BBC Micro - Part One

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The Retro Shack

The Retro Shack

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Hi everyone and welcome part one of a three part series on the BBC Micro where we look at the history of this wonderful micro, tear it down, refurbish and do some preventative maintenance, and finally add in a load of lovely BBC upgrades.
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Thanks for watching!
P.S. At 4.34 I incorrectly refer to the speaker cable as a power cable - sorry :)

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@nordboya1656
@nordboya1656 3 жыл бұрын
I was about 9 years old when my dad brought a BBC Micro B home (he was a maths teacher). I soon was pretty comfortable in using the machine and even learnt some basic. Then my primary school got a computer (one for the whole school!) and I was summoned by the deputy head to help them set it up, and then try and teach them how to use the thing. The teacher soon gave up though, which was good for me as I spent a good amount of time over the last year and a half of primary school effectively being the school's IT classroom assistant and hanging out in the 'computer room' (computer cupboard really) supervising/teaching other kids. Played a lot of chucky egg that year lol.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome :) Thanks for sharing!
@jclosed2516
@jclosed2516 3 жыл бұрын
That BBC BASIC version was in my humble opinion one of the best basic versions at that time. In stead of spaghetti-like (GOTO) programming, it provided you with Procedures and Functions to encourage modular design. The BBC-B micro was my second Acorn computer. I used the Acorn Atom before that, and upgraded that computer with the BBC BASIC ROM, Memory upgrade and Colour upgrade. Good times...
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
@Nord Boya Did you end up in computing as a career? My mum was a primary school teacher so we also got a discount BBC and because of that I ended up a software engineer
@mikeb9281
@mikeb9281 3 жыл бұрын
I repaired loads of these back in the day, love them
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
You and me both :)
@britinindy4255
@britinindy4255 3 жыл бұрын
Knew a guy in New Zealand who started a BBC sales business in the face of the popular Commodore and Sinclair machines. Unfortunately his startup failed. For some reason the BBC did not take of in NZ. Looking forward to seeing your upgrades implemented.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late reply here! Hope you enjoyed the upgrade video :)
@tabsntoot
@tabsntoot 7 ай бұрын
Gosh had these at primary school in late 80s a guy used to come in and teach us tho very occasionally
@bazzingabomb
@bazzingabomb 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing i learned on the BBC micro was how to play the game chuck 'E' egg. Happy memories.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Do you really need more? :)
@retrotechguy
@retrotechguy Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! I’m about to pick up a BBC Micro myself - pretty stoked!
@MikeyGRetro
@MikeyGRetro 3 жыл бұрын
Great restoration video. I briefly remember the BBC Micro at school. I didn't get much time to play on it as there was always someone else on it. On to Part 2...
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you’re enjoying the series :)
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
My mum was a primary school teacher so we owned one because that gave her access to them at a serious discount. We followed it up with an A3000 when that launched, I took my A3000 to university to do word processing with our 9 pin colour dot matrix in 1997!
@haydenduvall162
@haydenduvall162 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic content - please keep it coming.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much - I’ll do my best :)
@herrbonk3635
@herrbonk3635 3 жыл бұрын
4:55 I appreciate that you call it the main board instead of that bizarre "mother" stuff (that far to many people today thinks means printed circuit board).
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
I think there's a case for 'Motherboard' when there are clearly options to fit 'Daughterboards' - but I tend to use 'Mainboard' most of the time :)
@herrbonk3635
@herrbonk3635 3 жыл бұрын
​@@TheRetroShack Exactly. When its main purpose is to hold daughterboards, it's a motherboard. Otherwise it's just a printed circuit board (or more specifically a mainbord, system board, computer board/card, and so on). Too many people would today use the term "motherboard" even for the pcb in a mobile, a printer, a modem, a graphics card and similar. That kind of sloppy semantic drift actually destroys language (whatever the postmodernists say).
@SpeccyMan
@SpeccyMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@herrbonk3635 Too many people today use it's instead of its! i.e. its main purpose (and not it's which is the contraction of "it is" instead of the correct possessive pronoun.)
@herrbonk3635
@herrbonk3635 2 жыл бұрын
@@SpeccyMan I know, and corrected the typo. I see 'they're', 'their' and 'there' mixed up all the time, even 'then' for 'than'. And that's usually from people with English as their mother tongue.
@simonzinc-trumpetharris852
@simonzinc-trumpetharris852 8 ай бұрын
I still miss my old Beeb...
@omarjanudin
@omarjanudin 2 жыл бұрын
Love this microcomputer..my 1st computer
@kevinharrison4909
@kevinharrison4909 5 ай бұрын
I remember program listings being broadcast by teletext download., amd causing a prank in the school computer room with *motor on off commands on a repeat loop creating an awful grinding noise that nobody knew where it was coming from and running off.
@booboyBL
@booboyBL 3 жыл бұрын
I have 2 of the Beeb Model Bs and a (fully pimped) Master 128. I well remember the struggle with the power plug :-) My computing history goes back to before the Beeb, starting with a Commodore PET, then a Beeb, (which was eventually donated to a local school when I bought my first PC), and now I'm a Mac user. The 2 BEEBs I now have were bought for £1 at a ham radio junk sale, about 15 years ago. The PSUs for both have been recently recapped and are fully functional, with extras. The Master 128 has a Gotek floppy emulator, a micro SPI adapter, a Retroclinic Data Centre, switchable Multi-OS ROM, and multi co-processor (based on a pi Zero). I also have 2 'proper' 5.25" floppy drives, but I don't really use them much since I got the Gotek. The BBC computers were fantastically expandable, an area where most of the competitors at the time were lacking
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Then you sir, are going to like next week’s video very much :) Thanks for watching the channel!
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
I also have a pretty Gucci Master 128. I intend to design some cartridges for it though, something you hardly ever saw used, those mysterious slots on the Master! I'm thinking a Yamaha FM Sound Cartridge and then a game that uses it. Because I _think_ this will leave you with all the RAM free rather than having to fit the game in RAM.
@TheAMGReviewers
@TheAMGReviewers 3 жыл бұрын
haha IC69...nice EDIT: also really nice calming voice and music. thanks *makes subscription noises*
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Lol - thanks for the sub :)
@trickysoft
@trickysoft 3 жыл бұрын
That little per cable as I'm sure you know is the speaker cable and quite easy to forget when you put the machine back together. If the keyboard is left disconnected, the machine won't boot. There are lots of reports of people snapping of the power connectors, so take care everyone, although replacements are cheap, they will require soldering. If you don't fancy soldering and don't plan on using composite, the wire to the center of the composite connector can be shipped and the connector unscrewed. The weird are long enough to get the board out without removal, but you still have a board and case connected by sorry wires. If you snoop it, make sure that it won't sorry against anything. One last thing, the analogue/joystick port can be screwed in which will also keep the board held in. These screws are very easy to strip if they haven't already been by overly excited kids plugging in joysticks or classroom experiments.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure why, but lost the reply to this comment when the channel moved - Anyway, not ignoring you and yes, you were right about the speaker cable :)
@stephenelliott7071
@stephenelliott7071 3 жыл бұрын
Well timed I just received my BBC B purchase from ebay! Back then I owned a ZX Spectrum.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
You’ll love it :) So far ahead of it’s time! :)
@ASCIITerminal
@ASCIITerminal 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic machines and ridiculously over specified - Developing these must have been an engineer's dream!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Yep - I think the whole BBC Micro was so versatile it was like the Raspberry Pi of it's day :)
@glxxyz
@glxxyz Жыл бұрын
​@@TheRetroShack could have been called the Raspberry Costco Slab Cake
@MostlyPennyCat
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
​@@TheRetroShack With all that ADC and GPIO, absolutely! I think it lacked a DAC though, so no analogue out pins. The cartridge slots on the Master had audio in and out but it's just audio, you can't access it digitally. I bought a refurbished Master 128 (it's beautifully done too) recently and I intend to design a sound cartridge for it using a Yamaha FM synth chip and mix it in using those sound pins. That will also add a few PCM channels! 😂
@rogerorchard2317
@rogerorchard2317 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I will have to fund come pic for you, my dad was 1 of the BBC eng team, who worked on the spec and testing of the BBC Micro, I have the 1 of the BBC prototypes in my stores somewhere. its SN is lower than the 1 in ARMs has. I need to check if it is the issue 1, 2 or 3 board, and when my dad took the first 1 (the veroboard in the rack) for a few weeks, so how children got on with using put, at the age of 6 or 7 we did not understand how important the rack of wire was and how it would change the world.
@trickysoft
@trickysoft 3 жыл бұрын
Would you also be interested in sharing your story over at stardot.org.uk/forums which is probably the best site for all things Acorn.?
@qo92
@qo92 3 жыл бұрын
Roger, definitely - if you can dig that pic out it would be very interesting!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sending in those pictures Roger - Much appreciated!
@qo92
@qo92 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack Would it be possible to see those pics somewhere?
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
@@qo92 They’ll be making there way somewhere soon ;)
@GamerSpencer
@GamerSpencer 3 жыл бұрын
Micro Men was a BBC4, not Channel 4 TV Movie :)
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed it was - sorry about that :)
@GamerSpencer
@GamerSpencer 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack happens! I’ve watched it many times, practically know it word for word. It’s on KZfaq now free to watch!
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
@@GamerSpencer That’s where I watched it :) Probably helped in the confusion :)
@SimonEllwood
@SimonEllwood 3 жыл бұрын
You can use MMFS or MMFS2 ROMs with the SDCARD adapter.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
I went with the MMFS in the end :)
@retrogamestudios6688
@retrogamestudios6688 Жыл бұрын
So Sinclair was the other side of the ponds apple?
@andrewharwood7843
@andrewharwood7843 3 жыл бұрын
?&fe62 not a random string of characters but my entry to BBC poke commands and the user port. A string of LEDs that I could control blew my 10yr old mind and is undoubtedly associated with my adult love of computing.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Lol - Amazing how we remember these things! :)
@bobochimp22
@bobochimp22 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video look forward to others, think you mistook the speaker connector for a power connector just a slip of the tongue im sure
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure why, but lost the reply to this comment when the channel moved - Anyway, not ignoring you and yes, you were right :)
@bierundkippen720
@bierundkippen720 7 ай бұрын
So, you show off the internal hardware and the connections to the peripherals here, but what I really miss is the software perspective. What’s the memory map of the Micro and how does it work at all? That’s missing to make it a real documentary of the BBC Micro.
@Lucretia9000
@Lucretia9000 3 жыл бұрын
What about the 3 blue chip sockets next to the roms? What are they for?
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
All is revealed in part three - pop off and watch that :) :)
@rsg1296
@rsg1296 3 жыл бұрын
When is the next chapter? Thx.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Here you go :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o96CfKVe37DUp4U.html
@ms-ex8em
@ms-ex8em 8 ай бұрын
can someone maybe type in a bbc micro version of donkey king or donkey kong from the dragon 32 ?? thanks with a green background to it ?? thanks
@simmadpaul2880
@simmadpaul2880 7 ай бұрын
My school didn't allow any pupil not in the top maths group to even see a computer let alone touch them. I'm still angry about it to this day. I went on to be a software engineer not bad for someone crap at maths.
@del7538
@del7538 3 жыл бұрын
That excellent Horizon documentary was on KZfaq but seems to have vanished.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried looking on the Computer Literacy Project Website? I think a lot of the old programs are up on there.
@del7538
@del7538 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack Yep, found it. Thanks for the heads up.
@gregoryhayball
@gregoryhayball 3 жыл бұрын
Being able to define procedures and functions with Def Proc and Def Fn was great but ugh, wasn't a fan of that envelope command.
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
My first introduction to procedures and functions having come from Sinclair Basic :)
@gregoryhayball
@gregoryhayball 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack Although I had a ZX Spectrum 48k, I didn't do much programming on it but I learnt on a ZX-81. Sinclair Basic was ok. Better than a reliance on peek and poke to do simple things like change background and border colours on the Commodore machines. Glad to find a fellow Spectrum owner here :-).
@chrisrobson8540
@chrisrobson8540 3 жыл бұрын
40 odd years of kids mucky fingers.....ewwwww lol QC by judith it would appear nice looking screwdriver.......details please 😉
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
:) Screwdriver is from my 'Tool Kit For Laptops, Smartphones and Tablets' set from Startech.com - I swear by it :)
@TheSulross
@TheSulross 3 жыл бұрын
lets face it Apple fan boys, the Brit's BBC micro was a cooler design than the Apple II given its features and capabilities - and it was built like a Centurion tank
@TheRetroShack
@TheRetroShack 3 жыл бұрын
I’m certainly not going to argue about the build quality of these things - they were designed to withstand thousands of kids prodding them every day - even a tank would crumble under that :)
@TheSulross
@TheSulross 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRetroShack and BBC BASIC was a rather better BASIC than what Apple ultimately licensed from Bill Gates to replace the Woz's integer BASIC
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