Please do this!!!!

How would you even test that? Live it runnuning cinebench 24/7 for months? Yeah maybe like that.

^^^ jay !

Yeah it is funny I am still rocking an old ass 4770K Overclocked to 4.5 GHZ stable 24/7. I am even able to go up to 4.7 GHZ but 4.5 is fully stable with good temperatures and only 1.26 volts. I guess Intel might be superior guys?

I have a busted 9900k to confirm 🙄

Undervolting is probably the best option for tweaking. My advice is not to mess with anything outside of PBO. PBO is still running within spec, it just removes the power limit.

Undervolting is all good if power prices are high where you live, otherwise leave it stock and tweak RAM instead.

I'm giving my 3900x the full send. PBO on, voltage set to auto. Even if this cpu faces issues later on, the 4000 series CPUs will be out later this year and I'll pick one of those up.

I do have the Crosshair Hero 8 and 1.4v is TOO HIGH, even for a high-end system... I wonder if the latest BIOS will set these voltages to a more reasonable level... 1.47v is too aggressive

@@thestig007 Ah to be rich

same bundescock

The issue is you can validate an o/c but only for the short term, the threshold of stability is changing because of the high volts used to achieve it. In the past you tested a new CPU, backed off by 1 step on both V and frequency and a stable system tuned to it's CPU resulted, which (usually) ran problem free for years until it caught fire due to dust build up. Your time is better spent playing Doom Eternal rather than doing experiments on your CPU which are likely to screw up the careful factory binning and dynamic CPU management

@@RobBCactive just saying, ive ran my 1700 at 4ghz on a b350-f since the week after ryzen launched and i still have the same overclock set today, at the same voltage (1.4-1.43v) and ive had no degradation

PLANDEMIC...

Scamdemic...

J I have 3 stations with Zen cpus in and like you say they are full sending the voltage on stock settings. I would love to know if my CPU are dying. Maybe run a Intel CPU next to it for a comparison? Thank You for the awesome content as always.

ditto

Dito

What’s your overclock at? I’m at 4.3ghz all cores at 1.25volts. Runs really cool

same

Its a deepfake, that's not Jay.

Revenge of the hammer!

He’s a shill for big bandaid

I've got a scratch on my forehead that I don't remember getting, and while I have got 40 or so vehicles lying around outside, I don't remember working on any of them lately.

@@HauntedCorpseGaming so you are saying linus took his channel over?

I second this.

@@OlaffLudwig I third this.

Yup, Jay please do it!

Plz

Because they can leave a rig sat somewhere for a year or so.......... Deg is vastly overtalked about and completely blown out of proportion by reddit experts. You won't deg a chip unless you put stupid voltage through it.

I just let PBO enabled (5950x) with a good cooler, and monitoring sotware shows me 4 cores over 5K Mgh and most others ranging 4.5 to 4.9 .. I don't think I need to push all that further and damage anything too : I decided to quit learning about OC that specific cpu/ram/mb alliance.. fair enough power pseudo stock.

Agreed or Rosetta@home as it is more CPU intensive. Folding@home is more suited for GPU calculation.

This is an excellent idea! :) Folding or Rosetta, both have CPU WUs. I think Folding@home has problems with larger thread count processors, though, so maybe Rosetta would be the way to go.

Buildzoid has already reported this behavior though it would be good to have a 2nd example or "confirmation on the behavior". Would also be good to ramp the voltage up slowly so we can tell at what point the voltage degradation is occurring. That would be super useful to the community.

lmao!!

lol I saw it last video as well. I still have a Win95 system

Not gonna lie I was like “damn didn’t even think could run it at first”

Lol I thought he was from the thumbnail 😁

@Atlantean If you know how to code maybe not!

Dont waste your time on a revamped 3700x. It was made, the 3800xt, to raise the average sale price of amd across the board. If you already have a 3000 series, hard pass. If not, go with a 3600xt, or 3900xt. The 3800x should have never really existed.

He wanted the Fabric to be stable at 1:1 aka 1800Mhz. Prior to the XT series, unless you won the silicon lottery you could almost never get above 1900mhz and that would have been 1934."Most people" would be fine at DOCP and it sets memory timings as well so Jay would likely benefit in this case

ram speed does matter a little on AMD but ram speed matching the infinity fabric matters most. fastest STABLE IF speed is usually right around 1800mhz, so running that setting and ram at 3600 with some tighter timings will get you MUCH faster performance across the board

@@blatcher2 I know exactly what he was doing.

blatcher2 XTs should run at 1900 IF stable Steve from GN was demonstrating this on his 3600XT OC.

@@ghomerhust Ram speed absolutely matters a lot - up to a point. There are diminishing returns past a point... but more important than ram speed is ram timings, they are HUGE for ryzen and zen 2 specifically. 3600mhz CL14 (and just as important, optimized subtimings... 14-14-14-14-30-56 etc etc) is the sweet spot for zen 2 tuning. Why? because it gets you 95% of the maximum potential gains, without needing the very best most expensive exotic ram kits. Even CL15 or 16 is pretty great (at 3600-3800mhz). If you can do 3800mhz (1:1 with 1900 fclock) and keep the timings at 14, that's just about as good as it gets. DOCP settings are TRASH, and thus Jay's settings are trash. it wont matter for cinebench or most other all-core workloads, but for gaming it's significant. it doesn't matter if he runs 1:1 at 3600mhz, his timings are garbage... he lowered his ram speed without even tightening the timings... his DOCP timings where what... cl 18-19? makes me puke. he's leaving 5-10% gaming performance on the table. he doesn't know how to optimize/tweak zen 2 period, he's a novice... one level over a beginner. the average AMD subredditer knows more than Jay on this topic. he's flat out wrong about average all-core overclocks for zen 2, which have always been minimum 4.3, and mostly 4.4ghz. all these reviewers that stuck with their SUPER early silicon apparently never realized how quickly and drastically it improved, within months. my 3800x from feb 2020 hits 4.6 all core ~1.4v, and 4.5ghz all core ~ 1.35v. it can boot at 1.3 but it's not stable. but it could probably do 4.4 at 1.25v literally NO ONE is stuck at 4.1-4.2 like he says, except for trash early silicon or NON X series parts with garbage CCD's by design... they're the lowest bins. even the average 3700x, a mediocre bin, hits 4.4ghz all core... at least in 2020.

It's both. When he's in the BIOS you can see the 1.46v on the right hand side

@@dremoralord6730 This has been well established for a while now. Auto settings on zen2 will run ~1.45v during single core and very light workloads. It uses a very complex automatic algorithm that dials back voltage to around 1.2v-1.3v during all core workloads. You can even see it yourself using monitoring software. It will never run anywhere near 1.45v during an all core workload with auto settings, even with PBO settings maxed out. I've had zen2 since launch day and never once messed with the voltage and I haven't had any degradation. It's best to leave the cpu multiplier and voltages on auto. Manually tweaking RAM frequency and timings using DRAM calculator is a good way to squeeze out some extra performance. More gains to be had here than you would by manually OCing the CPU.

@@NigguhMake I forgot about that. Aida64 will show you that live. Auto or load line calibration will do that.

@@NigguhMake yep, since the BIOS is a light workload, it's entirely possible it runs at about 1.45V if you have PBO enabled. And yep, I'm pretty sure Jay did not notice that he left it on a static 1.46 when using ryzen master. With 7 cores at 3.7/3.9 and one at 4.7, it will never apply 1.46V on auto settings. I don't blame him, ryzen master will not warn you. It will only warn you if you do not include the manual voltage setting when setting core clocks manually. There is a way to find safe voltages and that is by enabling PBO, run different worst case allcore workloads, and extrapolate a voltage/frequency curve. Also, it's entirely up to you but don't use DRAM calculator, take your time to manually tune everything over a month or so. I guess it could be somewhat useful for the most popular ICs (i.e. B-die), but even then it can't account for all the other parts involved (mobo, CPU clocks, IMC, Data Fabric) Jay, about the other cores compensating clock speeds as you do per-core overclocking in Ryzen Master, it's because of the clock dividers. How they work I have no idea. If you set clocks per-CCX, you won't have that problem of course.

@@NigguhMake Que the "I was wrong" video at some point. As much as i like Jay sometimes he need to engage brain before opening his mouth..lol

I think when running stock or just PBO and Auto OC, degradation will not really be a problem that will affect lifespan, just keep your bios up to date so that mobo manages power correctly.

@@tortuga_za I mean why would anyone who wants to use hardware for a "long" time do that anyway when it provides auto OC itself?

I have the same plan.. im on a i7 3770

Been running my 6700k at 4.7ghz 1.35v since day one....4 years later it still scoring the same in tests. Silicon degradation is so minor it only becomes an issue when you are doing extreme OC (for me that would be 4.9ghz at 1.4v and after that nothing will run.) Every cpu is different.

I think that the long term degradation project sounds good. When testing performance, you shoot for best case scenario e.g. CPU testing with a 2080ti on the test bench so this test should be shooting for worst case scenario. If you do it with Folding@Home then you can test with CPU pegged at 100% AND help towards a bigger cause... Win Win situation imo.

...and then Scott Baio gave him pink-eye...

Hate it when they go through the forehead to plant an anal probe.

Hopefully the Alien didn't have Covid.

That explains why he can't speak properly then. 😲

Maybe hit will make him "digress" less.

The problem from that though is you get different qualities of the same chip. Who's to say the best or worst chip will be the 1 he's overclocking?

3point1 that’s true but it’s still better than not having a control

3point1 I don’t think it would matter about cpu quality because you’re running one at stock and one overclocked, then comparing the changes in speed over time, therefore if the overclocked cpu decreases in speed more (has a greater delta) than the stock cpu (or vice versa) you have a conclusion

You do not need one as long as you document well enough the performance of the chip you start with. Like voltages Vs stable clock speed, performance at various clock speed etc. Doing these initial tests with a precise set of 2x8 decently timed ram. Then you take off those ram chips to preserve them and run the degradation load with a sacrificial ram kit. This way at the end you'll have the CPU as only variable.

I think that is the one he modded for the star wars build

Thanos : JUST DO IT

"Owwww, WTF.... How did I get that" yea.... I've said that many many times...

Always the outside of the pinky finger.

I was a Printer for many years & would constantly get paper cuts without noticing until I washed my hands

@Warm Soft Kitty a person who runs a printing press, I started my apprenticeship in 1986 when I was 15, I used to print Letterheads (Before Email), Business Cards, Wedding Invites, Hospital Forms, Advertising Brochures, Annual reports, Raffle Tickets, all sorts of stuff

If you have grey hairs like him or almost no hair anymore, tapping del will be hard to let go. Been tapping del to reach bios for, dare I say it, almost thirty years now ...

Managed 4.2ghz all core with 1.15v just hated the amount of heat from pbo this was on a 3600

@@cjttuapawa 5.3 ghz on 8 cores here on a NH15 aircooler.

I gave up using pbo cuz i kept getting crashes, i think i have a poorly binned 3900x, i have a noctua nh15 cooler and a high spec machine too.

After leaving my 3800x stock for a while, recently I tried going manual. Running 4.4 ghz at 1.275v with cooler temps (~66c on a 10 min Cinebench R20 run vs. mid 70s [Corsair h115i]). All core score went up a few hundred points while single core is functionally the same (+/- 2-3 points).

@@sambarnett8041 nice undervolt im running same speeds but at 1.375v

Dont touch the CPU, tune the RAM. If you can get 3733, or even 3800 with Infinityfabrickclock in sync and low latencies stable on the Memory, you will gain way more than anything else. The boost of those ryzen2s is way better, than anything you can achieve manually.

@@Gottwtf So ryzen chips are simply much worse without these tweaks. It seems ryzen is not as powerful as some people might say. So why even with these tweaks, it cannot beat a $400 Intel CPU like 10700K ? It should mean Ryzen without tweaks is way worse than a 10700K.

I can only give you my personal experience with my 3800X: Out of the Box with 3200RAM C20 Score: 4900 PBO and 3200 RAM: 4950 (insanely hot, 90C on Custom Water) syncing IF manually to 1600: 4850 (no idea why my score went down, but i could consistently reproduce this with different settings) All core frequency locked @ 4,3GHz with a VID of 1,26V an 3200RAM gave me the best score 5150 and only 65°C...

That's what you call cheap? That GPU isn't bad. It's a good mid range card. A lot of people would be happy to have. As it seems like you don't have financial problems and you are just waiting for the new gen I hope that you will sell that RX 5600XT cheaply on the used market for people who might need it😊

@GraveNoX Well, where i live, the 10700k costs 50% more than the 3800X with basically the same performance...

Is that actually what they say?

@@gangigooga7710 Yes. Read their warranty information

@@christophervanzetta but it's hardly enforced because it's basically impossible for AMD to tell if someone actually used it or not. Unless you're dumb enough to tell them.

@@fireonyxiaz That's a pretty nasty stab in the back, I thought that AMD was the 'customer friendly underdog' you just gonna do them dirty like that?

No he had visitor From Intel HQ because he's not doing enough to promote intel :)

Yeah probably, but Intel actually needs to overclock to touch Ryzen performance. Not to mention Ryzens are so so much more efficient. 45w compared to 95 and even 105w? Not even a question. Not to mention 7nm is king, and 14nm is old hat.

@@Bobdylan12121 But is 14nm++++++++ old hat?

@@Bobdylan12121 I mean you are right but we cannot ignore that Intel can challenge AMD and even overcome it in some cases if over clocked to its limit at least Intel is trying to give competition

toenails? you mean fingernails right?

PapayaMan I think he meant what he said 😂😂

@@papayaman123 Does 69 sound familiar?

@@bukhosim2829 you're disgusting

@@iBoolGuy haha oh gosh

Still, my 3600 with a 2080 super is almost on par in performance with a 8700k. The only time you see a big difference is if you have say a 9900k with a 2080ti, and playing at 1080p with medium or low settings to really get the frames high. However if you are playing with graphic settings maxed or on ultra, the cheapo 3600 almost matches the flagship expensive Intel cpus, as well as the 3900x.

The 8 cores have dual 4 core ccx thats enough cores in 1 ccx to not cause issues benchmarks prove

I'm sure KZfaq will correct it's ways now that you commented this

@@deminybs hehe i wish but that's how KZfaq works :/

Multimillion dollar company guys

Yt broken everywhere :(

For me 1hour later youtube says 16 comments and there's hundreds.

Yeah my Gf has a 1200 that I was able to get running at 4.225, but I’ve left it at 4.1 because I don’t want to risk it being unstable

dude the best I could get on a 1600x was 3.85 all core, it defaults to single core 4.15-ish. is that 4.15 all-core? if so, damn, talk about good silicon lottery

What voltage? Mine runs perfectly fine at 1.35v 3.8GHz and I feel like stressing it at 1.4v 3.9GHz. Might do 4.0 but that's probably 1.45v and is not a good idea for a 24/7 schedule.

@@yammarques depends heavily on the board. first gen ryzen had crap boards with crap VRMs that are no good for OC. second gen boards were a little better but ASRock and cheap ASUS stayed being crap for OC.

@@rawdez_ my cheap asrock lets me OC my 2600 to all core 4.2 so idk about the whole asrock being crap for OC