hard to listen to

He’s the worst

Fr can't stand him

I can't take him seriously lol

I know. He's essentially telling the story of the death of a franchise/ sport, in Atlanta. I'm not saying it should be a full funeral but have some respect and please don't tell me if they do one of These on the Montreal EXPOS,. YES, it deserves to be made but get Dave Van Horne to Orate, or Dawson, Pedro! Anybody but the 'this Cocaine Drinking, Coffee Snorting, plus Helium inhaling, Panic Attack!!!

are u saying this isn't as important as cartoons

Yeah- it was this merger more than anything that screwed the Thrashers- it only gets a passing mention in this video; it's complex but it boggled the minds of a lot of people at the time why anyone ( Time-Warner) would merge with AOL ( a dial-up internet company) at a time when people were already bailing in droves on AOL in favor of high-speed DSL and cable service. Other "suits" within the company were given control of Ted Turner's other assets (Falcons, Thrashers and WCW) and Turner scrambled to retain control of the Braves franchise (his prized possession). WCW was sold to Vince McMahon for a fraction of it's value in the fire sale.

​@@johncorey7408 time Warner was buying the data AOL had collected. It's always been about data since the internet became a thing. That's an even bigger source of income than subscriber fees

@@johncorey7408 I think you mean, Hawks, not Falcons. Turner once owned the Hawks, not the Falcons. The Falcons have only had two owners since they came into the league in 1966. The Rankin Smith family, followed by Arthur Blank.

WCW killed the WCW

@@RedPillBased Hogan and his nWo buddies killed WCW too. They refused to step aside for younger stars to emerge

Atlanta Flames failed - not because of Atlanta Spirit Atlanta Gladiators can't even fill their arena 50% - are they failing because of the Atlanta Spirit too???? That's why there are no hockey fans in Georgia BEFORE AND AFTER the Thrashers? Because of the Atlanta Spirit? Hahahahahahaha Google hockey registration in Georgia it is 40th out of 50 states.... (taking into account Canadian provinces Georgia is ranked 50th out of 60 states and provinces lol) Georgia hates hockey

@@sampicano flames were likely in Atlanta too early. The Braves and Hawks struggled to draw in the 70s, the Flames didn't stand a chance. But the infighting in the Thrasher's ownership group doomed the franchise.

​@@kjorlaug1 70s and 80s it was too early 90s and 00s it was Atlanta Spirit and hockey registration in Georgia is 40th in America out of 50 states....and the Atlanta Gladiators can't even fill the arena 50% because what? What's your excuse? Atlanta Gladiators - 4,168 fans per game - London Knights - 9,035 per game - Halifax Mooseheads - 8,368 per game - Quebec Remparts - 9,840 per game - University North Dakota - 11,612 per game - University of Wisconsin - 10,059 per game - University of Nebraska-Omaha - 7,043 per game there are better markets in the South... ECHL Jacksonville averages - 8,768 per game AHL San Diego averages 7,249 real hockey markets exist, I don't think San Diego or Jacksonville are hockey markets but they are better markets than atlanta

@@kjorlaug1 Don't argue with him. This idiot goes on every 'Why The Thrashers Failed' video and posts the same bullshit

@@sampicano How's hockey registration for Clark County, Nevada? Tampa?

Dude fr, what players today play how him and ovi did back then? Those guys were electrifying, only guys that come close in terms of size, speed and lethal shot Is MacKinnon really, he's like the only comparison to those 2 guys and isnt quite as big

He was also one of the all time assholes out there.

@@Psychedelic-O-Moose Agreed

​@@Psychedelic-O-Moose How? Genuinely interested.

Face of the franchise. Hopefully when the Thrashers return he can be the head coach or something.

They'll be back before the end of the decade, in my opinion, if all goes according to plan.

I don't want Atlanta as an NHL market, since there are better markets (Portland, Milwaukee, Houston, Toronto-Hamilton, Cleveland, Quebec City), and since they failed twice which is unheard of, and because as of 2024 Georgia ranks bottom 10 in North America for hockey registration...there is still no hockey fans. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ATLANTA FAIL A THIRD TIME THAT WOULD PUT THE NAIL IN THE COFFIN FOREVER, THEY WOULD NEVER EVER GET ANOTHER SHOT (AND THEY DON'T DESERVE ONE) - Phoenix just failed...5,070,110 people - Atlanta failed twice...6,307,261 people - Houston never failed...7,510,253 people Why not fail in Houston? At least Texas likes hockey more than Georgia, Houston has an NHL arena built, Houston would have an entertaining rivalry with Dallas, and Houston has a billionaire owner looking to buy the team (Tilman Fertitta), and is larger than Atlanta, and hasn't failed twice already (like Atlanta). Houston would be a terrible NHL market, but it would be better than Atlanta. I WOULD LOVE ATLANTA TO FAIL A THIRD TIME ❤

@@sampicano but how would a Quebec City team find players to field a team when no one wants to play there? lol - Want to know which teams are on almost all players "no trade" lists? ALL of the Canadian franchises. Why do you think the NHL won't go back to another Canadian market - it has NOTHING to do with the passion of the fans. It's also the High taxes players have to pay while living there. This is why we are seeing teams like Florida, Tampa, Vegas, and Dallas landing major stars via trade & free agency. Florida was #1 on Matthew Tkachuk's list. Vladimir Tarasenko said he would only waive his no-trade to go to Florida. People want to live in nice weather, pay no state income tax, and play on a championship-caliber team.

@@esotericveritasunfortunately you are right. I’m not even Canadian and I’ve only been there once briefly but the passion of the fans there is unmatched. The fans in Quebec City and possibly Hamilton or Saskatoon/Regina could support one but I’m not sure any free agents would want to go there. As you said, the existing Canadian franchises are struggling. There’s a reason the cup hasn’t been back to Canada since ‘93

@@esotericveritas The NHL teams that lost the most money over the past decade (2012-2021): -$152,900,000 = Florida Panthers (Miami - 6,183,199) -$141,600,000 = Arizona Coyotes (Phoenix - 4,845,832) -$108,800,000 = Carolina Hurricanes (Raleigh-Durham - 1,509,231) -$83,500,000 = Anaheim Ducks (Los Angeles-Anaheim - 12,799,100) -$76,000,000 = Columbus Blue Jackets (Columbus - 2,180,271) -$74,400,000 = Tampa Lightning (Tampa-Saint Petersburg - 3,342,963) -$59,900,000 = Buffalo Sabres (Buffalo - 1,155,604) -$130,000,000 = Atlanta Thrashers (Atlanta - 6,307,261) [Atlanta lost $130 million in 5 years from 2005 to 2010] So everybody wants to play in Miami and Atlanta and Anaheim and Phoenix? But none of those cities generates profit....and two of them had to relocate. One of them didn't make money (Atlanta) until they relocated to a city with 700 thousand Canadians LMFAO 🤣 Do you understand how NUMBERS work? Losing $130 million in Georgia is not more viable than making $5 million in Winnipeg.

Needs to be more tenor and right now it's too soprano

Yeah, it is forced and annoying.

I really have to second this, the delivery was great but I feel it should've gone down an octave during the more serious topics (Snyder for example)

Agree. I’ll have to thumb down the channel so I don’t get it suggested anymore.

he sounds like he belongs on a live action show for children under 5 or he would be a actor in some education film ud see in 2nd grade about recycling and even than u were cringing

Alabama LITERALLY has some of the worst hockey registration in North America... if Alabama "likes hockey" then every other state likes it more

​​@@sampicano you don't have to play hockey to be a fan of hockey It has the least players because it has the least opportunities.

@@MrJohansen what came first 5.074 million people in Alabama not building rinks, not playing hockey for the past 100 years..... or no opportunities....HAHAHAHAHA weird how every other state and province BUILT ARENAS BECAUSE THEY HAD FANS Alabama is the one state with no opportunities HAHAHAHAH more like....nobody wants to watch hockey in Alabama LITERALLY BOTTOM 5 HOCKEY MARKETS IN NORTH AMERICA

@@sampicano true but irrelevant

@@geoff3103 ir·rel·e·vant adjective - not connected with or relevant to something WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID?

There were no fans

Waaaaay too obvious.

The fans are never the problem. Plain and simple.

@@tonyc8752 For a so-called "hockey historian," you certainly don't know very much. True historians never go on numbers alone, but that seems to be all you're interested in; you don't care about the why's and the how's. You can throw out numbers and percentages all you want, but the fact remains that you weren't here, and you have no clue.

@@iplayfhorn LOL. The Thrashers drew 17,000 their first year and were down to 13,000 by year 2!!! They were basically 4K under capacity most years of their existence. Atlanta didn't support the Thrashers, even in the early days. Not a hockey city. Frankly, kinda a lousy sports city in general.

It wasn’t a cause so let’s take that right out of the conversation

In Minnesota Bill Masterton died of on an on ice injury that wasn't the cause of the North Stars leaving town

@@michaelleroy9281 Imagine how far the Thrashers would have gone with Heatley and Kovalchuk. The Thrashers would have likely won a Stanley Cup by now and they would still be in Atlanta to this day. That was all shattered because Heatley was driving too fast.

it was the lack of hockey fans in Georgia

@@sampicano you’d be absolutely fucking wrong. Fun fact, the Thrashers outdrew Chicago and Boston 3 out of 5 years before the owner started suing themselves in regards to Joe Johnson and the Hawks that’s why the Thrashers failed. Your logic is that the more southern latitude someone goes the person loses their ability to view a puck. Maybe take a look into what happened to the Atlanta Spirit group before popping off in the comment section.

Being a billionaire tells you everything you need to know about them. They hoard and collect money on the assumption that they'll be able to take it with them when they die. So when a franchise isn't lining their pockets as much as they thought, or they're having to spend anything more than a penny out of their own pocket to run it....they push it away like rich kids who just saw a new iPhone just came out. God forbid you spend anything to build a new arena.... Nah lets make the taxpayers pay for it. (which these billionaires arent, because their money goes into off-shore accounts so they can collect more of it) Or else they'll throw a fit when they refuse to build one themselves while dangling the franchise over that areas population. Billionaires arent the solution. Theyre the problem.

You think we’ll get another team soon?

@@JustinWoodwardComedy I do. I think the NHL will go back into Atlanta and Phoenix, also add Houston, and finally go back to Quebec..I don't think they can overlook Canada again if they go to 36 teams

@@kjorlaug1 if the NHL cares about TV ratings they'll go to Phoenix,Atlanta, and Houston. I'm seriously....how does a league like the NHL with their built-in TV handicaps ignore/screw up those 3 big markets? They should move Carolina to Atlanta. Raleigh is worthless for the NHL.

Oh, as long as Gary Bettman is alive, he'll find a way. Who saw Salt Lake City getting a team coming?

No we blame Atlanta Spirit.

Kinda sucks for Arizona

@@codylegare4649 kinda well deserved for Arizona....out of 124 professional sports teams in North America...Coyotes were the lowest valued team.... good for the NHL, trim the fat

​@@sampicanodue to their incompetent ownership and mismanagement. I would love to have the Coyotes back in with stable ownership

@@kingmo8789 in 28 years the Coyotes were a NET LOSS team And the NHL is a revenue sharing league... So in 28 years...the Coyotes had to be PROPPED up and supported by getting hand outs from ACTUAL succesful teams

@@sampicano because of their owners are a disaster. Alex Murelo was the coup de grace of that franchise. Having new arena proposal full of empty promises, burning the bridge of their fanbase and community, getting the team kicked out of Glendale for not paying the bills on time.

(EDIT: I re-read what you wrote: "until they sold to the Spirit." You are correct!) The Hawks outdrew the Thrashers in each of the Thrashers last four seasons. That said, the Flames vastly outdrew the Hawks most of the time. And if you averaged out the Thrashers 99-11 attendance vs the Hawks, the Thrashers probably come out ahead. The biggest problem the NHL has always had in Atlanta is owners and city officials that take the NBA more seriously. Hawks being bonded to the arena, the Thrashers not. The shared revenues of a NBA franchise outweighing that of a NHL franchise (therefore making sale for relocation more tempting). Plus, an additional factor that made owners lose interest in their NHL teams faster than the Hawks is that while the Hawks have had many lean attendance years, it's never stopped Atlanta from being a big television market for basketball. Whereas the television audience for the Thrashers in particular was always negligible. Arguably with the death of traditional television and diminished influence of the "Fox Sports South" model, the latter detail might not be as important anymore.

@@brycemcneil4404 I think you're spot on. And frankly, I think it's why the NHL should not sell their franchises to people who own another major sports franchise. In the case of Atlanta Spirit, clearly they saw the Thrashers as competition to the Hawks. So keep the Trashers down and then sell them for a tidy profit while now eliminating the competition is such a blatant conflict of interest. I fear we will see it in Salt Lake City now, too. The thing is- Atlanta is a good hockey market- much better than some of the markets Bettman has catered to. A regional hub beyond that of which Nashville or Raleigh could ever be, but also they've drawn good numbers for the Gwinnett Gladiators. Georgia Tech's club team is usually very good. There's lots of interest from fans. Get good management- for a chance- and Atlanta will be one of the sports top markets.

No city deserves a team less than Atlanta

@@tonyc8752 Okay, we all know you don't like Atlanta. Thanks for playing.

And I expect if that happens then in 12 years or so they will be relocated to Saskatoon !

​@@XxxXxx-fm3wo or with stable ownership it can work

I think 2027.

That's why everyone was happy when they were eliminated by Dallas. Sadly, they'll do this again when the Coyotes return and get Auston Matthews and rig the expansion draft so that Arizona can buy a Stanley Cup just like Vegas.

Neither of which had anything to do with fan support. IN EIGHT SEASONS (8), the Atlanta Flames: -Had higher attendance than the Pittsburgh Penguins 6 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Chicago Blackhawks 6 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Detroit Redwings 4 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Los Angeles Kings4 seasons. In ELEVEN SEASONS (11), the Atlanta Thrashers: -Had higher attendance than the Phoenix Coyotes 8 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the New York Islanders 8 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the New Jersey Devils 5 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Anaheim Mighty Ducks 5 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Washington Capitals 5 seasons. -Had higher attendance than the Nashville Predators 6 seasons. -Had higher attendance than Chicago Blackhawks 5 seasons. There are currently three ownership groups who have plans to bring the NHL back to Atlanta. Three. It's going to happen.

ATLANTA THRASHERS ATTENDACES: - The Atlanta Thrashers and Flames attendances were BAD....do not let anyone lie to you and tell you otherwise 2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,469) 2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance (13,607) 2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance (14,626) 2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance (15,831) 2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance (16,240) - the inaugural season (1999) was the best attended season for Atlanta - it is NEVER a good sign when your first year is the most successful -the attendance just dropped off after that - 2007 was the Thrashers SECOND best season ever in attendance with a truly pathetic 16,240....(only good enough for 21st in the NHL that year) - 2007 was also Atlanta's most successful year in the league losing in the Eastern Conference Quarter Finals - Atlanta Thrashers second BEST was only good enough for 21st in the NHL in 2007 - IMAGINE being in a race, and you're finishing 29/30, 28/30, 22/30, 21st place out of 30 runners is considered good in your mind???? Atlanta was a complete joke. The attendances were truly pathetic. 2011 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2010 - 28th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2009 - 29th/30 teams in NHL attendance 2008 - 22nd/30 teams in NHL attendance 2007 - 21st/30 teams in NHL attendance - Atlanta Thrashers second BEST attended season (16,240) would be 26th in today's NHL

@@sampicano You're a glass half full kind of guy.

They are a top-10 TV market. And where do you think the TNT studio is?

@@willp.8120 No, he's a douchebag kind of guy.

Facts

Well he cant obviously he hasnt hit puberty

Thrashers fans at that point were nothing more than alimony payments because of Joe Johnson.

Well, when the team returns in the 2027-2029 time frame, which seems to be the plan, they won't be playing in the City of Atlanta, most likely, but rather a suburban area with competent leadership and access to the fan base. Think of the Braves success since they moved to the suburbs.

The NHL teams that lost the most money over the past decade (2012-2021): -$152,900,000 = Florida Panthers (Miami - 6,183,199) -$141,600,000 = Arizona Coyotes (Phoenix - 4,845,832) -$108,800,000 = Carolina Hurricanes (Raleigh-Durham - 1,509,231) -$83,500,000 = Anaheim Ducks (Los Angeles-Anaheim - 12,799,100) -$76,000,000 = Columbus Blue Jackets (Columbus - 2,180,271) -$74,400,000 = Tampa Lightning (Tampa-Saint Petersburg - 3,342,963) -$59,900,000 = Buffalo Sabres (Buffalo - 1,155,604) -$130,000,000 = Atlanta Thrashers (Atlanta - 6,307,261) [Atlanta lost $130 million in 5 years from 2005 to 2010] +$4,900,000 = Winnipeg Jets (Winnipeg - 758,515) +$50,900,000 = Ottawa Senators (Ottawa - 1,017,449) So Ottawa generated $50.9 million.... 1 million Canadians using Canadian currency generated 50.9 million dollars 6.1 million Americans in Miami lost 152 million dollars 4.8 million Americans in Phoenix lost 141 million dollars 12.9 million Americans in Anaheim lost 76 million dollars 3.3 million Americans in Tampa lost 74 million dollars 5.2 million Americans in Atlanta lost 130 million dollars 830,000 Canadians in Winnipeg generated 5 million dollars How insanely stupid would you have to be to just want to lose money in Miami, Anaheim, Atlanta, Phoenix, Columbus, Tampa....instead of making money in Edmonton, Ottawa, Winnipeg. I hope Atlanta sets RECORDS FOR MONEY LOST. I hope we can relocate them forever, and we never have to hear another lie about Atlanta hockey ever again. You don't even have an AHL team...Atlanta is SUCH A GOOD HOCKEY MARKET....but lost 2 NHL teams and DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AN AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE TEAM! HAHAHAHA Hershey Pennsylvania is a better hockey market

32 teams is enough 8 teams in 4 divisions has worked just fine since 2013-14

LMFAO STRONGLY DISAGREE

Turns out they had the sickest owners in 2 franchises

Sickest in another way last time I checked Atlanta failed twice in the NHL

let me clear it up a bit Atlanta FAILED TWICE because there are no hockey fans in Georgia. FACTS. Georgia was ranked 40th out of 50 states in overall hockey registration in 2022 - Georgia was ranked 46th out of 50 states in hockey registration per capita in 2022 - Hockey registration in Georgia was 0% in 1970. - Hockey registration in Georgia was 0.02% in 2022. - In 104 years it would be 0.04% growth rate… 52 years = 0.02% growth 26 years = 0.01% growth That would be like having 100 people play hockey, and in 26 years you only have 101 people playing…. WHERE ARE ALL THE FANS?????? HOW COME ATLANTA GLADIATORS CAN'T MANAGE 50% CAPACITY???????? PATHETIC HOCKEY MARKET - BETTER FOCUS ON THE HAWKS BEFORE YOU LOSE THEM TOO

Very true. Downtown works for the Falcons because it’s only 8 times a year mostly on Sundays. The Hawks work because of basketball broader appeal. The Braves figured this out and built a new stadium in the burbs. The right owner with the right arena location and with the better expansion draft rules Atlanta can succeed in the NHL

it didn't matter where you put the team since Georgia doesn't support hockey...compared to every other state and province that's the problem, that's why small cities in Canada do better that's why Buffalo and Pittsburgh did better...it's because those re BETTER HOCKEY MARKETS

@@sampicano that isn’t true. There are plenty of hockey fans in Georgia and Arizona but it has to be easily accessible to them. If you look at what I wrote above, people did not like going to Braves games during the weekday because of the traffic getting from the suburbs to downtown Atlanta. So the Braves left a stadium that wasn’t even 20 years old and built one in the suburbs closer to where the fans were coming from. The panthers did the same when they moved out of downtown Miami because most of the hockey fans in south Florida live around Fort Lauderdale. Most of the affluent population live well outside the interstate perimeter to the west and north and just aren’t going to go to weekly games during the week if it means getting home well after 11pm. That’s why there a push to get an arena built in the suburbs in hopes get another expansion team and the league will give them one before any other city in Canada.

😂😂😂😂

the same guy refusing to give brindamour a pay raise????????? wow....are you his wife?

"Waddell is a quality GM in Carolina" Gone within three weeks of you saying that. That is insane coincidence. You couldn't have been more wrong. Waddell is a quality GM in Carolina...fired 20 days later. Imagine. How do you see the world? What a GREAT GM-fired the next day lmfao

The highest concern was cost cutting

The lack of fans in Georgia was also park of the problem. 11 million people but you can't buy merchandise, or tickets...Vancouver hasn't won a cup in 54 yeas HOW'S THEIR REVENUE? HOW'S THEIR ATTENDACES? It's ALWAYS an excuse in Atlanta, small hockey markets seem to make it work. Truth hurts.

Hemsky shoots and he scores! Can you believe what we just saw?

They were a minor league team

What??

Manon Rheaume

@@jbj7599The Atlanta Knights played in the International Hockey League from 1992-96. They won the 1994 Turner Cup. After leaving Atlanta, the team played for two seasons as the Quebec Rafales.

@@veggieoilerfan2940 👍

- Georgia was ranked 40th out of 50 states in overall hockey registration in 2022 - Georgia was ranked 46th out of 50 states in hockey registration per capita in 2022 - Hockey registration in Georgia was 0% in 1970. - Hockey registration in Georgia was 0.02% in 2022. - In 104 years it would be 0.04% growth rate… 52 years = 0.02% growth 26 years = 0.01% growth That would be like having 100 people play hockey, and in 26 years you only have 101 people playing…. Fun fact: Florida, California, Texas...ALL HAVE MUCH MUCH MUCH MUC better hockey enrollment....Georgia is 46th out of 50 states.... hawaii has worse registration....alabama, lousiana, new mexico, arkansas.....like....that's it...Georgia is literally on a BOTTOM 5 list for hockey registration. It is a GARBAGE HOCKEY MARKET....Prince Edward Island....in Canada has more hockey players....and only 150 thousand people. Georgia has over 11 million people but has less hockey players than PEI.....wow..... #NeverAtlanta #NevaATL

@sampicano that's wild. I didn't know they had stats like that. Makes sense. As I think about it, kind of not surprised chocolate city wouldn't be a hockey hub🤣🤣.