The only thing I remember from the Muppet Christmas movie is that the Twin Towers are shown in his alternate reality which means Kermit did something in his life that caused 9/11

Chris Cooper: Can I copy your homework? Joan Cusack: Sure, just change it up!

My theory is the events of The Muppets are Muppets canon that actually happened in universe and the Christmas one is the Muppets as actors making a TV special based on their own experiences.

Apparently, they're adding Manhattan, Space, and Kermit's swamp year's to D+, so I hope they add this one as well

The Great Muppet Caper and Muppets Most Wanted feel very similar to me.

You can also compare MUPPETS MOST WANTED to THE GREAT MUPPET CAPER.

7:07 I've seen both these movies several times each, but only while watching the clips under this voiceover did I notice the restaurant "Barretta's" next door to the theatre in the Christmas special. Nice nod to Muppeteer Bill Barretta, no doubt. (Pepe, Bobo, various others)

I love both movies talked about in this video! This story line was sorta used in the original The Muppet Show itself, when the owner J.P. Grosse wanted to demolish the theater.

One of these movies is a really smart representation of The Muppets and features some of the Muppet performers’ strongest performances. The other one was made by Jason Segel.

The reason for the similarity is that both of the movies are based on a concept, which was thought about since at least the 90s, when some fan outlets started writing about a few of the plot elements seen in the two of these. (From what I remember, that was a project meant to happen before Muppets from Space, or even Muppets in Space - the original script for the movie - took off.)

I hadn't even heard of the TV movie until I randomly found it on TV a few weeks ago.

Very interesting comparison. I find it interesting how close these two films are. Although I'd consider the 2002 film more of an actual Muppet movie. 2011's film I felt could be titled 'Jason Segel & Amy Adams: featuring The Muppets' with the amount of unnecessary screen time the two are given. It's a shame that Muppets Most Wanted doesn't get the credit I believe it deserves.

I haven’t seen the Christmas movie in a long time, so I didn’t realize this, but you’re right this is insane! Still doesn’t make either movie any less enjoyable, though.

first and a big muppet fan hopefully they can make more movies again

I was recently thinking about this, noticing the parallels between both movies are very similar

I just happened to stumble upon this channel and this video. I've actually been saying for a while that A Very Merry Muppet Christmas was practically a precursor to The Muppets 2011...although I don't know many people personally who care enough about this stuff as I do so no one's really been around to listen. Haha. I also think ..Muppet Christmas is quite underrated in terms of some of the humour used in it. Some of it is very odd and bleak, but I still remember enjoying it.

7:22 ...prior popularity in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.

You're not alone. I noticed it too, back when The Muppets came out. What IS strange, is the fact there's no other videos on this.

I love both of these movies. I think The Muppets have been around long enough that there’s some unintentional self plagiarism

to add a 3rd layer gonzo was under a table in the great muppet caper at the fashion show and hears the entire villanious plot!

I've never noticed that I never watched the Christmas one since I always watch Muppets Christmas Carol but this was very surprising! Great video can't wait for Muppet content videos

I watch it’s a very merry muppet Christmas every year!!

This was interesting, thanks. I miss quality Muppets content.

I haven’t watched the full video yet ( you make great content), but I completely agree there is a plot that is weirdly similar.

Surprised I never noticed the similarities myself, having re-watched both movies several times- (both of these movies being some of my favorites, but that kinda goes for all underplayed/underrated movies of the franchise). Once again, lovely video! Love seeing more muppet discussion here on youtube, being a bit of a Henson fanatic.

I have been saying this since 2011. I also love both films. Thank you so much for such a great video.

Eric Jacobsen plays Fozzie AMD Miss Piggy in both movies. But his Fozzie in IAVMMCM sounds SO much better than in 2011, even though it’s the same performer. Idk what happened, but it was really distracting in The Muppets

I've thought about this for years! Glad I'm not alone! Good job

Another similar film: The Country Bears (2002)

Im always telling this and in the muppets 2011 they also act like the havent seen eachother since the muppet show stopped airing But in letter to santa they are all chilling together like best freinds like they always did. And that released a couple of years before the 2011 movie. Muppets became lame now

With all the similarities I have to say that I found myself liking how the 2002 movie handled the premise better, even with it essentially being "It's a Wonderful Life" with Kermit. I've only seen the 2011 movie once and just remember it not sitting well with me when their premise was based around selling the idea that The Muppets had become these forgotten relics of pop culture that weren't relevant anymore, like Disney was just wanting to play on the nostalgia of the original Muppet Show more than play up the characters themselves as timeless icons. In the 2002 movie they're clearly still relevant and entertaining people before they run into their troubles of having to save the theater, which weren't because of it being left rundown and unused like in the 2011 movie. I also prefer the resolution of having the theater be made into a historical landmark over having the bad guy in the 2011 movie get hit in the head with a bowling ball to forget all about wanting to tear the theater down, which some would almost want to think of as lazy writing even if played for laughs. This is sure to be an even bigger hot take but as far as Muppet Christmas movies go I think the 2002 movie even feels more like a Muppets-centric movie with more of their traditional humor than Muppet Christmas Carol, not that I would ever try to suggest that it isn't a very good Christmas movie itself or a good adaptation of A Christmas Carol but for me it never feels as much like a "Muppets movie", IMO.

Nice seeing you back! Haven't seen the latter, but might check it out now-interesting topic!

Hmm interesting, thank you again some boi :)

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Great video man. I really want some new muppet content I don’t care if it has Matt Vogel because he doesn’t bother me that much.

Only one straight fact:The muppets movie is about. How does the muppets they met and came,arrives to hollywood. The muppets:2011 It's about to gather all the muppets and stop a richman oil to destroy the biggest,important to save the Muppet theaters studio show.I swearing in my soul I watch the 2011 in dvd.

Alot of plot points from the 2011 Muppets were also recycled from The Country Bears movie.

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can you talk about sesame street and how it changed over the years

i just watched the christmas movie today and totally noticed that too! too bad the 2011 movie didn't also feature more Pepe

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They shouldn't have brought miss piggy back, she abused that poor lizard!! 😬😂

Hmmmm still love these movies

7:10 i think another reason that it hasn't gotten as much exposure as the other ones is because Disney didn't get it in the 2004 buyout

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You know 2002 country bears movie had the exact same plot as the 2011 muppets. To which the Jim henson company was alston involved with.

There's actually an entire page for the similarities on the Muppet Wiki which is a really interesting read. While I do like It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, it isn't even in the same league as The Muppets. muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Similarities_between_It's_a_Very_Merry_Muppet_Christmas_Movie_and_The_Muppets

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It's okay if Disney doesn't believe in The Muppets because I for sure don't believe in Disney😠

I've been saying this for years!

Will able to notice about this?. I just saying this video,tells us about the difference and the betweens of the 2 movie the 2:There's the christmas special and the movie from the 2011. It's basically taken of doing something. Even notice. In the 1978s the muppets. Where it tells us. How does the muppets came and arrives to the hollywood?. There's the other movie it is called:The ñ

I never heard of this Christmas movie and I'm glad I didn't. The Muppets was an awful movie and another movie that lifts a lot of elements from it is probably awful too