Check out the pilot episode of the Templin Podcast discussing the Federation over on the Templin Archives. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ft-Rf8x80MzagZc.html

"The unlikely success of unification sentiment" is putting it lightly

It always bothered me how little the federation was fleshed out. They just felt like faceless cannon fodder

"we made an new villain faction" "will they use different weapons?" "no, just reskined russian and american weapons for 80% of they"

Fascism actually has a pretty interesting history in South America, it being influenced mainly by Spanish Falangism more than German or Italian fascists, the many different ideologies like Peronism, national syndicalism, Brazilian Integralism (which interestingly preached racial unity as the movement's slogan), corporatism, and some smaller less prominent movements. A resurgence of South American fascism as a response to Western neoimperialism is a pretty interesting concept, but it falls on its face because CoD writers wouldn't know the meaning of the word "nuance" if it burned their houses down and painted its name with blood on the street.

* Brazil, Argentina e Chile United * Uruguai: "Am I a joke to you?"

The protagonist at the end of the game is going to Brazil

It´s always funny how the Call of Duty series constantly has ultranationalist enemy faction while it itself propagates the kind of ultranationalist sentiment that even Douglas MacArthur would have found a bit much

The federation had potential but they didn't do enough of it

Not gonna lie. As a Colombian and South American I am really dissapointed at the wasted potential that was Cod Ghost history. Lat america is never shown as a powerful enough to be able to have an important or dominant role in the world and when it is potrayed it is shown through the lens of corruption, inner conflict or narcos. (Not that this is completly wrong but we have gotten better over time, not close to the level of say the USA or EU though). The fact that Latam when united we could become a force to be reckon with is something that hasn't been sploited or even shown in mainstream. So i was exited to see this developing subcontinent into a world power in probably the biggest AAA release. However what we got was your standard run of the mill Cod with a regular multiplayer. I enjoy the campaing as an entertaiment piece and I always smile when i see the names of the important places of Latam at the start of the missions but i simply didn't get much from that besides entertaiment. Perhaps is my fault to wanting to much from a cod game but i still had the hope that this could have been something different for cod... Anyways excelent video as always.

I liked the accurate description of fascism. Many fictional depictions of fascism, and descriptions fictional governments as fascist, lazily just use it to refer to authoritarian dictatorships, but the emphasis on national rebirth is crucial.

You know, the idea of a South American federation that wants to be a counterweight to the US (particularly given the shit we HAVE done) is actually an interesting concept speaking in terms of Alt-History or just the future. How do you weld together a coalition that can challenge a superpower when many of those you need have had rivalries with each other along with outright wars, especially when the superpower you want to rival has an intelligence apparatus that's quite experienced at mucking around with your politics for their own advantage? ... so of course, COD makes them so laughingly evil that it actually for once justifies America getting involved (if I recall correctly, the prompt for US attack on Caracas was the Federation attempting to genocide all Americans they could get their hands on - that's as automatic a CB as you can get...), rather than actually making an interesting grey-grey conflict of a relatively low scale about the influence of superpowers. Or if not, at least properly go into history that barely gets a mention in the textbooks other than the Monroe Doctrine as a 'murrica moment of telling Europe to stay out of the New World and passing mentions of CIA anti-communist ops (Which, depending on your teacher, might be framed as a *good* thing or is just an accessory to going over Iran-Contra)

Man ghosts had such potential. We are forever stuck with that cliffhanger

I find It more shocking that the EU, Russia and the Asian major didn’t swoop into such a conflict

I never understood the ghosts timeline. With the hijacking of ODIN and the attacks, what would stop the US from responding with their massive nuclear Arsenal and turning South America to glass? I doubt the federation has nuclear weapons. Ghosts was good but the whole premise was ludicrous.

making south america a super power was the only original aspect of COD ghosts, yeah the lore has its flaws and all, but the idea was interesting, sad they run out of new ideas when making the flag and choosing its equipment.(literally what matters in a FPS)

While the fictional state is lazy in design, I do think that the lack of indigenous designs in weapons manufacturing is a well thought detail And stealing your enemy's stuff and use it against them is the most latinoamerican thing I've heard so far

If the anglo-saxon americans had stopped their awful tradition of cooking sweet beans and making 'churrasco' with hot-dog wieners, we latino-americans would not be forcet to rely on such drastic measures.

I have a soft spot for these guys, they were the antagonists of my first CoD game. I wish I'd get the chance to see them more.

Man, this state reeks of lazy design. It's flag is quite literally just the EU flag, but with red and black to make it eeeeeeevil. It's army is using equipment designed by either Russia or NATO countries. It's government is essentially just fascism hamfistedly smushed together with the idea of a multinational federation in a way that makes no sense. Over all, there's almost nothing South American about this supposedly South American nation's aesthetics and almost no originality in the concept.

So you’re telling me South America kills close to 30 million people and the United States didn’t respond with Nukes.

Honestly as a Latin American I love the Federation idea, South America crushing the world, oh yeah.

I’ve always loved the Federation’s black spec ops troops. To me they are on par with MW’s Shadow Company in terms of coolness and overall badassery/ badassitude.

Call of duty games actually can have some decent lore, especially infinite warfare But the federation really makes no sense but had so much potential.

America: creates fascist South American dictatorships. Federation: forms out of these dictatorships. America: Wait that’s illegal

Oh boy this is the one I’ve been waiting for

Interesting how the US is a net hydrocarbon exporter now. The plot has not aged well.

Any lore justifications for why the initial orbital attack on the US did not resulted in a nuclear retaliation?

You know, a world where the nations of South America are united into a superstate does sound interesting, especially since when you consider this might actually happen in an age of resurgent ultra nationalism/authoritarianism. Unfortunately, this is Call of Duty, where story believability is thrown out the window for cartoonish over the top villainy and lazy world building. They're not even trying with the flag, which is just the EU flag done in red, black, and yellow as if to make them all generic doomsday villains. I probably say we might see a follow up to Ghosts, but I'm not holding my breath, especially when they focus more on Modern Warfare 2019/Warzone and Black Ops. Anyway, I hope you'll get to do other Call of Duty videos, like the original Modern Warfare Saga and Advanced Warfare.

So you're telling me one of the wealthiest superpowers of it's own time IMPORTED RUSSIAN MILITARY TECH?! INSTEAD OF DESIGNING THEIR OWN?!

FotA: Uses WMDs against North American targets. USA: Doesn’t use retaliatory nukes. 🤔

>tfw there will never be a COD: Ghosts 2

If they could not make a sequel because of how COD Ghosts don't seem to be appreciated, then I might as well make my own: Logan Walker was to be rescued and would have to be rehabilitated due to his injuries. US forces with allies would push on into the Federation and end their regime for good. With the Federation's LOKI now into their hands, they now have the advantage they didn't have and are pushing on the offensive and they use it to target important military installations, command and supply centers, anything that would cripple the Federation so they coerce their surrender and possible breakup of their empire. Rorke would likely be killed in action by the Walker brothers for payback with the help of other Ghosts. That's all I can think for now, but this is the basic premise. Anyone got other ideas for it?

Say what you will, but I’d love a sequel or at least a reboot. I have such fond memories of this game.

I started looking at the federation out of pure curiosity and suddenly you post this. How?

They missed the chance to include the EE-T1 Osório main battle tank (or fictitious successors) as a federation tank. It's such a beautiful and powerful machine of war, and it disappoints me not to see them used in the game. That said, excellent video, as always!

Somebody drank a fifth of Jager and watched the fifth season of "The Last Ship", then came up with this. Great job.

such a shame the Ghost universe wasn't explored further, it actually had a pretty interesting setting and story

I wish this COD had a sequel, or at least a novelized sequel.

Technically it was Venezuela, Brazil, and Chile who united to form the base of the Federation; not Argentina. Argentina actually resisted to the point they were the last free nation in S. America and it was the Federation invasion of Argentina that provoked the invasion of Caracas by the US in 2015.

I swear in every call of duty game there's always a big blob evil army with a bunch of equipment they got from out of nowhere that's just plows through every country except for the u.s. which somehow ends up defeating them.

Ive always thought this idea had potential, if they fleshed out the lore a lot more, and didn't have a lazy flag we could've had something pretty cool

We need a sequel. We need a sequel. We need a sequel.

When your country is so overpowered that you just lazily create ficionalize a new possible enemy superpower that won't work in real life

This is bound to be a good one! May I ask about possibly doing Outer Heaven or FOXHOUND from MGS?

Cod be like: America gud Russian bad

Speaking of Federation, and South American, it would be nice if you covered Mobile Suit Gundam Earth Federation, which had its military headquarters in the very heart of the Amazonian Rainforest, Jaburo. And its flag resembles a lot the Brazilian flag

This is crazy, I started playing again a week ago and was thinking about this and looking at the wiki. I had an idea to make a video like this but you beat me to it. Figured no one would look back on the lore on this game. Good job m8

My favorite part: Brazil, Argentina and Chile together to fulfill the dreams of Simon Bolívar. None had nothing to do with Bolivar, and everyone hates the other and have a century long ambition of supremacy in South America. Its sad to think someone was paid to do the "historical research" in the development of this game.

This video already giving more lore on Ghosts than the game did.

This was the last CoD game I played. Really enjoyed the campaign because of the concept of a unified South America. Good work bringing this game back into the light.

That has to be one of the silliest "what if" scenarios I've heard of.

I find it a miracle that's such an attack didn't result in nuclear war

“What should we do for a flag?” “Evil EU!”

As a space fan, I always wondered how TF the Federation of the Americas got the rockets needed to build a massive space station with nobody noticing. Seriously, that station is like 6x the size of the ISS, which took 20 years to build, and rockets are loud and bright, kinda hard to do it secretly.

After Hamas launched attacks against Israel, it reminds me of this, the "Tel Aviv War" in Call of Duty: Ghost. I afraid this would be the prophecy.

"Brazil, Argentina and Chile" it was Venezuela, Brazil and Chile. I mean hell, one of the missions you invaded Caracas for a reason.

US: Turns south american countries into dictator ships to extract and pillage their resources South america: Becomes into a singular dictator ship that will no longer give oil to US US: hold up right there

I find it really pleasing that this channel goes into Call of duty lore, i find it really interesting as it isnt really touched on like other games' lore.

Yoooooo I've been waiting for an in-depth look at them! Thanks!!

You should cover either Belka or Osea from ace combat strangereal

Am I the only one who really wants a Federation of the Americas that includes all countries in the Americas and the Caribbean?

I'm happy to see that they haven't been forgotten.

Excellent video . ; )

It is an interesting concept for a faction in an alternative history scenario. But it would never work in reality, not in the past and not in the future. Brazil would never join in, and if we did, it would be met with universal resistance. We are just too different from the other Latin American nations. We also don’t like this whole expansionist thing; too much work and violence, and not a lot of profit to be made. Also, COD had the opportunity to make an awesome faction, and an awesome campaign, capitalizing in the internal politics of the faction and deepening the story. But we got evil south Mexico instead.

I wish that we got even a mere fraction of this detail in the game

I completely forgot CoD Ghosts exists. Good on ya for covering such a forgotten enemy from a forgotten game.

> Federation of the Americas > Appropriates European symbolism Bruh

Viva la Federation!

It was actually Brazil, Chile, and Venezuela that unified.

I would lean towards the part where the Federation are US-Canada allies instead since they all could be dealing with cartel presences like Las Almas cartel and Cordis Dies in south Americas which I do think they're still around in COD Ghost if we're using the rebooted COD story. A most likely used story for a revamped Federation is them dealing with civil conflicts against cartels alongside their American-Canadian allies.

good job on this Call of Duty video!

Okay heres my two cents on the Federation: suuuch a missed opportunity. With the lithium deposits (a key component in batteries) that exist in Chille and Argentina you could have made the Federation into this really awesome, pristine, near fully electric society. Add some really cool electrically based weapons in there for the army! Maybe some crude gauss rifles as anti armor weapons. Hell, Tanks with Railguns! Explain the government's ability to rise to power by adding some lore about exploitative western corporations taking advantage of South America's lithium and a hyper nationalist, Facist regime rising to combat the exploitation of the South American people. And Bam! You've got an really unique, interesting enemy that is a credible threat to the U.S. Instead we got a gross mix of Russian and US equipment, abd one map that haphazardly explains they're working in domestic designs, using a 3D model that they couldn't quite fully finish

I still have a lot of problems when it comes to that faction. First and foremost are the reaction of the invasion by the other "traditional" superpowers of Europe, Asia and every other nations that exist in that world.

Thank you the video, and the English subtitle.

I like how it’s always “the greatest shift in power since _____.” But like every forty years somebody just gets a dart and throws it at a globe and goes “yep, that’s the new challenger.”

"Brazil and Argentina united" Brazilians: KKKKKKKK Argentinians: jajajajajajaja

I’m honestly sad we’ll never see a Ghosts sequel, because the Federation of the Americas is an absolutely fantastic nation concept, especially their origin. :(

Why is mèxico a push over? If anything, invading Mexico would be like invading Iran. Not to mention the gurilla fighting that would happen after collapse.

Finally, an explanation to what the federation actually is.

Everything about the Federation reeks of lazy world-building. You're seriously telling me that all of these South American Nations, with distinct language and cultural differences, and past rivalries and grievances against each other, just one day decided to band together and form a new nation? I'd have an easier time believing in a Canadian invasion of the USA (I'm Canadian btw).

Love this call of duty

Makes me miss this game. The world building was not perfect but it was there for you people who did not think it had much, and the federation buying Russian and American arms while they worked on increasing the indigenous industry was sort of realistic. Was also a refreshing change of enemies to fight against. The extinction mode was also fun.

Maybe a good name for the podcast could be 'Analysis'. It fits the naming conventions of the other Templin programs and, well, it's analyzing a faction/nation to see if it (and the world itself) holds up.

This game should've been called Call of Duty The American Manifesto.

The COD ghost series world is just ridiculous and not in a good way. There’s a lot to dislike about it.

Finally someone made this

I love the cutscenes in this game

Wow, my first multiplayer game was this

It's one of the most interesting faction in fictions, a united Latin America (and invaded contries) who beat the USA in battle (and lose later) and became the world biggest Empire (fascist) in size and economy, i'm fascinated as a Latin American. Off course i see it's a way of american propaganda were USA is good and the non creative work to create it ruined it, but, the backstory is cool.

THANK YOU

I love this channel

Given that the scenario described in Ghosts would really be the "Texas and Dakotas Full Employment Act", I think there are better options for a CoD set post ME collapse. China/India/Japan all need what little oil will be exported. Seems like there's a story there that would be different and interesting. In the same scenario, Russia has an off valve on the bulk of Europe's remaining imports, but also it's own internal problems. There are also a variety of countries that European powers have history with due to resource relationships...not always amicably. See...three campaigns: China/India/Japan compete for oil transport, Russia tries to seize defensive gaps using oil leverage, and EuroCorp or just France goes looking to secure resources in old haunts. An ugly gritty world that doesn't need cartoon villainy.

I wish we could've gotten a Ghosts sequel.

Topic Idea: Republic of The Sphere, Highlanders, Swordsworn (from Battletech/Mechwarrior)

This Federation of Americas sounds more practical than other super powers.

The federation are the good guys

currently a federation of the americas could become canon

Warhawk and prison break was one of the best maps in cod history

i always was curious about them when i was little playing