Straight-up!👍🏿

The episode with Shoshanna in Japan is seriously such a great tv episode, I can't stop thinking about it. She was truly the best of them and was terribly neglected as a character, especially in the last season. Such a shame

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Hannah S I still remember that one, too- I watched the show only once, when it was released

I was so mad we didn’t see more of her, especially in the last season. She grew so much, and is a freaking badass by the series end

thanks.

now with this in mind, maybe it's worth a rewatch and rethink ☝🏽

@andrewthezeppo What makes you think Shoshanna has severe anxiety issues?

she's always panicking @@assanin2953

@@assanin2953 her whole character the first few seasons is just about her always wanting to keep up appearances and fitting in and following trends. She always seems nervous and agitated. They did give her growth and when she goes to Japan she does seem to have made a lot of progress. But at the root of it she pretty clearly has anxiety issues.

Exactly this, I think Marnie's story especially exemplified this, this is what made the show so compelling

That is exactly a lot of what the show tackled, over and over again but no one ever talks about it!

I think this as a premis was good. The problem is that the execution is quite empty and the characters feel quite empty too.

T Turing well being an woman in my 20s in the 2010s left me feeling pretty fucking empty most of the time.

@@ginao6810 That is a good point. For me the issue is that she show doesn't really give me insight into anything. What did you think of the show? Did you get anything from watching it? (I am genuinly asking and curious)

Intensive Purposes yep! where many residents try to tell you how interesting they think they are and how they're thoroughly misunderstood

i honestly always thought it was supposed to be satirical, rather than a genuine attempt to be accurate. in that way, i found this show endlessly funny and understood why people liked it so much. that being said, i do understand the criticism of the show.

@@k_a_y_l_e_e it Was, but people are too damn stupid to see that

It just blows my mind that Hannah was able to afford to live in Greenpoint.

@Intensive Purposes "water bugs"

Veep was a comedy starring an unlikeable woman surrounded by (largely) unlikeable people, but it worked because of the witty dialogue and because the characters would find themselves in ridiculous situations by their own hand, t he tone of the show lent itself to the farce, and it was interesting seeing how characters responded to situations. Girls took itself very seriously and the situations facing the characters never came across as all that comical, and there just never seemed to be any stakes for the characters. But I think the show's biggest problem is that it was never quite clear whether it was satirising the characters or if it was on their side.

Dream Dream Serene we should have unlikable women depicted in media. But this was just trash writing that strayed too much from it’s goals. The men were better written

People love Bojack and he was pretty horrible.

Crystal Wolcott reread the original comment. Male characters have always been allowed to be unlikeable.

Preach!

Yes! Exactly! I stopped watching because of them constantly sabotaging each other. It was the most toxic friendship i had ever seen

lmao

Absolute realism. Friendships in the big city for sure.

The characters don't truly care about each other in most other shows either. The main characters are toxic to each other on Friends, The Big Bang Theory, Seinfeld, How I met Your Mother, and so many other shows I haven't seen. Most TV/movie romances are pretty toxic too.

You'd be surprised how many friend groups are actually like that, sadly.

Because, smartass, fiction is not reality. Nor is it meant to be reality. No one sits to listen to a fucking story so it can have no satisfying ending -_-

Bojach had an ending like this, it tied some of the issues characters had, but made it clear that theyre gonna have to work on themselves. They really made it sure youll get that these characters wont have a happy ending, since there is always tomorrow after the end.

Raul , I think she meant that shiny perfect bow endings can influence real life perceptions that we’re supposed to have everything figured out at one point in our lives. There is plenty of fiction that is missing a happy outcome

@@paloma4444 lol, how was I being a smartass? Some people enjoy movies or TV shows with open ended endings and I'm one of those people. I have nothing against people that prefer resolution.

I feel the same way, i love things with open endings because it not only is more interesting and down to earth this way but also doesn't give, what i think is, a toxic impression of how life is meant to be. The only ending in life is death, and expecting a happy ending like in a movie out of life has affected me personally in negative ways without me even realizing. So it's very refreshing when a show doesn't tie up everything neatly.

I'd say that was even the best part of the show, the way they portrayed women as normal people with mixed feelings about alot of things, sometimes even not being on the right side if things but working your way to getting to right place, friendships drifting away, cutting off toxic people, the resentments that creep up as we age... It was dope, obviously it has its many shortcomings but she really did something here

preach girl

I loved liking and then disliking all of them. It was like with your real, long-term friends. Sometimes they annoy you, sometimes they charm you.

Does anyone think the show should be called "Seinfeld for Girls"? I thought the show was like a spiritual successor to Seinfeld because it seems like the Seinfeld characters were also intentionally made to be unlikeable so you can laugh when bad things happen to them.

Sorry, I have to disagree. The problem wasn't that they were unlikeable. As other people have pointed out, Julia Louise-Dreyfus's character on VEEP is unlikeable, Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character is unlikeable in Fleabag, Edie Falco in Nurse Jackie. Hell, even Sansa Stark on Game of Thrones. But those were all much more interesting characters than any of the titular "Girls." I'm not saying the show didn't have its moments, but having these women be unlikeable isn't enough to rest on for several seasons. There was something about those other characters that made us root for them anyway. With Girls, they were often whining and complaining about things that were just not that big a deal or that everyone in the world deals with. There were occasionally bit characters who would point that out, but they never had any effect on the main characters. They would hear it and dismiss it immediately. I watched every season and there were compelling moments and a good overall cast, but ultimately, with the characters having very little character growth at all, I felt like I'd wasted my time.

I can ride with this. I wrote some garbled up mess down thread, but I think your statement captures the feelings brilliantly. Perhaps no matter how out of touch and priviledge the show was, one could still relate to the characters on some level. There is a shared mourning as Millenials.

I thought that show seemed to like deconstructing a lot of other TV formulas and TV show morals of its time. The characters often try to "follow their dreams" or to live in New York, but they slowly learn the hard way that their life is not like most other TV shows from the 2000s or 2010s.

I loved it up until season 3...afterwards they kind of lost their way

Exactly. When the show premiered I was roughly the same age as Hannah and Marnie,and I could relate a lot.

Yup it absolutely captivated me when I first discovered it years back. It was very unique for the time.

She was a dumb as season one episode one

Don Draper and Walter White are both the best there is at one thing each. Chemistry and sales. The Girls characters are just average shitty girls

Are they? I've seen them praised as being deep, complex characters but not for being good people. But I guess there are parts of the internet that thinks of the joker as a role model, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

@@misters1r900 I think it's the justification for selfish or immature male characters. They are so good in what they are doing. For Walter White it's ok to scream at his wife and kill countless of people that where more or less innocent but due to his "Genius" it's ok. Same with Don Draper, he abandons his children, fucks around half of New York has multiple breakdowns because he stole an identity, but as he is good in his job and charming it does not matter. It's a trope that is just to common for the real World, as many guys take the approach of "I can be shitty if I am good at my job", while maybe beeing slightly above mediocre and standing themselves in the way by beeing a dick to everyone that could help them become better. You are not Dr. HOUSE if you are a dick to your coworkers nobody wants to work with you, and you are easier to fire and a hard nö in a future hiring process.

FirstFallSnow I should have specified Draper and White are worshipped as “anti-heroes”; that was the buzz word at the time, right? The point being they are worshipped as complex characters with strengths and faults. They are worshipped in spite of being bad people. The way people hated Skylar White kinda feeds into this. She wanted Walt to stop making meth, she wanted to protect her children, she tried to hold Walt accountable for his shit. And the public hated her to the point that Anna Gunn received death threats. While Walt, and Bryan Cranston, was lauded like a bloody rock star. Walter White killed people and mass produced drug that ruins lives = anti hero of our times. Marnie Michaels was judgemental of her friends and wanted to be a singer = worst person on television*. I’m not saying the show is without its faults, but there is some deeply misogynistic shit that weaves it’s way through the discourse. *There was some article written years ago criticising Girls that had a whole section about why Marnie was the worst human on tv, represented the most appalling characteristics of our times. Something to that hyperbolic affect - it was 6 years ago, idk.

Don Draper and Walter White had a character arc. They had to confront their flaws as they progressed and found a resolution for them. Girls characters had no character arc

Even at a community colleges you need to have at least a masters to teach.

@@azhrayharris8 Yeah, when I went to community college, most of my professors had a Masters.

I think even a lot of people with a masters or PhD are lucky to be a part time adjunct professor at a community college.

But don't she go to Iowa to get her master degree ? CMIIW 🤚

@@nategrahamjr3692 She went to Iowa but she did really poorly, got in arguments with the other students, and dropped out quickly without getting any degrees.

It wasn't because Lena Dunham was playing herself and there were plenty of moments of the characters feeling sorry for themselves in a non mocking way. An actual satire might have been a good show.

It does, but the show pulls its punches by presenting serious character flaws as minor issues.

@@fehzorz i mean i think she knows these things about herself. if i were to write an autobiografical sitcom i too would play up my worst qualities for comedic, or cringy effect. not saying the show was better than average, but ngl i had fun watching it

It absolutely is and i was always so confused about how much people hated it.

@@Retrostar619 absolutely.

Maybe it should have been called Narc Girls then. I came in watching it with the full expectation it's about friends in the city who struggle but get through it and not girls who sabotage one another through toxic friendships.

There are a lot of other shows that are about self absorbed narcissistic white people. That seems to describe most shows.

I completely agree with this!

hahahaha I don't like this show, but this is a great point. I get annoyed when people are like "I hate this character" and it's like yeah you're supposed to hate them

Exactly. I also don’t understand why everyone always has to point out that white people and white characters are white. There are plenty of white people who have absolutely horrific shitty ass lives even compared to some black people. These characters ARE self absorbed and narcissistic but they aren’t self absorbed and narcissistic because they are WHITE. I’ve met plenty of self absorbed and narcissistic people of all races and sometimes they justify it by stating that at least they aren’t white! It’s fucking ridiculous.

I HATE people that HATE other people. I get a lot of HATE comments on my amazing videos and I HATE it. Please don't spread HATE. Do I have to HATE you too, dear rp

So true

AxxL are you okay? Do you need us to call someone for you?

he is THE best

That and also the song that played at the end of the last episode of the second season was really good.

Ray was the best! I’m currently rewatching Girls (first time was as a teenager), and Ray is definitely my favourite character now. But at the same time, I think Characters are allowed to be problematic and unlovable, a show of only Rays would be boring. I feel like people are way less tolerant when it comes to female characters.

@@perseagratissima Totally agree. Ray is to Girls as Jim to The Office.

J H How is he a creep? I’m done rewatching season 1-3, so now I’m scared what’s about to come. But I totally agree that people tolerate way more when it comes to male characters!

@J H Take what I said with a grain of salt because it's been so long since I watched. I don't remember Ray being a creep but people definitely tolerate a lot more from.male characters for sure.

I feel like that whole "shitty male characters are somehow more tolerable than shitty female charcters" is rooted in subconscious sexism. We have been bombarded with male characters of many many different types and have been conditioned to believe that men can be as horrible as possible but that somehow makes them more "raw, mysterious, adventurous, and a tortured soul" we're conditioned to take men as they are, while women are made to feel like perfect pieces of scotch tape to fix men and their problems, and be everyones emotion punching bag. Ok rant over lol

They are like the Seinfeld characters that way. I thought that by making the characters intentionally unlikeable, you, the audience, can feel superior to them and laugh when bad things happen to them.

@@josefk7437 yes! it worked like a mirror the way comedy should work.

Yeah but that’s tired. Not productive to intersectionality how many “Seinfeld’s” do we need?

Yup!

Lucky you girl. Alot of us dont

But they exist. Even if we don't like them, even if we cut those people off of our lives, they exist. I've also written myself out from those circles, but I know they exist and as damaging as they are, some people stay in said friendships. One of my very dear friends has had a circle of friends like that for a little over a decade (I'm obviously an outsider to their circle bc I refuse to engage in toxic behaviours), and I keep telling her that that's not a real friendship, but to her and them, it is. It's how they work and its fine. and I understand that, that that's their friendship, as twisted as it is.

More an accurate depiction than a ‘good’ depiction, because it is pretty realistic to what a lot of female friendships that come and go are like, whether it’s relatable to you or not. And that depiction might be important to people who aren’t you.

It just seemed very middle or high school to me, these are grown women in their mid to late 20s, I could never understand why they're putting up with this shit

@@hambone.fakenamington my opinion is based on my experience, like everyone I imagine. I didn't say the show shouldn't exist, if people enjoy it good for them. I guess having them realize at the end that they're not really friends is a good thing

Saame!

I can relate to them and I'm a xer. I know people like them. Most people contradictory weirdos stumbling through life. We just try to hide it, but most people are self absorbed.

@@doesitmatterwhoiam8838 Absolutely, I sometimes feel like people hate them cause they subconciously know they are or were like this at some point of their life. But everyone wants to believe we're these virtuous deep beings that are above it.

@@doesitmatterwhoiam8838 Amen to that.

Most characters were one dimensional except Hannah. Maybe it's a relatability thing, more relatable for white people.

This is so stupid

Umm... People thinking an actor is the character is BAD acting. It means you aren't acting, your just being yourself, which in her case, is the worst.

Agreed. It’s actually really bothersome to me that Lena’s character was using a baby as an excuse or reason to finally grow up. That’s gross: one should be mature and grown up enough before bringing a life into the world. I’m glad they did an episode showing how terrible of a decision it turned out to be and how having a baby as a single woman is not a magical fairytale ending. Maybe that will encourage young women not to rush into parenthood before they’re ready.

I hate that. Or when a female character on a series is clearly not interested in having children the entire run of a show and then in end the writers have her ~finally~ decide she wants children to show her "growth". Not everyone wants children. Its not a character defect. Its not a sign of selfishness or immaturity that must be overcome. Its a valid life choice.

@@CC-rv4zc AMEN, WOW

Lena didn’t write the show, she created it and was the show runner. It showed in the series inconsistent narratives.

Vanshika Agarwal people also had a problem with the show not having the same multi dimensional structure for women of color characters they were all in one note caricature stereotypes as if women of color can’t be complex and compelling

@@Kevin-rg3yc I understand and respect your point. If you read my comment, you'll see that I do state that some of the backlash is justified and even Dunham herself admitted that show is in many respects a product of privilege and disregards many aspects. But I have a few questions- is representation purely in the form of tokenism okay, aren't emotions universally experienced in a similar manner and should be judged on an intrinsic level as opposed to superficial one, is it necessary for every creative work to challenge all world notions and not the few that the creators prioritize based on their lived experiences? Again, I am not an advocate for artists not being made accountable for content that they put out but sometimes multiplicity of discourses takes prominence away from real issues.

​@@celondelon Agree -- however IMO the best episodes WERE written by her (Lena) and directed by Richard Shepard, Jenni Konner's husband. Those episodes felt like brilliant short stories to me. I wish the same effort was put into EVERY episode. The other episodes felt so disjointed, I personally never really felt like I got to know Shoshanna or Jessa etc., I got to know them as caricatures... I never felt personally invested. That's because they would MAYBE get one episode a season focused on their lives, but never in the same way that Hannah's character got an episode focused on her.

Vanshika Agarwal i think no one asked for tokenism they just asked to not present yourself like you’re a voice of a generation but only focusing on one demographic, can’t champion yourself as for all women but focus on the ones from a historical perspective are always represented. They asked that if you are gonna showcase diverse personalities don’t use the same one dimensional stereotypes and pushing them to the side, in fact that itself is basically what tokenism is and that’s exactly what lena did

Ah, I relate. Although I could never find a taste for Rebecca (in Season 4 I was rooting for her to get better though!), I did absolutely LOVE Nathaniel. Despicable guy, where even the characters said “Why should we root for someone who is male, straight and white?” but he evolves. Improvement is always an option, however I dislike shows that intentionally keep characters the same. I need growth!

Don’t you mean white females? Bcus women of color were never looked to to “model good behavior” we were always portrayed in a negative light

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i mean It’s Always Sunny is about narcissistic people who never change and theres only one character development moment in the 14+ seasons its been running. a show doesnt have to have character development

Gina Coni this might seem like a stupid question but-how funny was “Girls”? Irredeemable assholes who never learn their lesson works for IASIP and Seinfeld because they’re funny to watch. 🤔

completely agree. The dialogue is what makes the show, there's always something subtle and hilarious in the script

And the back-handed replies were hilarious... Girls is what happens to all of us and if society hates ot so much it just goes to show the lengths we really hate ourselves for being human .

So was Adolf hitler. What’s your point?

@@embeetoast2211 read again, you'll get the point.

@@embeetoast2211 The point is that she's a good writer, even those don't like her as a person (like myself) can acknowledge that she writes pretty well. I thought that was obvious.

Simone Chèrie House got shit done.

That last sentence ... wow so on point!

They were indeed incredibly self centered, I don’t know if I would have survived those friendships without medication

Simone Chèrie thank you. I am so with you on this. However I think this show lacked relatability. That’s why this show also felt out of touch. I could not relate to Lena character nor found her sexual escapades believe.

Simone Chèrie thank you. I am so with you on this. However I think this show lacked relatability. That’s why this show also felt out of touch. I could not relate to Lena character nor found her sexual escapades believe.

I remember the show as being really good at first. By the third season I was out and not paying attention any more until this video popped up for me. Not only was there no character arc or payoff, but a lot of things that made the show funny either got old, or were replaced with really weird and bizarre storylines and incidents that made the show kind of repulsive. Not bizarre in a way that challenges you to rethink things, but just alienating.

Agreed ! One thing that bugged me was the introduction of interesting characters who would disappear after one or two episodes like Mimi. Whereas the most annoying would stick around ( Desi, Adam’s sister, Fran who was just awful all along). It was just set-up and set-up and no payoff. Not that character development is always needed but it just felt like a lot of episodes would introduce something seemingly important just to never adress it a gain.

Right? It's like you start watching a crime series and get upset there were murders in it.

I completely agree with this! When I first watched Sex and the City in my early 20’s I could only dream of having a life like Carrie Bradshaw’s and I thought her relationship with Mr.Big was passionate and riveting when in reality it’s extremely toxic. I thought that Carrie Bradshaw was a multidimensional, talented, strong woman ( despite her flaws) with loving friendships. Watching it now, it’s like I’m seeing it through a completely different lens. Carrie Bradshaw is one of the most annoying, self centered, needy, codependent, narcissistic woman depicted on television that takes everything and everyone in her life for granted. Like you said, at least Hannah was in her early 20’s and her selfishness was much more age appropriate. I didn’t even think Hannah was as narcissistic and bad of a person as everyone made her out to be. Yes, she made some terrible choices and did some cringe worthy things but haven’t we all in our 20’s?

Agreed man

Same

Same here I rewatch it all the time.

Ray was SO funny

Yesssss that would be a great 👍🏾 take. The Trope of bad finale endings.

A video on endings in general, how they can be justly hated (How I Met Your Mother), debatably misunderstood (Seinfeld, Quantum Leap) or beloved (Cheers, Mary Tyler Moore Show, Newhart). All 3 tropes.

Ok but didnt they literally grow up in a recession what are you on about

@@cameroncorp Unless you think a college student is a child, they didn't grow up during the recession. The recession impacted their lifestyle but not their worldview. Don't be dense, please.

@@QuietlyCurious no a collage student is around 20 right? Follow so far? So they would have been 7 when the great recession began. Now I don't know about you but I don't think you have stopped growing up by the age of 7. If your talking about collage students at the time the show began, they would have been in their early teens, so unless your talking about the "entitled too big too fail narcissistic assumptions" of literal children who would be too young to be thinking about their economic futures, then yeah the great recession would have definitely affected their expectations.

Also acting like that generation needed to struggle to find economic stability during a recession caused by generations before them to give them "humble pie" for expecting to be successful as a literal child with no actual idea about their economic future, while ignoring the varying economic backgrounds that will have affected people's expectations, is just weird and dumb. Just cause something sounds profound doesn't stop it from being bullshit, just stop Lol

@@cameroncorp You're weird and dumb. You didn't understand my original comment, and you didn't watch the show. Or if you did, you didn't watch closely. And of course each character has a unique individual econ background. My comment didn't negate that, sheesh.

Daaang, y'all are working with Netflix now? Good on you!! Makin moves, baby, makin moves!! :D

Please

I would love a deeper insight into why Joan and Toni stayed friends for as long as they did. I have my own opinions but I like the way The Take delves into things

I’ve been binge watching this show since it came on Netflix! As a gen Z kid, it’s eye opening to see the depictions of black women that my mother consumed as a young adult, and how it manifests even now in her identities and parenting. I would love for the take to analyze it!!

Elizabeth N Joan was a light skinned and mixed woman who wasn’t the pretty one, as she would have expected. Toni was the dark skinned woman who was the pretty one and understood that she’d have to be feminine to get the same amount of respect and desire from men that the typical mixed woman would. However, Joan was successful in her career and had a house so she had that going for her. This allowed her to swallow the jealously she had for Toni and maintain the friendship. So it makes sense that the friendship ends when Joan finically gets to be the “it girl.” She finally gets the be the main girl and rubs it in her friends’ faces. The rest forgive her but Toni moved on finally able to be her own woman.

Gross Yes! Joan wasn’t mixed though 🙏🏾

at least people would have gotten the point lol

I'm in Russia, not entitled, just have university degree (in Russia the most of ppl have it), live in a big city, and I see much resemblance to life depicted in the show. I had this sense of recognition and my friends had even though we are from another culture, so I think the show is genius.

I hated both shows.

girl the sex and the city characters actually cared about each other, the only self centered person was carrie

Oh no way. In Sex and the City the women voiced what they wanted from the beginning. In Girls these girls played their partners, their friends and themselves. They had toxic self destructive behavior. I am a millennial myself but Girls showed me exactly how NOT to be.

"S&tC" is to the "Girls" what "Friends" is to "It's Always Sunny"

What’s wrong with putting yourself first

The only good episode after season 1 was the season 5 episode which centred around Marnie and I don't think that's a coincidence.

I think that about a lot of shows. Like the writer thinks they're so smart but really they're just meh. I bet it's hard to write a character you play as a 3 dimensional person.

That is the point. They were supposed to be tone deaf and narcissistic characters.

Yessss

And not even black since the father is played by Riz Ahmed, who is a Pakistani man from England.

That baby was darker than both of them Lmao I was like come on think for a second

It means she listened and learned.

@@cv8499 Are you joking? I've never watched Girls, but assumed that the father was the Donald Glover character. That's really insulting.

@@toomuchinformation Nope, not joking. There's a whole episode of her meeting Riz and sleeping with him, then finding out shortly after that she's pregnant.

Same here

It's more so for the fact that Lena Dunham is incredibly problematic and the show is a reflection of her mindset since she is the author.

I think many people dislike it because it's impossible to tell how self-aware the creators are when it comes to writing the characters. For me, there was always a little bubble of unease I used to sit in whenever I watched Girls - does Dunham realise just how morally screwed up their behaviour is? I kinda get the sense that she sometimes thinks horrific behaviour is actually quirky and/or endearing, and the show sometimes reflects that. I still enjoyed watching a few seasons and the writing is generally quite fresh and inventive, but the underlying feeling of queasiness never left me. I don't need all my shows to be feel-good, but I do need them to show me some moral consistency over time.

same! I never watched the show, so maybe it's unfair, but coming from a developing country as well, I'm nothing but grateful for having had the chance of studying a career and being independent, I don't get why the more privileged people get, the more unhappy (specially Americans)

I felt the same! I'm Brazilian and coudn't avoid rolling my eyes even watching this video 🤣 And the 'omg she is a mother now, she's growing'... 🤢 Such a cliché for female characters development!!

@@lovechildmag This is definitely oversimplified but I think this has to do something with Maslow's hierarchy, when you don't have to worry about food or having a roof over your head, live in a place that's safe for everyone and mostly not corrupt, then you focus on other needs of human being that are more messy such as having a "purpose" in life, "self-fulfillment", living your "dreams", having "no regrets" etc. Obscure concepts that rule the western world and that many companies take advantage of and push/market to us to make billions of dollars out of our suffering lol... At least that's my theory. The West is also an individual society and not a collective society.

@@michz9304 that's such a good analysis... I'm kinda guilty of it myself to be fair, but thank you for giving me some hindsight. It makes total sense

Mich Z Good analysis! But regardless of them reaching the pinnacle of Maslow’s hierarchy, one thing I’ve haven’t seen them practice is gratefulness. Religion (Christian, Buddhist, etc.) encourages that. Oprah built an empire on peddling gratitude journals. These characters just whine and take and whine some more. And it seems this video essay like many others who in their own way celebrate Girls tolerate this petulant and entitled behavior. I know this series is not a full representation of American women in their twenties but wow, it really changed my impression of them for the worst if such “Girls” really do exist.

The point is, we usually get Manhattan, or worse, Upper East Side, and label it as the whole NYC. But NYC is also Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx and Staten Island. But the media makes us believe that the extremely white and wealthy Manhattan is all NYC is about.

@ So true. I mean, there are SO many immigrant communities, so many cultures and kinds of foods combing in one massive city. One would think showing all the sides of New York would actually make for a more interesting setting, and even better story opportunities, since you can show different peoples and how they live. But nope

Matheus G. S. This is similar to the tv show cold case. I rewatched it from beginning to end and noticed that the show was overwhelmingly white, despite Philadelphia having the largest black community in the largest cities. I also noticed that they tended to focus on certain areas of the city on the show (Chestnut Hill and Kensington) and the episodes featuring black characters usually focused on race or were in one neighborhood (Badlands). This representation is such an inaccurate view of the city and it’s really disheartening.

In my experience woke he city is diverse... people's relationships often aren't

are you kidding me ??? the last season was SO good

I also did not know is was so widely hated and misunderstood (just looking through this comment section 🙄). What other examples did you come across?

Fleabag is a masterpiece. Period.

They did it quite recently.

When a TV show has an all black cast, do SJWs like you ask where are the white people. My guess is no.

What the hell does cis even mean?

@@1bridge11 if they call it "the voice of a generation" you bet your salty little ass cheeks I do 😉

1bridge11 wow lol you’re still using SJW as an insult? What is this, 2015?

@@djervalevy9784 It means your gender identity matches what you were assigned at birth. If you identify as a man and were assigned as male at birth you would be a cis man.

Right. But it was a coming-of-age story where none of the characters ever actually come of age. That's where it fails.

@@cv8499 didn't they though? 😏

@@yveqeshy If you mean did they get physically older? Yep. Mentally or emotionally? Not so much. Shoshanna probably did have the biggest growth spurt as far as realizing that they should all move on and not be friends anymore--but even she says it's because their dynamic is dysfunctional and boring. 🤷🏽‍♀️

@@cv8499 I disagree, I think each one of them had their own individual growth Hannah having that tirade with the the pant less teenager in the street to me was her getting to a pint where she realised the role she now has to play both as a mum and a daughter, Shoshanna cutting them all off because they were toxic to her energy was her coming of age story, she needed to find people who did not hold her back, Jess confrontating herself and realizing she wasn't as great a friend to me was the personal growth in her story, for Marnie I felt like her story wasn't completely done, especially considering throughoit the show she wS the one who seemed to get the harshest realities about life dropped on

@@yveqeshy Right, but again, the "revelations" they all had in the last couple of episodes they'd all had before. Several times. When Hannah was teaching at the high school she came across students who she realized were being immature or acting entitled and had those kind of "grow up, kid" convos with them. But then she went right back to being immature and entitled herself. (She goes to get a tongue piercing with one of her students and tries to break up with a guy by jumping out of a car and hiding behind a tree.) It was a mature decision for her to realize her and Adam weren't going to work and she should raise her baby on her own. But then very next episode--WAH! She'd decides taking care of a baby is hard! Who knew? So she's just going to walk away from that responsibility and only go back after she realizes (for the millionth time) that she's being immature. Jess has realized several times that she's a crappy friend, sort of apologized, then went right back to being a crappy friend. At any point could we actually see her BE a better friend after one of these revelations? Nope. I had kind of thought after she helped deliver Adam's sister's baby or after she went to rehab, she was going to realize she actually liked helping people and that would be her character arc, but nope. Jess at the start of the show is more or less Jess at the end of show, except now she has a boyfriend that she sacrificed a friendship for. Shoshanna cutting off the friends was really necessary, but even that had the feel of her play acting at being a grown-up. She was always the one from the start of the show who was obsessed with what women her age are "supposed" to be doing. So her getting a new crowd of friends and getting engaged--to someone the show hadn't even shown her date--felt like more of the same. As for Marnie, same thing. There was a great episode when she spends the day with her ex-boyfriend Charlie and realizes how wrong for each other they are and that she should be alone for a while and figure out who she is on her own. She had also realized in earlier seasons with him that he didn't satisfy her sexually, partially because she didn't ask for what she wanted. Great! Then right after that, she meets that weird artist guy who treats her terribly, has terrible sex with her, and she completely gets off on it. She dates Ray for a minute, who was really sweet to her, but for her he was just someone to occupy her time and that quickly implodes. The harsh reality that her dream job isn't going to be served up to her on a platter gets served to her over and over and over again, and each time she's shocked. So her announcement that she might try law school is just another whatever moment. Judging by every previous story line, you get the feeling she'll go to law school and drop out after the first semester because she's not a lawyer yet.

What the hell does cis even mean?

Djerva Levy that you identify with the sexual organs you were born with, it’s an alternate to trans so nobody sounds like an asshole when differentiating between the two ends of that spectrum.

Djerva Levy there was a nicer way to ask that, if that was a genuine question

@@emndiaye9019 It was genuine, but the person who made the statement wasn't trying to be nice, soo...

@@djervalevy9784 are you talking about the poster? They just state that they were cis nothing mean. Also, just because you didn't think someone said it nice in their post you decided to respond to them with a question angrily??

I'm surprised it took me this much scrolling to find a comment about that! 😬

There is a whole show with him as a main character

Great post.

From wich season is that episode?

I hate watched the whole show. You didn't miss anything except Season 5 Episode 6 (the panic in central park).

oof

You watched a libfem show for the men in it. Love It lol

Same. As we got further into the show, it was the men and Shoshanna that I watched for

Clara Rogalinski exactly...I should have mentioned Ray too but I didn’t know the actors name. And I agree about Shoshanna.... she was hands down my favorite girl.

"the last episode felt like the first episode of the new season rather than the finale" i think that was the point.

@@k_a_y_l_e_e Yes they did end the show like that on purpose, it just fell flat for me personaly. I didn't really word my comment clearly :)