I can't agree with you here Jay. These all look pretty fun in silly way. And the bases are important. Everything should have bases. They unify the army.
@jasonlee9422 Жыл бұрын
ya I never really likes the baseless models
@KamenRiderGreed Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I like the look of them. Plus bases are *absolutely* necessary for the purpose of game mechanics.
@jasonlee9422 Жыл бұрын
@@KamenRiderGreed ya, it works ok for vehicles with clearly defined boarders and all but still would prefer a bace
@eberwald4438 Жыл бұрын
@@KamenRiderGreed Exactly. You have to measure from something. It's way better than a clear plastic circle or teardrop.
@patrik90a Жыл бұрын
Every model, even tanks!
@MrSupertrooper1 Жыл бұрын
Is this Jay's worst take? I can't believe it I'm usually 90% on board but this one I'm only 20% sure he has a point
@liamcunningham6303 Жыл бұрын
20% agreement is way too high, he evidently has no idea how endless spells work or the nature of the unit. This video is purely to ,set his criteria of 3 videos a week
@scrunglylittleguy Жыл бұрын
@@liamcunningham6303 no, I think this is how he really feels about these models but I do think he was pretty critical of the bases and some of the spells were great that he ripped apart for no reason.
@petermartin9224 Жыл бұрын
Though he has a point about the daughters of khaine heart, as I'm sure I've got that kicking around as a dark elf blood bowl token that I got as part of dungeon bowl
@scrunglylittleguy Жыл бұрын
@@petermartin9224 for sure there are some that could use an update but on the whole they could definitely be worse.
@petermartin9224 Жыл бұрын
@@scrunglylittleguy oh for sure
@koelkast9 Жыл бұрын
Some of the coolest minis: *exist * Jake: IT hAs A bAsE
@KamenRiderGreed Жыл бұрын
So, I can see where you're coming from Jay. Because if my research was correct, it's not the miniature sculpting team that designed the Endless Spells, but the Scenery Department. So it would make sense why you might not see the same sense of life or energy from them as normal miniatures. They were made by the people who sculpt the terrain kits. Also, I think for the purposes of gameplay, the Endless Spells *need* a base, so you have a "uniform", fixed point to measure their abilities from. This would matter for things that don't have uniform fixture points like the Burning Sigil or the Daemonic Simmulacrum in Tzeentch. Those don't have very wide points that would affix them to the table to let them stand on their own, much less measure abilities from, it'dbe so much shorter compared to the Bloodwrack Viper, which as you said has *multiple* points that could affox it to a table. So to account for that, GW might have to do really strange stuff with ranges of abilities if theyre working off of whatever random points of contact the models have to the tabletop, if they can stand at all on their own. If you ask me, they *need* a base to function. And beyond that, for some of them, the base adds an extra layers to the design, the Stormcast Metero, the Everblaze Comet, you can see on the base the churned up earth behind it, and in front is the buildup of soil that's been created from the impact zone, if it were just the Meteor itself, we wouldn't have that sense that it's punched a hole in the ground where it landed. The base there actually adds to the look of the piece itself, which I think is something else to take into account if you don't care about mechanics.
@ILoveWH40k Жыл бұрын
The endless spells being sculpted from the terrain team suddenly makes a lot more sense with how they fit together.
@BlastedRodent Жыл бұрын
I don’t really understand your distaste for the bases. GW bases always look very default and not that fitting, but that goes for all models. Why is it any worse than a base on a vehicle?
@lvl.150magier6 Жыл бұрын
Could not agree less, i love the bases of endless spells, they also allow you to add a glow to the burning ones
@kristianjensen5877 Жыл бұрын
I guess the reasoning for having bases is to have a uniform point of origin for measurements while playing and ensuring the models are treated "equally" across games. I think "Big models" also suffer from this issue, where a super cool model like Krondys/Karazai or Morathi look super dope on their own, but there's also a big old base underneath them, which is just empty space that you'll need to make interesting somehow. That being said, GW should probably have opted for sculpted, translucent bases in an appropriate "faction" color instead of regular old black discs. Eg. the Tzeentch spells would have looked so cool sculpted in yellow translucent plastic with the top of the base being sculpted as if on fire, the "undead" spells would have looked sweet with bases in dark teal plastic modelled with skull-stuff and smoke and the blood stuff would look much better being translucent like what blood actually is. Maybe generally the models should have been cast in translucent plastic to make them stand out as "tokens" - people could then just paint the bits they'd want to look less ethereal on them. Edit. For the Daughters of Khaine "hand" spell, I carved out the center "heart" shape, put some translucent red film into place and installed a red LED inside, allowing the light when turned on to glow through the "window" as well as out the bottom of the hand. ... I also mounted a khaine-ified Light of Eltharion with LEDs installed into the torso standing on top - it still looks goofy as hell but the lighting helps sell the idea of it being some kind of magic effect rather a worldly "thing".
@cerohero1 Жыл бұрын
There's also the utility of the base from a stability perspective. You can get much more dynamic poses I would assume if you assume the model is glued down rather than having to balance on its feet
@Urukguy27 Жыл бұрын
I came down here IMMEDIATELY in the defense of bases lol. I’d always rather have such visually impressive pieces on bases to fit in with the army
@jeanphilippemoiny2712 Жыл бұрын
I love having large empty bases, basing is my favorite part of the miniature :D
@kristianjensen5877 Жыл бұрын
@@Urukguy27 Big bases are... fine. I often find it annoying to plan out and find a lot of crap to stick on there to simply fill them out though, as they'd otherwise just be a large flat surfaces with some sand and a couple of tufts on them.
@tristanlee8495 Жыл бұрын
I really like the endless spells, conceptually. I think they have the potential to be some of the coolest models GW makes because they're very unrestrictive visually, but instead of these insane magic explosions we get duplicated spider, two halves of a bone bridge. As they currently stand their greatest use is as kitbash fodder.
@spatzilly Жыл бұрын
yep, they're D tier games workshop models
@EarthenPanda Жыл бұрын
Hot take. Bases are totally needed and the worst sculpts (Night Haunt) are just about equivalent or better than several of the minis your patreon has released (Demonettes).
@Shep-1701 Жыл бұрын
Some of those Patreon minis look like they were pulled out of an Xbox 360 game and fluffed up with stock 3D assets ngl
@fergaloconnell1535 Жыл бұрын
To be fair the patreon is 2 guys and gw is a billion dollar company they shouldn't be making stuff on par with two random guys selling stls
@Crackbone123 Жыл бұрын
For a moment i thought that the title of the video was ironic. Out of all the gw model series, there is no other that is more useful for kitbashing
@gaborboth3602 Жыл бұрын
Gotta measure from them, so the bases are a must. By and large I love the sculpts too, personally.
@Dark_Templar28 Жыл бұрын
Dice rolling across the table break immersion for me. Idk I like the 3D spell sculpts.
@games-wz7sz Жыл бұрын
"It's not how this would work in real life" "blood doesn't look like this" Bro, it's magic
@BatteredWalrus Жыл бұрын
They look a bit goofy sure, but warhammer (fantasy, AOS and 40K) has always had a goofy side to them, so to me these fit in perfectly.
@weston5716 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed less with a take. Great looking models across the board and outside of that amazing conversion fodder. I don’t know what the hang up on bases is about. You need to be able to move, measure from, and transport these and bases facilitate that.
@Jamerific Жыл бұрын
I don't know, I think you are just finishing for something to hate since you constantly keep saying "this is lame" or "that is lame". I honestly think they all look rather awesome, including their paint jobs. I could totally see myself using these minis for other games besides Warhammer.
@ogrynmod1765 Жыл бұрын
At this point he likes nothing why is he in the hobby
@christopherszynkowski2524 Жыл бұрын
Gotta disagree on the whole bases thing. All endless spells have ranges that need consistent measurements, and a base has a far clearer point to measure to. Without them, there would be room for abuse in measuring to points on the minis with all their extra overhanging parts.
@Ryzearn Жыл бұрын
Sylvaneth endless spells are perfection
@remylebeau1122 Жыл бұрын
I have to say, I usually agree with him, but not here. And that is fine, but a couple of things I had issue with: 1) repeating the complaint against bases for every spell. 2) you should really read the flavor text for each of these. There is so much lore there.
@lordtriky15 Жыл бұрын
I'm sitting here thinking all of these look sweet. Guess I have bad taste in tacky effects when it comes to AoS :p
@MogoPrime Жыл бұрын
Nope. This one ain't it, chief. These spells look amazing. Just because they may not meet your specific imagining of them does not mean they aren't imaginative, and I think they are at least a useful item to give scale and draw attention to a spell that your enemy needs to take seriously. "Invariably, your bases aren't going to have the right terrain!" Yeah. Duh. Your units have the exact same quandary and no one cares. If you have brown dirt on your bases but you're on a snowy map, you get over it. It's fine.
@dyslexichitman Жыл бұрын
I'm sad with all of your discussion you didn't talk at all about the 'neutral' endless spells, that's where the best designed ones live!
@pogsothoth Жыл бұрын
The gloomspite ones could all individually be album covers
@wyattbooth6372 Жыл бұрын
I think part of why these models have bases is so you can measure from the edge of the base for movement purposes in the tabletop.
@rauliglesias3210 Жыл бұрын
I think that if the endless spells had special bases that looked like magic arcana, instead of regular dirt like the rest of the army, Jay would like them more.
@philpeters3689 Жыл бұрын
But his reasoning is that "Oh if im playing on lava my spells won't match" neither would your units.... It's a bad take
@phoenixheart79 Жыл бұрын
"Tokens shouldn't have bases" *stares at lovingly crafted gravesite markers with headstones etc that are on bases and cries* (Made them back when the card token was the size of an oval base, not the current penny sized one)
@legionnaireminis Жыл бұрын
Strong disagree about the bases, but i base tanks soooo each to their own. ✨️
@ChampstylesTLT Жыл бұрын
I legit wanted Jay to roast Nighthaunts a lil more 😂
@oldschoolfrp2326 Жыл бұрын
Stormcast meteor belongs on every Mordheim table
@jack-a-lopium Жыл бұрын
Don't agree with a single word uttered in this video... still good just to hear Jay's thoughts, ha ha!
@thepenismightier Жыл бұрын
In todays episode Jay gets annoyed at bases for 20 minutes 🤣
@paudromo6800 Жыл бұрын
I’m confused
@Adonzin Жыл бұрын
I like silly Warhammer. Which sometimes means being uncool.
@UnhappyCamper96 Жыл бұрын
It's hilarious that the storm of hammers has all the hammers perfectly upright.
@adron1261 Жыл бұрын
Definitely many that should just have been units, like finish the death boatman and put him as a real unit could be really cool. I personally like bases but it gets a bit awkward if its a "generic" or grand alliance spell you may be using in more than one force.
@moroncrow9820 Жыл бұрын
And they did
@emanueleragazzi341 Жыл бұрын
They made a death boatman
@adron1261 Жыл бұрын
@@emanueleragazzi341 still half a boat, and I like the spell guy better.
@FadingClarity Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I understand why you're complaining about the blood snakes scales being "copy pasted" as if you were hoping that every single scale would be a unique shape, which would make the model incredibly confusing to look at.
@davelane1773 Жыл бұрын
😂 the hammer tornado immediately had me looking for Tara Reed and the Sharknado.
@williambond2267 Жыл бұрын
The chaos symbol with the face belching fire would be a cool shield for a demon prince or some other big grandiose chaos model. Like hold up a shield that spits fire at anyone on the other side. That would be cool. I agree most of these would be better as kitbash pieces.
@jeremiahshepard6566 Жыл бұрын
Whats awful to me is most endless spell are only used for measuring then you remove it from play (burning head) one example
@nenadsavanovic8628 Жыл бұрын
You're right. For GW to be charging 10,000% on plastic they could at least try.
@CptnAwsmBalls Жыл бұрын
I'm going to feel ripped off if Seraphon don't get some sweet looking spells.
@michaelstythax137 Жыл бұрын
Storm of hammers would be cooler if the hammer heads were facing outward of the storm, as it is the spell looks like you're just as liable to get hit with the storm of handles than the storm of hammers.
@spamshinobi Жыл бұрын
They could just add transparent bases as well
@MechaEmperor7000 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the Beastmen endless spells cost the same as a single flock of old finecast Razorwing. You literally could toss the horn and the taurus away and still get three times the value out of that one.
@NoxiousNox Жыл бұрын
I really like endless spells, especially the flesh eater court ones- sure it’s my faction but it’s takes into shape with its use, as the Chalice brings back wounds and models. So I enjoy it’s esthetic as a way to show the feast that drives the court. And bases may be weak, but it’s not something that can’t be fixed with not to much difficulty.
@jamesflames6987 Жыл бұрын
A case for fully transparent bases.
@petermartin9224 Жыл бұрын
I think the endless spells are more a product of designers in training, far better to cut their teeth on these rather then a mainline unit. Seems Jay's biggest bugbear is just they all use bases 🤣
@artificieraustin4855 Жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, idk if you'll see this but I watch your show every day after my night shift at the ER. Watching you talk about minis helps me unwind and makes me happy. I was wondering what your thoughts on the rampant games like dragon rampant or xenos rampant? Stay awesome man
@andrewrowe3686 Жыл бұрын
I can't get past the "They're tokens" argument? They have movement and effects. Essentially summonable units like the undead in malifaux
@kaz9357 Жыл бұрын
I think the clear plastic actually would have made a ton of sense. The bases however... its for gameplay rules, so I get it.
@KayosWONER Жыл бұрын
its funny I almost never agree with EonsOfBattle on what looks cool and doesn't, I like these models
@johnbeaudoin7820 Жыл бұрын
My first job when I was 16 was at Spirit Halloween, so I enjoyed your Nighthaunt take-down.
@aqua77342 ай бұрын
Bases are important, no one wants their beautiful paintwork to be scraping against the ground and to be smudged by greasy fingers because there's nowhere to pick it up from.
@irishconan722 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Jay you're alone on this one I think everything should have a base it's a universal all-uniting aspect of the game
@kenupton4084 Жыл бұрын
Once upon a time, in days of old, I had a friend that worked in a plastic injection factory. He would bring home all kinds of strange lumps of various kinds of plastic. It would be the drippings from nozzles and feed lines. Some of them made for interesting terrain pieces (he played Chaos demons) but a few looked like a wave of stone or lava bursting from the ground or fire that was spreading outward and then strangely melting into the sky like the tentacles of jellyfish. We used to come up with ideas for "spells" and "psychic powers" as models instead of rules long before "endless spells" came along. I was really hoping for amazing things from GW even if just for converting and basing. But a lot of the spells were a major let down. The Blood Snake is pretty cool though. And ice always wanted the bull on fire. I never saw the Sylvaneth ones before! I want that tree to make into a tree lord/Centaur/Ursala sea witch kinda thing
@colbybastian17 Жыл бұрын
TORNADO OF HAMMERS IS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING I literally disagree with you on every evaluation of the new models.
@mateuszkrytyk5711 Жыл бұрын
These are one of the coolest models i have ever seen
@notme-oj3pc Жыл бұрын
James just finished a bunch of bases and really didn't want to even think about them any more lmao
@freakishuproar1168 Жыл бұрын
I say this with the greatest respect and in the friendliest way possible, because you're a cool dude and I like your videos - including this one ;p I absolutely love the Endless Spell models, I'd personally put them up there with some of my favourites. It might be because I've always been a big advocate for strange and unrealistic monsters, I love the "floating brain/eyeball/mass of whatsit" trope in D&D aberration type monsters, highly symbolic monstrous avatars of alchemy and Goetic practices, surreal RPG enemies (especially those that broadly fall under the "elemental" category), figurative stuff in contemporary art, even all those Pokémon based on inanimate objects that everyone else seems to hate - I love that stuff! I can honestly state that an entire faction of itinerant self-aware spells would be a dream come true for me. Admittedly I don't think all of the Endless Spells are equally good, but I genuinely like all of them.
@CawlMeBelisarius Жыл бұрын
I really like the Storm of Hammers. It looks ridiculous yes, but that makes it really really cool
@georgemarsden4226 Жыл бұрын
Watchers in the dark have been on bases for a long time... And they are tokens.
@sovietbear1917 Жыл бұрын
My wife got me the Sigmar endless spells because she thought the Hammer-nado was the coolest mini she'd ever seen.
@elias1579 Жыл бұрын
The blood filled chalice floats across the battlefield and blood starts bursting out of the enemies eyes. Blood starts to boil and it begins to rain blood and the ground becomes slick.
@firmak2 Жыл бұрын
also why does it matter if it was a unit or a spell? why does a namechange mean so much?
@nicholasstahl713 Жыл бұрын
I feel like there is some barely suppressed spell token related trauma going on from Jay's past here. Where you bullied by spell effect tokens as a kid Jay? This is a safe space... oh, no, wait. It's a KZfaq comments section... NOT SAFE! ABORT!
@Hulkskulker Жыл бұрын
Cool. Double down on this and make better ones for next month's patreon, and we'll see what we think of those.
@Mystrich Жыл бұрын
Nighthaunts hurt me. But I will say I like the fist grabbing the heart from the Daughters of Khane.
@jimmyslimd1ck448 Жыл бұрын
Take a drink ever time he talks about Bases.. You'll hit the floor.
@shalakabooyaka1480 Жыл бұрын
The Hammer-Nado is dope lol
@mattnally46 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I prefer the bases. Makes it seem more United and worthwhile
@primusjuliuscarnifex8262 Жыл бұрын
Really, all of these can benefit from scenic bases. However, the video to me feels like Jay is complaining about terrain on bases and basing material being the mini on the base.
@westocity4216 Жыл бұрын
Wow I'm actually kinda mind blown that there is a video where I wholly disagree with you. While I understand the thoughts around the bases, they definitely unify the army. Sure they may not match the ground you're walking on, but when my Slaves to Darkness drop a spell that has a base matching theirs, it really sells the spell as spilling in with the army. I definitely agree some of the sculpts feel a little lazy, but at the end of the day in my opinion they're all magic! They're not supposed to make sense or look 'realistic'. It really sells the fantasy idea to me! :D
@gregsmw Жыл бұрын
i dont get your hatred for the bases on them a LOT of them do look really bad, you actually missed the worst looking ones which are in the "all factions" combined box, but idk why you hate the bases so much some of them do look great though, i just wish they werent all packaged together, id much rather just get the one or 2 i want, rather then be forced to buy a full box of a mix i dont like
@FlayedFather Жыл бұрын
I can’t agree with you here, all the models look pretty dope, and most NEED bases as they move and you need to measure them, and while I agree some look lazy (looking at you scuttleswarm) I think they all are unique and cool and more than just tokens….I know for sure I will personally be picking up Lauchon the soulseeker from the forbidden spells cause boat skeleton…cool
@zackerymorris8268 Жыл бұрын
I would argue that the Nighthaunt are already pretty Scooby-Doo
@johnalbers6153 Жыл бұрын
I will say that the flying Cherub tokens that Adepta Sororitas use look fantastic and are totally on theme.
@biggestman9 Жыл бұрын
Dude it’s a tornado of hammers are you out of your mind!? That rocks!
@evanstrong4064 Жыл бұрын
I do not mind the endless spells being on bases, especially for the more flimsy looking ones.
@thejankycommander783 Жыл бұрын
I think the soul boat thing actually makes sense to have a base cause I think of it as the ferryman coming from the entrance of the underworld to the real world to shepherd the dead to the afterlife and that he’s just rowing around the battlefield in a ghost type way taking the souls off the battlefield
@malcire Жыл бұрын
I like my tokes to have bases. Cherubs and Distraction Grots all the way.
@magnus0017 Жыл бұрын
Huh, I like army rules, because I'll try and represent them on the army too. Like, my Necrons have the pregame move and +1 to hit army wide; I painted them in camo with different colored weapons, so it's easy to explain and remember what they have, and it makes their army feel like their ability.
@oreettroll Жыл бұрын
I've gotta disagree with you about the bases thing. Having them on bases allows for more dynamic poses (like one small piece of the magic effect touching the ground, because the base gives it stability. It also gives everything a cohesive look. When I started playing 40k, the weirdest thing to me was that things like tanks don't go on bases. Most games rely on uniform base sizes to ensure that measuring distances is more accurate.
@widowpeak6142 Жыл бұрын
6:30 There is a spell in Dark Magic called Bladewind. I never envisioned it as anything but literal flying knives.
@mahmoodalmahmood7014 Жыл бұрын
It would make sense if they used transparent bases since most of them are supposed to be floating
@jinguini8001 Жыл бұрын
In defense of the rats it’s the paint jobs fault because in lore it’s supposed to be ethereal rats being summoned and the warp lightning vortex is literally warpstone thrown out that expands into a small storm
@lilv3966 Жыл бұрын
Gonna pile onto the “worst take” trend. Making tokens into visually cool minis is a good way to do tokens. A token would take up similar diameter.
@alexcannobbio7104 ай бұрын
I really like endless spells, for some reason to me magic feels too abstract even more than shooting, so a visual representation of a spell on the table looks awesome and intimidating
@AshleyBlackwater Жыл бұрын
As goofy as the hammer tornado looks, I think I'd piss myself irl if I saw one of those things advancing towards me, to goofy
@cowmansmincraft Жыл бұрын
There is literally one box that is just regular endless spells that everyone can take so thats your last point covered
@IRCannonFodder Жыл бұрын
The argument about the bases not matching is moot. If you make your Lumineth all fancy with cherry blossoms and pastels and the map you play is a volcano they will look awkward anyways. They don't match the map you're playing in, so it is nitpicking. Having your spells then reflect your bases at least separates the environment and the opponent players. Sure some of the ones being mirrors of each other or even duplicates when there is only like 4 spells is a bit of a goofy bit. Sucks to have dupes when you have a small selection.
@ashg9023 Жыл бұрын
To me, most living spells are designed to appeal to potential younger players, who grew up on the likes of LoL and other games, where spell type actions/effects are present on the map.
@TonkarzOfSolSystem Жыл бұрын
I think the Daughters of Khaine blood is meant to be aged coagulated blood. It wouldn't splash the way fresh blood and water does.
@somerandomjedi Жыл бұрын
the whole thing with bases not fitting the terrain of the game is why i've swapped to using clear acrylic bases wherever possible
@maxwaltham5853 Жыл бұрын
So I completely disagree about the bases, I handle all of my models by them, they're good for magnetising to a case and they give models better stability. But that aside, if you dont like bases for endless spells say so and move on. I'm 8:45 into the video and he's still on about them.
@evagalemourningtide7682 Жыл бұрын
I'd say im definitely pro endless spells, most of them are pretty cool imo
@ThatguywhoplaysSlaanesh-ih3gm10 ай бұрын
Ngl missed the mark here
@roush243 Жыл бұрын
who else cringed when he called a d8 a d12?
@anthonywaggett9317 Жыл бұрын
Rule of Cool. It doesn't matter how realistic/silly/unbelievable is as long as it looks cool you can get away with it.
@wombora Жыл бұрын
From a Gamedesign View - could it be that they thought that a few of these spells could look like Terrain? And with Bases it's a bit more obvious?
@Vehl Жыл бұрын
I havent bought any myself, but I do collect Lumineth and will probably at some point take them. But the stone Lumineth spell is fairly thematic from how it was described in the book. I dont really know their importance, but they look like they would be fun to paint.