zt9it5ke1d Ай бұрын

Most football journalists ask the most stupid questions

@mattyaztec Ай бұрын

Yet all you 3 do is talk about the top 4-6 you only occasionally talk about the championship because Leicester are in it now they’ve been promoted you won’t speak about that league now and do you guys even know there’s a few leagues below that? Point is it starts with the media and pundits like yourself who have huge platforms

@REALpineEATER Ай бұрын

hi :D

@strickers07 Ай бұрын

is there going to be a time where you guys can get through an episode without shitting on united or using us as the title to click bait, just a reminder man utd have finished above newcastle last season and possibly this and man united havent been relegated from the premier league unlike all of your teams

@englishjona6458 Ай бұрын

All we want was goal line technology, not var and as far as I’m concerned it’s a tool to fix games sorry the FA is more corrupt than FIFA (don’t believe me) then why are the premier league referees not members of fifa or UEFA and can’t referee in Europe?????? WHY IS THAT 🤔

@andrewharrison7767 Ай бұрын

you realise Anthony Taylor refereed the champions league semi final & is fifa registered, so going to the euros right?

@markh5461 25 күн бұрын

If these footballers dont already think their special, give it a break, we all just human beings

@neilg6675 Ай бұрын

I'm sure sir Alex has more going on in his life than worrying about the opinions of a pretty poor journalist.

@Stuffthatsfunny1 Ай бұрын

18:40 how the hell can you not want a regulator?

@BeanMcDean Ай бұрын

Beans for sale

@TheKingOfBeans Ай бұрын

How much

@BeanMcDean Ай бұрын

@@TheKingOfBeans 6

@chrisknight2631 Ай бұрын

I like Henry but he’s dead wrong. All professional footballers are lucky. Of course they work hard - a lot of us do. Doesn’t mean they’re not lucky. Saying it was just their hard work implies that the millions/billions of others who aren’t footballers or millionaires don’t work hard. “You’re poor? Well, why not work a bit harder and you’ll be loaded in a few months!” It’s such a lazy thing to say and he’s either 100% blowing smoke up their arses or he’s just proving that he’s a product of his environment.

@LoneRangerG5 Ай бұрын

I 100% agree. I’m not a sportsman but I am very lucky to be successful in my career. Obviously a great work ethic and being a genuine person has contributed...but luck has been a massive part. Right place, right time...that kind of thing. I get what he was trying to say but I think you’re right, product of his environment. I do genuinely like him though, he speaks well but he can’t possibly understand.

@bigmikel2190 Ай бұрын

First comment … Alan can I get an autograph lol

@Kurgan618 Ай бұрын

Distinguished career ... and he's just been laid off

@dfir2570 Ай бұрын

Henry Winter is a nauseating sycophant

@Shaggy-8392 17 күн бұрын

Adam West still excelling in parody.

@FutureHutcHy 28 күн бұрын

Clickbait title. Great journalisming

@shaba.N1 Ай бұрын

Fascinating listening to Henry Winters. Especially with the caveat of knowing of his brother. Who is also a well-respected muslim scholar, as he touched on. Both amazing individuals in different domains.

@JG-jc8dm Ай бұрын

"Woke" has been weaponised over the last few years. It used to very much be seen as a positive thing - caring about social issues, showing compassion and just generally not being a twat. Now it's come to be a slur.

@MartinGreen932 Ай бұрын

Woke has nothing to do with compassion. It is an obsession with gender, race and sex. It has led to quoters and `positive discrimination' - which is basically reverse racism. Biological men competing in women's sport, going into women's safe spaces and going into women's prisons. Huge numbers of women and the gay population believe it has done huge damage to progress that has been made on inequality for those groups in recent years. It has also led to thousands of people losing jobs/work because they do not conform to woke ideological but irrational beliefs.

@cbc899 Ай бұрын

26:50 'Ferguson tactically inept,' 'what was he playing at' and changing '900 words criticising Ferguson' to everything being changed in the blink of an eye over 2 last minute goals. Understandably the headlines will change because the outcome changed but the the performance and tactics through the game were still the same. Did his 900 words of criticism turn into 900 words of praise because if so, the praise and the article wouldn't be very genuine. I get he can't have a full article criticising the new Champions of Europe but I wonder how much of the initial criticism remained. Not getting at him, just genuinely curious.