These Black Metal Riffs are BORING
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Жыл бұрынMayhem and Darkthrone wrote boring riffs? Legendary music everyone of us loves!
Let's try to make them a little better while jamming around and finding some ideas.
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@a.s.2322 Жыл бұрын
For me, the Transilvanian Hunger riff is one of the most iconic riffs, cant believe people voted for it being boring. :D
@HatingAmericans225 Жыл бұрын
its probably because it repeats too much
@blackheavyblans Жыл бұрын
But sometimes less is more.
@roruso6854 Жыл бұрын
0 chord progression boring asf not challenging at all
@a.s.2322 Жыл бұрын
@@roruso6854 What challenge are you talking about? This album is supposed to be minimalistic and monotonous. If you want chord progression, maybe jazz is the right music for you.
@vicenteraira Жыл бұрын
@@a.s.2322 Dude is wanting Polyphia or what? lol
@priceyblackwinter2338 Жыл бұрын
While I like what you’re doing, I definitely think the genius of these songs is their simplicity. They’re stark, cold, and brutal. They make their statement, convey what they have to, and don’t indulge. That’s what black metal is about
@withonforafteratbyin Жыл бұрын
AGREED!
@BlastMcRiff Жыл бұрын
A large part of what's wrong with metal in general is that everyone is afraid of looking like an unimpressive musician. It's easy to let your ego negatively influence your music
@priceyblackwinter2338 Жыл бұрын
@@BlastMcRiff facts- they forget to make songs memorable and instead hide behind soulless, technical riffs
@BlastMcRiff Жыл бұрын
@@priceyblackwinter2338 The thing with technical riffs is, they're great when used properly. It's just when everything is flashy, it ends up losing its lustre. Anyone can write a bad primitive riff, but when you can write a good one it stands out much more
@mrfunnyjoke Жыл бұрын
I agree. My favorite black metal riffs are always the simple ones. Darkthrone and burzum master it.
@TheTransylvanian Жыл бұрын
The riff of Transylvanian hunger is such a soothing melody it’s one of those songs that relaxes me
@77blacktrip Жыл бұрын
Same. I use that album to get off to sleep
@TheUnderscope 6 ай бұрын
Agree. For me it's more akin to classical music than metal
@user-wg3ef1jt4e Жыл бұрын
The older i become, the more i realize, that simplicity is actually complex. There is something in alot of us that wants to keep adding to a riff or a song, when in reality we might be trying too hard
@bigolboomerbelly4348 5 ай бұрын
Totally agree. The hardest thing in all music is writing something novel yet simple. It's a mark of greatness of a composer.
@Nibblerr 2 ай бұрын
I get what you're saying but simplicity is not complex. Lack of complexity is not complex. Being aware of different things you could do but decide not to do it yields the same end result as not knowing it to begin with.
@TheCrucialMetalistMrToxic Жыл бұрын
Transylvanian Hunger is definitely one of the coolest black metal riffs of all time… play it normal & it’s iconic - add to it & it sounds like a Dissection riff.
@gombka1144 Жыл бұрын
I think that your version of transilvanian hunger would be WAY better with second guitar playing normal version to those single notes, when they are there alone it kinda loses the wall of sound effect and dorsn't really fit the rest of the song, but your version of freezing moon was fantastic!
@lainroseheart Жыл бұрын
agreed 100%! especially the higher notes in the ladder half of the altered th riff felt like they lost a lot of the "body" of the sound. would love to hear it doubled up
@JoaoSergio7 Жыл бұрын
To me, Transilvanian Hunger always evoked the idea of being alone and wandering (or being lost) in a dark, cold, snow covered forest in a starless night. You can feel the stark cold, the freezing winds, the lingering evil, the looming darkness and the inherit melancholy of it all. This riff needs the simple melody and space to create this sort of hypnotic repetition that builds all the atmosphere. I remember Varg talking about writing with the same kind of approach for albums like Hvis Lyset Tar Oss. These songs were what one could call "proto atmospheric black metal". Trying to make a riff like Transilvanian Hunger more "busy" ends up killing it's quintessence. In the other hand, your version of Freezing Moon actually worked much better than one might expect.
@Kanelipulla420 Жыл бұрын
Killing it’s quintessence… hmm… I see what you did there
@Selynn. Жыл бұрын
Anyone who shits on the classics shouldn't even be taken seriously.
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
That sounds pretty elite, but I know what you mean
@j4yd34d5 Жыл бұрын
today Farvann discovers that Transilvanian Hunger is immaculate and immune to improvement, nice attempt though :)
@MetalMF0508 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy transilvanian hunger because of the main simplistic melodic riff, it works well. Is it simple? Yes but not all black metal needs to be riff crazy to achieve is goal, because if all black metal tried to be that way then it would get boring like death metal can often be
@aaronmartinez5029 Жыл бұрын
Except Death. Most death metal bands are too repetitive with the same lyrical themes.
@joshwolf5377 Жыл бұрын
@@aaronmartinez5029you can realistically say that about any genre lol. Thrash metal : Blood beer mosh arrrgh , Black Metal: Blegggh Satan , Death Metal: *Pig squeal* Decapitationnn, body dismemberment, eyeball dischargeee
@planecrazybuilder4234 Жыл бұрын
@@joshwolf5377that’s fax though I enjoy death metal and black metal and there’s always the same topic: black metal: Satan death metal: Satan or cannibal type shit
@joshwolf5377 Жыл бұрын
@@planecrazybuilder4234 yeah I enjoy BM, Death, and Thrash lol. But a lot of bands follow the typical stereotypes sometimes to a corny level lol
@gabrielepesacane5430 Жыл бұрын
Wait, isn’t the Freezing Moon riff written with power chords instead of single notes? That’s how I always played it
@christophedenisleet3007 Жыл бұрын
Me too lol
@Nori440 Жыл бұрын
This was amazing to watch. I personally don't think those riffs are boring per se but yeah. Amazing video as always Farvann :)
@daario4278 Жыл бұрын
per say
@lukasmisanthrop8557 Жыл бұрын
per say
@RobHellfire666 Жыл бұрын
* Per sé. 😉
@Nori440 Жыл бұрын
@@RobHellfire666 thx 👍
@altnap Жыл бұрын
Freezing moon is one of the only mayhem songs I actually like. Edit: why do all the comments I make shitting on mayhem get so much attention 😭
@metalhead7319 Жыл бұрын
I Am Thy Labyrinth is one of their greatest songs.
@stephantiede9779 Жыл бұрын
Funeral fog rules
@altnap Жыл бұрын
@@metalhead7319 I feel like my ears just got sexually assaulted. It’s good.
@heavymetalmusicmanor Жыл бұрын
Nope all mayhem songs are amazing
@sepulchralvoice833 Жыл бұрын
Come on, Funeral Fog, Pagan fears, deathcrush....
@kmerk000 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Farvann! I discovered a new approach to create my own riffs😄
@MrBX5 Жыл бұрын
What you said at the end also applies to Key to the Gate by Burzum. The beginning is horrible and Varg has said it himself that it was intentional so that it contrasts well with the second part of the song which is more melodic.
@chaoticneutral1090 11 ай бұрын
I like thst you didnt make many cuts while figuring it out on camera, very cool that your vids are just keeping it real
@evvldvrk1music-official Жыл бұрын
i take this video as a "how to improve a riff" thing, rather than trying to change these old songs :D and yes, I agree about looking at a whole song rather than nitpicking on single riffs. great songs can have simple parts, but there are many parts to a song. 😉
@JoeEnabnit Жыл бұрын
the whole reason Black Metal got started was a reaction against popular metal and "commercial death metal" which was focussed on flashy musicianship and guitar solos and so on. The austere, oppressively repetitive riffs and brutally ugly recording quality were completely intentional. Darkthrone recorded a technical death metal album in a professional studio before becoming black metal, then they proceeded to record in Fenriz' living room with an old 4 track recorder. The entire Transylvanian Hunger album is literally 4 tracks played straight through (2 guitars, one bass, one drums) with vocals thrown on top
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@louisyoung1916 Жыл бұрын
Those worked better than I would have expected. A nice peek into Farvann's songwriting technique, too. And as a bonus, Flashback Friday brings you dial-up modem noises! (1:54) 🤘🤘🙂
@AvarTyrog Жыл бұрын
Very cool video! Would be cool to see more like this!
@iwannapayback 11 ай бұрын
To say that the Freezing Moon riffs (or any riffs from the DMDS album) are boring is to admit that one has completely missed the point. The lifelessness, repetitiveness ad absurdum and somnabulic vibes is exactly what makes these riffs immortal and legendary. These traits are absolutely constitutive for them and they just could not have been written otherwise because the album wouldn´t work. The slow, doomish passage on Freezing Moon gives me chills everytime I hear and I´m sure it always will. And it was meant to be exactly like that. It´s fine to say that one dislikes them, but to say that they are boring is just sheer misunderstanding. The same for Transilvanian Hunger.
@lainroseheart Жыл бұрын
will you do another one of these sorts of videos? id love to see more videos focused specifically on black metal riff-writing
@gavriel.r Жыл бұрын
I think it's important to have "boring" riffs sometimes, they can kind of make you aprreciate the other more catchy parts of the song. Kind of what you said at the end of the video.
@ixoneeigengrau1036 Жыл бұрын
Freezing Moon went from a Mayhem song to to a Sargeist song pretty fast... And then to Funeral Mist
@MetalZoned Жыл бұрын
Transilvanian Hunger is my favorite Black Metal riff
@Doomguysdeadbunny 3 ай бұрын
Same probably
@SpaceWhaIe Жыл бұрын
This was fun to watch, and I really enjoy seeing you coming up with music on the fly like this. The Freezing Moon changes are great, even if I still like the original a ton. The Transylvanian Hunger riff was different. It sounds like it's coming from a different type of BM if that makes sense, like the riff put it into a whole different genre that you might hear from the last 10-15 years or something.
@rodeyoshi Жыл бұрын
I don't think people think the riffs are boring, it's just that everyone has heard the songs many many times. Also, I like it when black metal is a bit repetitive and simple. Nice video though!
@blowtheuniverse69 Жыл бұрын
7:34 reminds me of the change at the very end of the song where it fades out where they added that short harmony, sounds more melodic (5:37 in the song)
@krum6334 Жыл бұрын
I like the melodicness you added to Transilvanian Hunger but only on its own, the beauty of the riff is that it's simple and extremely cold and it sticks in your mind, fr I always play it when I pick up the guitar.
@agucci Жыл бұрын
Truth in simplicity. And by "Truth" I actually mean TRVTH.
@adrianmartinez-lq5he Жыл бұрын
I love funeral fog especialy that part Yes you know what it is. Transilvanian hunger riff is mesmerising hipnotic there is not other one alike it shouldnt be another one alike. In case of black metal is actually hard to separete sections since is always made by instruments working as shapes over each other, yes you can be technical in BM and take alone one riffs /drum pattern or bass patern but this genere is always composing as whole unit whit every instrument adding to a one structure and not like other metal generes where every instrument can make its thing alone
@CJ-hq6zz Жыл бұрын
Our noble music is not really appreciated here in Uzbekistan, however,there is a huge black metal community in here as well,which really appreciates your content. Keep on rockin pal. Much love from a random black metal musician from Uzbekistan \../ 🇺🇿🇩🇪 \../
@mrfunnyjoke Жыл бұрын
Awesome video idea I love this.
@Poemwriter_Angelo Жыл бұрын
i once got an emotional piano cover recommended to me from Transylvanian hunger. and when i was listening to that, i only realised how much i truly like the rif of transilvanian hunger.
@timothymckane6362 Жыл бұрын
It's so weird that those legendary 2nd Wave of Black Metal songs are considered so-called "boring" to some people on the internet. Standard Black Metal music has to have the simple riffs and melodies while portraying the sound very evil and cold. If it sounds way too flashy, it'll ruin the trve kvlt element.
@vincentvanghool6723 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the riff you came up with for Transylvanian Hunger you took it and gave ot to Satyricon and Emperor and told them to make a similar song together.
@ThatGreekMF Жыл бұрын
How did you get this guitar tone¿?
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
That's my secret
@music4me200 Жыл бұрын
I find that sometimes the simplistic riffs allows my mind to wander through thoughts and images that more complex riffing seems to stifle. By the way, 1st time commenting here from Tennessee.
@Irion666 Жыл бұрын
Farvann, what kind of mediator do you use? im just curious
@marcys5909 Жыл бұрын
yes these riffs can be boring when you hear to it for a hundred times haha
@denudenovsky Жыл бұрын
Kirk Hammet called, asked if the notes in between are fucking with you as well.😅You could have done a dyad in the Transilvanian Hunger, it would be a bit more consistent. Nice vid as always!
@louisyoung1916 Жыл бұрын
🤘😀
@user-th3my7yp2k Жыл бұрын
Second one is absolutely amazing, worth turning into a song, call it Transylvanian Satiety
@marhofficial Жыл бұрын
Different time signatures, cleaner sound, then you have your ordo ad chao progressive type riffs. The thing you said at the end reminds me of Victor Wooten ; there is no wrong notes or wrong timing or riffs, just a matter of context.
@abyss5229 Жыл бұрын
8:14 What about the opening riff of Key to the gate? The first 10 seconds are just hard to listen,but what a great song
@RAM-wv1vr 10 ай бұрын
I love both riffs. They are classics of Black Metal.
@azardes2960 Жыл бұрын
At the point "I think I'm having a good day because I'm not drunk yet..." after the "äääähm" i hoped so much there comes a cut and you open a beer 😂
@Lotastic_Films Жыл бұрын
These riffs sounds monstrous 🤘🎸🔥
@michaelgiesler1896 Жыл бұрын
"I still have one finger left. Which tone can I reach?"
@winnittotv7197 Жыл бұрын
люблю твои видео ) продолжай в том же духе )))!!!!
@emilbreidling2420 Жыл бұрын
Yessss, ich bin nicht der einzige, der sich über das wetter und die temperatur beschwert. Ich hab mich an einem black metal song versucht, also gitarre steht schonmal, aber ich brauche hilfe da einen passenden drum beat zu machen, beim gesang bin ich gerade an einem text, könntest du mir vlt. Mit den drums helfen? Feier deine musik und deinen kanal
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
Komm in die WhatsApp-Gru... äh, ich meine Discord Server. Da gibt's viele nette Leute, die gerne helfen: discord.com/invite/jzzKAm4Gd2
@emilbreidling2420 Жыл бұрын
@@Farvann ich muss sagen, ich hab deutlich negativere ressonanz erwartet, aber dass selbst octoman sagt, dass es gut ist o.0
@Kanelipulla420 Жыл бұрын
Very unique video idea Farvann, I really enjoyed this.
@dwimorbergofficial4341 Жыл бұрын
idk. i love playing transilvanian hunger on my acoustic when its raining and i have no power in my home. also Keliohesten is good example of "boring riff" that can make you go blank
@sepeko86 Жыл бұрын
Transilvanian Hunger is perfect as it is... no need for a change
@Maedroth Жыл бұрын
Your new Freezing Moon riff was pretty good but the Transylvanian Hunger one caused me pain to listen to.
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
I take that as an honour 😄
@dawidjanecz7315 Жыл бұрын
"Oh, that was a mistake but it sounded good" Composing a black metal song in a nutshell
@aaronsearle5809 11 ай бұрын
As much as i love to hear and play some spicy riffs but also i believe in the rule of K.I.S.S, Keep It Simple Son. Sometimes less IS more in the beautiful world of music, not to overplay, overdo riffs that dont need it, but i see what Farvann is getting to anyway, but thats what the original riffs it makes it so iconic and era defining in the genre of Black Metal itself at that time.
@phi816 Ай бұрын
Damn... how'd you get that guitar tone?
@usr_alex_sin6620 Жыл бұрын
Вообще я думаю насчет Freezing moon-скучность риффа вероятнее всего связана с либо пионерией, типа первопроходцы второй волны блэк-метала. Ну либо лень. А у Transilvanian Hunger все-таки что-то есть свое, какой-то шарм. А видос годный (In general, I think about Freezing moon - the dullness of the riff is most likely due to either the pioneers, such as the pioneers of the second wave of black metal. Well either laziness. But Transilvanian Hunger still has something of its own, some kind of charm. And the vid is good)
@dee-taylor Жыл бұрын
You made Transylvanian Hunger sound like Burzum
@snaggletooth5844 Жыл бұрын
everything aside, how long did it take to be so good at guitar cause man i think its gonna take a while to become like that
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
I think if you practice enough, you can achieve this level in one or two years. I'm not very good actually.
@amin393 Жыл бұрын
I guess it's the first video in which Farvann drinks water instead of beer
@siebensunden Жыл бұрын
What's next, Ildjarn songs recreation?
@cpfantastic5576 Жыл бұрын
How Transilvanian Hunger riff was boring? What's the matter with you people?
@jairomartinez-ortiz2553 Жыл бұрын
For some reason when I heard the Transylvanian Hunger album for the first time, I thought Transylvanian Hunger was boring and while listening through the album, I was blown away by I en hall med flesk og mjød, even though the main riff is one note for a long time.
@CizerKedi Жыл бұрын
Perfect video idea.
@Tysandifer 7 ай бұрын
I've always thought the freezing moon riff was power chords lol, so thats how I've played it for years
@Farvann 7 ай бұрын
I mean maybe it's played differently and I am wrong 😄
@antontipura2686 Жыл бұрын
Riffs are not boring, these are just the only songs someone who heard about black metal knows
@realcarlspartacus 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I love the transilvanian Hunger riff as it is... but ok for improvement as an exercise.
@michaelgiesler1896 Жыл бұрын
You could something similar the Doom Metal style: removing(!) notes from existing riffs to improve it...
@user-vl7iw3in8n Жыл бұрын
I liked the result of "Transylvanian Hunger" riff transformation more than "Freezing Moon"'s one but it's just a matter of taste.
@willf3556 8 ай бұрын
I was always confused why freezing moon was always so much simpler than the rest of DMDS, but I saw a rehearsal tape from shortly after they released deathcrush where they played that, the eps songs, pure fucking Armageddon songs, and some primitive versions of the riffs that would become part of the rest of dmds. I suddenly realized that Freezing Moon was probably the first song they wrote after deathcrush, and so is simple like deathcrush with the black metal elements that would be refined in future songs.
@blackMetalPiano Жыл бұрын
Havukruunu's riff are example of NOT boring riffs
@ilikevideos4868 Жыл бұрын
Mgla and Havukruunu are the best modern black metal bands
@coloradowhite787b Жыл бұрын
Have you ever listened to any Progressive Black Metal stuff? Some of my favorite stuff is in that genre. A mix of Progressive and black metal is a perfect blend of entertainment because of tempo switching (fast to slow and slow to fast), time signature change, and odd time signatures to even go with the switching. Goodbye Boring 4/4 hello 7/8, 5/8, 9/8, 13/8, etc... I imagine some other Black metal bands would also use those unique time signatures too at times. (Mirrorthrone and Enslaved are the Progressive Black Metal bands I started with... Borknagar counts? ok...)
@lonix9734 Жыл бұрын
I feel like freezing moon main riff is actually the drumming, guitar serving as a backing track
@frvn6756 Жыл бұрын
[Julius] Evola!
@commentarywiseisbias 11 ай бұрын
Mayhem's My Death has probably their most ominous sounding riff, Freezing Moon clearly got them famous and started but My Death is their best in my opinion, including Rape Humanity with Pride.
@vindictus_1230 2 ай бұрын
Still like freezing moon original better but that was intuitive so I dig it
@The6Eternal6Dark6Lord Жыл бұрын
There's some crazy people out there lol
@hs6600 Жыл бұрын
Good. Greets from Ukraine!
@malkaviangrin9440 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I never heard anyone say these riffs were boring. I mean, we're talking first wave black metal here. These riffs helped invent the genre! What you did with Freezing Moon was okay, but I hate how you changed the Darkthrone riff. It seriously sounds like something I wrote when I was teaching myself guitar XD Just abysmal, sorry.
@thetruemusichead 10 ай бұрын
I love the Transylvanian Hunger riff so much. But when you isolate it, sometime it can sound almost emo-y to me.
@Gett.Rightt900 5 ай бұрын
It fucking sucks bad quality very simple 13 year olds just force themselves to like because it's "cold and dark"(shitty and repetitive)
@ilikevideos4868 Жыл бұрын
Wtf Transilvanian Hunger is a PERFECT riff
@ohiraeth6625 Жыл бұрын
Transylvanian hungers riff is so good wtf
@EmmanuelHernandez-ue9dp 9 ай бұрын
That fcking noise in 2500hz is killing me, is awful 💀💀💀
@Farvann 9 ай бұрын
Killing people just with sound 😎
@dylanj7381 Жыл бұрын
Transylvanian hunger is the greatest black metal riff ever concocted
@NevetsTSmith Жыл бұрын
Liked the mayhem one, that's probably the one weak section in a song that I otherwise really like. TH is so good as is though.
@li269e 11 ай бұрын
Transilvanian Hunger и так хороша сама по себе, но и после подучилось хорошо
@lisova_varta Жыл бұрын
IMHO that melodic part in the end of modified transilvanian hunger kinda ruined a dark and mysterious atmosphere of the song. It's way too happy for this track. Maybe you should have continued playing in the same style as in the beginning of the riff?
@ZauTa Жыл бұрын
A real boring DT riff is I En Hall Med Flesk Og Mjod verse riff. It has like 6.5 to 7 measures of trem picking one power chord
@metaldeth166 Жыл бұрын
I'm not really into Black Metal that much but the Transylvanian Hunger riff is perfect the way it is and definitely not boring, but I may be biased since that's my favorite style of tremolo riff.
@karimpardayev Жыл бұрын
Just apply Shatraug's or Armagedda's diads for better sound
@javierwhite8295 Жыл бұрын
I agree for the Mayhem riff, but Transylvanian hunger? are you kidding me? it carries epic emotions and darkness ! People are insane
@wolfmauler Жыл бұрын
A re-upload that deleted the comments?
@Farvann Жыл бұрын
I changed some tiny things in the editing - the look to be precise - so I had to re-upload it
@wolfmauler Жыл бұрын
@@Farvann Nice vid though! It's a fun practice exercise to build your own writing skills, if nothing else 🤘😉
@nikolajankovic921 8 ай бұрын
Problem is tuning and tone, stop playing bm only in e standard guys. U can add nirvana tremolo picking parts in this transilvanian bro ez and u will stay true in this tune tooez 😂
@faszerowanykot7530 3 ай бұрын
wait wait wait
@Farvann 3 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@BLDWR96 Жыл бұрын
When most loved becomes most hated
@joshua.merrill Жыл бұрын
Transylvanian Hunger is one of the best riffs ever, to me. It just has that feel I like.
@WMfin Жыл бұрын
Imagine how boring AC/DC would be with more chords
@RandyGarciaGuitar Жыл бұрын
I think the problem with freezing moon is the intro riff drags on for too long. The riff is amazing, but play anything for too long and it gets boring. Last I remember that riff is a minute long. Shouldn't have been played more than 4 times, which I think would be like 25 seconds?
@marcrennison5128 Жыл бұрын
Transilvanian hungers first riff has some feel to it. Don't know why people don't like it🤔.
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