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Can you elaborate what your getting at.

To do true science you would need exact plants that are being compared. We all know dang well there is going to be a drastic difference between a cutting of a plant compared to a seed. You can’t make a hypothesis or debunk anything when you don’t even have the proper plants. You were all over the place with your choice of plants (of course a plant from a BBS is going to be long and lanky because it’s been inside the store). And any plant off a MASSIVE chonk is going to immediately push out larger leaves. We all know that, if you truly know about plants. But, the really debate is between the older TC and newer ones. Even cuttings off the v2 will be larger if the plant is larger, but still different compared to the V1. Idk, your data is all over the place and hard to follow.

Lmaoo that is really funny I love it

I'm comparing a cutting of a monstera and it's ratio vs a fresh TC plant

And why you can't compare a v1 cutting to a v2 that was literally just deflasked

@@TechplantChannel if you want to be scientific, you should really be comparing Thais against each other, not reaching for a different type of Monstera. Mints can have variable forms and size ratios too. 🤷‍♀️ I feel like it's obvious you can't compare a plantlet to a matured specimen, but comparing an entirely different plant and claiming it supports your claim is incredibly misleading.

I should do a deep dive on all my cuttings and what has and hasnt worked. For the HUGEE ones 3inch thick they actually rotted like crazy in water. I put them in bins, 2 ways. one on a bed of sphagnum/perlite and another they were sorta suspended on top of pots so they werent touching anything and not sitting in wetnes. both the ends rotted a 1/2inch to 3 or 4 inches in but eventually they tossed out growth and stopped rotting. I have some in the bins almost a year now? they have huge rotted out portions but growing too. I will make a video. for the mint monstera with the best portion I just stuck it in some water under strong lights.

I love that you keep experimenting with formats. It keeps your content fresh. Not everything is for everyone but I like every one of your videos. And for those being unpleasant in the comments, hopefully the fact that there are comments boosts the promotion of that video (so that something good comes of it). I’m not super scientific but I appreciate when other people put in the effort. It just gets old when people who think they’re super scientific pick on every little thing in a way that isn’t constructive. Thanks for keeping at it.

I don't know how large it is but I've had some small and large ones too I guess do this. I've upset them and rhey just pause for a couple months. Eventually they wake up and grow but I have no idea why or how

Yeap, I also think there is variance amongst all the plants bother pre and post 2019. The most important is care and age tho imo

Lmao it's a super power

Yeah the only comparison I can make is from all the pics I showed that were pre 2019. Send me some pics of yours from back in the day I'm curious. techplant.official@gmai.com or in instagram

@@TechplantChannelI don’t think you can make the claim that you’re truly using “scientific evidence” when you don’t even have a first gen Thai con to compare.

@@fussbrain9161 I think you are trying to imply that my measurements and that "science" is applicable to the V1/V2 comparison. that entire portion of the video was to show why you cant compare cuttings to tc growth. I literally say in my video I cant confirm or deny v1/v2 difference, but neither can Kaylee based on the plants she held up.

​@@TechplantChannel​ if you say in the video that you cannot confirm or deny the difference how can your title to it be "These plants are not different"

@tinabeall22 the same reason Kaylee made her title the way it was

They are residue from the puppet show paternity test I did on thai cons when I sent them to a lab

​@@TechplantChannelI think about that puppet a lot

lmaoo

… I should call her

Thanks for watching!

i am at point where its loony to drag this out any further. to be honest there is so many forms of thai con, marilyn, creme brule, etc. this is just mundane at this point. theres so many mutations off of thai con that the argument can just end. I'm more inclined to listen Kaylee Ellen and pretty in green who actually sell these for a living and have seen SO MANY forms and not just of one plant but multiple of the same and having to keep them alive to sell. It's just dumb and should just lay to rest.

The first idea I'm presenting is the difference between cutting grown and fresh from TC. Another yotuber made that initial comparison which was a bad comparison. So I illustrate the difference between cuttings and fresh TC grown. The second part where I even admit I don't have a v1 but I can look at photos from 2019 and see no difference. I don't know what you took from this video but I don't think it's what I presented

This isn't scientific. Do you know what scientific means?

But she never said it was scientific

There is so much renaming for marketing its a bit ridiculous. To me if it has a patent then it a recognized cultivar.

In this case I think it hasn't anything to do with renaming. The first generation was really completely different from today's generations

@@variegated.mind. I don't think there is a generation issue, the plant has been around since the 90s at least, the pandemic was a little crazy selling chopped up garbage. Since then there has been a lot of tissue culturing using genes from plants with considerably better variegation. Same thing happened with pink princess.

will do

I'm comparing cutting grown vs a young plant from TC and showing their growing characteristics. Because the other youtuber who is making the claim that they are different made a very poor comparison.

I don’t think your comparison is very scientific either. All your “examples” of Thai plants prior to 2019 were photographs and were unable to measure. Secondly you measured other Monsteras. So scientifically speaking, you’d need to compare 2 plants around the same maturity both given the same care. Actually, a larger group would be better

I don’t understand this video at all. The other video I’m pretty sure you are referencing stated “this is not scientific, just something she’s noticed”. An observation in her own collection.

@@kitcat9825 maybe its my videos organization but you are missing the point of the comparison. My measurements have nothing to do with thai con comparisons. Im illustrating with my measurments and multiple plants that growth from cuttings have better ratios than plants direct from seed/TC| I did secure multiple pre 2019 thai cons now and ill spend the next year TC'ing them and documenting their growth. hope to see you in a year! regardless of the results it should be cool

They came from the same lab as what a lot of other youtubers are selling. I bought a ten pack so it would be odd to have a mix up, I can show you some other leaves on it if you are interested

I have acquired multiple V1s and there is a laminar flow hood order places along with tissue culture supplies, its gunna get crazy

​@@TechplantChannel so this popped up in my recommended section, how long have you been dealing with plants whether tropical or others? Always looking for more plant cm content 🤣 NGL I was pretty disappointed that there wasn't any "testing" on the og Thai but the video was still put out as if that would be happening…

Yeah it's hard to say. I'd love someone who has a bunch of these plants to make a video about them. All I can do is look at pictures from pre 2019

lmaooo

im into a lot of different things. my interests usually kinda flow around, Ive listened to a lot of indie stuff over the years and many bands are all time favorites

@@TechplantChannel name me a few

@@zachw611 the strokes, the killers, interpol, gorillaz, shiny toy guns, taking back sunday, vampire weekend, animal collective. The Strokes, The Killers and Interpol were my top ones I could listen to entire albums over and over tho same with gorillaz

@@TechplantChannel nice I’ll check them out. Ever listened to cut copy?

I'm showing examples of plants from cuttings and plants from seed or tissue culture flasks and the evidence shown suggests that monstera species grown from mature cuttings are more compact and have a better ratio that recently deflasked plants. Give me a government grant and I'll give you even better videos

Also not a single person saying they are different have offered any evidence whatsoever other than 'I feel like there is a difference' so this is the best comparison so far along with my previous videos where I sent them to a lab to be tested

@@TechplantChannel you cannot say myth busted and claim that v1/v2 is rubbish when you haven’t tested it scientifically. You have suggested you don’t like the other claims because they aren’t tested yet I would suggest growing both versions for years as these growers/youtubers/shop owner/collectors have, is a more robust assessment than what you have tried to achieve here.

sure, I cant say with 100% certainty that there is no difference, however Ive at least shown actual evidence in which Ive formed my opinion with. I found images pre dating 2019 and you can see no discernable difference as far as petiol to leaf ratio. My videos main focus was calling out a comparison another youtuber tried to make where they compared a thai con growth from a mature cutting vs a recently deflasked thai con. Those were the main illustrations that I showed in this video. There are other commenters who have a v1 and v2 who say they see no difference as well. So that means you have two conflicted opinions that are just based on a "feeling" at the very least Ive shown why comparing the v1 cutting to a v2 deflasked plant was a poor choice to try and illustrate the difference. If I can get a v1 thai con I will pay money to have it gene tested. so far im the only youtuber that has paid his own money and had plants sent to a lab to be tested for disease. I also subjected 8 other v2 thai cons to bad conditions to prove they arent weaker. I had a 100% success rate deflasking where other detractors still cant get a 100% success rate which is why they made up random claims of the plant being weak.

@@TechplantChannel sorry to chime in but as an empirical culture study person, I just wanted to add that „feelings“ can actually be assessed in a scientific way if you know how and locate it properly within their respective context. They stem from observations ppl make within their specific environment, and let‘s say if someone deals with hundreds of thais over a few years under the same care conditions and they notice a consistent difference in shipping batches, I don‘t think the observation should be easily dismissed. I think figuring out in what cases the observation is valid & relevant for everyone else is perhaps more interesting?

Verigated plants in general usually need more light cus they have fewer cloroplasts

About 1.5 years old I think I bought this end of December 2023 and it was probably a few months old at the time

If you're in the UK get one from Tropical Plants UK, I got a massive meter tall four leaf rooted plant for £50

UK also sells them from M&S, RHS and Is stay well away from Thompson and Morgan. Etsy if the seller has good reviews but eBay is usually better (agian reviews)

Point being, amazon sucks

I would think the cutting would be much more robust than a very young TC plant. I think you might see the same results regardless of the species if it were like that

lol it always seems to be the case

I've already wrote replies to messages like this too many times but you missed the core of my video. It's always wild to me that people will accept her 'evidence' but anyways it does not matter. I have built a TC lab and I have sourced multiple V1s V2s V3s and so on. I'm going to culture them all and grow out about 10 plants from each strain and see if we have any discernable difference.

@@TechplantChannel sounds good, I will look forward to hearing about your findings!

Not to even mention the basis of your original videos was debunking the fact there was a tissue cultured fungal infection on the Thai con as a whole which is not applicable to this topic as this would simply be slight differences in genetics and how those slight differences would affect the way certain plants grow for certain people in certain conditons, the only way to really scientifically put this to bed would be to have a full genome mapping done of a sample of a V1 and a V2 to see if there are any even minute differences.

Depending on the cost I'll see if I can do that. I'm sourcing a few different v1s. I also wanna TC all the v1s and v2s I have and then let their children grow out for fun and see if there is any big difference in the batches. Thanks for the comments!

You are missing the whole point of the video and what I'm illustrating. I have a new update that makes it much more clear on my goal

I think you are missing the entire idea of my video which i guess is my fault. My gripe was she showed two plants as her "proof" one was V1 growth from a mature cutting. The other "v2" was growth from a flask. My whole argument is that its a poor comparison. In my video I give you a baseline of ratios. then i show you how much better ratios are on growth from mature cuttings are vs TC and seed grown ratios. The evidence i show you shows that the growth from cuttings has a much better ratio. Meaning the two plants she showed on camera as her example that v1 is different than v2 is a BAD evidence. I'm laughing at this point because its comment after comment that always comes back to my "declarative" title that is literally the opposite of hers. She makes a declarative title claiming they are different. and her evidence she shows on screen is bad. Also I cannot understand your issues of multiple photos from pre 2019 but somehow her image of her plant is acceptable? My whole issue is there always youtubers making these big claims and yet its only every words and never once a real comparison. or any real attempt to back up words

what is sloppy? I wanted to illustrate you cant compare the growth from a cutting vs another plant thats fresh from a flask and use that as evidence that there's a difference. all the measurements I showed, show that growth from cuttings show far greater ratios than young plants from seed or flask

I'm doing the best I can, I measured the ratio on seedlings and deflasked plants to give you a good variety of measurements from that style of growth. Then I measured growth from cuttings so you could see the ratios of that style of growth. The ratio was better on the growth from cuttings. So I illustrated that making a comparison of growth from a cutting vs a deflasked plant is a bad comparison. The evidence I have gathered in this video shows this to be true. If you missed that I guess my video is disorganized so I apologize for that. But this video does 💯 show with evidence that cuttings produce better ratios than seed grown or tc grown growth at similar stages/leaf count.

@TechplantChannel no no no this goes beyond just you is like your entire generation is cocky and delusional to how anything works. You need like 1000 of each with laboratory conditions with specimens raised in the same ways... I mean this isn't scientific. You should specify that this is a kitchen experiment instead of misrepresenting. Young people are becoming arrogant and also people in general are becoming so dumb they will believe everything and be in your comments like YOU'RE A SCIENTIFIC GENIUS... I hate it here take me back to 2004 omfg.

@@pixiesprite9433 I don't know how many scientific papers you have consumed but if you read a bunch you will start to see that many times papers are written, reviewed and published with far fewer specimens than you are claiming. You will also see how rudimentary a lot of those experiments are that take place in the papers. I will provide you with this definition "the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained." There is nothing in there that says only sample sizes greater than 1000 is science. Science can be done in the hobby world. The best part about science is people can try and repeat these results. You can go to your plant collection right now and measure your ratios on growths from cuttings vs ratio on seeds and TC and report your findings and if it contradicts mine we can improve the experiment and try again. I think you are grossly overestimating what "science" is and can be. I made claims that growth from mature plants produce better plantlets with better ratios than TC and seed grown do. The evidence supports what I've said. I'm not a scientific genius nor do i claim to be. a lot of the "science" humor is directed at long term viewers who saw another youtuber try to discredit me with poorly read papers which is why i did lab testing and contacted people who work in a lab to confirm what I had said in previous videos. I do not know why you are so aggressive when I'm trying my best and in almost any video where I show you how to do something I document it as well as i can so you can see progress over time and in multiple mediums and how they perform. I think you are too worried about winning an argument instead of just being open to the future. I have contacted several people and im getting some pre 2019 thai cons that i will do my best to tissue culture and also do some DNA testing. Im disappointed in many of the commentors aggression when Im one of the few people out here at least trying to illustrate ideas. Your aggressiveness is unfair in my opinion when you are accepting Kaylee's opinion based of her observations she claims and nothing else. I dont mind that at all but i dont know why you are going wild on me when im trying to illustrate neat concepts. Literally no one in my comments even my supporters have every called me a genius, they just appreciate my attempts to illustrate ideas and growth. AND unlike kaylee my Dms are open and i collaborate with all sorts of people and I listen to their opinions and take time to type stuff like this out. Ive had a lot of fun in the plant world working with people. There have been hundreds of Dms of people disagreeing with me or showing me their findings and changing my mind or helping me modify my ideas. I hope after reading this we can be at peace and if you can present me some contrary results about cuttings growth vs TC growth I would love to see it so I can do more experimentation