A nice exploration together, I apologize to the channel's followers for my poor English !! :D :D
@gwpsr586 жыл бұрын
Your English was fine. Heavily accented, but fine :)
@perfection47496 жыл бұрын
UrbexAle no worries, we understood you fine.
@ericscarburry85276 жыл бұрын
Your English is way better than my Italian
@Dan-uc8rx6 жыл бұрын
UrbexAle it's ik Allesio, I could understand! Much love from southern California. Thank you!
@ADITADDICTS6 жыл бұрын
UrbexAle Your English is better than my English!
@CornishMineExplorer6 жыл бұрын
A different kind of mine for me too, very interesting layout, much bigger than I am used too. Those fallen rocks look like ankle breakers!
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Much bigger than I'm used to as well! Wait until you see the size of the ore chutes in the next video... And also the size of the adits in the last video - they're the biggest I've ever seen (almost like enormous natural caverns). Ha, yes, "ankle breakers" is a great way to describe the rubble in there.
@DFDuck556 жыл бұрын
Sedimentary mines (limestone, coal, coke, etc.) are scary! Not only are they unstable and the back constantly falls to the floor, they are notorious for having bad air (Blackdamp; carbon dioxide, methane pockets, etc.) -- This must be a huge limestone deposit since it's not a drift mine following a vein, but instead has straight parallel tunnels.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
I knew about the bad air issues in coal mines. I didn't know that extended to mines extracting sedimentary material in general, but it certainly makes sense... Fortunately, this one had really good air flow. So, that wasn't an issue. You're right about them being unstable! That limestone must be real brittle because shards of it were all over the place. Oh, and, yes, this limestone deposit was enormous. As you indicated, it was pretty much them just hollowing out the hill rather than needing to chase a vein.
@Dan-uc8rx6 жыл бұрын
I liked this post also. My Italian wife even watched all of it. A lot to be seen... the rough walking space says a lot about the history here. Rain+explosives. Left a rough trail!
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I'm very impressed that your wife watched all of it. I wouldn't be able to interest my Italian wife for five seconds in a mine video! Indeed, it was a rough trail in there. The limestone appears to be very brittle.
@Dan-uc8rx6 жыл бұрын
Oh, and the bats... that was cool too! Next time zoom in!!
@Dan-uc8rx6 жыл бұрын
Years ago I went to the Carlsbad cave in NM. The bats were incredible there. Swarming like bees at the entrance. If you haven't been, it's a place to see...
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Zooming in doesn't work very well in those conditions because there already is a problem with having enough light. It just ends up being blurry. That scene at Carlsbad sounds impressive.
@docmccoy19286 жыл бұрын
It's easy to tell a bar down bar and a double jack drill. The drills all have the cross bit on the front and most bar down bars have a wedge tip.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Yes, that is an effective and easy way to tell.
@mommaice6 жыл бұрын
Wow it sure is big!! I have to admit it felt a bit rushed going through this one. Gotta love the bats.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Well, this particular mine is so big that one kind of has to focus on the highlights. Also, given the size as well as the dark colors inside, it really swallowed up our lights (which made filming more difficult).
@Porty11196 жыл бұрын
Nice! Room-and-pillar limestone accounts for 95%+ of the accessible abandoned mines where I did most of my exploring.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I remember the tremendous galleries you showed in some of your videos... I think you'll be impressed by the last adit we go into. It's so enormous that in many cases it seems like we're making our way through a huge natural cavern. They took a LOT of material out of that one.
@jonviol6 жыл бұрын
Totally absorbing to watch .Thanks
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you... Yes, this type of mine was a new experience for me.
@chrisackerley18425 жыл бұрын
Central Italy gets so many large earthquakes that the amount of material fallen from the roof of the adit is not surprising. Great video!
@leehilton99326 жыл бұрын
My grandpa worked at what was Franklin limestone in Crab Orchard Tennessee. Back in the mid 90s there was over 2 miles of mine tunnels. They would cut 50ft by 50ft by 50ft with all natural supports. It was cool goin back in there back in the day. Franklin sold out to a bigger company a few years back.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
They go big in the limestone mines! In the last video in this series, we get into workings that are as big as those you described. I'm used to tight, skinny gold and silver mines. So, the immensity of these workings kind of blew my mind.
@alvinosullivan28046 жыл бұрын
That did look a big drop at the beginning! Bats were cool! Great vid as always!
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! There is a much better look at that big drop in the second video when I go into the level below. It is bigger than I realized... Yes, I thought the bats were really cool too. I've never seen that many in one place before.
@retiresoon56396 жыл бұрын
Never ever seen limestone mined this way.They are all quarries everyplace I have been before. I live close to three of them. Looks like they left a lot of their limestone on the floor.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
The modern operation that is following this swath of limestone is using the quarry method. I suppose that with cheap labor and low technology in the past, that it was more economical for underground mining.
@Steven-vo8tk6 жыл бұрын
Great mine. It is so large. All that loose rock has to be hard to walk on.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Yes, wait until you see the rest of the adits! This one seems tiny compared to those - especially the last one. Ha, and, yeah, that rubble on the floor wasn't any fun to walk on at all...
@bobmacadu8406 жыл бұрын
You do some serious world wide exploration.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Well, I've gotta keep you guys entertained! I can't have you getting bored with the same types of mines all of the time, right?
@Lalunabreeze5 жыл бұрын
Big mine. I like it. Don’t like pit mining. Dang, you right sheet load of bats. Man it just keeps going.
@TVRExploring5 жыл бұрын
Yes, unfortunately, pit mining is the route most mining companies are going now...
@kengamble85956 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ken.
@bernardgonzales41956 жыл бұрын
Not as challenging as the Diamond Mine, but great video. Good job!!
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Tough to top that one, but I've got a couple coming up that are strong contenders...
@otsoalai56216 жыл бұрын
Great video brother! As always!!
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@ericcorse6 жыл бұрын
That is some beautiful stone. "This is hard to walk on" I'll say and if you fall you might end up with some extra orifices as sharp as it is.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am not used to seeing some of the colors we saw underground there... Parts of it were quite beautiful. Haha, yes, that limestone rubble had some sharp edges! I'm happy with the number of orifices I have now, so I'm glad that neither of us fell.
@dirkdiggler12426 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!
@dethaddr6 жыл бұрын
I have to admit... I'm thinking it's a big waste of limestone to mine it that way (as opposed to open pit where you can quarry it). You know they weren't in it for the chemical composition, because of all of the scrap tailings you see everywhere, so they must have been mining for slabs. This also makes dynamite a crazy way to mine it, because you wouldn't want to blow up or crack your large slabs.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Well, the miners weren't stupid and the company is still in business. So, they must have had a compelling reason to mine it in the manner they did. Given how cheap labor was at the time and given the earthmoving equipment of the day, I suspect that when this mine was developed, it was more economical to come in from the side rather than to come down from the top.
@UNFORGIVENFOREVER6 жыл бұрын
It would be AWESOME if I could meet you next trip you make to LaPorte , My wife has Family there that dates back to the original settlers of Rabbit Creek , Goulds, Kingdons, Her Great Aunt Jan Garvis wrote the book THE ROAR OF THE MONITORS. I never seen an explorer that does what you do .
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
How often do you head up to La Porte? We're up there quite often... I'm very familiar with Jann and her fantastic book and have heard a lot about those branches of the family that you mentioned.
@pizzafrenzyman6 жыл бұрын
Considering the method of obtaining raw materials, the cost of the concrete must have been quite expensive. How did the miners remove the ore with all that mixed debris and ore on the tunnel floor?
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
All of that rubble on the floor came down after the mine was abandoned. When it was still being worked, the floor would have been clear.
@JoggyMorvin6 жыл бұрын
Damn this cave is large. Most mines are a lot smaller...
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Yes, the inside of this mine is enormous. Wait until you see the last part that we went into! It's the largest I've ever seen.
@billconserva14613 жыл бұрын
It's really interesting that all that debris, must have fallen since the mine was closed. Makes one wonder, you really need a hard hat in there, never knowing when something will fall on you.
@brentkeller38266 жыл бұрын
There's an 1800's limestone quarry and remains (such as they are) of a lime kiln just down the road from me. Sadly, no information on it remains other than a historical placard stating the baked lime was used for bricks and steel processing at the time of operation. A large cut remains, nothing otherwise identifiable to see.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
That sounds like an interesting site. At least it has the placard...
@brentkeller38266 жыл бұрын
I wish there was more information on it. The limestone layer is a westward dipping "vein" in an outcrop that cuts across the original road. (Original road itself was a winding farm road, now it is a "county route".) The placard could stand to have more data, but then again so many deserving sites go undocumented and unremembered.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
"so many deserving sites go undocumented and unremembered" How sadly accurate!
@IanDarley6 жыл бұрын
Please tell me that you were wearing a helmet in that mine. Even one of those small grapefruit sized razor sharp limestone rocks falling on your noggin would really spoil your day and they weren't exactly few and far between. Great video as always.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Yes, having one of those sharp limestone rocks bounce off of my skull probably would not have been a lot of fun...
@zohaibzohaibhassan13465 жыл бұрын
Limestone cutting tips
@crosslakerealtor6 жыл бұрын
Great video, very fluid, would you mind sharing what Gimbal you use?
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Sure, it is the Zhiyun Crane M...
@chrisackerley18425 жыл бұрын
Is that some sort of fossil embedded in the roof [upper right of the frame at 8:05]?
@TVRExploring5 жыл бұрын
Anything's possible. This used to be the floor of the ocean and any number of creatures could have floated down to the bottom and become a fossil.
@RailPreserver2K6 жыл бұрын
Could you try collating with frank from exploring abandoned mines in bc
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
We've talked to each other about it a couple of times, but we never seem to be in the right place at the right time. I live overseas for most of the year and am only back in the U.S. in the summers. Frank takes his winter vacations (when we could do a project together in Mexico or the U.S.) just after I leave. So, that has been the stumbling block so far. However, I'd like to see it happen too and so we can hopefully sort something out soon.
@blurboards16 жыл бұрын
Interesting seeing a limestone mine, seems pit mining limestone has been the preferred method here in the US. Limestone is primarily used for concrete right?
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
We don't have limestone mines in our area in the U.S. and so I'm not sure what "normal" is. However, since mining of minerals near the surface is almost all pit mining now, I suspect that is the case. Even at this site, they switched over to pit mining for the remaining limestone deposits.
@Porty11196 жыл бұрын
It's used a lot more for gravel and general aggregate production than cement. I lived in Missouri for the last four years (currently waiting on finding more full-time work); that state is up there with Kentucky for the most underground limestone mining. In many cases, the particular formation being mined is deep enough that surface mining is no longer economical. Many times, they'll just drive drifts into the site of the surface pit when it comes time to switch to underground production. I've got videos of a few Missouri limestone mines, surface and underground, on my channel, and a list of quite a few more to visit next time I'm up that way.
@tutekohe13616 жыл бұрын
Derek Mcclenahan here in New Zealand, limestone is mined almost exclusively for agricultural use. It improves the ph of acidic soils and provides a good source of calcium for pasture and stock, as well as increasing the friability of the soil.
@froggleggers18056 жыл бұрын
Are you going to explore any old Roman mines?
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Actually, I've explored several. However, if a site has good minerals, mining usually didn't stop with the Romans. So, many modern mines in Europe have Roman origins that have been almost completely obliterated by the modern workings. There are exceptions, of course such as the Dolaucothi Gold Mines in Wales where the modern workings didn't destroy too much of the Roman workings, but in most cases there isn't a lot left to see. A good example of that would be the mine I'll post a link to below... I actually go into one of the old Roman adits, but most of them were destroyed by the pit mining that took place at the site. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/acWop7FnyqmoeGw.html
@froggleggers18056 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@perfection47496 жыл бұрын
Curious, in your explorations who knows mining better american miners or italian miners?? Or is it all pretty much the same? What I mean is american mines are heavily (government) regulated...
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Ah, that's an interesting question. I hadn't considered that before... Well, the Italians have been mining since even before the Romans. So, they're not exactly new to this game. Of course, the Cornish miners had a huge influence on mining technology and development, but it didn't take long for their expertise to spread around the world once the Industrial Revolution got into swing. A lot of the equipment is the same too. I've seen the same manufacturer's plates on machinery in the States that I've seen in Italy. I even saw miner's graffiti in an Italian mine once from an American mining engineer that was working there. So, I guess what I'm saying after fumbling through a response to your question is that they are all pretty much the same.
@christianbuczko14816 жыл бұрын
Those tunnels were very large, maybe that's why the bats like them.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Wait until you see how large they are in the last video! They almost look like natural caverns... I think there will be three videos in this series and if that's correct, it'll be the third video.
@snoosebaum9956 жыл бұрын
at least this time you know why they mined it
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Yes, no problem following the deposits in this one!
@ADITADDICTS6 жыл бұрын
ziff house What exactly are you implying?
@markcantemail80186 жыл бұрын
T V R And Alessio Thank you very much ! Yes Room and Pillar one level is What I know . Natural Hydaulic Cement ( water lime ) Is what they mined . 1870 They went underground and cut their costs in Half , 20 % charge of Dynamite Is what the report said . It is in a Built up area so I do not Blab . The kids get down there and get in Trouble ! Portland Cement took over the market and unions is what shut down the mines . The mines are in a Karst area so natural openings are found right where the Mines are . I Am Glad you are wearing shoes in this mine . I enjoyed this video very much ! 202 views
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. We don't have limestone mines in our part of the U.S. and so this was all new to me... That site you're describing sounds like an interesting one, to be sure. Haha, yes, this mine would have sliced bare feet to ribbons!
@markcantemail80186 жыл бұрын
Brave Explorer The Cement mines Had a specific Horizon that they were after . Depending on the Geologic reports 4 1/2 to 6 feet was the layer and up to 9 feet depending on which Mine you were in . I suspect after mines were closed they took Loose rock from ceiling to use for other purposes . In the mines not used for over a century there has been some roof spall and the floor is littered with rubble like the one you were in . In Pennsylvania They have many underground limestone mines , I printed out a list one day and I stopped at 29 locations . They go after certain Beds of limestone with the % of purity they are chasing for use in Portland cement , agricultural lime and other uses . The beds in P.A are not flat lying like ours are . It really is exciting to be in a Limestone Mine if you are used to gold ,silver and other Minerals for your explores . I really do like the Variety that you are going for and Hope you keep expanding your efforts . Alessio was a great find ,his English was very Good !
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
That's interesting about Pennsylvania's limestone mines. I had no idea that they had so many. Given how much rubble was on the floor in this mine and also what you described, the limestone must be a fairly brittle material. Yes, gold, silver and copper mines are what I have almost exclusively had access to. So, it was indeed a treat to be able to mix things up with this limestone mine. I do try to mix things up for viewers such as yourself. Oh, and, yes, it was fortunate to meet Alessio!
@markcantemail80186 жыл бұрын
Justin I do not know how to private message you , so here it is in the open . I just built a Video episode 133 . I have too few photos of the inside of the mine , and it is a just a pocket camera . No Gymbals and it takes a poor video . It was one level room and pillar The water in the mine drains down into the bedrock layers below . No water enters the Mines from the outside . Mines as in more than a few . And the Red Herring is to Keep people from guessing where it is . I like the people in that town and do not want any more kids getting in trouble There . The Strontium mine is all real , the other people jealously guard that Mountain . But I had permission that day so went up to see it , Alone . Go to my channel and look at a few . I believe you are very smart and can figure out what I am Hiding and why . My camera is pathetic but I am happy to have it . Your Videos are so clear I really enjoy them ! Thank you
@ADITADDICTS6 жыл бұрын
Hey! Who's that guy you cheating bastard!! Lmao! That is a big mine.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Haha, I thought about introducing the video by saying that you'd been so inspired by your first visit to Italy that you'd grown a beard and adopted an Italian accent. However, I don't think many people would have believed me. We'd love to have had you with us on this one! Wait until you see how big the last adit is - biggest I've ever seen...
@ADITADDICTS6 жыл бұрын
TVR Exploring wow
@jshilohshea3816 жыл бұрын
doesn't look easy to walk on..wearing steel toed boots ?
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
No, it definitely wasn't easy to walk on! Fortunately, yes, I was rocking the steel toes that day though...
@ericscarburry85276 жыл бұрын
I prefer you lead. Not follow
@jshilohshea3816 жыл бұрын
I've never seen so small bats !! they looked like babies not adults hope you wore mask to protect your lungs from the fumes of bat sh*t...
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Maybe a different species in Italy? Also, they might have seemed smaller because that adit was so big. Normally, I'm much closer to the bats when filming because they are closer. I'm by no means an expert on bats... I was just taken with the sheer number of them inside there since I'm not used to seeing more than a handful of bats at the most.
@keirakain6 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why don’t u use climbing tools and stuff and repel or anything in some of these mines ? Is it expensive to get the equipment ?
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
There have been so many conventional adits to explore that there hasn't been a need for it yet. There are hardly any shafts in the normal area we go exploring, so all of that gear would be something that would just get used on 2-3 trips a year. Also, I don't have the luggage space to fly all of the climbing gear out to Italy. I know how to use the gear and expect we'll start seeing more of it in the future, but, at least for now, I'm still working through the low hanging fruit.
@ADITADDICTS6 жыл бұрын
Matt T Plus a good 90% of shafts and second levels have no access from the top and with a raise that goes 50-100' up there's no way to fasten ropes with all the rotten wood and vertical sides. And again with winzes, it's a one in a million chance when we find one that's not flooded in N.california. So there goes your access.
@TVRExploring6 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's exactly right. The technical gear would essentially just be for Nevada trips. Even all of the mines in Italy are flooded and Sardinia is pretty dry.
@keirakain6 жыл бұрын
I realize that there flooded but I remember one mine you did that was flooded and the guy you were with said it led to older workings and you could still get there by scuba diving through the flooded part
@ADITADDICTS6 жыл бұрын
Matt T That wasn't me. And as far as scuba diving goes in a mine.....hell no! Not for me anyway. I've waded through 1000's of feet of flooded mine drifts, tunnels and adits but there's no way I'm diving in one unless it be a life or death choice! Lol