@@algimante2097 i mean misogyny is still cool and acceptable especially between (gay) men

he'd probably be wint's only competition

@@algimante2097 I agree, we cannot judge the ignorance of the past with the wisdom of the present

@@algimante2097 right like people aren't going to have the same ideas. you're not gonna find a single author/historical person who would have all the same ideals that we have today. the idea is unrealistic.

Wtf does that have to do with it turd ?

@@ChristopherJohnGurr Living doesn't exclude hiring rent boys. That's precisely the difference between an artist and a moralist.

And to live thru the mindless gluttonous oppression inflicted by the establishment is to watch the future of the divine die!

can you explain that?

Easy to say and do when you you’re born with money & status. How can a factory worker or security guard “live” when they have to work 12 hour shifts, or drudge all day on a freezing cold building site

Pardons are only ever issued when it is accepted that the original conviction was not fair or correct. So as Martha Speaks said, the admission of error is implicit in the pardon.

A government cannot express regret or offer apologies. It's not a living thing that cares for people, but a beurocracy of laws and enforcement, it can only pardon.

Yes but they don't want to admit they were wrong.

By that logic, the British Royal family would be issuing apologies to millions of people everyday.

It sure did Oscar Wilde a lot of good to live and think that way 😂

@@matthew-jy5jp ahahaha :) yeah but, Him living his true life wasn’t a downfall of his …

He sounds like an addict :( and these are the words masking illness as a virtue. That is so sad. His lot I mean.

oops, you just made me read Wilde. Which book to begin with?

@@matthew-jy5jp sounds like reich-wing fascist absolutist moralistic "thinking".

I second the motion.

Yes, I would buy any books he chose to do for Audible.

@@MSmith-qg1oh I'm reading "Great Thinkers". It gives a 3 page summary of each of the great philosophers and political thinkers. At first I put it aside because I thought it would be too dry. It's far from dry. Alain says what Rousseau said only in a way that is far easier to understand and relate to. He summarizes philosophers whose ideas I've ignored for decades and I think they have some interesting points to make.

He's been too discrete I wish he was more visible. His books are precious.

@@bikerslow2598 I agree. I love "Essays on Love" and "Art as Therapy." He always has original ideas.

Don't mistake virtue signalling for wisdom. Unchecked barbarian migration certainly didn't work for the Romans. Send them home to fix their own countries. With help if necessary. That is true humanitarianism. Teach a man to fish and all that.

@@Ace0nPoint that's not what they're talking about and you're very abnormal if you think it is. I'm sorry that the very notion of compassion for the unexceptional is triggering Take it from someone who volunteers and works to teach people "how to fish" on a daily basis-- you don't read as a philosophy major, and you don't read as tough or enlightened or noble. You read as an insecure little boy projecting whatever is left of your conscience because someone else *might* be a better person than you. I'm not, but the very idea that I could be makes you very insecure and everyone can tell. And you lack the faculty to do anything other than put others down, trying in vain to drape your abnormal, aberrant leanings in the clothes of macho history. You can do better.

@@chavesa5 That is a staggeringly articulate and well meant response to a comment that is devoid of compassion. Thank you.

@@chavesa5 the fact that you immediately abandon the discussion and start name calling and being personal and insulting doesn't give much credence to your veiwpoint It's hardly a compassionate stance to dismiss a person the right to basic respect just because you disagree with his opinion You'll no doubt start slagging me off now too

@Miles Doyle you're nuts

Pretender.

@Miles Doyle Hello Miles. Small point, but the personal pronoun of your deity is traditionally represented in capital letters - otherwise they become just one among many mythical beings. Bless you and I hope you're doing well, as am I.

Don't kid yourself, Among the more sordid details of the case are those revealed by Margaret Cotta, a chambermaid at the Savoy Hotel, a favourite rendezvous for Wilde and his series of young male 'renters'. Describing a prolonged visit to the hotel by Wilde and Alfred Douglas, who was affectionately known as Bosie, Miss Cotta said she found a 'common boy, rough looking, 14 years of age' in Wilde's bed, the sheets of which 'were always in a most disgusting state... with traces of vaseline, soil and semen'. And this is just the beginning of the misconduct which would see him into vastly more trouble than 2 years in jail this day and age.

@@stijndelie1458 One can acknowledge that Oscar Wilde was a piece of shit while also recognizing that he was a literary genius and that people shouldn’t be put on trial for being homosexual

The only ones who got a terrible ends were the youths that Wilde had met.

Wilde being a homo wasn't the moral crime, it was his betrayal of his wife and children and his constant fornicating with young boys.

Any examples of a needless want?

@@shaunburns543 another piece of clothing, new phone, a cookie, a beer, porn. The list goes on.

@@shaunburns543 Simplicity.

The only need that is real is to over throw the oppressive forces of the establishment

That's gonna get banned as redpill picks up lol.

Well said.

yeah...

I think it was a downfall for the pain it brought to him as an artist. He once was on the pedestal of fame and success, then he suddenly was spat on and demeaned in the pillory of public infamy for the life he wanted to lead. Such suffering broke him greatly and stagnated his creative spirit. I don't think there is a more harrowing and dreadful thing than being a stagnant artist who is not able to produce art anymore. What a shame!

Yeah, after a couple of years of hard labor get back to me. Not to be rude, but you significantly underestimate the cost to him. Look at what he wrote... lost his kids... These were the social prices of the day.

well he drank himself to death and got very sick and died, that pretty much ended his life. He also said he had passions but couldn't write anymore, towards the end of the video.

@@Nero-ox5tw why is sodomy a crime again? Can’t people live the lives they want to? What is a crime is trying to force a religion’s ideals onto everyone. And iirc there was no evidence regarding pedophilia

@@mutthulakshmi1730 The irony of someone with Nero as a username calling Oscar out for debauchery 😒😒😒

A great novel. So modern in alot of ways.

one of the best novels ever.

Me too! I just finished it. Great book. I didn’t know wilder was gay or bi, until i read the book. He described dorian so vividly and sensually, that became sus. So i read his wiki. Also, the letters between his lover and the lover’s dad is actually so hilarious.

It's a GREAT book aside from the montage chapter, but an excellent metaphor for hiding the true self among the supposed moral people in power.

"literally"

What

It's all more complicated than people think. From a young age, Oscar resorted to fantasies of Greek love - probably as the only vent for his feelings. However, as a person who is 22 years old you are an adult, and it may surprise you, but young people can also prefer older people. But that's not what I wanted to write about. Firstly, Robbie and Oscar's relationship is just a rumour. Robbie denied having a romantic or sexual relationship with Oscar. The "rent boys" issue is very complicated and people tend to polarise Oscar. He did indeed sleep (so far we know) with them, and I’m not defending this; we also know for a fact that Bosie pressured him a lot and at one point, he said that he did not want to be with these boys but couldn't emotionally resist Bosie. Bosie was very young, but he was still very dominant and abusive. Oscar even tried to escape to France and didn't tell anyone because he was afraid Bosie would find him, and he ended up finding him anyway. Alfred harassed him, often threatening to kill themselves if he did not return to him. He even said he was afraid of Bosie, and to be more specific, he described a “feeling of utter horror” because he carried a gun with him all the time. Even Bosie's own mother warned Oscar about her own son. Oscar wrote it in De Profundis: “Whether you had with you the pistol you had bought to try and frighten your father with, and that, thinking it to be unloaded, you had once fired off in a public restaurant in my company: whether your hand was moving towards a common dinner-knife that by chance was lying on the table between us: whether forgetting in your rage your low stature and inferior strength, you had thought of some especially personal insult, or attack even, as I lay ill there”. I don't know if Oscar found out (probably not), but allegedly(!) Bosie told Gide that Oscar's 9-year-old son would be his (in sexual matter). We also know that the boys were probably pressured by detectives to confess against Oscar. And we don't really know exactly whether their confessions were truthful. Oscar has privately told his friends that many of the charges have nothing to do with him but with Bosie, but that he will not confess against him because he wants to keep him safe. It sounds stupid, but there were indeed different times. Girls were allowed to marry at the age of 15.... generally there was a big problem with prostitution. Many girls started with prostitution at the age of 12

Yes but it was socially acceptable for old Men to have young female prostitutes likely still is to a large extent.

i hope you don't think they addressed sleeping with YOUNG prostitutes as a worse thing than sleeping with MALE prostitutes.

Deviation from norms

Yea like martial rape wasn't considered an official crime until the 1990s well at least in America

People who write the laws of any era don't factor for moral relativity, they're just after your vote.

"THERE IS NOTHING EITHER GOOD OR BAD BUT THINKING MAKES IT SO" (Hamlet's words)

@@kenhtinhthuc Further to your point, you could've gone with "Conscience doth make cowards of us all".

@Chris Cyrel Estil what?

@Chris Cyrel Estil i know,thank you for information,i want some videos of them from Ted Ed!!

Wilde, Lord Alfred Douglas and Queensbury all converted to Catholicism. So crazy.

suffering is not the correct interpretation to the world. world is not static. not all are the same.

I hate to tell you mate the only way you ever grow in your life is if you experience true suffering. To live is to suffer and to survive is to find meaning in that suffering

@@matthew-jy5jp what do you mean by grow? Like develop depression and other stuff? Growth shouldn't be seen as a positive thing. It can be very suffocating and keeping you from living and enjoying things. Beauty, happiness, love, joy and passion those on the other hand excite and make you come alive. Suffering is not needed for that. The kind of suffering we see in this world is just an unfortunate circumstance in this world due to all sorts of physical limitations and restrictions imposed on us here. Suffering is a guide that we should use to try to get to a batter way to be

@@matthew-jy5jp That's just what people who have suffered a lot in life say to themselves to cope

😂😂😂😂...v

To be honest, he wasn’t that poor. He was just such irresponsible person.. his friends raised for him 1000 pounds after his release and he just spend it for alcohol and parties within few months. And 1000 pounds was a lot a lot, about 100tausend today. And even after, he received so much money from his friends. Robbie wanted him to rent a flat in Paris, but wanted to stay in a hotel. Mostly bc of Maurice who worked there and Oscar was very much in love.

Hey ....I have a question regarding this... why did he say the coward kills his love with a kiss and brave man with a sword?

Exactly idk why they're calling it his downfall, it wasn't his fault that society was this f*cked up back then

So so true

His mistake was trusting the wrong people

His mistake was to let his emotions get the best of him. Til the last day of his.

Or could also be that he was Irish, a tall poppy and not an Aristocrat.

He liked 15 year old boys ... dont know why you guys defend him..

No, his mistake was sleeping around with stop many men and getting found out

Yet no one knows his name..

@@siriusedits3058 a lot more know than you think.

How is it any different?

Is that a spider?

@@DavidLopez-tj7jl the difference is that it's uncensored, so you'll read everything Wilde wanted you to. From my understanding, most of the censored parts concern the love/"admiration" Basil felt for Dorian. I haven't read that particular edition, but I read the uncensored one in my native language.

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Jesus Christ let the gays bang

Wait till yoy find out he's a pedophile