Did Sonos out-design the AirPods Max?

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Sonos thinks it's ready to take on Bose, Sony, Apple, and other competitors with its first-ever pair of wireless headphones. The noise-canceling Sonos Ace have a premium design, impressive comfort, and a feature called TV Audio Swap that lets you privately listen to your TV shows and movies with the press of a button - as long as you also own a Sonos soundbar.
00:00 Sonos headphones are here
00:25 The design
01:39 Listening to music
02:16 Using with a Sonos Bar
03:45 Final thoughts
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@TheVerge Ай бұрын

Has Sonos’ controversial app redesign put you off from getting these headphones?

@BobbyStef Ай бұрын

Yes the app is a lost cause 😅

@TimParker Ай бұрын

Yep, can't trust these guys anymore.

@David-xt5ob Ай бұрын

Yes it has. I didn’t even have a problem with the S1 to S2 solution. Business got to do what they got to do. But the new app is so bad it’s not only put me off these but going to start ditching there gear altogether. My network basically doesn’t work now. Why on earth would I invest more with this company. Not only that but at this price point there are better looking and frankly better companies to be dealing with. Buyer beware

@breezyashell Ай бұрын

yes, and I have 6 Sonos products. will not commit to new products until the app is fixed

@steve-ey4ol Ай бұрын

Stick wiv Sony they never broke there app and to be honest Sony will last long

@TheHanleyProject Ай бұрын

3:20 "And Sonos says any latency shouldn't be perceptible to most people" So it's perceptible, got it.

@zabdielscoon3041 29 күн бұрын

Perhaps meaning not perceptible to non audiophiles, or not suitable for studio work?

@fuzziestlumpkin 29 күн бұрын

It's a total non issue. It will only be perceptable to the kind of people who buy and use expensive, high end A/V gear. Oh, wait...

@Christian-op1ss Ай бұрын

Nice production, but you covered everything except the sound quality impression. For a headphone...

@Kairos_kcs 29 күн бұрын

They're not allowed to discuss it publicly yet.

@architsengupta5926 29 күн бұрын

@Kairos_kcs why even make a video then .

@Kairos_kcs 29 күн бұрын

@@architsengupta5926 because people are interested to know about the product in general. Why do companies release trailers and teasers for video games if they don’t tell me EXACTLY what the gameplay will be like? Same kind of idea.

@easyluckable 29 күн бұрын

@@architsengupta5926because this is not a review but a preview?

@Sydnxt 29 күн бұрын

@@architsengupta5926it’s an impressions video

@SixFingeredAmish Ай бұрын

Old Sonos app died for this

@GamesterTheBest7 Ай бұрын

Worth

@anishmahadikz Ай бұрын

“Courage”

@bit2964 Ай бұрын

And the damn app doesn’t work if your WiFi has no internet connection (downgraded the app because of that)

@Fluera Ай бұрын

“It took courage”

@thenextension9160 Ай бұрын

Gotta move forward

@johnmalone8790 Ай бұрын

Just sort the app sonos ffs

@twistajig 29 күн бұрын

Man the app is the biggest pain. I’d take an improved app over this any day

@Beer_Dad1975 29 күн бұрын

They have released a fixes roadmap - but still haven't explained WTF they were thinking releasing such a half finished product to their customer base to begin with.

@griponreality254 24 күн бұрын

Yesterday I went to update a speaker as required to use it… the app had an old pw stored in it, so it would tell me to logout, but auto log in on an account that didn’t have the speaker needing update… there is nothing like going to put on some music for company only to have to give up due to frustrating user hostile BS like their poor UX design. I have somewhere unsightly I’d like to put my sonos speakers if only the sonos decision makers of relevance would show themselves.

@IDiggPattyMayonnaise Ай бұрын

Thank god someones making a premium headphone with physical controls.

@Ashan360 29 күн бұрын

Forgot the /s

@blaster915 29 күн бұрын

YES!! AGREE

@iclonethefirst 27 күн бұрын

@@Ashan360literally don't buy Sony because they only have touch controlls, so yeah, no "/s"

@Ashan360 27 күн бұрын

@@iclonethefirst Sony might be the only premium headphone manufacturer that only has touch controls. B&W, B&O, Apple, Bose, Sennheiser, KEF…

@tommeofficial 26 күн бұрын

@@iclonethefirst which work amazing, had my sony's 4 years now

@roryradio Ай бұрын

Talk to them about the app - they really dropped the ball with this new hyped update.

@lr7815 18 күн бұрын

Its what you get when you fire employees just because all you’re friends are doing it

@411hippieCO 29 күн бұрын

Ordered! I've been waiting for their take on headphones for years!

@Ashan360 29 күн бұрын

It’s the exact same take as Apple, except Sonos ecosystem.

@ambari12 29 күн бұрын

You had me at physical buttons ❤

@Jtx_Tools Ай бұрын

Physical Buttons!!!! Thank you Sonos!!! I’m excited

@tommeofficial 26 күн бұрын

Sony tocuh pad works amazing

@Jtx_Tools 25 күн бұрын

@@tommeofficial I’ve had a pair it does work well, just my preference to have physical buttons

@GD2X Ай бұрын

You didn't tell us how good the active ANC is or the sound

@GSAproductions Ай бұрын

It's not a review, it's a preview

@cgnomazoid Ай бұрын

@@GSAproductions Still

@concinnus 29 күн бұрын

Either it's under NDA since it's just a preview, or they just weren't able to listen in a standardized environment to compare.

@10past12 29 күн бұрын

Did you see that room with all the guys sitting quietly testing the headphones? Not much N to AC

@serrael-182 29 күн бұрын

Seems like a commercial. I dont know more than before

@ckilburnuf Ай бұрын

When's the embargo on when the actual sound and features can be reviewed?

@emarticor 29 күн бұрын

Often Bowers & Wilkins isn't mentioned as a comparable, but I love my headphones in this category

@koreyg8552 28 күн бұрын

B and W are some Of the best premium headphones . Always rated high

@Icipher4 Ай бұрын

Interested in hearing more. I wouldn't buy these unless they went on sale for $300 or less, though. On another note, where is the Arc 2?

@Oldaker 29 күн бұрын

Lots to like here. Nice to see more premium contenders! I thought these were gonna be more like just another mid-range pair. Interesting product.

@Mikivli 29 күн бұрын

are they thin as or thinner than the beats studio pro cups

@nickhooigray Ай бұрын

They look slick. But what gets me with the AirPods Max is that there’s no logos or writing on it. I think this separates them from the Sonos in terms of design

@ellemarr7234 Ай бұрын

I’m wondering if they needed to label it because people would think they’re Apple … they just look so similar

@MNHS16 Ай бұрын

@@ellemarr7234 Exactly. They are zo distinctieve that the entire headphone is one big logo.

@realsleepi 29 күн бұрын

i think the chill sonos logo is super clean and actually stands out imo

@itiolaayodele4593 29 күн бұрын

The same critics will worship Apple if they adopt such a design decision.

@dswill3709 29 күн бұрын

They would make no money on them if didn’t put a logo. They don’t have the kind of marketing that Apple has. People associate headphone with no logo with Apple as well, so they really had no choice even if they wanted to!

@justlou717 29 күн бұрын

Can you use 2 pairs at once? Can you use one pair and have the soundbar still output ?

@Globalsouthie 27 күн бұрын

I have been looking forward to this the moment they acquired RHA.

@Halbmond 29 күн бұрын

Is the Dolby Atmos and head tracking stuff also compatible with Apple’s spatial audio? (I’m guessing no)

@Ak-zm5iy 19 күн бұрын

Yes it is, but Dolby atmos only when you are watching Dolby content

@thenextension9160 Ай бұрын

Love those physical controls

@nolanblew Ай бұрын

Wait. So you can't just hook it up to your existing sonos wifi setup in your house to say, move your music from my era 300 in the kitchen to my headphones when I want to walk around the house? It can only be used with the soundbar or bluetooth? Seems like a big missed opportunity for direct integration

@bberding 29 күн бұрын

No, it works exactly like you would want it to. You can move music from the speakers to headphones or both at the same time. It is just like another Sonos speaker in the system and all over WiFi.

@richarddunn369 29 күн бұрын

@@bberdingthat’s incorrect. The only speaker you can transfer music from currently is the Arc soundbar - plans for the same feature to work with Beam and Ray are in the work, but no other Sonos speaker will work in the same way. This isn’t a true WiFi headphone incorporated into the ecosystem like we hoped it would be.

@JntnR 18 күн бұрын

@@richarddunn369 does this means that the only way to get full surround D Atmos is picking up the signal from their soundbar? can't I just pop in Netflix on my phone or tablet and get DA sound?

@Kvsanal78 29 күн бұрын

Imagine being able to connect Sonos subwoofer along with this, A complete home theatre experience ?

@GabrielMirandaV0878 29 күн бұрын

I know it is subjective, but could you please advise about sound quality with and without cable using Apple Music lossless (cable). Is there a big difference? Also BT sound vs Senheiser, Sony, AirPod max . Thanks

@MrFiorano87 29 күн бұрын

will there will be spatial audio while watching from macbook ?

@jfigs Ай бұрын

This whole time I thought this guy was David Pierce on the Verge podcast

@Tiltasauras 29 күн бұрын

Best video the verge has done in a long time

@Npzsn83 27 күн бұрын

Clearly paid to advertise this product.

@ke5943 29 күн бұрын

Can you use a pair of them watching tv at once? Thanks.

@Dan-lr4hm Ай бұрын

So I need a Sonos soundbar to have at is on the headphones? Am I understanding that correctly?

@GauravMishra9200 29 күн бұрын

Yes They want to push you into their ecosystem.

@GerryL116 23 күн бұрын

I believe thats correct if you want to play music from the Sonos home system to the headphones it has to come via the soundbar. The headphones are not a "room" that can be directly assigned like their speakers.

@aliibn-muhammadal-sharif8568 Ай бұрын

I am definitely buying these! Great review

@QuinnTeddy Ай бұрын

I had no idea dunkey was doing tech reviews now but I’m all for it

@MrAndyisReal Ай бұрын

lmao i lowkey thought the same

@adobeaner Ай бұрын

Wonder how Super Mario Bros 2 sounds like with these headphones

@MartinWilks1 28 күн бұрын

Feels like the main user story for these was “I’m a dad who wants to watch movies after the kids have gone to bed”

@marcuspapadopoulos2649 Ай бұрын

I don't see any exposed screws when those ear pads are off. I wonder how well they are designed for battery replacement?

@magoomba 29 күн бұрын

These go straight to the landfill when the battery dies😊

@SpeedfrkOne 27 күн бұрын

People do not buy headphones for battery replacement - I’ve never had to replace a headphone battery in my life.

@SaschaB2B 29 күн бұрын

How do they charge?

@rajendrabiswas 29 күн бұрын

are these good for movies?

@chasingstoke 29 күн бұрын

I am trying to buy a 2.1 era 300 and mini sub system and these headphones but the app dramas have me considering other options unfortunately. Any recommendations anyone?

@Kevdog1920 26 күн бұрын

Does it have to be a Sonos tv and sound bar to use those features?

29 күн бұрын

Looks great!

@DiegoJaimes 29 күн бұрын

how do they work?

@jackywong4480 29 күн бұрын

A good headphone, undoubtedly; would be a great headphone w/ support for standalone playback like Sonos Roam / One.

@berdugosocials9854 29 күн бұрын

How good is it in Teams calls?

@Colmets1 28 күн бұрын

I will definitely pick this up.

@jonathanVA44 29 күн бұрын

Hi Chris, my thoughts on the design are, they look amazing! I actually think that on your head, they look better than the Apple ones.

@gtbr24 29 күн бұрын

Can they work standalone without signing into a Sonos account?

@gatgolf 28 күн бұрын

can the headphones be picked as a 'speaker' on the app?

@siljalaine 29 күн бұрын

How does phone calls sound on both ends?

@EvanZamir 27 күн бұрын

Does this work with Apple Music?

@BrazaBryan Ай бұрын

already pre-ordered mine!

@Killyang 29 күн бұрын

You didn’t talk about sound quality!!! How do they sound? How’s the sound signature? Balance? Stereo imaging?

@bluewaves1137 29 күн бұрын

Sonos sound speakers is not connecting via Bluetooth with other speakers Is there a problem in the app ?

@willvargas4477 26 күн бұрын

Hopefully they sync with Apple 8k tv 8k as in the new unit?

@eloyreno Ай бұрын

Is this the reason I can’t connect my sonos roam to my app? Cause of an app update for just 1 product.

@marlo-ji Ай бұрын

Ngl that looks sick

@thridday 29 күн бұрын

Oh man these are slick.

@RandySpeer Ай бұрын

Does this mean no lossless over bluetooth for iPhone users, but yes for Android users? Or did I misunderstand?

@fuzziestlumpkin 29 күн бұрын

If I understand the way Samsung handles codecs correctly, Their phones won't be able to have lossless audio over Bluetooth either.

@JamesBrowning 27 күн бұрын

Can multiple pairs of headphones connect to a soundbar? To me, that's the biggest difference between a regular Bluetooth roku connection and what Sonos could offer.

@JonPride 27 күн бұрын

I think what all of those companies should focus on is a good mic and noice cancelling from the mic. Just imagine taking them to the office and doing your calls and cancelling out everything, so you can focus on tasks, then coming home to your home and just vibing with a good movie and using these as a good option for when the kids or partner are asleep. Thanks for the video, looking forward to the headphones. ,-)

@djtoshiba 24 күн бұрын

Can't wait to see the airpod max 2 😅

@thetechbeast 28 күн бұрын

I have no doubt the quality will be good, but when comparing to the AirPods Max I am just happy there is a proper carrying case

@eddieevangelista6014 Ай бұрын

They only work with the sonos arc sound bar. That's straight from sonos themselves

@RandySpeer Ай бұрын

Out of the box, yes. But support for both other Sonos Soundbars coming.

@fuzziestlumpkin 29 күн бұрын

@@RandySpeerBy definition the fact that "support is coming" means that the Ray and Beams are not supported. Never buy a product based on a promise of how good it will eventually be.

@audie-cashstack-uk4881 25 күн бұрын

Until update that's straight from sonos nice try tho

@Itomi 23 күн бұрын

No jack?

@johnmccabe4665 29 күн бұрын

I know mics are not the focus of product of this sort - but I really hope the “beamforming mic” abilities for calls with little (none?) background noise is something they’re able to deliver….airpods pro or max don’t cut it.

@OwenCampbellMoore 29 күн бұрын

A moment of silence for the Sonos app

@SamuelHauptmannvanDam Ай бұрын

I think this is my next.

@hjshoon5244 Ай бұрын

Would be a nice do it all headphone if it can also be used for gaming over wifi with a dongle

@coyotestardust 29 күн бұрын

the gaming headset market is different, the serious headsets in *that* market often have their own dedicated transmitters/receivers dongles instead of using standard BT/wifi to support better latency and still offer a high-quality audio experience. So the Sony/Apple/Bose/etc. stuff is really aimed at a different set of use cases around content consumption and not interactivity with a mic with low latency.

@audie-cashstack-uk4881 25 күн бұрын

This is supported wired tho

@hjshoon5244 25 күн бұрын

@@audie-cashstack-uk4881 yes. Will wait for reviewers to test. Also I’m using Xbox for gaming which don’t allow any audio devices to be used when directly connected via usb port unless it’s a ‘licensed’ Xbox product (proprietary..). Only way to work is probably if the Xbox is connected to the TV, then tv connect to Sonos soundbar and then use the audio swap feature to connect the Ace to the soundbar. I do have Sonos home theatre set but unfortunately my Xbox is connected to my monitor in my room and not the tv

@HelveticaBold1 Ай бұрын

Will this work with Apple TV?

@charlesdoesmore5488 Ай бұрын

If you use Sonos soundbars, then yes it will work.

@Dan-cd6hm Ай бұрын

Can this company be trusted for long term support?

@raychow5419 Ай бұрын

Waiting for the Arc 2.

@eddieevangelista6014 Ай бұрын

Same

@sirgigolo 27 күн бұрын

Didn’t mention the noise cancelling so I am assuming that it’s not that great

@lachlanlau Ай бұрын

3:37 Don't forget TV headphones have existed for years

@pickelkilla 29 күн бұрын

It’s almost like he just said that moments before the time you linked to

@lachlanlau 29 күн бұрын

@@pickelkilla he only mentioned contemporary examples not the comparatively older "TV Headphones" with base stations and long tv-esque antennas

@zabdielscoon3041 29 күн бұрын

If they sound as good as they look I think they are onto a winner. Pretty expensive but that seems the way all things are going, if they are great folks’ll buy them.

@AntonvanderWulp1970 Ай бұрын

How about accessoires ?

@googleone5867 29 күн бұрын

First question: Do they touch the ears?

@maximiIiaan Ай бұрын

Does it support multipoint?

@rutgerdezeeuw Ай бұрын

How about a microphone?

@joshuarwhitehead 25 күн бұрын

Great ad

@jackholt1265 29 күн бұрын

I'd have to see and hear them. They don't look that much more "premium" or even distinguishable than the whole pack of mid-tier headphones (Bose, Sony, Sennheiser) that dominate and have been doing it much longer. I'm not a Sonos guy, but seeing the comments on the latest version of the app, I think they will struggle to breakout of the pack.

@GGori_99 29 күн бұрын

Wow where u been Chris

@oddmadgenius850 29 күн бұрын

I am wondering if the call quality in loud environments are good. At this price point they need to be amazing. Also I hate the leather as it gets sweety on warm days I prefer the apple max ones. Let's hope apple finally gets the heads out of their assets and actually make a good over ear headphone finally 😭

@brettdomenick 23 күн бұрын

I get the anger over the app update but overall they do seem pretty solid. I don’t think I can warrant $450 on them right now, but maybe they’ll go on sale at some point.

@KarolyKrausz 29 күн бұрын

Bring back the old sonos app please.

@matthewburno 29 күн бұрын

the thing I like about the AirPods Max they are mesh and breathable not sealed like this that makes me sweat!

@Kids11111 29 күн бұрын

Exactly! My ears heat up and I can use the Max for hours on end because of the fabric pads

@matthewburno 29 күн бұрын

@@Kids11111 I don’t get why don’t everyone offer both leather like and mesh options because that’s a deal breaker for many!

@igorshingelevich7627 18 күн бұрын

Anc quality vs Sony? Mic quality?

@danielzuniga88 Ай бұрын

I don’t actually mind the app update

@tomp66 25 күн бұрын

but but but. you cant edit or add to the fecking queue! (yet “that feature coming in a later version” its the single thing that i use everyday!

@tomclaus8812 29 күн бұрын

Try looking into the camera next time

@lexbraxman9270 Ай бұрын

love the design but airpods pro 2 are always my choice for the ease

@DavidONeillIrl 23 күн бұрын

2:20 It doesn't work with "any" of the company's soundbars. Only with certain ones.

@AntoineThisdale 29 күн бұрын

omg if these have good ANC..

@lukepranger6777 29 күн бұрын

AirPods Max and Sony WM series mashup.

@user-dj6uj7ty7v Ай бұрын

Yeah how about they fix the app because my alarm is going off but I can’t turn it off

@tazmaniandarcy 15 күн бұрын

Awesome! This is what happens when the Sony XM5's and the air pods max have a baby.

@Gumbii2 27 күн бұрын

You should set your script behind the camera. It’s super distracting if you’re just talking to the side to nothing

@usmanbikiya9285 Ай бұрын

That Sonos logo placement is giving me anxiety

@atlas5459 Ай бұрын

it sits perfectly tho?

@IDiggPattyMayonnaise 29 күн бұрын

The placement is the same on all their new products.

@vincelongman3264 29 күн бұрын

Hopefully these don't have the condensation issue like the AirPods Max

@Mellowkin 29 күн бұрын

I appreciate the design, but if the passthrough sound quality doesn't match or surpass that of Apple's, they're not for me. The natural-sounding passthrough of Apple's AirPods and the Max's keeps drawing me back to them.