Medieval Spain, 711-1492

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Thersites the Historian

Thersites the Historian

Күн бұрын

In this video I lay out an outline of medieval Spain from 711-1492. I draw attention to the major political events of this time period and challenge the traditional narrative of the Reconquista.

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@roicervino6171
@roicervino6171 5 жыл бұрын
The fact that the northwest survived (beyond specific Musilim raids and attacks) shows two things: 1)The Witizan faction of the Gothic Kingdom retained their strongpost in the peripheral parts of the peninsula. 2) The power structures and implantation of the Suebi in the northwest was way more solid and valid that those of the Visigoths. In fact, the continuity of the division and administration of the land in Gallaecia carried by the Suebian kings can be seen in documents through all the High Middle Ages.
@davsalda
@davsalda 6 жыл бұрын
Great lecture! Just one critique that I would like to ramble on about... It seems to still give the popular impression of an Andalusian kumbaya paradise of equality between Moors/Muslims, Latins/Christmas and Jews in the Iberian peninsula which seems dated now. In my humble opinion a more detailed video or series of videos like the ones you did on the Byzantine Empire would have given a clearer picture of this complex time period of the peninsula. For one, the conquering Muslims implemented several laws, not just the ONE about Christian men banned from marrying Muslim women, that made non-Muslims into third class citizens (second class citizens being those who converted to Islam). Consequently this helps explain why non-Muslims would have the incentive to convert to Islam. Admittedly it is a loaded topic which is hard to keep objective when one starts to throw in religions into the mix. Also, something that I think helps demystify this time period is the fact that the Arabs, like Turks, were nomadic like peoples, who when conquering urban civilizations would absorb and/or implement aspects of those conquered civilizations. Keeping that in mind helps illustrate a more pragmatic/realistic picture of what it was really like back then such as your example with El Cid. The Moors/Muslims incorporated Christians and Jews into their administration, but they did so as overlords utilizing useful subjects to help them rule and not as equals (lose parallel to Janissaries: Christian boy slaves who become incorporated into the master's culture/religion). An interesting example of the Moors/Muslims incorporating elements of the conquered Latin/Visigothic culture in the Iberian peninsula can be found in architecture; those famous arches of the mosque of Cordoba, the builders got those arches from the Romanesque architecture of the Visigoths, who got it from the collapsed Western Roman Empire, and those same striped arches can be found in the capital of the surviving sister empire to the east, Constantinople. The last thing I'll ramble on about because I have become a fan of your chanel, is that your mention of the Spanish language not being the same after the Moorish invasion...is kind of misleading, if I got your meaning. I can say as a fluent Spanish speaker (and linguistic enthusiast) that the influence of the Arabic language on Castilian/Spanish, and for that matter Portuguese and Catalan, was less than the effect French had on English after the Norman invasion (look at how different Old English is from Middle English). Castilian/Spanish remains a thorough romance language directly descended from the vulgar Latin spoken in the Roman province of Hispania. The influence of Arabic was adding vocabulary to these languages (in Spanish almost all words that start with 'Al'). Out of all romance languages (including Portuguese, French, Romanian, etc) Spanish is the most similar phonetically to Italian which is essentially modern Latin (Latin is not really a dead language people, it simply evolved). Interesting side note: the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain who went on to live in Eastern Europe and Turkey and are now mostly in Israel, to this this day, speak a medieval version of Spanish which they call Ladino (cognate of Latino or in English Latin) which remains very little changed from modern Castilian/Spanish.
@LionKing-ew9rm
@LionKing-ew9rm 6 жыл бұрын
Well, all cultures effects others, Persian Gardens in Spain that went to Spain through a third party (the Arab/Moors) is a very good example. and we should not compare Medieval Andalus, with the standards of today's Sweden! In it's era, Andalus WAS a great place (comparing to other parts of the word)
@roicervino6171
@roicervino6171 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
@@LionKing-ew9rm No. The slavery in Al Andalus was the main source of wealth. The economy in a big part was human meat trade.
@redafm4505
@redafm4505 4 жыл бұрын
Fernando García Orza that was no different than any other part of the world slaves have and still will forever be a part of humanity. Al-Andalus was a much more tolerant place than let’s say the rest of medieval Europe where being non-Christian would mean living in ghettos or being killed in a inquisition.
@theperson8275
@theperson8275 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@daya820
@daya820 5 жыл бұрын
I loved this lecture, very well explained. Thank you
@ronnies6811
@ronnies6811 6 жыл бұрын
You do great lectures. Very informative and well explained
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
Did you know the name of León (city and kingdom) comes from the Roman legion stationed there? Legión -> León
@SidheKnight
@SidheKnight 5 жыл бұрын
Huh, I thought it was because of lions (León is Spanish for Lion, after all).
@ppaaccoojrf
@ppaaccoojrf 4 жыл бұрын
@@SidheKnight That's probably the folk etymology that they believed (as shown by their symbol). Same thing happened with the Rooster as the symbol for France, believing it came from the Gauls through the name.
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 2 жыл бұрын
@@ppaaccoojrf I thought it comes from religious symbolism. I was going to write a whole large comment, but I realised it's easier and faster for everyone if i just recommend the TedX video about chickens
@BloodFangRogue1
@BloodFangRogue1 4 ай бұрын
And Paris was an old Roman fortification called lutetia, and London was a Roman fortification called londinium
@micheltessier1114
@micheltessier1114 3 ай бұрын
@@BloodFangRogue1 But Lutetia was a gallic town predating the roman conquest.
@kevinwong194
@kevinwong194 2 жыл бұрын
This is my new favorite channel, 10/10
@panatypical
@panatypical Жыл бұрын
Pretty good offering, helps to fill in a few of the blanks I've had about the history of the region during this period,
@ElNietodelAhuizote
@ElNietodelAhuizote 4 жыл бұрын
"...and in true medieval fashion these so-called parliaments are really just gatherings of nobles and have nothing in common with a modern parliament..." 😂😂😂
@alexlollar3293
@alexlollar3293 2 жыл бұрын
The more things change the more things stay the same.
@ippapp2
@ippapp2 Жыл бұрын
Amazing content man. I'm in love with your videos. They feed my 🧠. I would be glad to pay a Patreon to support you
@hedylamar1668
@hedylamar1668 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this; worthy of seminary. Very enjoyable. (Navarre is pronounced Navar, Algarve = Algarv - please don't think I am a pedant - I am quarter Spanish - I could never put this fascinating monologue together). Please do more. Love Hedy.
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Hedy. I'm glad that you liked the video.
@nicholasjackson358
@nicholasjackson358 6 жыл бұрын
Why did you use a semicolon? Those aren't two stand alone sentences.
@ppaaccoojrf
@ppaaccoojrf 4 жыл бұрын
@Keith Busch And Navarra is the name of the region in Spanish. Navarre is probably the French version, which of course became also the English version of the name.
@danrather2450
@danrather2450 Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasjackson358 shut up nerd
@ME-zb3gq
@ME-zb3gq 5 жыл бұрын
Just here to see who took my ancestors but great lecture my man good information...need more like you
@robertnoonan9555
@robertnoonan9555 2 жыл бұрын
excellent lecture! gracias
@g-rexsaurus794
@g-rexsaurus794 6 жыл бұрын
You are citing the Almoravids as a potential reason for why the Christian converted durign the 10-11th centuries, but this period coincides more with the peak of Cordoba and taifa period, not with Almoravid rule.
@Walgriff
@Walgriff 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@tristanbastille8554
@tristanbastille8554 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video man. But maybe add more stuff about El Cid, very fascinating dude. A whole video about him by you would be pretty cool.
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
I'll consider it for sure. I would need to read the Poem of the Cid, but that is something that I would be interested in.
@ArchYeomans
@ArchYeomans 6 жыл бұрын
William of Gellone is fascinating too, a bit earlier, he was instrumental in conquering Barcino/Barcelona from the Moors. This is also the guy who helped inspire Dan Brown to create the myth of the Holy Grail in the DaVinci Code movie. Also, I wished there was more info on Wilfred the Hairy because Catalan legend states the La Senyera or the Catalan flags 4 red bars were from his dying hands as he swiped his fingers down a golden shield. Obviously, probably a concocted story but nonetheless the La Senyera is an ancient flag (one of the oldest in Europe).
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
@@ThersitestheHistorian I don´t think you have to, to treat the historic character. The poem, obviously, ideallizes him and mixes historic peoples with fictional ones. But if you enjoy epic poetry... Thanks for the videos btw!
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
@@ArchYeomans I think you mistake el Cid fot some other. There is nothing about him conquering Barcelona, he conquered Valencia and was fighting the Counts of Barcelona. what type of books do you read? Da Vinci Code???
@cnacma
@cnacma 4 жыл бұрын
Really good video, but you butchered the region names so bad. “The region of navariiii” 😂🤣😂
@greencasd89
@greencasd89 4 жыл бұрын
Who fucking cares!
@Tiranice
@Tiranice 3 жыл бұрын
The Basque who live there.
@greencasd89
@greencasd89 3 жыл бұрын
@Tom Pryor I speak Spanish, French and English. So I'm not so picky about the exact wordings as long as you get the person point. People become to nip picky on wording without focusing on the main point of the story. Not every creator on KZfaq is going to be perfect. I made mistakes all the time in all three languages but I can speak them and that's the main point. People like you are language Nazi. Just because you speak one language you get all butt hurt at others that try! Fuck off
@nickcollier8622
@nickcollier8622 3 жыл бұрын
The Navariiii thing really did make me grit my teeth each time. I’m normally not a huge stickler for pronunciation but several in this vid did bug me quite a bit. They aren’t very difficult to get correct and i found it took away from what was otherwise a very good and informative video. I really don’t want to come across as a hater here, I legitimately enjoyed the content. Just please, next time at least acknowledge the proper pronunciation and people will be a little more forgiving for your choice to anglicize it.
@Tiranice
@Tiranice 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, that is the correct Latin pronunciation. It wouldn't have been strange to hear someone at the time call it that.
@KaylDunnyan
@KaylDunnyan 6 жыл бұрын
It wasn't the caliphate that took the beating, it was the 20 + taifa petty kingdoms that lost territory after a long civil war since the death of the last legitimate Caliph Hisham II. It was the taifa kingdoms that invited the Almoravids to defend them, almost a century after the the (fitnah) - series of civil wars that marked the death of the caliphate and the emergence of dozens of petty kingdoms and city states- started.It's a shame that you missed that chapter since it's the most important and interesting. That gave timeline has several major chronological and factual inaccuracies on the Al Andalus side.and several missed chapters which adds further,as well as non chronological maps , you're following the spanish side more or less chronologically though.
@univegalogistica4544
@univegalogistica4544 5 жыл бұрын
what happends to the muslims is what happend to the visigoths. civil wars and divisions. vidigoths lost to the muslims because of this and the muslims lost for the same reason
@tommyodonovan3883
@tommyodonovan3883 3 жыл бұрын
@@univegalogistica4544, it has happened to every empire....the warriors from the badland attack the rich soft civilised peoples, kill/conquer/enslave/.... And after 50 to100yrs or so they too become soft/fat/rich and are conquered in their turn. See the poems/Songs *"We Didn't Start the FIRE!"* -Billy Joel *"Do the Evolution"* -Pearl Jam
@rogelioalonzo2911
@rogelioalonzo2911 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this
@rogelioalonzo2911
@rogelioalonzo2911 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh a video on the Reconquista
@mokkaveli
@mokkaveli 3 жыл бұрын
Why did the naming traditions of the Visigoths change so much after the Arab conquest? What was the process happening there?
@johnanita9251
@johnanita9251 3 жыл бұрын
Good question. There is very limited sources available in that period. I guess the visigoths were an "elite", so there naming didn't hang in a major roman society. I wonder where the name Sancho comes from. Doesn't sound roman or visigoth at all...
@BenjaminRobertMuir
@BenjaminRobertMuir 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnanita9251 The name Sancho is an Iberian name of Basque origin (Santxo, Santzo, Santso, Antzo, Sans). Sancho stems from the Latin name Sanctius. The feminine form is Sancha and the common patronymic is Sánchez. Outside the Spanish-speaking world, the name is especially associated with the literary character Sancho Panza.
@brixcosmo
@brixcosmo Жыл бұрын
Thanks! ❤🇵🇹🇪🇸
@GeorgeKesarios
@GeorgeKesarios 2 жыл бұрын
would love a video on medieval Athens
@gilgalbiblewheel6313
@gilgalbiblewheel6313 Жыл бұрын
I've read and wonder how is it that Sufis went to Scotland paving the way for the Knights Templars to settle there as they fled from France?
@davidtinkle9634
@davidtinkle9634 3 жыл бұрын
You have El Cid was said to be in exile in 1041 but have it printed 1081
@madeiranmarvel2116
@madeiranmarvel2116 5 жыл бұрын
Count Afonso (originally from Burgundy) was father to D. Afonso Henriques aka D. Afonso I (1st King of Portugal) from his marriage to Teresa of Castille... he never proclaimed himself king, it was his son and namesake Afonso. I also think the title would be best if it were "Medieval Iberia" or "Medieval Spain and Portugal" as there are parts of the video focusing on Portugal not just Spain which got its name much later. It's is a bit offensive not to differentiate one from the other or find a more encompassing alternative... Portugal might not have its former colonies but it still has some pride in its identity. Thank you for the video.
@Anthob22
@Anthob22 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for not being bias..
@richardscales9560
@richardscales9560 2 жыл бұрын
Navvarie?
@dwi2921
@dwi2921 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand why there was so much turmoil. I wouldn't want to be around a 711 either! Sorry couldn't resist.
@MrSteventodd
@MrSteventodd 2 жыл бұрын
Link to maps? Vision impaired
@gedgar
@gedgar 4 жыл бұрын
Navvery??????????
@elwerouno1
@elwerouno1 3 жыл бұрын
👑RÍOS FAMILY 👑 it refers to the ROYAL HOUSE OF ASTURIAS where the RÍOS👑 last name most likely originated from.👑.
@rogelioalonzo2911
@rogelioalonzo2911 2 жыл бұрын
Thought it was a reference to Riverfolk. Like hobits in lord of the rings
@elwerouno1
@elwerouno1 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogelioalonzo2911 YEAH YOU WATCH TO MUCH KIDS SHOWS, YOU CAN TELL LOL 😂 Jaja
@AlexGarcia-dj9ou
@AlexGarcia-dj9ou 3 жыл бұрын
make this your full time job I love your channel I'm so horny for history no one understands lmao! keep it up man!
@manuelsanchezdeinigo3959
@manuelsanchezdeinigo3959 11 ай бұрын
¡Qué Viva el Reino de Pamplona Navarra! ¡Casa de Jiménez todavía estoy aqui saludos desde Nueva México Estados Unidos! ⚔️🇺🇸🇪🇸🇲🇽⚔️🕎☦️🕎
@es.sanres3179
@es.sanres3179 5 жыл бұрын
NAAAAVAAARRRAAAA NO NEVERE... 🤣however good video men 😁
@bookaufman9643
@bookaufman9643 Ай бұрын
If you look at the problem on the chessboard at around 13 1/2 minutes you can see that the Muslim guy just put the Christian guy into checkmate. That's presuming that the Muslim guy just made his move which I'm guessing by his raised finger that he did. This has to be the first ever animated chess game summary. Also it is a representative picture so it could not have been done by a Muslim.
@nickcollier8622
@nickcollier8622 3 жыл бұрын
Liked the video quite a bit but some of your pronunciations are so off that they become distracting. Don’t mean to be a hater just a little constructive criticism
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines 2 жыл бұрын
9:13 Hello! My name is Inigo Arista...you killed my father.. prepare to die!
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines Жыл бұрын
@علئ ياسر What are you talking about Muslims invaded first.
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines Жыл бұрын
@علئ ياسر incorrect.
@basedkaiser5352
@basedkaiser5352 10 ай бұрын
Viva La Reconquista ! ✝️🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸✝️
@mrniceguy7168
@mrniceguy7168 2 жыл бұрын
My surname is literally derived from Navarre and the only thing that annoyed me about his pronunciation was all the virgins whining about someone who doesn’t speak Spanish butchering the pronunciation.
@tacocruiser4238
@tacocruiser4238 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone who is interested in the Reconquista should check out the KZfaq channel "Flashpoint History". This channel has an outstanding series of videos on this topic.
@ffurtado2001
@ffurtado2001 10 ай бұрын
King Afonso the 1st the conqueror, son of count Afonso, first king of Portugal did pay A LOT of gold to the papacy to get its kingdom recognized by the pope.
@wormius7350
@wormius7350 10 ай бұрын
You can compare Gallicia to Galatia in Turkey, as both were settled by celts in antiquity. Northern Spain still holds many Celtic elements and culture, such as bagpipes!
@worstchoresmadesimple6259
@worstchoresmadesimple6259 5 жыл бұрын
It's fine, it is correctly pronounced Na-Ba-,RRA, three syllables always. Navarre is the anglicised/french pronunciation and spelling. So anyone is free to say it anyway they like it. Basque also receives the same Anglicised French treatment, the full term is Vasco or Vascones, same thing, different pronunciations in different languages
@konsyjes
@konsyjes 5 жыл бұрын
this made me think, "vasco" is also a ... Romanization(?) ROmantization? Hispanization? of Euskera, no? something like that
@worstchoresmadesimple6259
@worstchoresmadesimple6259 5 жыл бұрын
@@konsyjes Euskera is the standard Basque language meant to harmonize some 8 or 9 different dialects. Vascos is what they call themselves; the Romans would have called these mountain and coastal tribes "barskunes, autrigones, etc". Owing to the Roman influence, the Latin used officially in Villas and small townships then spread, the native language either fell out of use locally or just merged to create vulgar Latin languages. Just as Spanish is popular today in the Basque country as a lingua franca, Euskera or the local dialects are limited to rural regions. Plenty of Basque words in Spanish though. Aquitanian which is no longer spoken appeared to linguistic experts closest to the Basque dialects and language. Older relatives of mine only speak the central Biscayne dialect for example and they find Navarros or Souletine Basque dialects bemusing or just plain odd and different. Their grandparents I believe wouldn't have called their language "Euskera" , the term itself coined in the late 19th century. Most Biscayans emigrated to America anyway and so spoken Basque in Argentina for instance would have reflected the regional varieties. The survival of this mother tongue is relatively slim, I count four cousins of some 20 odd who are well versed in the local Biscayne dialect. The rest Spanish speakers in the main.
@konsyjes
@konsyjes 5 жыл бұрын
@@worstchoresmadesimple6259 Wow, thank you so much for that. I don't see this kind of knowledge often! (especially online) Now I feel like I really have a much more precise grasp of the subject, which brings out more flavor :)
@forgetfulfunctor1
@forgetfulfunctor1 11 ай бұрын
In case anyone's interested, not that its a big deal, but in Arabic you almost always pronounce the 'H' (opposite of Spanish). So abd al-Rahman is more said like "abbed al raH-man", gotta really say the H lol
@ArchYeomans
@ArchYeomans 6 жыл бұрын
Great presentation. However, Kingdom of Aragon narrative is incorrect and the map outline is incorrect. The Kingdom of Aragon did not rule over the region of Kingdom of Valencia or the Principality of Catalonia. In fact, the Crown of Aragon was created by a union of the House of Barcelona and the Queen of Aragon to become the Crown of Aragon. The Kingdom of Valencia was a later addition to the Crown of Aragon, as well the Kingdom of Majorca being a later addition after King Jaume I invaded the Balearic Islands. Other notable missing pieces is the creation of the Marca Hispanica by Charlemagne the Great from which Andorra as well many of Catalonia's counties of today are derived from. The Marca Hispanica, for the most northern part near the Pyrenees, is the portion of Visigothic Tarraconensis that was not fully controlled or conquered by the Moors. Approximately, the borders from Barcelona/Barcino along the Llobregat River to the Ebro River was virtually a no-man's land between Christian forces to the north and Muslim forces to the south. Eventually, under the Count of Barcelona (Wilfred the Hairy) and later counts the no-man's land of the Tarraconensis became under Catalan rule. This is why this region of Catalonia is considered Nova Catalunya versus the older Catalunya of Barcelona, Girona, and the upper stretches of Lleida provinces of today. This also includes Catalunya Nord with its ancient counties before the Treaty of the Pyrenees where Spain gave France its villages to the north (excluding Llivia, as it was considered a town) and now is a detached portion of Spain inside of France. BTW, Spain as a nation-state did not come in until the 1800s for those who want to claim that Catalonia was never a sovereign nation. Last time I checked, a principality like Andorra and Monaco are sovereign or are recognized as nations. Wales as a principality is recognized as a nation although it is highly dependent upon the United Kingdom. So arguments that Catalonia was never a sovereign nation is 100% completely false. Catalunya is a millennial nation and considered unified in c. 988 AD. Where was Spain as a country? Nowhere to be seen.
@matildegarcia9466
@matildegarcia9466 5 жыл бұрын
Arch Yeomans You are either ignorant about this part of the history of Spain or want everybody to believe that the northern east part of the Iberian peninsula was not invaded by the Muslims : well , if this is the case don’t mislead people, I.e. don’t lie. Muslims crossed the Pirineos and invaded the south east part of France . The French, after some time fought back and managed to expel them from today’s France and ruled for some time the northern part of the region called Cataluña. ONLY the north of Spain remained , free from muslim control, Asturias , the province of Santander, and the three small basque provinces were not conquered . Cataluña has never been independent . It was part of the kingdom of Aragon as soon as the king of that region conquered the north east part of Spain and incorporated to his kingdom. I know that what you are trying to say is that you are not mixed with the moors . I’m sorry but you are . Don’t lie because documents both in Spain and France prove it
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
There never was a Principality of Catalonia. It was several counties united by one of them who in time was first among them, but there NEVER was a Principality. Nowadays it is Principality of Gerona of which the Heiress Leonor is the holder of the title along with that of Princess of Asturias and Princess of Viana but those are honorific and very modern, from XIX century the oldest of those Principality titles. Understood?
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
AS Matilde ponits out, there was a petty king of Lérida, a city which remained in MUSLIM hands later than Toledo, conquered in 1085. Hispania was only one during the Romans that we all love. I just wonder where was that Cataluña that you describe??? In your dreams golpista!!
@Davigaming049
@Davigaming049 2 жыл бұрын
NAVERRY???
@BenjaminRobertMuir
@BenjaminRobertMuir 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video... But it would be a whole lot better if you invested a little time into researching how to pronounce the regions of Spain. Navarre is so bad I didn't even understand what you was talking about.
@josiahbishop3125
@josiahbishop3125 2 жыл бұрын
Glizzy-e-yuh
@diogomonteiro1397
@diogomonteiro1397 6 жыл бұрын
You butcherd ceuta its pronouce ceu-ta (at least in portuguese) but great vid on around excelent work
@ArchYeomans
@ArchYeomans 6 жыл бұрын
When Spain gives back Ceuta to Morroco then Britain will give back Gibraltar to Spain. LOL.
@fernandogarcia3957
@fernandogarcia3957 5 жыл бұрын
@@ArchYeomans That may be, but I inform you, the historical situation is very different. It has nothing to do one with the other is just that UK doesn´t like Spain having control over the 2 sides of Gibraltar Strait.
@elwerouno1
@elwerouno1 3 жыл бұрын
👑 RIOS FAMILY 👑 DERIVED FROM THE ROYAL HOUSE of ASTURIAS and VISIGOTH KING LIUVIGILD DYNASTY. 👑
@josecipriano3048
@josecipriano3048 2 жыл бұрын
No one cares.
@elwerouno1
@elwerouno1 2 жыл бұрын
@@josecipriano3048 LOL AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY YOU CARED ENOUGH TO REPLY BA, 👑 RIOS FAMILY 👑 DERIVED FROM THE ROYAL HOUSE of ASTURIAS and VISIGOTH KING LIUVIGILD DYNASTY. 👑
@morranon7340
@morranon7340 2 жыл бұрын
@@josecipriano3048 More People care for that then for the Moors, the Spanish monachy today traces its origins back to the founding of the Visigothic Kingdom, and as that, the Origin of modern Spain.
@ruimontezuma6047
@ruimontezuma6047 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Thersites, this is a good work. However you made the systematic mistake of calling Spain to the Iberian Peninsula. This mistake made your work reductinist because you missed some important points e.g. the heritage from the Muslim period is very strong in Portugal. In Portugal, every second town or village name is explicitely or etimologically connected with an Arabic denomination. Did you know the Portuguese language has way more influence of the Arabic language than the other languages still spoken in Spain? This influence is what explains the Portuguese phonetics sounding "hard" for other European people, including Castellanos. It is interesting to observe how the Portuguese Lisbon accent is similar to the Arabic speaking accent.
@HVLLOWS1999
@HVLLOWS1999 Жыл бұрын
As yes the Count of Porgual.
@MontChevalier
@MontChevalier 5 жыл бұрын
Also Andalusian homosexuality was contained to the Zirids. There is no evidence of its existence past 1031. Which would explain why they decayed into taifas.
@romyneri3699
@romyneri3699 4 жыл бұрын
Please pronounce Navarre correctly
@robertshepherd8543
@robertshepherd8543 2 жыл бұрын
I applaud your excellent presentation. Much detail but not too much for a bite-sized video. (I wish you had a more Spanish pronunciation of Navarre. Also Averroes.) Spain was a critical agent in the rise of modern Europe. Previously, northern Europe had been backward, illiterate, and impoverished. Andalucia was cultured, highly literate, and relatively wealthy for the times. Huge credit goes to the Arabs and Jews. My first eye-opener was reading Washington Irving. Expelling the Moors & Jews has cos Spain dearly. Their national decline since that time has been rapid. The Christians that "won" with the reconquista were intolerant, bigoted, (and actually, their own worst enemies.) I feel like one of the miracles of history was the Ottoman role in rescuing Jews at that critical moment. If you get a Catholic education, I hope you are fortunate enough to study Thomas Aquinas. Modern scholasticism, which helped trigger the Renaissance, owes a huge debt to the Andalus, and the Jewish and Arab Aristotelians. So many words in our language, particularly related to Astronomy, Math, algebra, chemistry -- have come to us from the Arabs (and Jews) via southern Spain. Even spices. Words like cinnamon and coffee are of Arabic derivation. In Spanish, the influence of Arabic is even more profound. It was "bad luck" (the evil eye) for Spain and Portugal when they expelled the Jews. But it was good luck for the nations and kingdoms that received them -- including Turkey & the Balkans, the New World, the Netherlands. And eventually, England.
@matm4413
@matm4413 6 ай бұрын
never give up, just like sancho I the fat didnt!
@jacob_swaggerz
@jacob_swaggerz Жыл бұрын
Hey bro. Please.make a playlist we can all appreciate. I love your content but you lack structure.
@jakegarvin7634
@jakegarvin7634 Жыл бұрын
Kinda funny, whenever a Christian man and a Muslim woman have married in my experience it's more likely he's gonna convert than she will. If not him the kids are definitely raised in the mothers faith
@galesal1109
@galesal1109 5 жыл бұрын
the language would not be all that different lol its and always was a latin based language
@konsyjes
@konsyjes 5 жыл бұрын
yeah, except for Azucar, Alcazar, Almohada, Almena, Colmenar, Abeja, Alcalde, Arriba, Izquierda, Guitarra, Arroyo, ... I mean I'm not gonna list them all but hopefully this is sufficient.
@lauraolap9921
@lauraolap9921 8 ай бұрын
​@@konsyjesthe thing is, arab didn't influence spanish much beyond letting words for things that we didn't have before, the structure of the language, pronunciation or most vocabulary is pretty close how it was before and after the conquest, in fact you can read medieval texts and literally get everything unlike english which was heavely influenced by french, ect
@lauraolap9921
@lauraolap9921 8 ай бұрын
Yup, it just left more vocabulary and names of cities beyond that not really that much
@konsyjes
@konsyjes 8 ай бұрын
@@lauraolap9921 I would agree about structure, but I'm not so sure about pronounciation. I don;t know what the phonemics were in pre-Roman Hispanic languages, and I know that the "th" phoneme is pretty common in Celtic languages as well as in Arabic, but I thiunk the hard "Jota" is very characteristic in Arabic whereas in Romance languages I can't think of other examples other than in Spanish. I may be getting a bit over my head here, but thinking back to pre-invasion Spain, I think the letter "X" is often used for the glottal sibilant sound, in names like "Ximena" - this seems to me perhaps a Greek influence, using the Greek letter X (Chi) for the sound to differentiate it from the very soft latin 'h' that is common in the Romance family. So I imagine it might possibly have sounded more like the Greek "x": soft but distinct. I suspect that this distinct glottal sound became more similar the extra hard Arabic sound that is characteristic of modern Spanish during the centuries of the Reconquista, along with, possibly , the C and Z sibilants. What do you think :) ?
@lauraolap9921
@lauraolap9921 8 ай бұрын
@@konsyjes about that you are right about the jota de j sound that comes from the back of the throat comes from arabic, the c and z sound tho, no. It was a long process of sounds that converged that all originally came from latin that adopted the sound from greek (theta). first It sounded like an aspired t later became what It is today in spanish (this happened between the XVI and XVII centuries (moors were expelled in the XV century), that's why It only changed in Spain and didn't have too much of an influence in south america)... And iberians read their vocals same as we do today and they were 5, the same we have today.
@Highestbornsonz
@Highestbornsonz 2 жыл бұрын
♾ 🧬
@rimlandrealist7679
@rimlandrealist7679 5 жыл бұрын
I like History and I like these podcasts but dude ...NAVARY??!! NAVARY?!!! WTF... Please learn how to pronounce Portuguese and Spanish better. It is not that hard...
@Oscuros
@Oscuros 5 жыл бұрын
This touched my eggs too just now, and was why I had to look in the comments to see if someone else felt the same way. They don't pronounce English place-names properly either, Birmingham and etc.
@konsyjes
@konsyjes 5 жыл бұрын
lol right there with you guys :) awesome lectures but yes also on that point, Córtes has the stress on the first syllable, (just like the english word "courts" which is its equivalent), and Ceuta has an "Th" sound for the "C", as in Spanish "ce" and "ci" are soft (pronounced "th") and "ca" "co" and "cu" are hard ("k", like in Latin). Sorry not trying to be a pedant just want to be useful. Cheers
@danielp3322
@danielp3322 5 жыл бұрын
People do that all the time, and it's annoying. And they always get their facts wrong. It's a well documented period, but many still make so many errors. What really bothers me is when they try to say it was a time where Muslims, Christians, and Jews got along peacefully, but that's just wrong. There was constant war. The Visigoths were invaded in 711, and we're treated horribly under Muslim rule. The European men could not become a citizen, only the women could marry in, and become citizens. They were treated horribly, they were the bottom of the totem pole. But the men could not become citizens under Muslim law, so they died out fairy soon. When Christians would take back a region, hey never found free Christians/Europeans, only European slaves. Slavery was huge in the muslim would. There made other errors as well.
@josecipriano3048
@josecipriano3048 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielp3322 slavery was huge everywhere. The non-muslims were much better treated than most non-majority religion believers anywhere. Definitely, much better treated than the muslims or jews in the peninsula after 1492.
@AbdulQadir-kj2ni
@AbdulQadir-kj2ni 4 жыл бұрын
Sir must give subtitle in English
@gabrielm.942
@gabrielm.942 2 жыл бұрын
Fernando I died in 65
@Rossyboy3000
@Rossyboy3000 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan and normally only too willing to overlook one or two dubious pronunciations in light of the wonderful quality of your content, but listening to you mispronounce 'Navarre' as brutally as you have in this video has caused my to reflect on the point at which the medium begins to undermine the message...a well-built house still needs a lick of paint.
@kunknown2340
@kunknown2340 2 жыл бұрын
The least you could do is display the pronunciation through your comment while criticizing.
@andrewlloyd1327
@andrewlloyd1327 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah its so easy to pronounce, something like "nah- var (rhymes with star), not nav-var-rie. It was jarring
@CraftyChicken91
@CraftyChicken91 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine criticizing someone for mispronouncing a language they don't speak. Sad.
@opiliones4202
@opiliones4202 2 жыл бұрын
@@CraftyChicken91 its pronounced the same way in English brainlet
@KarolusImperator
@KarolusImperator Жыл бұрын
@@CraftyChicken91 The least they could've done was look up a proper pronunciation and go off of that
@ezrhino100
@ezrhino100 4 жыл бұрын
7-11 convenience stores are named after the muslim invasion of the iberian peninsula. also, did you know that before it was called 'latin america', it was called 'ibero-america'? this change was made in the 1800s, during the revolutions.
@ezrhino100
@ezrhino100 4 жыл бұрын
@BLUE DOG the only problem is there is no such thing as freedom. and please don't tell me you had freedom in the 80s, when times were 'good'...
@williamlucas4656
@williamlucas4656 6 жыл бұрын
Malaki school of Islam. www.al-islam.org/inquiries-about-shia-islam-sayyid-moustafa-al-qazwini/five-schools-islamic-thought
@bobuemil7579
@bobuemil7579 6 жыл бұрын
Tolerance? rivalry between jews (ashkenaz'im/mizrah'im/kara'im; muslim affiliates/conservators); between arabs (yemeniti/hedjazi/nahara'im/levantins; sunni/shia/fanatics), between arabs & berbers, between berber tribes (zirids, hamoudids, moravids, mohadeshi), between christians (catholocs/arians/orthodox) & all those & converted spaniards....
@connorrivers995
@connorrivers995 5 жыл бұрын
Na-var. It's pronounced Na-var, not Na-ver-re, Na-var.
@jacksondacar767
@jacksondacar767 4 жыл бұрын
Navar eh
@roberthaggerty510
@roberthaggerty510 Жыл бұрын
The numerous and outlandish mispronunciations detract from the quality of the video.
@ericthegreat7805
@ericthegreat7805 6 жыл бұрын
Regarding the Muslim/Christian inter faith marriage laws, the official Islamic jurisprudential position on why Muslim men can marry non Muslim womem but not vice versa is because the wife is seen as in charge of moral guidance of the children. In Islamic theology, since Muhammad is the last prophet and Islam supersedes all other previous religions, there is no problem if say a Christian woman were to educate her children in Christian morality, but it would be problematic if a Muslim woman teaches her children Muslim morality. Islamic law stipulates that the husband has the final authority in family life, so if a Christian husband were to overrule a Muslim wife wanting say, her children to attend an Islamic school, this law is supposedly meant to protect the Muslim woman from being in the problematic position of having to chose between the supremacy of Islamic law which trumps Christian law, or her Christian husband.
@ThersitestheHistorian
@ThersitestheHistorian 6 жыл бұрын
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for that.
@chanchingcheng8204
@chanchingcheng8204 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao "navery"
@samuelferrell9257
@samuelferrell9257 3 ай бұрын
You pronounce Navarre wrong every time and it hurts my ears. Spanish vowels.
@winstonjames2583
@winstonjames2583 3 жыл бұрын
Navaaaaaaare goddamn it
@abdelrahmanwael2551
@abdelrahmanwael2551 3 жыл бұрын
Man you butchered my name and navarre
@danielp3322
@danielp3322 5 жыл бұрын
You have made many errors. Most importantly the Visigothic kingdom fell, because of the slaughter by the invading Muslims. The Visigoths fled to the north, but the ones that could not make it were now stuck under Muslim rule. They could NOT become citizens! The women could marry in, and become third class citizens, the lowest on the totem pole. The men could NOT. Because of this they died off fairly quick. When the Muslims invaded he Iberian peninsula they enslaved many people, and killed even more. So the ones that couldn't leave had to pay a high dhemmi/tax, and lived like slaves. They had many rules that they had to obey, punishable by death. The couldn't ride horses like Every one else. They had to wear certain clothing, and a large patch. This was humiliation. They couldn't use weapons. They couldn't even talk back. There was numerous laws, all punishable by death. This was a horrible time. But this lie we are told about a Multicultural Utopia, where every race, and religion are equal, and live happily together is nonsense! This myth started around a century ago. Then it was really pushed by a communist that left Spain under Franco, and hated Spain, and it was clear in his writings. He spread this golden age nonsense, multicultural paradise nonsense. It's actually a well documents time period. Under Muslim law the Europeans under Muslim rule could NOT become a citizen. Not the men, just women if they were married in. So they died off fast in Muslim regions. When a city was taken back during the reconquest, here would be no free Europeans/Christians, just slaves. Safety was huge in the Islamic would. Every caliphate believed in slavery. Every Muslim empire from the Umayyads, to the Ottoman empire, they all had slaves. Mainly women. In the Iberian peninsula when they took back a region, they would find harems everywhere. Some wealthy Muslims even had over a thousand women enslaved in a harem. When Granada was taken back in 1492 there were many slaves, which were freed, and taken care of. Their chains were sent to hang off a cathedral in Toledo as a reminder to never let what they went through happen again. They still hang today, 500+ years later. I've been there, and it's a horrible sight. Scary. So this myth is highly offensive to Spaniards. I've spent much time in Spain my entire life, and have read documents from the La Reconquista, the reconquest, and have studied this time period, and it was a time of constant war. There were treaties, times of peace, mostly initiated by the Spanish, and Portuguese, but over all there was fighting. Over 1000 battles fought in 781 years.
@nantzstein3311
@nantzstein3311 5 жыл бұрын
"History is written by the victims" oh wait...
@christiank1251
@christiank1251 4 жыл бұрын
@@nantzstein3311 Yes, by the former victims, and never to be forgotten.
@josecipriano3048
@josecipriano3048 2 жыл бұрын
The visigoths were such great rulers that the local peoples asked for foreign peoples who didn't even shared a religion with them to come to get rid of the visigoths. It's so lame that Spanish identity was built in the hatred of one of the most successful civilizations to ever inhabit this land.
@morranon7340
@morranon7340 2 жыл бұрын
@@josecipriano3048 Any proof for the crap youre talking about? Where did the local peoples asked for the Moors to invade their land? The myth that Muslims where "one of the most successful civilizations to ever inhabit this land" is just not true. In fact when the Moors invaded Spain they were amazed by the Visigoths. There are enough studies from historians like Darío Fernández-Morera who proof that, and archaeological finds like the Treasure of Guarrazar with the Royal Visigothic Crown shows what they were capable of. You could have even read that from Wikipedia if you would have educated yourself: "The Visigothic rule has often been attributed to be a part of the so-called Dark Ages, a time of cultural and scientific decay reversed only by Muslim Andalusia. Through the course of their existence the Visigoths supposedly remained "men of the woods never strayed too far from there," as Thomas F. Glick puts it. However, in fact, the Visigoths were preservers of the classical culture. The bathing culture of Andalusia, for example, often said to be a Muslim invention, is a direct continuation of Romano-Visigothic traditions. Visigothic Merida housed baths supplied with water by aqueducts, and such aqueducts are also attested in Cordoba, Cadiz and Recopolis. Excavations confirm that Recopolis and Toledo, the Visigothic capital, were heavily influenced by the contemporary Byzantine architecture. When the Muslims looted Spain during their conquest they were amazed by the fine and innumerable Visigothic treasures. A few of these treasures were preserved as they were buried during the invasion"
@CarvedStones
@CarvedStones 2 жыл бұрын
@@josecipriano3048 It wasn’t because the Hispano Roman’s hated the Visigoths, it was the horrible hierarchy structure that led the kingdom into disarray and civil war. It was actually stabilized during the reign of leovigildo and his son Reccerard when he converted to Catholicism and made it the state religion of the kingdom. There was even a time of peace during his reign. Only cut short by the political turmoil that plagued its nobility because the king inheritance structure was utter shit and led to power grabs. You can really tell the Visigoths were holding onto the old ways of how they chose leaders like the Balti dynasty. The Visigoths didn’t even tax the natives there as much as the Muslims loved doing, the Visigoths didn’t persecute the natives for their faith when they held a different one for a time, and unlike the Muslims, they actually allowed intermarriage between Hispano Romans goths (this allowed Hispano Roman’s to marry into nobility as you will see in the 7th and 8th centuries they became indistinguishable) only backed by their customary laws that served as Spanish law well throughout the reconquista. Muslim law didn’t allow a Christian man to marry a Muslim woman, only the other way around. Not to mention the sex slave trade the Muslims had. This is why the Christian kingdoms in the north built a shit ton of castles to act as buffer zones because of how scary the Muslims were. This is why Iberians hate the Muslims.
@MontChevalier
@MontChevalier 5 жыл бұрын
Man, you really need to work on your pronunciations. NAH-VAH-RAH. Not Navaree. And you mispelled Portugal in 25:50. Should've caught that. 27:08 And you mean, 48, right? Cause you said 84.
@placeholdername2739
@placeholdername2739 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, your pronunciation is terrible, both in Spanish and Arabic. Still, good video, decent content.
@deckiedeckie
@deckiedeckie 5 жыл бұрын
The English used the Jews to badmouth Spain....then the bugalus (southamerikans ) took the ball and ran w/it 'til today....jejeje
@sjewitt22
@sjewitt22 6 жыл бұрын
Did the Ottomans ever think/talk about getting involved on the Muslims behearth?
@theraptor6973
@theraptor6973 3 жыл бұрын
3:30 When the Arabs went to 7 eleven. I guess some things never change;)
@rickyyacine4818
@rickyyacine4818 2 жыл бұрын
So true but what do u expect from dumb visigoth they called muslim for help in spanish civil war
@SergiuSalcau00
@SergiuSalcau00 3 жыл бұрын
They eventually won.. after 700 years. Looool.
@matthewmann8969
@matthewmann8969 5 жыл бұрын
Well The Mongols unintentionally saved Europe from Semitic Middle Eastern Conquest.
@KingofEuropa07
@KingofEuropa07 4 жыл бұрын
Huh? Europe was reconquering land well before the mongol invasion of the middle east... also the Muslim states had a huge problem with infighting.
@redafm4505
@redafm4505 4 жыл бұрын
Hazard McGee maybe in the first crusade but after that they lost every other crusade except the 3rd which was still a failure due to French and English infighting
@KingofEuropa07
@KingofEuropa07 4 жыл бұрын
@@redafm4505 I was talking about Spain and Italy but OK. Also, *sighs* here's the record on the numbered Crusades. 1st: major Crusader victory 2nd: Crusader defeat 3rd: significant Crusader victory I have no idea where you got 'was a failure due to French/English infighting.' That infighting mostly died down when Philip left, and while there was still a succession crisis in the Kingdom of Jerusalem the 3rd Crusade was still a success. 4th Crusade: Crusader victory, though not against the intended target. 5th Crusade: Crusader defeat, exclusively because of the Nile river flooding. 6th Crusade: Crusader victory (through diplomacy) 7th Crusade: major Crusader defeat 8th Crusade: very minor Crusader defeat (ended when Louis died of disease 9th Crusade: very minor Crusader victory. So, not quite 'losing all other crusades'. I mean if we have stupid interpretations like jown you see the 3rd Crusade, then maybe. But again, I was talking about Spain and Italy. This was a response to 'The Mongols unintentionally saved Europe from Semitic Middle Eastern conquest. The mongol invasions were in the 13th century. If you can tell me where the Semitic Middle East was invading Europe successfully at that time, then fine. But the reconquista was decisively in Christian Spain's favor at that time, and the Norman conquest of Italy (including Arab Sicily) was pretty much done.
@redafm4505
@redafm4505 4 жыл бұрын
Hazard McGee but none except the1st and 6th worked crusade actually worked only in the first did they take Jerusalem so all of them are in practice failures.
@redafm4505
@redafm4505 4 жыл бұрын
Hazard McGee don’t get me wrong you’re right on a lot of stuff but it’s inaccurate to say that the crusaders did anything truly significant after the 3rd or 4th crusades
@casandrawilliams373
@casandrawilliams373 5 жыл бұрын
and i quote from this video,.."ONE of the greatest times of Christian persecution was..." seriously? lolomg some pplwow!smh
@deanmthomson
@deanmthomson 5 жыл бұрын
Navarre is pronounced ‘navarr’. Your mispronunciation really irritates me.
@nigeldawson8218
@nigeldawson8218 3 жыл бұрын
Learn some pronunciation
@ChromiumCastle
@ChromiumCastle 2 жыл бұрын
Extremely boring presentation
6 жыл бұрын
*Islam in the Middle Ages* *1)* The Muslim occupation of Spain was brutal and genocidal towards the Christians. Same thing is true for non-Muslims in the Middle East, North Africa, India, Persia, Africa and parts of Asia. *2)* If you calculate the casualties from Muslim conquest and expansion, the conservative approximation of loss of human life is in the vicinity of 250.000.000 since the 700th century, due to religious warfare, racism, massacres, genocides, prosecutions, neglect and slavery. *3)* The level of Muslims aggression towards non-Muslims is extraordinarily high. If you go through the annals of Medieval European history the aggression level, being invasions and open warfare, it is somewhere in the vicinity of 50-1.
@krisinsaigon
@krisinsaigon 5 жыл бұрын
sources? i did history at uni and that;s not what our professors told us
@rapbeats1816
@rapbeats1816 5 жыл бұрын
#TheTruth
@rapbeats1816
@rapbeats1816 5 жыл бұрын
Over 200 years ago Thomas Jefferson declared the religion of Islam and Moslem social traditions to be incompatible with the American way (I am paraphrasing as I don't remember his exact words).. Please don't believe me (or any stinking professors).. Do your own research.. For starters Google "Thomas Jefferson's Koran", find out why he had one, why he studied Islam for a year.. Do your own research, don't believe anyone..
@michaelshapely9886
@michaelshapely9886 Жыл бұрын
Navar not navery
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