The Templin Institute I have suggestions for the next videos. The Ceph (alien species in Crysis) and Cell (organization in Crysis). Would be really cool if you covered one of those.

It's easy to be a saint when you make fantastic stuff like this!

Just so you know, Junta is a Spanish word, it is pronounced hoon-ta. Good video, otherwise.

Can you guys do the "JSDF" from "GATE"?

@Niels Michiels - it is the same JSDF as on Earth - so I dont see a point. But I would love to see something about NERV from Evangelion. Or even better something from Honorverse - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse - Royal Manticore Navy? Solar League? Mesa corporation?

I disagree, there's a major difference here. The colonists were Federation citizens and were given the option to move with assistance from the Federation to somewhere that wasn't located in disputed territory. Plus, it's part of the risks of colonization. Sometimes you end up setting up shop somewhere that either turns out to be in someone else's territory or it's in such a location that you can't get support for it. Colonies fail, it's not always fair but it happens. Especially when you settling in a territory that then has brushfire wars for 27 years. They knew the risks and got snake eyes.

I agree with you both actually, both were wrong at some time, but neither one was justified, both were placing land or territories above people's lives, and everytime that happens, shit stuff ensues, I never understood why people do that in real life, but was well used in this story arc

That sounds about right, although I think for the Federation it was more putting the needs of society before the needs of the individual and an examination of how something that's perfectly logical, reasonable, and probably even the right call on the large scale can have disastrous effects on the small scale. I mean, ending a war through treaties and negotiations is often the right move to prevent deaths. Especially when there are other conflicts going on at the time (such as the Tzenkethi war and the Galen Border Conflicts) and one that might be coming on the horizon (threat of the Borg which had attacked only a year earlier).

I'd like to point out that the Federation was not winning the war against the Cardassians. They may not have been losing but they weren't winning, at least according to some sources I've seen. The Federation was suffering significant casualties and loss of material due to their lack of actual military prowess and no dedicated warships. The Federation, which had dedicated itself to peace and exploration, was no longer equipped or prepared to fight against a militarized society and was forced to accept an unfavorable treaty to end hostilities which it could ill-afford to continue. The Federation was not the villain. It went to war initially to defend its colonists and colonies but did not have the sufficient capacity to wage that war.

Except none of that is in the canon. Here's all we know beyond a shadow of a doubt: There was a conflict between the Federation and the Cardassian Union The conflict lasted from the 2340s to 2367 when a ceasefire was reached that eventually became treaties. There was a massacre on Setlik III that claimed an unknown number of people O'Brien was involved in the war and was assigned to the USS _Rutledge_ Picard saw action during the war while in command of the USS _Stargazer_ and outran Cardassian warships on an occasion where he was outnumbered. Janeway saw action as a lieutenant during the war There is nothing to indicate any other detail about the war. In fact, if we look at how the war affected both parties it appears that the Cardassians were having the rougher time of it given that for the first four years of TNG you wouldn't be able to tell that there were multiple wars going on at the time. Which points to the conflict being brushfire wars for the Federation. Plus, we saw the _Enterprise_ D during _The Chase_ take multiple hits from the forward phaser of multiple _Galor_ class starships (i.e. their mainline cruiser) and take no damage without shields raised simply by routing more power to the structural integrity field. That's a large power gap between a _Galaxy_ and a _Galor_ of that era (1) and that's not even taking into account how the Klingons, whom the Federation are roughly equal in combat strength to, were able to so utterly destroy the Cardassians in a year that they could no longer survive as an independent power. Which again, points to low intensity conflicts caused by the more aggressive Cardassians poking the proverbial bear and the Federation, instead of smashing them to bits, decided to just hash out a treaty instead of wasting lives on a pointless conflict. And since when has Starfleet not having dedicated warships ever hampered them? Literally every ship except the _Defiant_ and the _Prometheus_ is a multirole vessel with a suite of scientific equipment on board. (1) I say of that era because the Cardassians got a massive technological bump from joining the Dominion among other sources and were able to field more effective variants of their warships.

I love that Eddington delivers that line literally right after committing an act of terrorism and ignores the number of times that Maquis ships have fired on Starfleet ships even that early in the series. It was a great way of hinting at his hero complex/delusion early in the arc that would later become his undoing.

It also illustrates the common terrorism ideals of "we're only victims, no harm was done" where, in fact, both sides did serious damage (just look at Sisko's planetary anihilation scene, gave me chills)

Aye, it's such a powerful scene as Sisko plays Eddington and his complex like a fiddle and then cuts the strings.

The federation doesn't assimilate. Nor does it force. The communities that join the federation already have similar goals. And the federation asks.

This is the best scene in the series in my opinion. It just shows how great an actor Avery Brooks is, that Sisko just lets Eddington know that you he may have won that battle, but in end he will hunt him down and its all he cares about.

Given the nature of the people that settled, they were people that had been 'moved' for political reasons before in history (I.e. Native Americans) , and after the third or fourth time that has happened, you cannot fault them for not wanting to be moved again. It isn't so much about being right or wrong, moreso- where do you draw the line? Take the NCR in Fallout New Vegas, who were slowly moving in and pushing 'squatters' off their territory, nevermind those people have been living there for years before the NCR arrived. Was the reasons for both good? Yes, for the Federation they were just coming out of back-to-back conflicts so the idea of fighting over a 'few colonies' when they had MASSIVE infrastructure damage and manpower shortages was just not plausible, even with the technological level they had. For the NCR, they had a food and water shortage going on and had to not only support people back home, but provide for the people of New Vegas under their protection. There was no good answer to any of this.

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Patrick Lenigan more the story of stupidity. They decided to remain on those colonies and become Cardassian. They could have relocated and remained Federation citizens! Oh and in case you ask YES! I would have taken the offer. There was no way in hell former federation citizens would be treated well in Cardassian rule. Especially after the war.

Why should people be forced to flee their homes? Your home is yours and you should fight to the death for it especially in the face of tyranny. It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

@@Turd_Ferguson538 Indeed.

@@ojisanhoward8940 The stupidity was the Federation's or rather its cowardess in the face of an enemy they should have easily crushed. And giving up one's home ain't that easy, sure to the wimps on Earth it made perfect sense as they never had to work or suffer any of their selfish choices.

@@Fenris77 The instinct for survival is stronger dieing under the rule of a species who doesn't care about yours is all the motivation I need to leave. I will of course concede to your 1st point.

That tends to happen when one of the big boys decides to get up and bitch-slap a burgeoning power so hard they cease to exist. Their story arc wasn't meaningless: it was a very poignant reminder that the underdog DOESN'T always win. There's a reason they're the underdog: the likelihood they're going to win is very, very slim. The Maquis only got as far as they did because Cardassia was transitioning from a competitive power in the Alpha Quadrant to a secondary power, unable to replace their losses and beleaguered on multiple sides from within and without. If it had been the Klingons, the Romulans or the Federation? Easily crushed. As for the Voyager Maquis, did they have much of a choice? Their single Maquis Raider couldn't support all of the Maquis people that had been taken by the Caretaker Array, and Voyager itself was the only friendly-ish ship for lightyears in every direction. They had two 'choices': stay on Voyager and abide by Federation/Starfleet rules and policies, or leave and effectively remain stranded in the Delta Quadrant forever. When your ONLY ticket home happens to be someone you're not on the best terms with, you swallow your differences and do what needs to be done to get home. It wasn't 'a let down', it was the smartest choice they could have made.

@@sergeantassassin3425 Indeed. And in the end the Cardassians to quote Garak "Poetic justice" - got almost the same treatment...

@@Fenris77 Right. As I'd said, the Cardassians were already in the process of going from a primary to a secondary power in the galaxy. Their technology was stagnating to such a degree that the other three neighboring powers could field their non-top-tier starships against the best the Cardassians had to offer and usually come away with only minor casualties. A Nebula-class from the Federation could take on multiple Cardassian battle cruisers without suffering much, if any, damage, and that was WITH the Enterprise giving out information to purposefully aid the Cardassians (TNG: The Wounded). Internally, they were being torn apart from constant strife, with the Obsidian Order being a watered-down, inferior version of the Tal Shiar, yet causing almost as much damage to their own people/government as their enemies. Things like trust, loyalty, devotion, etc? Scarce in the Cardassian Union. All of this combined to severely hamper, hinder, and ultimately weaken the Cardassians to a point where they couldn't sustain the territories they'd once contested, including the Federation/Cardassian border. The Dominion just took advantage of a weakening power, gave them steroids, then cut them down when they proved useless.

You get stuck in borg space and rebel then. Really at that point chakotey, and torres were in a different situation then.

they were in the Delta Quadrant with no Cardassian/Dominion presence. Chakotay and B'lanna were former Starfleet officers or trainees as were many of the Maquis, so they slotted right back into their roles.

The Federation could’ve helped them by not signing the treaty and fought for a victory.

THIS.

a quick search online revealed it is supposed to be ' *junta* ' not 'junkta' junta is a more concise word for dictatorship, especially a military one.

superdupergrover I know, it’s what I heard. And it’s pronounced “Hunta”, as far as I know, because of its Spanish origins.

I think it's officially pronounced hunta but (j)unta is what it is often pronounced in countries that don't pronounce "j"s as "h"s like in south america were everyone speaks spanish.

Schnick A lot of people pronounce it “Hunta” here in America, too. However, I live in a place with a lot of Latino immigrants so my view may be skewed.

Also junta literally means "union" in Spanish, making it all the more fitting for the Cardassian Union.

"Beneath the gold, the bitter steel!"

vs black company from black company series

That would be one short video...

Jackson Eagle I ask the same for the Yuuzhan Vong.

Hahahahahaha Maquis as the ST counterpart of Mandalorian. Except Maquis is some sort of standard rebel cell while Mandalorian is more of a semi-religious mercenary group.

@@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 hahaha.... D***! The same veign as in a TV show format and exploring a more personal aspect of a character. Like the mandolorian.

Oh yes.... I am kicking myself in the ass for not thinking about it before :D

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Deliberately inviting them to war is a pretty bad idea though. Everyone dies or nobody dies. Tough choice...