It's already 1 forever to play cardian in 3 zone, now md has 5 zone

The fact that there are several second delays before every action make it painfully slow. If the opponent has a hand trap thats an extra 1-3 seconds PER activation.

You have not lived until you surrender after seeing the first flower cardian being summoned.

Honestly I do this pretty often when I get matched up against phantom knights going second. I ain't got the time to sit there for an hour, I'd rather just surrender and move on with my life. That being said, Flower Cardians are pretty based, so I'd probably let them go off.

I feel like if Master Duel had preset taunts/messages or something that could be spammed, I'd surrender out of boredom less often. Spamming "Wow!" or "Good game!" or whatever as someone's trying to go through their plays at least adds some psychological interactions if I lack gameplay interactions.

Dynamite FTK was also a botted deck. After the nerfs, they also cracked down on botted accounts.

As a thunder dragon player I have no such weaknesses

I mean take any gimmick deck and if you have thousands of bot accounts running it 24/7 then people will start teching against it like you would in BO3.

Except as MBT himself pointed out, Banquet burn was quite inconsistent even if the opponent had a full ED.

@@chaotixthefox Still running a 9-card extra deck out of extreme paranoia and nothing else

A searchable Lava Golem would unironically be pretty good. Shame that no Toon monsters can beat over it, so you'd be hurting yourself more than your opponent.

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Run mask of restrict and mask it. We're already running semi-jank might as well go whole hog and run some real jank.

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 What are you talking about, Toon BLS can crash with it or just outright banish it through its banishment effect, or if you're super desperate you can Comic Hand it or XYZ summon Big Eye to steal it, plenty of ways for a Toon deck to deal with a 3k attack monster, heck theoretically you could Play Blue Eyes toon dragon to crash into such a monster pre-BLS.

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 lava golem is searchable with dark spirit's mastery

@@Honest_Mids_Masher lmao

If only MD could live that dream.

rip Prank-Kids

True

@@Jacktherippa84 adamancipators need it frick u

hi

If you wanna meme hard you can add a Floowandereeze and the Unexplored Winds to a Monarch deck. It's like a continuous stormforth that you can also use to tribute backrow

@@Dr.CaveCurinas tks for the idea

You can even play Raiza!

I mean Raiza rears it’s ugly head as one of their strongest win conditions so it’s basically still monarch.

First time I fought flowandreeze, they were playing it with all the monarch s/t. Pretty fun I thought. Now I just play pure flow with Raiza...

Sounds like a runic player I played the other day All they did was recycle their spells and banish my deck No monster played by them, and I couldn't even set up a real board because of hand traps I ended up forfeiting with 13 cards left in my deck with all my monsters banished

based

i will never understand why master duel refuses to make a best of 3

@@MaxwellAlvaradoI think it’s cause the game is inherently designed to be fast paced but it’s got WAY too fast paced recently to the point it’s almost rare you see a 3rd turn, I know this is a common complaint with Yu Gi Oh power creep but there are so many one card wins that it sometimes feels like a coin toss match, and the worst part is you’re forced to always run the cards you hate (ie. Maxx “C”) just cause not doing so inherently leaves you at a huge disadvantage

The deck doesn't have a good win-con

@@kingcromson4233 getting maxx c'd is the win con That or boring the opponent to death and forcing them to surrender

@@kingcromson4233 tbh, double lightflare, a lightshower and boardefly effect resolved is pretty nasty. Locked out the gy and nothing can be done about that, 2 s/t negates, can't be targeted or destroyed by effects, 1500 burn in draw phase, negate the effects of anything battled is as much a win con as many other decks can produce

Am I an asshole for exclusively playing flower cardians for ftks?

@@theradams97 what

Now you know how OCG player feel looking at your 3 Mystic Mine

and barely anyone cares most people complain about maxx c, rhongo and vanities but pretty much noone cares about all the other ones

@@themonarchserupt4051 I have seen like 2 Rhongos in my entire time playing MD since release. I do not understand how so many people are mad about a card that is only ran in one of the worst and fragile decks in the game. Rhongo isn't even PKs normal combo, they need to draw extenders to make it and pray you dont have any interruption. I think he is fairly balanced rn, especially after adventure most PK decks dropped him. Rhongo is a card that is weak vs handtraps but strong vs going 2nd staples which is a neat trade off compared to all the handtrap resistant stuff that dies to drnm or droplet.

@@luminous3558 A card that says "The opponent cannot Normal or Special Summon" should not exist whether it is good or not. PK Rhongo could cause an instant loss and it should still be banned. He just should not exist full stop.

@@luminous3558 its not about how common they are, it’s about cards that the moment they come into play the game is basically over

Even if it did release in line with the OCG it would've seen zero play, as Galaxy Tomahawk was long since banned.

@@Skasaha_ I was just thinking about giving the Armed Dragon Thunder pilots(yes pilots plural) at my locals some much needed help😂😂😂

How many gems does that even return? 30 UR is worth more than 1000 gems imo

Just play the cheap lifegain cards or play prank kid.

Hey, you just told everyone my secret strategy how I did that mission in the first & second season.

or alternatively spend 30 CP on battle butler and play prankids

Or craft Battle Butler and get it even faster with more wins

Did you not read the text

@@manynukes11 Was alt-tabbed during that. Also, pretty bold to assume a YGO player would _read_

@@manynukes11 imagine reading that on a mobile. :|

Konami said so for Gamma chain Ash chain Gamma not working still infuriates me

@@meathir4921 I thought the whole reason it does not work is because most people only play one gamma, and since the chain resolves backwards, the first gamma does nothing because there is no driver to summon?

I'd love to see something like "Cards that used to be terrible/never saw any competitive play until *years* after they were first printed, at which point they became unbelievably strong, bannably strong in some cases." Cards like Cold Wave, Kaiser Colosseum, Grinder Golem, etc.

@@chewdoom8415 No, because you can chain Gamma if you have a second copy in hand. Instead, the game has a rule where Trigger effects that special from the hand are once per copy per chain for no reason (so for example you can chain Fairy Tail Snow in the same chain twice but if it could summon from hand you wouldn’t be able to do it from hand twice)… except that Gamma is a Fast effect, not a Trigger.

@@meathir4921 oh yeah. I'm thinking of another type of scenario involving two gammas

All I want is a separate best two out of three mode and or a solo training mode for slight rewards against various levels of AI computer opponents based on all the eras of ygo

@@bloodarcher7841 SP deck challenge?

And also straight up largest beater on field with skill drain on

The verb is "halves" "Half's" would be the contraction "half is" which makes no sense

@@cbbblue8348 malefic truth dragon: heya

@@puppieslovies No one cares

@@Alex-he5pj I didn't ask

I added it as soon as I noticed it was unbanned in my Harpie deck. Works like a charm to go into Smorg into a 2nd link, either Doom Eagle or Harpie Conductor, and special Apex or Barrier wind statue at the end

Lucky guy

​@@kaiser371 Smorg

Favorite fluffal for chain blocking is Cat

@@LomasneyAaron My favorite is Penguin

@@runningoncylinders3829 i only dont like using penguin unless i chain block penguin with something else so it cant be ashes

I wish I was a better Fluffal player so I could understand this thread. I just built it because it looked fun to turn cute stuffed animals into demonic abominations (and it is.)

@@LomasneyAaron I like baiting out an Ash with specifically Penguin! If you get to draw, super! If not, you probably still get to go 2nd after this Whale disruption, and they might not have the Ash anymore to your Toy Vendor or Patchwork. (They may still have Maxx "C" though.)

Yeah MD gets exponentially more boring after you leave Rookie ranks. Because nowadays you can run into the same meta relevant, 25 staples+ 16 cards of whatever your deck is actually supposed to be as low as Bronze 4.

Yeah I wish I could just play something fun like life point gain mill or time thief suship or something and not have to worry about all the try harding

Yugioh is just not a Bo1 game. You would have to heavily restrict card releases and availability like in Duel Links to make it somewhat work but for whatever reason though, Konami thinks MD banlist is fine. Even if they add a Bo3 queue with side decking they would still need to revamp that banlist. Its such a dogshit banlist.

@@ianL-S Agreed, I just want a permanent "Go Fuck Yourself Festival" where all the top-tier decks aren't playable so I can justify playing more out-there decks.

@@ThermiteKitty exactly cause my life point mill deck kinda needs photon butterfly as well as the paleozoic xyz monsters available as well to do the full combo but what's the point in going into an xyz without it becoming Zeus

It wasn’t ever supposed to do that. It’s not like they can lie and say they don’t have monsters.

even just "cannot activate effects on the field the turn you activate" would be fantastic. I get the argument for maxx C as a way to stop combo decks from going off. I don't 100% agree, but I could accept the card if it primarily benefited the player going second. But it doesn't. Mathematically speaking, maxx C is more beneficial to the player going *first.* A lot of decks draw a few extra cards off their combo, and if they have a negate up for your ash/called by/whatever, there's not much you can do. Odds are if you drew Ash in your five card opener you already used it on their turn anyway. Good luck breaking the combo board when every single play you make nets them even more advantage. You haven't known pain until you've successfully handtrapped Drytron down to one card in hand, it turns out to be maxx C, and on your first special they draw Eva.

Never a good time when your opponent summons a tiny cute doggo only to then mill their whole deck and burn you for 8k

HtF does Ruinforce FTK even work?

Maxx C ruins the game

"Floo" comes from the ocg standing for "fluffy" + "wander" + "breeze"

The cards are meant to be like a whimsical children's book, hence the triple word mashup.

Honestly Maxx C is the least problematic card outta the bunch. There are way more degenerate cards besides it.

@@IrrelevantOaf it really says a lot about MD that Maxx "C" isn't one of the problem cards, and if anything it's more of a "get out of jail" card when going second

Honestly I'm the same way. I get that Maxx C is a card that shouldn't be legal at 3 copies, but I hardly use it or run into it. I run it in all my decks but most of the time it just sits there in my hand or gets Ash'd anyways. It seems like I never actually get it to resolve.

@@IrrelevantOaf maxxc is the MOST degenerate card what are you talking about lmfao

Exactly. If you play 20 cards on turn 1 and end with 6 cards in the hand and 3 negates on the field you deserve to be maxx c'd.

If Superheavy Samurai can get away with it, so can Speedroids

@@MFChanical every masterpiece (Kaijuball) has it's cheap copy (Kaijumagnet)

Changes like that don't fix the fundamental issue with Maxx C. Also that's not how you build a competitive deck. You will always lose in certain situations/matchups so instead of trying to somewhat mitigate them by sacrificing power, consistency or good matchups you should instead focus on improving what your deck is already good at. This is especially true in MD, where there's not only bo1, but also a ton of "win button" cards running around absolutely unchecked - you won't be able to prepare for everything, so instead you just accept a losr when it happens, and try to make sure you win more games when it doesn't. It's not players' problem, it's just a shitty format.

Maxx C never resolves. There are 3 copies of maxx C and 8 copies of the anti maxx C out. 8 in 40 is 1 in 5 which means you statistically should open a maxx c out every game. Maxx C would be better if it had the Pot of Greed clause of being on the banlist.

max c is a prime example of a card that just aged in a way that changed its use. a max c like card would be far better if it drew for every 3 special summons and needs end phase discards to make the hand 3/4 so that their is an actual cost to limit the benefits past the activation turn.

@@luminous3558 max c is so powerful that just it does not even need to resolve to negatively impact the game. its existance makes decks 32 cards

@@randomprotag9329 To be fair, with the GY being so relevant and basically a second hand, discards hardly would be considered a real drawback for most decks.

Maxx C gives way too much card advantage without any effort required, and for some decks it can really mean that their turn ends because they can't stop all the card advantage the opponent gets, so they are forced to have weaker boards, again, without any skill involved from the Maxx C player. At least with Ash Blossom you can play around it. That is the reason that I dislike it at least, but there are many players who like the card, so I guess it depends on what format you like. And while it never got banned in the OCG that doesn't really mean much. OCG and TCG have different metas.

Maxx C is a LITERAL GOD CARD. It has no draw cap so its quite unfair and it presents a FALSE duality. Sure I can pass turn with no interuptions. Thats an easy way to lose to Accesscode immedately after. Or I can try to make a board but that would be soiled due to the sheer card advantage abd potential other handtraps drawn from Maxx C. And if a board cant be estaished...ima get Accesscoded. Thank god this card is forever banned in the TCG. Literal autowin button. Maybe if it had a draw cap of 2 itd be balanced.

@@filipemaciel5619 don't talk about skill... if you play a deck that can search your whole deck continuosly of everything and end up with a huge board it is not skill it is play the same old boring combo on a unfair OP deck for a best of 1 format If your field is almost impossible to beat without draw handtraps or droplet/dark ruler no more or lava golem you deserve receave maxx c in face Master duel is a game not a tournament meta should not exist and a card that cheat deck difference power level is extremely appreciated!

@@willburning6955 master duel literally was made for tcg/ocg players as its target auidence...

@@filipemaciel5619 The effort is the opponents. Its their fault. They can choose to basically make it a negate if they stop special summoning. When someone puts a Maxx C in their deck they either have opponents who special summon and choose to keep doing so, or they have dead cards. It's not even a tuner like Ash Blossom, its literally useless outside of a specific circumstance. Turns can likewise effectively end for many decks when an Ash Blossom or Effect vailer or what have you gets played. The difference is with Maxx C they actually get a choice. They can say: "go on, draw your 20 cards, I'm about to put out so many omni negates and unaffected cards that picking up your whole deck won't even matter." (It should be pointed out that sometimes this is a really good feeling) Or that player can just preform a single special summon, making the Maxx C a +0 The OCG might have developed its own meta, but so does Master duel, And changing or diversifying the Meta is always good for a card company ( because card demand and stagnation and all that standard crap card companies use to validate selling new cards.) And as you said OCG is a different Meta. So is Master Duel. And it should frankly stay that way. The more alternative environments with more alternative Meta decks could give more people's favorite decks a potential chance to somewhere someday maybe actually be remotely playable. Instead of just waiting for a ban list to change the format you can just jump onto or off of Master Duel to play in an entirely different Meta. (This also again, allows the physical cards to keep a certain value rather than just being a physical game that's harder to find people to play with) It's not an unfair card at all, not even close. It's at the mercy of the person you play it on. I'd genuinely rather be hit with a Maxx C summoning from the deck than an Ash Blossom, because all I did was put them at +0 and I still got my card out. If the opponent doesn't want to do their combo at the price they can always normal summon, set and maybe do lots of clever things during their opponents turn if they got something more versatile.

I run it in Toons, which is a very fun swerve. Got it from a Danger player's Extra Deck.

I wouldn't really say that. Before the adventure, yea. But now, no Rhongo adventure PK is performing just as well, if not better.

@@bagorngo Yeah recently when I check a PK deck list it rarely even has Rhongo in it.

Funny because that deck lost to any handtrap prior to adventure and post adventure they dropped rhongo because its super greedy.

As a PK player I refuse to run Rhongo outta principle.

Lies, it actually makes Cyberdarks a menace in MD unless you drew Harpie's. You don't see it as often, because other decks have better tools for locking you out (like VFD or Rhongho). It's better than in TCG, but the banned cards do it even better than UC. If some of those cards got banned? UC might get some extra use instead.

I would say its just as good as it is in the tcg. Nothing more, nothing less

LMAOOOO this did not age well at all, turns out beetrooper are ass even if they can search maximum c

Nah ban it and ban the outs and ban all the stupid extra deck monsters that somehow came off the list. You not getting FTKed has nothing to do with maxx C it has everything to do with FTKs being unplayably bad. Stuff like pend ftk can't run handtraps and almost every FTK is a brick collection waiting to happen.

Eh, i dont think so. maxx is 100% a banned or untouched in any format in my opinion, because if its at any number that isnt 3 or 0, you have to decide if you want to run the anti c package for a sacky 2 or 1 of that practically wins you the game, but at 3, you can justifiably build your deck around not letting such a strong card like the bug resolve, and at zero you don't have to give a shit. I think adding another sacky card thats even more impactful than duster or geki in a sacky bo1 format already is going to feel way worse.

Io vanities vfd colossus and maxx were all legal together for quite awhile in the ocg

N/R Festival convinced me that we should just have some of the Festivals as permanent casual modes. The stricter banlists and gimmick focuses make them a different beast from Ranked and ensure that they don't just become Ranked like an unenforceable casual mode would be.

@@ThermiteKitty N/R Festival really is a treat and a half. The only reason I can think of why stuff like N/R is on a rotation instead of a regular thing is that more casual formats don't appeal to the whales.

Because Maxx C was banned before Crossout was in the game.