this is a very funny comment, soph s

@@l.u.n.e thank you.

@@sophs6194 anytime

Jeep 👁👄👁

It says jeep country... meaning the main focus is the country. Jeep being the adjective.

Same

That would actually be fuckin great.

They have in the second season of Witcher

As a huge Tolkien buff, same. It sucks that so many conservative loosers are whining about diversity that good faith criticism like this just gets lost. I´m happy about the diversity and actually hope they handle it sensitively but I´m also not looking forward to the show at all because I worry they´ll heavily misrepresent these characters and stories that I love (esp since it seems like they´ll be tackling the Akallabeth)

@@eliasapollo4131 you edited your comment and still don’t know how to spell loser. kinda makes you a loser

Stan lee what a king❤️

I do not understand people that just short circuit and jump in the douche canoe over this. I'm a big fan of House of the Dragon and people lost their upper brain function over the show casting House Valaryan as black. Which isn't even counter to the book. Only the hair color is mentioned. If you haven't seen them yet just Google Corlys Valaryan HotD. He looks rad af.

If only Morfydd Clark was a good actress

I'm impressed that Stan Lee said that. I'm happy to hear it. That is literally my philosophy on all acting roles. There may be some nuance to that as a general rule, to be fair, but superficial aspects of a person's appearance mean so little to me in media. It's an art form, and, as such, the goal is to bring forth a CHARACTER, which has much more to do with the character's internal qualities.

​@@thesingerintheshower to br fair Stan Lee was always pretty cool. The X-Men were created to show that we shouldn't fear and hate people just because they're different

FUN FACT: The actually racist or sexist are a mini-tiny-tiny-mini Minority in the Tolkien-Fans. Fun-Fact: You have been deluded into believing in a Strawman, among other Things. Those that genuinly dislike Repsensetation itself are a TINY MINORITY under those who are s-ck of 'TWISTED Representaiton' AKA Wokeness. The constant genderswappinga and racebending is absolutely s-ck, even if we ignore how dangerous it is to water-down all the terms like R-cist and S-xist IN A WORLD where those THINGS still exist, duh! And thats not even mentioning how people jsut do not feel represented by Wokeness, HENCE why we see it objectively fail. We can look at the Numbers and Data and all that and see: Oh yeah, people dont want Diversity being TWISTED and/or THRUST INTO THEIR FACE. Wokeness isnt called by all Popculture Experts harmful af for no reason. I cant even summarize all this cause theres so much. But lets have one thing for Protocoll: Wokeness isnt criticized by -ists and -bics only, but in fact by all Experts and some Trillion more Dudes. Think about that and free yourself from Strawmn-Ideas and whatnotelse.

@@loturzelrestaurant what

@@Banana_D I was speaking in general.

Kinda strange since women perform extremely well in ultra marathons

@@Junepocalypse Against other women. Hardly a feat , do they fight orcs on the way ? . The hobbits might be small but they were still men but at least they weren’t heavy when they had to be carried by the real men . Tolkien knew the story and adventures would be ruined if Aragorn and Gandalf were having to carry women half the time .

It's a miracle they all survived and (mostly) in one piece.

They can move quickly, nimbly, and can easily hide from their enemies. So yeah, they're natural travelers.

@@hektorlitch4993 and women as a monolith lack those qualities?

*Sacajawea has entered the chat*

@@notreal9214 Yes.

Yea my only issue with any of this is the Dwarf Queen not having a beard. Whiskers at the very least.

@@Jane-oz7pp Have you seen the Hobbit concept art for dwarf females? THAT is what I would have loved to see!

@@roukerasati9611 I have not, but I imagine it is glorious

y'know what? Now I wonder if maybe Gimli or Legolas is a woman, and they were straight after all

I really want the black dwarf woman to have a beard and very sad she doesn't.

Uhm... so you literally dont know what forced diversity means, assuming that comment wasnt a Joke???

@@loturzelrestaurant This was a joke

@@loturzelrestaurant What does "forced diversity" mean?

@@Diinytro Diversity-Hires, for example?

@@slevinchannel7589 Why?

To be fair, it looks like she has wispy mutton chops though. Just because you dont have a big, bushy beard doesnt mean you dont have fashionable facial hair. And if she is a noble, you're darn right she is styling her hair to look fancier.

@@historypaul1657 True but not having a huge bushy beard is seen as enormously shameful for dwarves, probably not something a noble would do

@@takeshimoral8738 Soongebod for bieken boto grundsete💯💯‼️‼️‼️

@@historypaul1657 ah, i didn't even see the beard at first, had to zoom in :D

Yes and make it white too. Dwarves get dirty underground, not ethnic.

Well, people using the term 'nazi' to describe something that is completely unrelated to Nazis should make it pretty obviously how intelligent they are. It might have been 'edgy' to use that term a decade ago but someday children need to stop being ignorant and start being adults.

No they would not because no one had a problem then and it works with in the scene. Black elves and black dwarfs with no beards do not go read the silmarillion unfinished tales hobbit and lord of the rigns books.

Literally the most badass scene in the book: “Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!” A cold voice answered: ‘Come not between the Nazgûl and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shriveled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.” A sword rang as it was drawn. “Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may.” “Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!” Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. “But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn I am, Éomund’s daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.”

@@juliab9596 Sad people who do not understand Tolkien

@@the5thdoctor I've read all of them but Silmarillion. Also what, don't they have razors in Middle Earth?

Their only 2 races white and political if your not white then everything you do is political to them

@@zizi6538 good. If being a brown person is political to them then let’s make it political.

@@zizi6538 It’s even more specific, there’s only one kind of person and it’s a straight white man. If you’re any other type of person you’re just a political expression

@@LittleRedWhine well a white cis hetero man who is able bodied and mentally well and it sure does help if you're loaded "THEN YOU CAN FIT RIGHT IN. Otherwise you have no place in our great American society."

@@Ashcashfain I mean they think they’re mentally well, but are you when you act the way they do?

I think it is pretty toxic implying that same sex people can't have intimate relationship outside romantic and sexual relations but ok

@@thalesanastacio760 this has nothing to do with same sex people Playing naked in a field has sexual implications no matter the genders of the people participating

@@Powl_J well it doesn't have to but I think the OP was mentioning it because cishet people interpret it as such

@@Powl_J The person i'm responding is talking about same sex friendships, so it has to do with this conversation.

@@thalesanastacio760 I don't think they're saying all intimate same-sex friendships are "friendships". But that these friendships in particular feel like "friendships".

@@anti8545 can confirm: i had lab rat friends and we watched anime

@@stupidass69420 same queen. i was conceived by a table in the early 60s.

Hence, was, and not, is.

@George Costanza no

It's funny there's a biracial character in Arthurian legend, doesn't get more fantasy than that

Dude, a lot Tolkienheads think something like queer characters might offend Tolkien, but completely ignoring that Tolkien was offended that people adored Sauron and Morgoth (which were symbolism of sin and Satan) lmao

@@jean_etcetera Tolkien literally wrote Turin kissing Beleg (two men) on the mouth as he lay dying and these people think he´d be a hateful homophobe lmaoo

I feel the same! It’s been so nice and there’s plenty of fellow fans I know who find comfort and enjoyment out of LOTR. I grew up reading the books and loving the whole concept and it’s so insane seeing pissed of “fans” claiming they know what Tolkien would’ve wanted, it’s clear they’re just blindly reaching for reasons to be mad.

Hello fellow transguy!

you can actually walk through mordor if you go to NZ! There's a national park around the mountain they used for Mt. Doom (tongariro national park i think) and it has a half-week circuit as well as a day hike.

Yes, and it was a perfectly substantiated moment for Eowyn’s journey. It was a great and highly appreciated scene because it MADE SENSE.

@@hounddog1 Eowyn and Pippin's journey's respectively. Don't forget, it was actually a team effort between the two. Pippin destroyed the Witch King's wards with his Elvish dagger, then Eowyn finished him off. Although, I hate how misogynists will sit there and tell you it was all Pippin, as though the little fella didn't literally get absolutely fucked up by the backlash of the magic being released and would have failed if not for Eowyn's presence.

@@Jane-oz7pp I've seen a lot of those lotr fans trying to downplay Eowyn's role and even say that she didn't play an important part in killing the Witch King and it was all just Merry. They really don't understand Tolkien and his work. Firstly, in one of his letters he confessed his disappointment after seeing "Hamlet" regarding Ophelia and her role in the story. He complained about the fact she had no agency and had no influence on her own fate, that all she could do was to die. He wanted to write women in stories to be much more than how they're portrayed in those classic "traditional" stories. The character of Eowyn was n effect of those conclusions. Apart from her, Galadriel is one of the most powerful characters in Middle-Earth, Luthien was known for her bravery and readiness to risk everything, even her life for Beren and with him faced Morgoth himself (Sauron's boss basically), retrieving the Silmaril, Haleth was one of the first leaders of Men, Rohan (before the events of lotr) had shieldmaidens bearing arms in fights. Secondly, remembering that Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-Saxon and English language, it's pretty apparent that he wrote this moment purposefully to be an equal cooperation of those two characters. The prophecy said that no man can kill the Witch King. Eowyn was no man because she was a woman and Merry was no man because he was a hobbit. It shows that the prophecy contained two meanings of the word man at once - man as in gender and man as in human (the way it's used in english language, that's why I think this can be lost in translation to other languages). Thus it was meant for them to do it together and it can be speculated that one would not accomplish it without the other.

The 3 movies with no 2 females interacting together is suddenly the most Feminist movie in history. The amount of cope

@@Jane-oz7pp ...it was Merry that stayed with the Rohan army. Pippin was with Gandalf in Gondor.

same !

Omg me too

What does that mean?

@@derboe_thebeast6869 it's like pokemon, like pocket monsters, pocket trans...... Idk where I'm going with this-

things begin to be very interesting when you become out of pocket trans

couldn’t tell u

You see, trans is a term in Latin for "across." So obviously pocket trans refers to the phenomenon in which your cross necklace breaks at the chain and you have to put the cross part in your pocket.

its when ur trans friend is less than 5' (theyre pocket sized :) )

short trans ppl

@@sawyerblossom7244 i thought it was gonna be the next pokemon game smh 💔

Shit like that is why we need to bring back bullying, nerds are forgetting their place in life.

@@NoMoreSuperHero omg 🤣

@@NoMoreSuperHero Nah cause all they did was just internalize it and became physically weak bullies. They didn't learn empathy, critical thinking or self awareness that they're acting like their grandparents who got mad at having to sit next to my Black grandparents and think nerdy sht is either dumb or satanic. Not saying they don't need slapping, just that it can't stop there.

@@ThexDynastxQueen Nah dude, they were rightfully got shit on by the world for being shit people. We eased up on them and now look, waves of them harass people on the regular.

@@NoMoreSuperHero that’s why they’ve gotten unruly in the first place. Bullied them into incels we need a new tactic :p

it has roots from European culture and adding blacks just adds to the inaccuracies. How would you feel when a white person was Inter fixed with ur culture….

@@user-qv6fg1zr6y oop- “blacks?” Okay then… secondly my culture is African American culture which most people call pop culture so yes I know how it feels with people putting themselves in places they don’t belong. White people make a mockery of my culture everyday cause it’s just a joke and it’s funny right?…

@@user-qv6fg1zr6y you think Black people didn't exist in Europe??

@Tykaysia Brown - so it’s offensive to say “black” meanwhile you said “white”. Now that I called u out ur true colors are showing. Anytime now your going to call me a snowroach

@Tykaysia Brown - Also, African-American culture isn’t slang for Pop-culture”. Pop culture is popular culture. 1950s for example, Marylin Monroe was the face for pop culture and still is in some cultures. You think she’s from Africa?

They're so mad about inclusion... And even *if* their argument is valid that people are acting 'woke' just to appeal to the masses... So fucking what? All that tells us is that people are kinda tired of seeing nothing but cishet white dudes in media. I guess that hurts their little feelings 🥲😂

I think people I've seen are mad because elves notoriously have pale pale skin. They're not human, humans have different races and those aren't the same. Idc about it but that's why people are mad. I think most people don't care if the humans are diverse and would welcome that. But I am pissed that the dwarf lady doesn't have a beard. Give her a beard! Let women and female identifying people have beards!

Nerds and bigotry go hand in hand, NEVER expect them to be good people.

I know... and they get so mad over it too. White supremacists love to emphasize their belief that not everyone is equal. Perhaps that is true, only not in the way they'd like it to be: Some folks get outraged over police brutality while others get mad over woke M&Ms. *Not everyone is equal.*

@@lyavain2764 See there’s also a whole conversation you could go into there with racism in fantasy (like dark elves, orcs, etc.)

Ikr? It’s the same story from Birds of Prey. The film had its own plot issues but no one was discussing this because social media was filled with “wahmen bad wahmen go kitchen” and people debating that. To this day when I see someone criticizing that movie I get scared cause I don’t know if they have legit criticism or if they’re misogynists negging Margot Robbie

Yep! Just like that newer Ghost Busters movie and Battlefield 5 when it came out. Plenty of shit to criticize there, but nah, dip shit nerds wanna act like feminism and inclusivity is the issue.

I have faith in Amazon to do a decent job with it. For the most part I've seen fans of Wheel of Time make a few minor complaints but otherwise they've agreed that the changes made are mostly positive. And most of the complaints I've actually seen where they thought it ruined the show was basic shit that you expect of man babies. "This male character should be more stoic, this female character should be less stoic, why so many brown people" etc etc. So other than maybe the issue around Amazon weirdly never wanting more than 8 episodes a season maybe causing some squishing in timelines and events, I'm more than happy to assume it will at least be better than the The Hobbit movies.

@@flowerface9011 in this case inclusivity is the issue,this is akin to having white wakandans and not expecting any uproar from black Twitter.

@@NosebleeddeGroselha Anti-Sjw became the New Sjw. Crying and Screaming because theres Strong Women,Diversity, Lgbtq characters on their medium. If it Doesnt fit their narrative(White Straight MEN actors only). They automatically call it WOKE FORCED DIVERSITY

Who doesn't have a thing for Legolas tho?

@@julia.907trueeeee

Legolas gave up his ride to the Grey Havens to live with Gimli and eventually they built their own boat to travel into the west together. But they were absolutely NOT a couple because gay or bi people did not exist in Middle Earth😼…right.

@@sarahdietz5163 ty for saying that i forgor about it 💕 made my mood better lmao

Never toss a dwarf!

well sadly, alot of youtube reactionaries is that..it pretty much buries all the legit criticims...its pretty telling when you see titles that say "Lord of the Woke"....the whole critique with consistent lore becomes mute..

@@UNSTABLE111 the videos I’ve seen on KZfaq are people critiquing both. And when it seems like a show is focusing so much on representation (from the interviews and articles I have read and seen where the creators seem to REALLY emphasize it) there’s a concern that making a cool story will fall to the wayside to checking off boxes. I don’t think people have a problem with seeing black people on the screen, but to me it gives the vibes of a corporate cash grab. Like when a big company does a “black history month” campaign knowing damn well the CEO’s don’t give a damn about black history month

How about just amazon making up literally everything and calling fans racist while they cast token roles instead of letting PoC actors play meaningful roles in, say, the harad people? I hope your brain is good enough to humbly see my point.. 😅

@@jameshill8493 thank you, it's not about just the casting but whether it be a good story, I am mostly scared that it'll go down the Star wars route, great concept and archetype but too busy focusing on the surface level things ,so many people are boiling down to woke sjw vs red pill neck beard and already hating the show despite not seeing anything ,just manufacturing outrage, what videos did you watch by the way

Adaptions can work. Also i agree with the rest.

THIs

How can a dwarf be not white if they spend most of their lives in mines and dungeons? Especially, a female dwarf who hardly ever sees the light of day in her entire life?

@@hounddog1 POC can be pale as well as tan lol, im poc and rarely go outside and i still have melanin

@@hounddog1 They're literally made of stone and clay, don't pretend that their skin is going to behave like actual biological skin.

@@hounddog1 lmao if someone with black or tan skin doesn’t get exposure to sun, they don’t magically become white 💀

They were created before the sun and moon, and lived under starlight, as well as the light of two trees.

Those "nerds" try to apply the dependency and evolutionary process of skin pigmentation present in our world into completely different imaginary fantasy world in which those processes never existed only to mask their bigotry.

@@roukerasati9611 Right but the atani also awoke around when the sun and moon were created, and their skin colour canonically varies a lot. They were discovered by Finrod ca 300 years after that, and I doubt thats enough time for them to have developed to be vastly different races. It therefore is pretty much canon that varying skin colour within a population is something that happens in Tolkiens world, even without being in hot regions for thousands of generations.

@Erratum "This is how Tolkien intended his lore" - We have true Tolkien understander here. Are you Tolkien or his son? Have you talked with him about dwarven skin colors in person or through letters? What tells you it was crucial for Tolkien that Middle-earth remained an ethnostate? From my readings of his works I would say that skin colors were some of the least of his concerns regarding his intentions for the reader to focus on. The point of LotR was about being good people, doing what's right, opposing tyranny, cultivating friendships and kindness above all when the world around you is filled with violence and cruelty. I didn't find anything that would suggest that Tolkien's intention for the story's message was "Middle-earth needs to be racially pure, no blacks allowed". "Middle earth is middle age europe. Haradrims are africans" - Firstly, you do realize there were black and brown people in medieval Europe? Or are you purposefully ignorant? Secondly, Middle earth is not middle age Europe. There is no roman and gothic architectual style, there is no catholic church and so on. Geographically Middle-earth is *based* on medieval Europe ("is based" is different than just "is"). Culture-wise Middle-earth is *inspired* by some literary traditions of middle age Europe. That's different. Middle-earth is based on some celtic, nordic and medieval legends. They aren't historical records. They mostly contain fantastical elements and most of all are *fictional* for the most part. Apparently you lack proper reading comprehension to understand my comment or purposefully omit its point. The creation of Arda and its inhabitants is completely different than the formation of our Earth and its life. Life on earth is forming through the process of evolution. Light comes from the Sun along with radiation. First homo sapiens was black. African people are black due to evolutionary process of adapting to constant exposure to Sun's cancer inducing radiation. That's what more melanin in their skin is for. In evolutionary process white people are basically a mutation. Arda was created by Eru and his choir of Valar. Arda is a flat plane. The life on Arda, which includes all humanoid races, was created not evolved. The light on Arda doesn't come from a radiating star. Sun in Tolkien's world is a vessel that holds the light of the last fruit of Laurelin. It isn't govern by the same laws of physics. Therefore skin colors are not an effect of evolution and adaptation to the environment. That's why those "nerds" are wrong when they say that dwarves cannot be black because they live underground away from the sun. That would be the case in our world in which evolution exist and the Sun is a real star that radiates. Arda is not a world like that, therefore this argument falls flat and shows that they either don't really understand Tolkien's world and its lore or purposefully omit it for the sake of the argument because they see Middle-earth as their aryan haven and don't want to see black people there. That's what my comment was about. Dwarves were created by Aule. He was a craftsman and a smith. He worked with metals and rocks. It isn't unlikely that when creating the dwarves he used rocks, metals and clays in his creation (since he wasn't as powerful as Iluvatar that could create out of his will and music only) and those materials have different colors.

Elves are not under the sun all the time you dumb fuck. They literally live under trees. Braindead argument

But! I do find it soooo weird trying to think of a character that I love as something else. Like, I had a very specific idea of Capt Carrot, and then someone made the tv show of the watch, and my brain just broke. So I do kind of understand it feeling weird. BUT that means you need to think long and hard WHY it feels weird, and when it's a rasism issue or something like that, start working on your attitudes. I didn't once realise the main character of a book was poc until like the last third of reading, and it was SO HARD to turn my brain and I have to admit, it's totally because I haven't resd that many books starring poc! That actually still makes me feel weird, but working on it... 😬

@@ThatWeirdFinn You aren't responsible for your first thought - just how you react to it! I never imagined Rue in the Hunger Games as black and then I realized that there was NO reason for me to assume she was white. White supremacy is sneaky!!!!

Hahahaha there is no way this black elf is from Valinor. This person in the video doesn't know crap about Tolkien or the world it is based of. Amazon is really trying to defend that this is faithful to Tolkien.

@@ThatWeirdFinn yeay a lot of people have that problem. its great that you relized it tho and that your working on it

@@the5thdoctor Tolkein is dead. His thoughts don't matter.

Only after he takes the ring. He's quite happy in the book until then.

@@moonlitskylight5740 the ring is a metaphor for enlightenment and education, which leads only to despair and loss of hope.

Getting stabbed would make me depressed too

I do not remember writing this

@@notreal9214 me neither that’s ok 👌🏻

Yup. The Maiar just Are... They just choose to take the forms of elderly men because that was the more 'friendly' form to take. Like Biblical Angel's with flames, a thousand eyes and a dozen wings versus Cute nekkid babies with wings in art.

@@historypaul1657 Well, more specifically the Istari choose the forms of old men in order to be considered wise and trustworthy as advisers. The other Ainur tend to be a bit more... regal and gorgeous. Tulkas for example is a hulking, jovial man with golden hair and piercing blue eyes (yes, he's just Thor) whose sheer physical strength is enough to overpower the most powerful of all the Valar in combat. Also not just the Maiar, the Valar as well, who are basically the elemental spirit gods of Arda, and who are in charge of the Maiar. -Actually, just a quick addition for anybody who may be interested and hasn't read the extended works, I'm fairly certain that Tulkas *started* as a Maia, but when his physical strength proved mighty enough to defeat Melkor like a little bitch and throw him in the Halls of Mandos, he was elevated in station to be considered among the Valar. It's been a few years since I read the Silly Mellons, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went.

Yupp, it says in the Ainulindale (or Valaquenta, don´t quote me lol) that the ainur just "dress" themselves in gendered physical forms basically which they choose based on what they prefer and which they can easily shed

Actually people from eastern parts of middle are dark skinned and it’s in the books(rhun harad etc) you don’t know wtf you’re talking about🤫

@@micahbellthe3rd3 that's literally what i said lmao. i said 'there literally are poc characters and races in middle earth'. i said INDIVIDUAL characters often don't have descriptions, especially in books like the silmarillion or the histories of middle earth. at least that's what i found when i read them. but there are lots of races of people with descriptors. that's why i think it's stupid when people argue that there aren't.

@@lucaluc5177 but they are segregated 🤦

@@micahbellthe3rd3 i never said they were or weren't, and i never said it's good if they were. i never brought up segregation at all?? (also, if that's the case please point me to where i can read about it, i haven't seen it anywhere /gen). all i said is that they do exist in middle earth and to say they don't is just wrong, and that it's a work of fiction and you can interpret it how you want. you seem very intent on disagreeing with me, why?

, you seek to ruin something beautiful you could not make yourselves, for that you deserve the name of orc

For real, there really are so many new, cool, interesting, and entertaining things they could w representation in a show set in this world, it’s honesty sad that people don’t want that. Because IMO more representation aside from just being a good thing also means more new stories that we haven’t necessarily seen before in media!!

There was a HUGE missed opportunity to have the female dwarves bearded, and have the others treat them as males and at one point, an actual male dwarf would say something like "Hey! Watch who you're talking to. That's my *wife*!" No matter if you're faithful to the lore or not, that would have been awesome. Instead, we have a dwarf princess who following HUMAN beauty standards. Ugh. Just one of the reasons why I'm not going to watch the show.

THIS, YES

gdi Pratchett was an absolute god amongst men

Hell yeah Discworld 🤘🏻

me when the females (woman) exist: 😡😡😡😡😡 (i am irrationally angry at the existence of woman)

Omg no 😱😱😱 I can’t believe that the world isn’t just white people 😱😨😥😰😭🥺 I’m so sad 🥺🥺 oh no 😡😡😡

Oh come on You know that this is not the problem

It is 🤷🏽‍♀️

I haven't seen this in D&D, but i have seen in some OSR content, that people make women less strong for realism sake and shit. One of the WoTC consultants for 5e is a fucking bigot by the way...i mean, was, he doesn't work for wizards anymore.

I knew one of these guys... He was trying to work on his own tabletop RPG system because there wasn't enough misogyny & sex trafficking in other games. 😳

@@thalesanastacio760 I wonder if that's anything to do with the removal of racially assumed morality alignments and racial traits.

@@Jane-oz7pp I don't think that's the case. Dudes like Urbanski have been pretty vocal against the "SJWs" in d&d since the beginning of 5e, specially when d&d became mainstream due to play streams (like CR and others). The removal of racially assumed morality generated a bit of an outrage, but this existed for a very long time.

@@thalesanastacio760 yeah, it's tough. Theres a lot of racism and misogyny kind of baked into traditional fantasy rpgs, because it was there in the source material that inspired them. I mean your traditional old-school dungeon crawl involves going into a place populated by sapient but subhuman and inherently evil people, murdering them and taking their property, with or without any justification aside from the desire to acquire wealth. Thats... troubling, to say the least, when you stop to think about it. I dunno, I've been playing these games since I was really young and I dont think those of us who do are bad people on the whole, but theres plenty there to attract people who are super toxic.

Oh no, you're using their own logic against them, their tiny brains won't be able to handle that!

Yeah. The whole point of the story was going against those old myths and legends with strong "hypermasculine" heroes like Beowulf. The story shows that heroism doesn't have to require physical strength and mastery in combat. It was about showing that even the weakest (physically) person can be a hero and save the entire world. Bravery in those classic fantasy hero stories (Conan the Barbarian is a great example) is associated with physical strength, self-assurance, even arrogance and pride, being brutal. In LotR bravery is choosing to do what's right and necessary even when you aren't a great strong fighter, even when doing what's right requires unbelievable sacrifice and the fate isn't in your favor, even when the doom of failure is hanging above you. It's having hope and trying even in the darkest moments when all seems lost. Finally, it's frienship and support against all odds, remembering and practicing love, kindness and mercy when the world around you becomes cruel and brutal.

Noooooo. They have a "weakness" for craving power, which is one reason they are resistant to the ill effects of the Ring. The other reason is they have sterner physical "fiber" than other races. Gandalf comments that Frodo carried the fragment of the Morgul blade in his shoulder far longer than many who are considered great warriors. There are other places where it mentions how tough a constitution Hobbits have and resistance to the Ring.

@@shermanator2112 Yup. Hobbits don't have as much greed as other races. It's a power, really, when you see what the Ring can make others do. I guess, physically they are weaker, but their psyche are stronger than other races.

Lmao

Kind of like tumblr and lighter skin?

I like middle earth.

And do you understand why people are upset by it? Or do you only belive that its because people are racist? If they are racist and also love LOTR a story where a main plot point is the change of a racist elf becoming à friend to dwarf. Are you so open minded that your brain have fallen out

@@MrSinEon what the fuck are you talking about

Self report

Good lord...

My main problem is the short haired elves (make them ambiguous!), the dwarven princess have such thin, wispy sideburns you have to alter the image to see it (plus her hairdo is OFF-CENTER. Why?), and the way they did Galadriel and Elrond. I can look past skin color. I'm more concerned with personalities and if the characters' appearances fit the lore, culture, etc that was established in canon.

@@roukerasati9611 Literally! The diversity is actually nice to see, the actual problem is shit like short haired elves, calling young Elrond an "ambitious politician" and putting Galadriel in armour with a Feanorian star?? Why would she wear the star of the people who kinslayed her mums side of the family???

@@eliasapollo4131 Not to mention of the creepy uncle that tried to groom her repeatedly

@@Jane-oz7pp I don't think Fëanor was going for anything like that tbh I think it was intended as "weird inventor who's a little too obsessed with his work making weird requests" But yeah no I agree with the general sentiment I'm pretty sure it's stated somewhere in the flight of the noldor chapter that she had "little love" for him (though that also might have been fingon lmao don't quote me on this)

emphasis on the straight

Isn’t Middle Earth supposed to be like the origins of the area, not set in the Medieval times

The UK has been invaded by or invaded pretty much everyone around it. We survived by establishing trade (neatly helped by being part of the Roman Empire for a while). Contrary to what racist chucklef*cks believe, we are, and have always been, pretty diverse. In fact "Cheddar Man" - the oldest skeleton that has been discovered in Britain was, according to analysis of his DNA, discovered to have been Black (which you can imagine blew little racist brains)

@@Dr.E7HER It's based in "medieval fantasy" and several of the people complaining are like "it should just be white people because Europe".

There was one type of slavery or another almost everywhere. I’m not sure if you knew that. And Muslims were the biggest slave traders of all at that time.

yes 0.001%of population you are talking like there was some big black communities,no few traders and journeyman doesn't count

Don't forget that the Maiar, Valar and Istari are all gender fluid and literally pick their own gender any time they take a physical form.

@@BigKnecht jesus fucking christ shut up. These are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. It doesn't affect you if they're queer or not

@@BigKnecht truly a braindead response.

No you're projecting that's all there is to it.

I feel like this comment is projecting their own sexuality onto fictional characters that never really implied as such.

Wow! It’s almost like you might have a brain. Identifying the massive glaring issue with this in your first sentence!!!! Not to mention that every character and nearly all events have been manufactured since they don’t have the rights. Cringe channel, cringe video.

They could just come up with original stories and just leave LOR alone.

the problem is not racist fans, its that the series sucks, tokenised characters who cannot act or storylines that go nowhere. I hate this show, and everything it represents, showcases you should not give multinational corporations anything of value, least your money

@@fredpittman1972 then that means it's no point in remaking it because it was fine the way it was. Congratulations, you are the problem 🖕🏿

@@misterwhalrus7334 🥱🥱🥱 sorry, we're tired of male white saviors...

the word elf itself comes from the germanic word alf, meaning white. Elves in other fantasy are living beings, a race among others. The elves in the Legendarium are angels for lack of a better word, fae mixed with their hallowed being, utterly divorcing them from mortals

Thinking that "Cellar Door" is the most beautiful word combination is the craziest thing I've ever heard.

It doesn't sound like Cellar Door at all.

And they (along with the fantastical elements)do exist in the lotr mythos and naturally fit in with how the world works, just not where this show purports them to be. It's the equivalent of me claiming that lightsabers suddenly exist in the lotr universe because MUH MAGIC. This is blatant revisionism of the author's work and no amount of lying and disingenuous statements will make it less true.

That is not the point. The point is being unfaithful to the original text whose author is deceased. The Rings of Power is disrespecting a dead man, that is why people are losing their shit.

@@tsurugi5 You’ve only seen the trailer. You haven’t seen the series yet, no one has. So you can’t possibly know anything about it yet, the trailer was just random scenes here and there. You couldn’t possibly tell what is going in the series. Just take a deep breath, untwist your panties and wait till the series comes out

@@someguywithablueshirt4373 na a lot of them are just racist. Having a diverse cast in a beloved franchise that spans across races is cool.

@@someguywithablueshirt4373 also a lot of those peeps say “well he based lotr of Europe so it doesn’t make sense to have bipoc people” like my guys. Bipoc people live I. Europe and if you wanna really get into the nitty gritty of it he based his novels of the Black country in the uk. A very diverse place. It’s racist fans not being being happy with non white people having a hint of screen time. I adore the series I’ve read the books, watched the films even the old ones and learnt the languages. I do not care about bipoc being in lotr I think it’s cool and some of y’all need to get a grip. Wanna go on about how the series isn’t adhering to the novels the films didn’t either but y’all don’t complain about that

Exactly... middle earth cant have POC just cuz special snowflakes say so

@@themusicaljunkie37 uh dude, actual europe isnt full of just germans...

I mean if they make a couple people black when everyone else is white with no real reason that stuff to me feels like a cheap cash grab. If they make some characters black and be like “they came from southron” or some merchant/advisor/travelled/whatever I feel like most of the “hate” wouldn’t be there

A lot of people are fine with poc in lord of the ring through the eastern lings. It doesn't make sense for there to black dwarves and elves.

@@generights and south of the Easterlings too. And the people saying how they were depicted was racist, I’m sure their whole civilization does not dress/act like the soldiers in this army who are probably trying to look scary as shit for psychological warfare.

also oh boy ... oh boy were lotr fans fucking PISSED that they swapped that guy out with a gal to save Frodo from being stabbed. This aint new rage. Japan's isolation was a political choice, not cause it was an island. There were also still white, black, and other brown folks there too, just not as many as now. Like, obviously ancient Greece interacted directly with black folks, even if you argue that Egypt isn't black, they were trading with folks farther south, sometimes known as the Kushites, sometimes known as the Ethopians (greeks used the latter). They actually wrote about how it makes sense that they would be darker skinned, because they believed them to be at the end of the world, where there were mountains, so they figured they were further up on a mountain and thus closer to the sun. They weren't exactly wrong either! But they also go further. Folks were trading with the norse as well, and the norse were doing a ton of trading with the middle east. You can find ancient writing from both cultures in the other's lands! None of these cultures were hyper isolated like these dorks seem to think. The horse was domesticated a loooooooooooooooooong time ago.

@@meats7854 exactly, 100%! The level of historical ignorance these guys display in their attempts to justify their bigotry is almost impressive. Ancient Rome and China traded extensively with India, too. The Roman Republic and Roman Empire were spending tens of millions a year on Indian goods. Of course there was extensive trade with North and East Africa, as well.

@@kwarra-an yeah at this point my take away from these denials is "you think Europeans were too stupid to trade with their neighbors like everyone else was doing?"

@@meats7854 what the hell are you losers even going on about? If you want to create your world, do so and stop whining; people just want the lore to be accurate and no creation of new characters like in the hobbit which was criticized just as much.

Why are there no white, or Asian, or Indian people among Wakanda inhabitants?

@@hounddog1 Bc white pole have had so many movies with an all white cast. Also Shang-Chi had a mostly Asian//Asian American cast. Aaannnnnd ~ there were white peeps casted in Black Panther as well. You’re just cherry-picking.

@@hounddog1 and I also wanna add it’s not super common for most sub-Saharan tribes would have many white/Indian/Asian members. But teeeeechnically Bucky became part of the Wakanda’s and he ever got a name too. I would assume they are open with new comers but the trust has to be built just like any other person wanting to reside in Wakanda

@@chelsinatorpocketts6559 the actual answer is: because it wouldn’t make sense, considering the lore of Marvel’s Wakanda. When I watch Black Panther, I don’t wanna see white dudes there. When I watch some classic anime, I don’t wanna see neither white, nor black, nor any other than Japanese. When I watch LOTR, I want movies to stick to the Tolkien lore, which takes roots in the Northern Europe methodology and medieval type of shit. In all these examples I wanna feel a certain cultural tone that goes with the story and its heroes. Any politics, modernity or out-of-nowhere “wokeness” immediately destroys the heart of the story and makes it feel forced. That’s why fans don’t like it. And btw, there people of darker skin (like Middle East) in Tolkien’s works, they’re called Easterlings. You could even pull black people here and elaborate on the history of these folk in the context of the whole Middle-Earth, but no, they went for dwarves and elves, which doesn’t make any sense if you actually read Tolkien. It is all about the context.

Anybody who thinks there was only one skintone in the books is a fool. Tolkien described men of almost every kind at least once. Like... Haradrim anybody?

thats crazy , i wish my youtube feed was like yours..I search rings of power..first thing I see is "Lord of the Woke"..i don't think no amount of beard would change the bigotry to be honest

The majority I’ve seen is over black elves.

Would you like to see it because it would be fun. Or would you like to see it because it would be in tune with the asstablished logic of the world Tolkien created, its two different reasons for the same result

Fun-Fact: You have been deluded into believing in a Strawman, among other Things. Those that genuinly dislike Repsensetation itself are a TINY MINORITY under those who are s-ck of 'TWISTED Representaiton' AKA Wokeness. The constant genderswappinga and racebending is absolutely s-ck, even if we ignore how dangerous it is to water-down all the terms like R-cist and S-xist IN A WORLD where those THINGS still exist, duh! And thats not even mentioning how people jsut do not feel represented by Wokeness, HENCE why we see it objectively fail. We can look at the Numbers and Data and all that and see: Oh yeah, people dont want Diversity being TWISTED and/or THRUST INTO THEIR FACE. Wokeness isnt called by all Popculture Experts harmful af for no reason. I cant even summarize all this cause theres so much. But lets have one thing for Protocoll: Wokeness isnt criticized by -ists and -bics only, but in fact by all Experts and some Trillion more Dudes. Think about that and free yourself from Strawmn-Ideas and whatnotelse.

I dont understand what you say when it was only for white people before? Is black panther only for black people? Do you agre with the racist black people that said if you are white you are not allowed to like black panter and dont go Watch it on cinemas and take up space as a white person, dont go a Watch it untill black people have had there chans to see it first because its a movie just for them. Everything I just listed was said by claimed progressive people. Progresive are among the most racists people I ever hear in todays times. Everytime I here a Tolkien fan talk about why they disslike the new series its always about how it goes agains the assatblished logic of the world tolkien created and nothing about race in the real world

LMAO slay

I have no choice but to Stan. 👏

Silmarillion

Similiarillion.

Like a tan guys. Lol

There´s no hobbits in the Silmarillion, I´m afraid (except for the last chapter, which doesn´t describe their appearance). But yes, Harfoot hobbits are canonically darker skinned

It's even gayer in the books tbh

Tolkien's ideas are based on European folklore, historical figures, fairy tails, architecture and culture.

@@Pestbringer89 We aren't allowed to have culture anymore, we are just wyte now.

@@Moondust-tj4oe I totally get your point, honestly. I guess as a queer person I just kind of see myself in their characterization, but that doesn’t mean the friendship aspect of their relationship isn’t important.

I never liked the because it’s fiction argument because it ultimately validates every instance of white washing too - Prince of Persia, Gods of Egypt, Scarlet Johanson, ATLA live action. They’re all fiction works right? So why did a yt cast bother ppl? Its abt respexting the heritage imo

The Word Wokeness is indeed BIG. In fact, i would often argue its 'too big for its own good'. But that doesnt mean its meaningless. Far from it. If it were meaningless, it wouldnt be the Case that it's used by all Popculture-Detective and many more.

You can't even read without some sort of help? How can you call yourself a person...

He learned the infinite ammo hack by the time LotR came around. :P

Most dwarves are A sexual or homosexual its even to the point where many dwarves dont even belive there are any Female dwarves

That comment also made me so so angry because CLEARLY, LOTR is based on the British Isles and Northern Europe. The Hobbit was written as a bedtime story for Tolkien to entertain his children, so he uses settings that felt real to his kids.

They might mean the very heavy influences of Finnish/finno-ugrian mythology in Tolkien's work which geographically could be called (north)eastern Europe. Like there are a lot of similarities between the Silmarillion and Kalevala (finnish national epic), plus the elvish language Quenya is based on Finnish language. But even so their argument is still stupid. Tolkien also took a lot of inspiration from Norse mythology, Saxon legends like Beowulf and Celtic mythology. Oh, and did you know that in Norse mythology one of the words for dwarves is *_svartálfr_* which literally means *"black elf"* or _myrkálfr_ meaning "dark elf", "murky elf" or "dusky elf". Much of what we envision as European mythology and medieval times came about during the National Romanticism era in the 19th century. Actual medieval Europe wasn't all white, especially in Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean where different continents met and much trade took place (big trading hubs have always been cultural melting or at least meeting points). A similar point can be made about their argument concerning women. Also Tolkien was quite progressive for his time. Galadriel is literally the most powerful elf in Middle-Earth, Eowyn is a warrior princess who killed the fckin undead Witch-King of Angmar and the leader of the Nazgul. In the Silmarillion there are the likes of Varda, Melian and Luthien who are all certified badasses. Arwen might have had a more passive role in the books but she was heavily implied to be the reincarnation of Luthien. I'm not overly optimistic about this new series but NOT because there are _*gasp_ POCs in it. Those people are just trying to hide their racism & bigotry behind a false concern for the source material. To hell with them.

His own sources changed quite a lot. Later on he started drawing similarities between the numenoreans and the Egyptians. Not just culturally but even visually. Gondor was stated as having been on (if parallels can be drawn) the same latitude as the Mediterranean. Most important to note is that his own view was constantly evolving as he delved more deeply into his fantasy world, and when he considered adaptations (like the scripts that were pitched to him) he was more concerned with the core of the story and the sentiment of the locations (he hated fairy castle lothlorien and changes to Frodo and Sam’s characters) than changes in physical characterization. Honestly nothing would have pissed him off more than the pj lotr films with faramirs temptation and evil denethor. He was also fine with entire segments or parts of the story being changed as long as the core was intact. He literally recommended removing the battle of helms deep for taking too long in the narrative of one of the adaptations pitched to him.

To address the accent thing, sure it’s inaccurate to say that they would all be speaking with English accents, but a lot of Europe doesn’t even speak English, so speaking in English regardless of accent doesn’t make sense in many cases, if we’re basing this off the entirety of Europe. An American accent would make no sense whatsoever as it only began to exist after NA was colonized. Having accents of people who did not learn English as their mother tongue but learned it later in life would be the most accurate, but as the languages they would’ve spoken before learning English don’t actually exist (for the most part. Quenya and Sindarin exist, but as there are no native speakers, we don’t know what the accent of someone who learned English after growing up with this language would be like), there’s no way to have those accents. An English accent makes the most sense IMO, but I’m now curios, what would you say? Maybe I’m missing a solution.

These degenerate Marxists here will not understand. They hate white people, white culture, white literature, and white mythology. They only care about their own narcissism at the costs of everything else.

Same. Being an indigenous trans bisexual in the tolkien fandom is a fucking nightmare lmao

Bruh

Same.

Ismael Cordova Cruz is an actor. Now he's playing an elf. If you claim not to care, then don't care. I do care. I'm happy for Ismael getting the role of Arondir.

Its Not about black ppl... U dont get the Point ! Its about Angelo saxons they are withe It's like wiping out our white history with the woke shit The lgbtg wanna have all Like they want it its Not about equality its about them, White ,hetero PPL have nothing to say anymore and everything should be renewt.. thats fair for you?! You cannot bring the thinking from 2022 into it

@Hannah PoC here. Believe me, they get it. They just don't want to admit the fact that the casting has more to do with politics and studio mandates than the actual lore which every serious Tolkien fan would obviously care about (and they are right to do so). Amazon isn't even shy about it themselves. And when the fans bring it up, no matter how cordial they are, they will be branded as what the OP laid out so plainly: racist, full stop. Without contextualizing anything everyone who has concerns about the show's direction said. Fun times. I am surprised PoC would actually support token hiring because it does nothing to advance the cause of representation when you are just literally swapping characters since there's a quota that needs to be filled. We should be demanding for authentic roles for our PoC actors, not shoehorning them wherever possible which may also contribute to the erasure and dishonest reimagining of other people's heritage. It's a lose-lose situation. If anything ruins this show, it will only be one of two things; it's either bad writing, or the politics injected in it. Maybe we will even get both. That said, I honestly would love to be proven wrong about my assumptions for this show.

and also the sexism. they had a problem with women as well, now they are doing the same thing with other movies, such as snow white and ariel

Imagine crying over a black elf

@@fireandblood2919 There is literally no such thing as a black elf in LOTR. That's reasonable to get mad over. It's completely changing the entire lore

It's not needing to be represented all the time, it's wanting to be represented sometimes.

Nope because it’s not romantic. That’s simply a misconception you made as a non lotr fan

@@randalthekidd7006 I think it was VERY fruity of them. Extremely gay, even. Highly homosexual, in my professional opinion.

@@carpet-snark6446 downright homoerotic, if you don't mind my saying

Literally in Norse mythology (which was a big source of inspiration for Tolkien) one of the words for dwarves is *_svartálfr_* which literally means *"black elf"* or _myrkálfr_ meaning "dark elf", "murky elf" or "dusky elf". A race that literally LIVED in darkness/underground.

@@-nvmanyhow1436 lol google what “dark elves” means, it’s well documented. Don’t try to twist things.

@@hounddog1 Believe me I know what I'm talking about, which is Norse mythology. _Svartálfr/Svartálfar_ (plural) are used interchangably in the Prose Edda with _Dvergar_ (dwarves) as noted by scholars. I gave the literal translations of _svartálfr_ & _myrkálfr._ This is sometimes confused with _Dökkálfr/Dökkálfar_ which also translates to "dark elves" who are in Prose Edda described as "blacker than pitch" and live underground, as opposed to _Ljósálfar_ or "light elves" said to be "fairer than the Sun to look at". _Ljósálfar_ and _Dökkálfar_ resided in Álfheimr, world of the elves, while _Svartálfar/Dvergar_ lived in Nidavellir/Svartálfheimr, a dark world of dwarves. Now, all these are magical mythological races and how exactly did Vikings envision them we'll never know (though the Viking traders who reached Constaninople and the Mediterranean surely saw PoCs). So why couldn't PoCs portay these elves and dwarves? Nothing about the source material says they had eurocentric features.

@@-nvmanyhow1436 no shit but you know that doesn’t just mean black peoples right? Like this is like saying it’s fine how last Airbender white washed the whole cast .

@@-nvmanyhow1436 bud like this is just desperate boot licking for Amazon. It’s a billion dollar company don’t shill because they are too lazy to flesh out the entire black kingdom

we're just here to point and laugh because none of this is valid criticism 🤣

people mad have read tolkiens works and/or are true fans. idiot.

That´s such beautiful interpretation! I second that, I genuinely think that the writings left behind are just as much a playground for us as a young Arda was for the Ainur

@@eliasapollo4131 I can't imagine a passionate creator ever being mad that people enjoy the world they made so much that they want to explore it just like he did

I mean, I don't recall Dwarven colouring being discussed in the books, but they're made out of stone/clay and based on Semitic cultures, so like... they *should* be brown at least.

He would mind. Don't impose your modern views on somebody that fought in WWI

@@BigKnecht did you read any of the books?

@@nukiradio yes all of them. They are rambling on endlessly about race and "racial purity" and all that stuff that would make newfans that never read the books shit themselves if they actually ever read it. And what they depict is far from the racial utopia some of you guys want to make it out to be. And that is the only reason why they readapt this shit at all, against the wishes of any actual fans. Don't go into reading LOTR believing Tolkien was some kind of progressive forward thinker. He was a conservative english professor of literature, born in south africa.

@@nukiradio additionally just as an example, here is how he described orcs in a private letter: "squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types." Here is another quote that really embodies the idea of numenorians as quasi- arian ubermensch stand- ins: "Many Elves and many mighty Men, and many of their friends, had perished in the war. Anárion was slain, and Isildur was slain; and Gil-galad and Elendil were no more. Never again shall there be any such league of Elves and Men; for Men multiply and the Firstborn decrease, and the two kindreds are estranged. And ever since that day the race of Númenor has decayed, and the span of their years has lessened. "

yeah but that becomes mute when they start talking about "woman can't make the trek" or "POC doesnt belong there"....also, i dont get it..why criticise hair lenght..I have read the books only like two elves were described as having long hair ..The beard criticism I do get..but not the elf criticism..honestly, all elfs with long hair is boring as fuck

@@UNSTABLE111 all elfs have long hair, they are fem coded, graceful, beautiful, it's thier culture. I don't care what race the charector is, but excluding important aspects like thier biology, such as all dwarves regardless of sex and elves never cutting thier hair because of culture just kinda proves who ever is working on this doesn't actaully know anything about Lord of the rings