Technics Debuts NEW SL-1200GR2 Turntable | Michael Fremer Reports...

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9 ай бұрын

From Fremer: At a hotel adjacent to company headquarters, Bill Voss, Technics' American Business Development Manager, introduced the new $2199 "next gen" SL1200GR turntable featuring a revolutionary new Delta Sigma drive control technique said to produce smooth, accurate rotational stability and a new power supply similar to the one used in the top of the line SL-1000R, said to produce an exceptionally low noise floor. .
Based on the informal listening session featuring a complete Technics system it was clear that the new 'table is noticeably quiet and fitted with an Ortofon 2M Black, produced a smooth, pleasing, "musical" sound.
The system consisted of the SU-G700M2-S Digital Integrated Amplifier+ buiilt-in MM/MC phono preamp, SBG90M2 Floorstanding Loudspeakers. Despite no room treatment in the hotel room the sound was rich, warm, and pleasingly detailed reproducing a 1980 Technics-produced record featuring the LA4.
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@jimmyhatz 9 ай бұрын

Still own and use the OG SL-1200 MK2. It is indestructible and still sounds great. Was fortunate to purchase a Jelco tonearm before they discontinued manufacturing. Technics + Jelco + Nagaoka = 👌

@bstatmeister 5 ай бұрын

Which nagaoka?

@jimmyhatz 5 ай бұрын

@@bstatmeister Started on the MP-200, recently upgraded to the MP-500. Still waiting on a few more components before I install and align.

@bstatmeister 5 ай бұрын

@jimmyhatz awesome! Super curious of the difference between the 200 and 500. I know that the 500 has the micro line stylus, but wondering if it can still be as meaty and dynamic as the 200 while being even more resolving. Would love to hear what you think after you get it set up!

@bearded_wolverine3503 4 ай бұрын

Yup, my 35 year old mk2 looks and runs like new. To me no other 1200 series matches its quality

@AceTechHD 3 ай бұрын

I have a very early MK2 from August of 1979. Sounds incredible and works perfectly. The original MK2 tonearm is much better than people realize, provided the bearings are in good condition.

@analoguecity3454 9 ай бұрын

Like I said on "tracking angle" channel, I don't know what people have against S-shaped tonearms , there sexy and sound sweet!😊

@Aintry1 4 ай бұрын

Incidentally, the people obsessing about milling imperfections on the modern Technics decks should check out some of the demo videos of old 1200MkIIs sometime, you know, the turntables Technics made when I was in high school, when "everything was better and Technics exercised perfect quality control." 😆

@billthestinker 6 ай бұрын

Good upload

@johnyjoseparampi431 7 ай бұрын

Fantastic 👍👍👍

@iangillon6981 3 ай бұрын

I have Four .12,10`s. Mk 2`s. I love them. First two, iv had over 27 Years. :)

@JumbleTasteSpinning 6 ай бұрын

The MK1, MK2, MK4, MK6 & GR = hi-fi turntables. The MK3, MK5 & MK7 = dj featured turntables. Very simple.

@Josianne-Music 2 ай бұрын

Is GR2 Hi-fi turntable too?

@F82F8 Ай бұрын

How is that true with the MK5? It has the titanium tonearm that was a huge upgrade. What makes the MK6 more audiophile?

@rwlewko 4 ай бұрын

I'd love to see Technics add XLR connectors to the 1200gr! The other thing I would like to see is pricing without a tonearm. I heard a turntable with an originlive encounter tonearm and since then I want a turntable with that tonearm, not only because it sounds fantastic but also because it looks gorgeous.

@tonyhodgkinson4586 8 ай бұрын

You would really need to hear the new against the old GR to really hear a difference.

@idianmansjur2673 6 ай бұрын

Can we mount the DSAudio Optical cartridge in this model ?

@dscrimager 3 ай бұрын

Using something like a Denon 103 can be a struggle to get enough head shell mass (or effective tonearm mass I guess) for proper control of the low compliance cartridge. In my experience, I added head shell weight and the supplied extra counter weight to balance or the sound suffered. I bought the DL-103 not realizing how low compliance it is and it sounded awful (noticeably worse than a N97xE or a AT-VM95ML) until I educated myself and applied the tuning above (yes, with appropriate MC Pre). Thought it was the stylus differences but no, for me it was setup. Also, it's worth mentioning something most reviewers tend to miss - the supplied head shell has a set screw which allows for azimuth adjustment. Mine was noticeably off out of the box and the micro-line cartridge sounded very unbalanced until I dialed in the azimuth. I'm not at all a golden ear but I do actually hear the differences with proper set up given all the cartridge and geometry fussing about for setup. I've since bought a bunch of head shells to experiment and realized after the fact most of the cheap ones do not allow azimuth changes - I encourage buying ones which do allow for azimuth adjustment. Absolutely love the TT. Mine did not come with a 3mm spacer as mentioned by other reviewers, so again - the 103 needs one. The tonearm on the black model is silver not black as reported here - doesn't bother me - maybe just a variation on later shipping models since I bought mine roughly Feb 2024. Copied most of this from other videos since I see this info often missing.

@TheMrgonzalo05 9 ай бұрын

Does anyone know if a new GS is coming?

@Lee-yt1de 4 ай бұрын

Are they bringing out a g2? I wanna buy a turntable but dont wanna buy the g and find out the g2 is coming out

@paulrogers7067 3 ай бұрын

I would suggest an ear test. After that have a listen to the rega p8 . Not even close

@dazza912 5 ай бұрын

Can someone help me. Ive currently got 2 Project turntables. Both entry level i know but they do the job in my size of a house. Ive paired them Onkyo 9010a amp and a Marantz 5005 amp playing throuh Tannoy eclipse 3 florrstanders. Reason i got the extra projevt and amp is i bought a job lot and they were in there. Anyway. Im at the stage now to level up. Im willing to buy this turnatble but need recommendations for a better amp and maybe speakers. Ill sell the rest to put towards levelling up..Thanks all.

@borlibaer 5 ай бұрын

What I wished, but I did not expected was if DENON will enter the TT race. Well, they did. Will be a hard match against Technics. 😉

@benmiller388 9 ай бұрын

Knock knock knock/ Ring ring ring. See no ringing. True hifi.

@sydtech 2 ай бұрын

My big question: will Technics introduce a G2 model with the Delta Sigma motor improvements?

@austenseierstad-fk4et 13 күн бұрын

I’ve been interested in this exact idea. If a G2 came out it would likely have this delta sigma technology from the GR2 and therefore an external power supply would not be an upgrade. And maybe some other tweaks.

@jockmattock9239 9 ай бұрын

What's that song playing at the beginning?

@ChatGPT1111 8 ай бұрын

Freebird

@musamusashi 9 ай бұрын

So after decades of mocking it as the DJ turntable, now is cool for audiophile to own one? 😂

@54tristin 9 ай бұрын

Yep

@F1fletch 9 ай бұрын

I sure wish they made a version of this exact table without the dj furniture. The lower end 1500C is NOT this same table. I really hope Technics creates something for the audiophiles who have no use for DJ options (and without spending 20k). We should have an option at $2500 that gives us the premium parts without the lights/action/furniture…..just saying. PLEASE TECHNICS ❤

@djsubculture2786 8 ай бұрын

The SL series (except the MK7) were all Hi-fi decks.

@cjay2 7 ай бұрын

Who was mocking it, you?

@TemujinScott80 6 ай бұрын

@@cengebyou sound angry… all this over audio equipment…

@jm_1214 9 ай бұрын

How about the plastic gimble

@r423sdex 5 ай бұрын

It's very good. They tested it, and it is a very big improvement.

@wolfman007zz 9 ай бұрын

LOL!! My 1977 Hitachi Unitorque is a coreless, cogless, brushless, slotless DD!! Only took Technics another 60 YEARS to build one!!! 😂😂

@analoguecity3454 9 ай бұрын

Better late than never I guess 😅

@wolfman007zz 9 ай бұрын

@@analoguecity3454 Not exactly leading edge technology! Hell, I have a digital power supply for my cell phone and bug zapper!!😂🤣😅

@TemujinScott80 6 ай бұрын

Folks who own older turntables sometimes sound so angry in the comments.

@wolfman007zz 6 ай бұрын

@@TemujinScott80 You mistake righteous scoffing for anger. Technics selling old tech as “new and improved”, when they are actually taking 45 years to catch up!

@Trojan0304 3 ай бұрын

Must have automatic so my 1600mk2 stays

@SurnaturalM 2 ай бұрын

Audiophiles laughed at that table for years because "it's only a dj table " but now it's ok to for them to have one, probably because they sell for multiple thousands $. That's why I stay away from the audiophile ecosystem.

@iiiiii1449 6 ай бұрын

Why are you raising the price $400 USD for tiny inaudible changes. It's truly obnoxious. You could buy a whole second turntable that would sound about 90% as good as the SL1210GR2 for the difference alone.

@r423sdex 5 ай бұрын

Buy the one you want.

@SurnaturalM 2 ай бұрын

The cartridge is the most important part. I have a older SL-1200 MK2 and à SL-D2 for my bedroom, both sound the same with the same cartridge. But the SL-D2 is way cheaper being a plastic, but direct drive turntable.

@DenzoMusic 9 ай бұрын

" not a dj turntable "

@meganoid_9001 9 ай бұрын

Time?

@DenzoMusic 9 ай бұрын

@@meganoid_9001Michael Fremer quote

@meganoid_9001 9 ай бұрын

@@DenzoMusic Well, he cannot make a serious statement on something he does not know. He's not a DJ. I'd like to listen to a true DJ saying something about GR2. From YT DJ reviewers we know that GR is not suitable to DJiing becuase: 1) Feet are too soft (what hinders scratching), 2) Pitch's granularity is to rough (what prevents from long beat matching) - some say it's a questions of torque, whereas I think it's just speed inconsistency, say a higher WOW&Flutter than the stated 0.025% WRMS (JIS).

@DenzoMusic 9 ай бұрын

@@meganoid_9001 the quote was from a reply he did to one of my comments on the GR when it first came out, During the whole backlash when Technics sales team were saying they "no longer making dj turn table". I have a pair of 1200 M3Ds and a GR and I can tell you that you can mix/DJ on it.

@meganoid_9001 9 ай бұрын

@@DenzoMusic good to know, thanks. May I kindly ask you to measure WOW & Flutter of your GR, say using the Turntable Speed app (for Android and iOS). It would be interesting to compare with the figures I obtain on my MK2 and MK5. Thx

@Stelios.Posantzis 9 ай бұрын

Nice but where's the rant about Technics being such complete idiots for discontinuing the SL-1200mkII in the first place (let alone ever discontinuing the SP-10), especially at a time when manufacturers breaking the 100 grand barrier started to pop up everywhere?

@roymoxley2587 9 ай бұрын

They make the mk7 They discontinued due to poor sales thanks to free digital download remember Napster So then it became relevant that people started understanding they don’t own the pure records so many started buying records again and then everyone wanted to play again

@Stelios.Posantzis 9 ай бұрын

@@roymoxley2587 They discontinued it well after Napster was at its peak but there was still a lot online illegal music sharing at the time. The CD was reigning supreme and CD writers for PCs were abundant - which killed the tape decks. Back then SL1200mkIIs were selling for 350 GBP - I don't know whether this was because Richer Sounds in UK had bought a large portion of the remaining stock or just made a huge order but people rushed to grab them and they soon vanished. In my estimation, that was a really good price and given the demand it could have supported production, even if at a slight loss, for a good 10 years' more or so given that the SL1200 was practically selling itself.

@DuzBee 6 ай бұрын

Made is Malaysia - Yer, Nah, Yer…….. nah thanks.

@r423sdex 5 ай бұрын

What's wrong with Malaysia ? Lovely people, and hard working.

@Kwippy 9 ай бұрын

I see they still haven't managed to improve speed control and stability, which is why the strobe is still needed.

@r423sdex 5 ай бұрын

Nonsense.

@deadandburied7626 3 ай бұрын

Maybe the GR3...

@thomaslytle5519 Ай бұрын

Yeah they did! Even Chewbacca can control it. Isn’t that him in the thumbnail pic? 😂

@Darrylizer1 21 күн бұрын

The strobe is there for speed matching when adjusting the speed with the DJ adjustable control. If you don't use the DJ controls the strobe is rock steady. Speed control for direct drive turntables was figured out in the 70s as was the largely fake "cogging" problem.

@helthuismartin 6 ай бұрын

NOT convincing this,,salesman,,Even Fremer has to help him..Batheway the MK7 version was,,crab,,.Even the Reloop was better.Why is this GR2 2.2 LBS lighter than than the old MK2 version??????

@r423sdex 5 ай бұрын

Fremer, is so full of.