The997 GT2 RS Is the Fastest Stick-Shift Production Porsche Ever! - One Take

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The Porsche 997 GT2 RS is the rarest GT Porsche street car ever, with only 500 copies produced. Making an obscene (for the time, and now) 620 HP from 3.6 liters, the GT2 was the first 911 to feature the now-ubiquitous Variable Turbine Geometry, which allowed it to build boost in neutral for better, quicker launches. By looking at the stats, you'd think it was hairy to drive, but we actually find it to be remarkably user-friendly on track!
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@mattrockwell6214
@mattrockwell6214 3 жыл бұрын
I think the scary reputation at the time was heavily linked to slightly older generation Cup tires being used and cold, wet European weather!
@sniperassasin1264
@sniperassasin1264 3 жыл бұрын
Old tires are why all turbo porsches were scary
@Stealth_Rider91
@Stealth_Rider91 3 жыл бұрын
This whole video proves Matt's experience in a car and on a track. He is giving you a full review of a very expensive car while going at a much higher than medium pace on a track where you can not make a mistake. Otherwise you're in a wall and your shit is totaled. Very cool. There is no Smoking Tire without Matt Farah.
@DonSh3
@DonSh3 3 жыл бұрын
and he corrected himself on camera when he didn't get the shift points right in the turn
@Stealth_Rider91
@Stealth_Rider91 3 жыл бұрын
@@DonSh3 He's a genuine and real dude. I sent him pictures of my Mustang build in a PM on Insta and he took the time to reply and compliment my car personally.
@bdcash
@bdcash 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's hard to drive at that sort of pace and keep the commentary up. I'd have gone very quiet..
@jonlamb9674
@jonlamb9674 Жыл бұрын
😅
@LaudaMaestro
@LaudaMaestro 3 жыл бұрын
Alright, Matt. Get ready for a bit of an ego boost cause, I’m about to sing your praises for a minute here. Henry Catchpole takes me into a car dream, Doug Dimuro shows me what every button in a car does and Matt Watson gives me the most entertaining dose of drag races and pretty good magazine type car reviews and I’ve taken a moment to comment with my appreciation for what they do in the past and never done so for this channel. I really think that even though this channel has a massive amount of fans, you are still under-appreciated. This is the only channel where I literally feel like I went for a ride with the person driving. Most other channels do a great job with editing but, that also involves cutting out more of the natural time in the car than you do. I think you have a unique talent of giving a lot of detailed information about what a car is like to drive while you are driving and the best thing is that it seems like you don’t have to make an effort to do that. It seems to be your nature to do that and so, I feel like I’m not watching an over-edited and scripted show, I feel like a passenger in the car with a friend. It also helps a whole lot that you’re a good driver and you actually take us for a proper fucking drive. A real life enthusiast’s drive. I’m obviously a huge fan. I love where this channel started and love where you’re at now. Keep doing what you’re doing man. Best of luck to you. Love from Egypt.
@aaronalexander8826
@aaronalexander8826 3 жыл бұрын
Could not have said it better myself
@ghagen888
@ghagen888 3 жыл бұрын
This feels like my subconscious wrote it.
@phantommedia9964
@phantommedia9964 3 жыл бұрын
100% agreed
@alf2633
@alf2633 3 жыл бұрын
100% on the money there!!
@Whatsth3ruckus
@Whatsth3ruckus 2 жыл бұрын
Matt is really great, but don't forget about Chris Harris and Harry Metcalfe!
@TamasBodo97
@TamasBodo97 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, my favourite Porsche ever, driven by my favourite car reviewer. Dreams do come true!
@bman99ss
@bman99ss 3 жыл бұрын
If dreams came true, there'd be one in your garage right now . . .
@heartolearn9413
@heartolearn9413 3 жыл бұрын
Why is it your favorite?
@MichaelDKmann
@MichaelDKmann 3 жыл бұрын
Stole the words right out of my head!
@The1MkII
@The1MkII 3 жыл бұрын
One day it will be you driving it!!!
@rlsjunior797
@rlsjunior797 3 жыл бұрын
That bracelet running across the paint made me nervous
@tt100123
@tt100123 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to comment the exact same thing :D
@supahone3
@supahone3 3 жыл бұрын
DIDDO! LOLOL
@JacesOwnWorld
@JacesOwnWorld 3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@andresmirt
@andresmirt 3 жыл бұрын
Press car. That things probably more scratched up than his cats toys
@deathcab4booty
@deathcab4booty 3 жыл бұрын
Does driving your car on a public road make you nervous about the wheel wells and front bumper too?
@kamikaze1827
@kamikaze1827 3 жыл бұрын
It's a widow maker because when a man is faced with the choice between his own wife and a 997 GT2 RS, he'll choose the latter.
@Houthiandtheblowfish
@Houthiandtheblowfish 3 жыл бұрын
Best comment 🤣
@kamikaze1827
@kamikaze1827 3 жыл бұрын
@@Houthiandtheblowfish He's dead to her ^__^
@stevetheodore_specialtycars
@stevetheodore_specialtycars 3 жыл бұрын
As the proud owner of a 997.1 GT2 you can be sure that I approve highly of this video. I've owned mine about 1.5 years now and had the coolant lines welded and an RS flywheel added this year. On track and on road it's actually a true sweetheart, just as Matt noted...never actively trying to kill you. I have a few more enhancements I'll make in time to take it a bit beyond the GT2 RS performance level, but not too much as it's such a truly enjoyable car to own and drive. Porsche honestly don't make them like this anymore in their lineup, making me all the happier to hang onto the older stuff. The 997 generation really represents Peak 911 in the eyes of mine and many others.
@MrRatFinkster
@MrRatFinkster 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the normal 911 Turbo in like 2007 had variable geometry turbos.
@hmk911
@hmk911 3 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@ttmezger
@ttmezger 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. That’s what I have too. Seems to be a common misconception that the GT2 RS was the first with VTG.
@Wasdfg603
@Wasdfg603 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Matt has never been good at journalism, just privileged
3 жыл бұрын
@@Wasdfg603 Miaow.
@boblast5582
@boblast5582 3 жыл бұрын
the 997 Turbo was around before the GT2 RS and it also had variable geometry turbos
@joeleonard9965
@joeleonard9965 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but the 2006 997.1 Turbo had the first production gas engine with VGT. (Or porsche's "VTG")
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing how fast the GT2RS, I can see why Porsche went PDK only with the new GT2RS But seeing a manual in the 997 GT2RS is just so cool!
@odin5188
@odin5188 3 жыл бұрын
Really wish they didn't, not all of us have slow brains
@RCXDerp
@RCXDerp 3 жыл бұрын
@@odin5188 I really doubt your brain works as fast as you think
@odin5188
@odin5188 3 жыл бұрын
@@RCXDerpDon't compare me with your ineptitude. As i said "not all" PDK killjoy is there for drivers like you.
@thesecretperk
@thesecretperk 3 жыл бұрын
@@odin5188 relax kid we know you drive a manual 2000hp supra.
@odin5188
@odin5188 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesecretperk MR2 Turbo actually 😎
@Erik-qb1yf
@Erik-qb1yf 3 жыл бұрын
Been loving the daily uploads of the gt cars! Thanks for not holding out 1 per week Matt
@The_Unkn0wn_5.0
@The_Unkn0wn_5.0 3 жыл бұрын
This has been my dream car since I was a kid. I’ve been waiting for this video for a while and it was fucking worth the wait. Amazing job and some awesome driving Matt.
@heartolearn9413
@heartolearn9413 3 жыл бұрын
Curious why this is over other Porsche GT’s?
@heartolearn9413
@heartolearn9413 3 жыл бұрын
Also why not the GT3 RS 4.0 over this?
@Ssh52
@Ssh52 3 жыл бұрын
@@heartolearn9413 they're two different monsters in their own right. This is the angry and brutish one, whereas the GT3RS is the sharper one, with more precision...
@FerdinandReisch
@FerdinandReisch 3 жыл бұрын
Hats off to Matt, that was some fast paced driving and he was still able to run off all the facts and feel, even driving one handed. Impressed sir.
@drivendreamgarage523
@drivendreamgarage523 3 жыл бұрын
Love seeing these cars out being used and really like that you got the chance to drive them back to back to back.
@javidgt8
@javidgt8 3 жыл бұрын
First video I’m seeing in a while. Good to be back. Especially that Matt is back in the cars. Ngl I kinda fell off when the other dude started reviewing lol. Hope to see more of Matt now that I’m back!
@bunnynn14
@bunnynn14 3 жыл бұрын
Loving this series of cars can't wait for the 911R video
@hasley84
@hasley84 3 жыл бұрын
This video really shows how good Matt is at Driving and talking to camera. Very impressive and very sure I would be unable to match that pace with full focus.
@georgekeith7201
@georgekeith7201 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff.. always a pleasure to watch my 2 favourite cars..
@azmclaren8835
@azmclaren8835 3 жыл бұрын
Loving the series, Matt
@chadillacinc
@chadillacinc 3 жыл бұрын
This car got me into Porsche. It's beautiful.
@MartijnPeek
@MartijnPeek 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Wasn't the 997 Turbo the first Porsche model with variable geometry turbo's though? Since that came 2 years earlier.
@raven69600
@raven69600 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely on the bucketlist... Porsche driving experience... Did Speed Vegas already, got to drive the GT3 3.8 and Cayman Gts. Only drawback was they were both PDK... but I still had a blast!
@VarioFelce
@VarioFelce 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao at 1:26 Matt with the impersonation of one famous british youtuber
@cjzx325
@cjzx325 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the million subs Matt and Zach!
@shanebigfella1636
@shanebigfella1636 3 жыл бұрын
Purely badass. I love this car. Thank you
@bargym2312
@bargym2312 3 жыл бұрын
What a legend! Maybe my favorite GT Porsche
@turn1_shorts
@turn1_shorts 3 жыл бұрын
How in the Sam Hell does Porker from Vehicle Virgins have over twice as many subscribers.... THIS is just the best automotive KZfaq channel out there bar none
@immanueldarjean5050
@immanueldarjean5050 3 жыл бұрын
Parker is a kid channel, this is a adult channel. Kids watch youtube all the time , adults work.
@blackshadow7192
@blackshadow7192 3 жыл бұрын
He has a poor engagement. His views are very low compared to his 2.2M subs.
@immanueldarjean5050
@immanueldarjean5050 3 жыл бұрын
@@blackshadow7192 His channel is about to die. He got in a big fight with a bunch of youtubers, was on drugs and acting crazy. So his views went from half a million per video to like 20 or 30k. I heard hes broke now. He's been MIA for months.
@timmietz
@timmietz 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, I love this series! Thank you for doing these for all these years. However, 2 corrections if I may: Variable Geometry Turbo technology was first introduced on the 997.1 TURBO not 997.2. The SharkWerks car that you drove, if I am not mistaken, was a modified 997.1 GT2 not the 997.2 GT2RS like this one. Semantics, I know...
@GarageSupra
@GarageSupra 3 жыл бұрын
Sick set of videos! loving it! also 1 MILLION MILE SUBS
@qikqbn77
@qikqbn77 3 жыл бұрын
not that I am biased ;^) But digging all the 997 love in the last two videos. The 997 4.0 and GT2 RS will continue to be a very special sweet spot in Porsche history. You are one lucky dude Matt!! Thanks for sharing.
@Veyronp87
@Veyronp87 3 жыл бұрын
this is one of my favorite Porsches ever.
@jasonhebert8933
@jasonhebert8933 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on the 1 million subscribers👏👏
@ac3tate909
@ac3tate909 3 жыл бұрын
I love how all these beautiful Porsche’s are all 3000lbs and not 500lbs more each successive production year Porsche knows how to do this stuff so well, it’s really awesome
@noiiaz96
@noiiaz96 3 жыл бұрын
Favourite modern body style. Beautiful.
@LiamDrives
@LiamDrives 3 жыл бұрын
Man that track looks like a blast to drive on.
@nipps223
@nipps223 3 жыл бұрын
Watched 4 out of 5 so far. I now wish all manufacturers had track days experiences like this.
@drummerdoingstuff5020
@drummerdoingstuff5020 3 жыл бұрын
This has been an absolute treat to see fmatt drive these cars like they were meant to be in a proper review. Porsche are on top of the car game and man I want one but they keep getting more and more unobtainable...
@shizabox
@shizabox 3 жыл бұрын
This is still my favorite Porsche to this day.
@EFRANEED
@EFRANEED 3 жыл бұрын
What a dream, this is one of my dream cars... ugh
@supahone3
@supahone3 3 жыл бұрын
Okay tell me why I was so distracted by your bracelet tapping the paint during the commercial! 😉
@edkramer5592
@edkramer5592 3 жыл бұрын
you're supah sensitive LOL
@LapoftheWorld
@LapoftheWorld 3 жыл бұрын
I still have a sentimental preference for the 996 GT2 among the GT2s, but I had the opportunity to ride in a 997 RS when they were new, and after a few laps around Pocono, the phrase "obnoxiously fast" stuck in my head with respect to how violently these things could pull out of a slow corner compared to anything I'd driven.
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 3 жыл бұрын
The 992 GT2RS is indeed a special car
@rafael6769
@rafael6769 3 жыл бұрын
man 991r coming up i cant wait
@TheEvilPadawan
@TheEvilPadawan 3 жыл бұрын
Sick footage
@blacksheep343
@blacksheep343 3 жыл бұрын
It's the seatbelt door handle for me.
@edkramer5592
@edkramer5592 3 жыл бұрын
me too. i prefer a shoe lace
@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind
@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind 3 жыл бұрын
@@edkramer5592 I like fishing line.
@haydentakara4369
@haydentakara4369 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoGoodHandlesComingToMind I like none at all. Crawl through the window
@ashy_gee6
@ashy_gee6 3 жыл бұрын
I will always thumbs a GT2, congratulations on the 1mil.
@luislopes2240
@luislopes2240 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advices on my balls Matt, always providing good and proven knowledge about everything that has to do with our balls! Legend!
@04gto9123
@04gto9123 3 жыл бұрын
This is my dream 911. I'd love to able to just drive one some day.
@jabr3088
@jabr3088 3 жыл бұрын
I knew of a guy who got one of these for his 18th birthday back in like 2011. God damn, I've been jealous since 😅
@dongonzulman6478
@dongonzulman6478 3 жыл бұрын
Daaaaaamn good watch!
@kassenz
@kassenz 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, your ads are so good, you will be a Bugatti owner soon
@yenny527
@yenny527 3 жыл бұрын
Scary track with no runoff
@anthonygonzalez9422
@anthonygonzalez9422 3 жыл бұрын
5:56 Who else waits for this hill every lap of every video?
@connormcgovern2264
@connormcgovern2264 3 жыл бұрын
Will the final video be you ranking the five from best to worst? In the market for a Porsche GT and very interested in your takes
@blackthunder7342
@blackthunder7342 3 жыл бұрын
The king of kings
@takeomack2782
@takeomack2782 3 жыл бұрын
Do you switch shirts for the outside pictures?
@transferz
@transferz 3 жыл бұрын
Wow looks so damn fun.!!
@thomasmiller2395
@thomasmiller2395 3 жыл бұрын
Like the Clarkson throwback reference, "as close as makes no difference". Brings back old Top Gear memories lol.
@edkramer5592
@edkramer5592 3 жыл бұрын
that was why the bee bee see dropped it. Ageism
@deathcab4booty
@deathcab4booty 3 жыл бұрын
you didn't do the habbibi "good price my friend" in the ad and now I won't be buying a beardscape
@ImBarryScottCSS
@ImBarryScottCSS 3 жыл бұрын
What about my special price?
@gravityhammer25
@gravityhammer25 3 жыл бұрын
Great car! but I would be nervous af running on that track, you have no space and if you go off it's right into a wall.
@zpeed7
@zpeed7 3 жыл бұрын
Sick
@Jakobly
@Jakobly 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the 997.1 turbo had variable turbos
@Trendyflute
@Trendyflute 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, VTG debuted on the 997.1 Turbo.
@phemmeke
@phemmeke 3 жыл бұрын
@@Trendyflute It's an RS
@thomassorenson6371
@thomassorenson6371 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@Trendyflute
@Trendyflute 3 жыл бұрын
997.2 just feels like the peak of ICE enthusiast motoring.
@nikomoin7604
@nikomoin7604 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is the best modern 911
@eSysmanSuperYachts
@eSysmanSuperYachts 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t the one you drove by Sharkworks a non RS GT2? Unless you’re talking about a different car.
@SaintMecha
@SaintMecha 3 жыл бұрын
This crazy thing got released after the Carrera GT and before the 918 right?
@vwporschefreak97
@vwporschefreak97 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@ICnBN
@ICnBN 3 жыл бұрын
This has been flying under the radar of mainstream automotive media, where as this was the true supercar of it's time . Nothing from any other manufacturer came close.
@artmchugh5644
@artmchugh5644 3 жыл бұрын
I was at the Porsche swap meet in Hershey. Pennsylvania a few years ago. In the car corral for cars for sale was a red gt2rs. Walked up and lots of folks were checking it out .I looked at everyone and asked if they would like to hear it run? When they said YES ! I said " well I have to find the owner !!!! I can't afford this thing!!!😄😄😄😄😄😄😎😎😎🍺🍺🍺🍺🇺🇸🇩🇪
@darkblueturbo
@darkblueturbo 3 жыл бұрын
Fabulous
@JoeEngineer
@JoeEngineer 3 жыл бұрын
For me the 997 is still the prettiest of the watercooled 911s.
@_Suzuka_Joe
@_Suzuka_Joe Жыл бұрын
the walls at this track would worry me lol
@TheTReed78
@TheTReed78 3 жыл бұрын
is that clicking the t/c kicking in?
@ppp123fg
@ppp123fg 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure 997.1 turbo may have been the first for variable vein turbos.
@colemank7753
@colemank7753 3 жыл бұрын
The widowmaker was so ahead of its time. 💪🏻
@MockingBrd.
@MockingBrd. 3 жыл бұрын
Widow maker how???
@colemank7753
@colemank7753 3 жыл бұрын
@@MockingBrd. 612 hp and over 500 lb ft of torque in 2010. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds with a manual. 205 mph top speed. This car is 10 years old and has better performance than most manufacturers can muster today. Love it or hate on it, it’s a beast.
@MockingBrd.
@MockingBrd. 3 жыл бұрын
@@colemank7753 That title goes to the Carrera gt. The gt2 rs is no where near to being a widow maker...You have several driver's assistants for the rs, none for the CGT.
@user-hc5si5tw5p
@user-hc5si5tw5p 3 жыл бұрын
@@MockingBrd. I agree with u but by today's standards this is a dangerous car, u don't get big power manual track focused rwd cars anymore. Last ones are the 911 gt3, which was heavy on electrics, corvette zr1 manual 750hp and viper acr track record holder. America stayed true to the manual performance cars truly and gave us the best last offerings. Also red bull v12 vantage but a very heavy car. Camaro zl1 1le did like a 7:15 on the ring and was sold in America for about 55k usd. Insane.
@a-manlordsoftime755
@a-manlordsoftime755 3 жыл бұрын
His glasses 🤣
@Akartavor
@Akartavor 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t afford one of those bad boys but I do have a Flat 6 Innovations 997.1 4.0 litre that is a beast so I can only imagine what those are like.
@biljancanin
@biljancanin Жыл бұрын
The 997.2 GT2 RS for me is the best looking 911 ever. Sure the newer are faster and all that, but this beast just looks priceless
@OfficialParkit
@OfficialParkit 3 жыл бұрын
I cant believe he made this video 2 months ago and not 7 years ago lol
@JackScooter17
@JackScooter17 3 жыл бұрын
how much does it weigh in normal measurements?
@conradhenninger2209
@conradhenninger2209 3 жыл бұрын
Mark Webber when he was at Red Bull had one. He showed up to work one day told his teammate Vettel that it will be the last analogue super car. He threw him the keys. Later that that day Vettel was at the dealership to get his hands one one.
@WorldwideDarts
@WorldwideDarts 3 жыл бұрын
Darts is on right now but I'll definitely be watching this later on today. Super excited about this one! 🔥
@svalenti94
@svalenti94 3 жыл бұрын
Yo the Brio is the shit
@johnbeesales1164
@johnbeesales1164 3 жыл бұрын
"It's...very, very sharp. I wouldn't recommend it for your balls..."
@JDSFLA
@JDSFLA 3 жыл бұрын
It is great that Porsche has an "Experience" track, but visually at least is not inspiring - more like an urban parking lot.
@TheSmokingTire
@TheSmokingTire 3 жыл бұрын
IMO it was a very strong move by Porsche to put PECLA where they did, if the alternative was a "prettier" location that you had to drive to the middle of nowhere to get to. The nearest "pretty" location to LA where you could actually build a race track must be 100 miles + outside of town.
@Juganator
@Juganator 3 жыл бұрын
There's one right in downtown Atlanta as well. Makes sense to have them in urban areas on both coasts. I can go after work and go right home. Convenient.
@daviddavis1322
@daviddavis1322 3 жыл бұрын
They have two tracks, Atlanta also
@TheSmokingTire
@TheSmokingTire 3 жыл бұрын
@@daviddavis1322 more than that - there are PEC's in Europe as well!
@chron151
@chron151 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheSmokingTire Honestly, if a person is determined to drive a Porsche in Europe then they should just plan on visiting Germany and either go to the Nurburgring or Hockenheimring. There are plenty of track car rental companies that have prepped cars for the Nordschleife. Ross Bentley has been organizing overseas tour\track days in recent years at the Nurburgring and Spa (obviously not this year due to COVID). Also, thanks for all the great content! :)
@chrise2329
@chrise2329 3 жыл бұрын
I love these, such a badass car. If the RS 4.0 is a scalpel, this is the sledgehammer!
@Turbo_S_Em_funf
@Turbo_S_Em_funf 3 жыл бұрын
I bet Matt wouldn't have maintained that the GT2 RS is "forgiving" had he turned off the traction control.
@LipePaiga
@LipePaiga 3 жыл бұрын
Widow maker!
@BrendanEvan
@BrendanEvan 3 жыл бұрын
Those concrete barriers would make me drive noticeably slower
@petescarp4275
@petescarp4275 3 жыл бұрын
Dude I hope your bracelet didn't scratch the gt2 😂
@dss3113
@dss3113 2 жыл бұрын
The 992 Heritage Edition says hi
@emixmim
@emixmim 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the Mezger engine was used up until the 997.1, the .2 got the new engine.
@gjonno
@gjonno 3 жыл бұрын
Nah. 997.2 was still a metzger. It was ditched in 991 gen. but what a great car this is....
@kanervatie
@kanervatie 3 жыл бұрын
When are you driving the 991 GT2RS?
@oregonhighway
@oregonhighway 3 жыл бұрын
Rio beard shaver.....don't use it for your balls. Hilarious episode and we aren't even into the car segment
@CineGui
@CineGui 3 жыл бұрын
i like em porsches
@jlopez1017d
@jlopez1017d 3 жыл бұрын
You see that stained suede on the gearbox? That’s the mark of a car that has some miles under it
@fmc7209
@fmc7209 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible the widow-maker fame this car got was due to the tire tech of the time?? Assuming this one you tested was on new rubber
@meekrab9027
@meekrab9027 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine it's just leftover reputation from the 930 and 993 era, and from people who don't drive 911s getting in one and not knowing how to drive them.
@olasek7972
@olasek7972 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing, this car looks absolutely identical to the GT2RS that just weeks ago was put up for online sale at pcarmarket.com. The seller did not accept the highest offer of $389k, he wanted $459k.
@aster5031
@aster5031 3 жыл бұрын
5/5
@markjurczyk
@markjurczyk 3 жыл бұрын
You should be rocking Jenny Craig
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