They Actually Banned Gliscor. But Why?

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8 ай бұрын

Pokemon Competitive Singles has been turned on it's head with the release of the "Hidden Treasure of Area Zero" DLC. Gliscor was perhaps the most powerful returning Pokemon of all. With access to Spikes now, a Defensive typing that makes it hard to pin down, and the new ability to Terastallize, Gliscor had a stranglehold on the tier.
The votes are in and the community has voted to ban Gliscor. How could this happen? This is sane.
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@jimothycool 8 ай бұрын

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@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

Enter: worry seed infiltrator jumpluff with strength sap like in bdsp eats gliscor. Lezduit

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

Tera was always an issue, it removes checks for powerful pokemon. In slower pace games it's not too bad.

@MegaUMU 8 ай бұрын

For now Europe is save from IRL Iron Mugulis, the question is for how long?

@owenblount7334 8 ай бұрын

It’s like yeah let’s get rid of gliscor because it can use spikes and not the mon that has an amazing defensive and offensive typing better steel type draco meteor and the nuh-uh to all targeted status moves including defog ability that prevents you from removing hazards

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

@@owenblount7334 gholdengo is getting weaker with each dlc. I dont use ghold and I hate em, but things like knock off came back. People sleep on assurance. Assurance+rocks can do great damage before teal mask dlc

@ShadowXeldron 8 ай бұрын

It's official - we're living in a world where Gliscor is Ubers, Tyranitar is RU and Alomomola is OU.

@Hallorenzo 8 ай бұрын

Dont forget moltres

@Aoi_Tori_ 8 ай бұрын

This is very concerning.

@mussolini2525 8 ай бұрын

This is insane folks

@user-kj3ym7hx9x 8 ай бұрын

and Garchomp in UU

@Charizardslash 8 ай бұрын

@@user-kj3ym7hx9xUUBL*

@JamorantJee-xf8yj 8 ай бұрын

My theory of the OU council just being 8 Heatrans is proven. They no longer want 8 focken Ground-types

@egekahraman8985 8 ай бұрын

but for real gen 9OU had way too many viable ground types

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

@@egekahraman8985the issue too is no HP Ice, and ice coverage is eaten by gholdengo at times.

@azeria1 8 ай бұрын

@@Dabrownman1812 terra ice or the good old reliable dusknoir ice punch

@JanusHoW 8 ай бұрын

8 Heathens and a Gholdengo.

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

@@azeria1 yup, I run Ice as much as possible. Tera Ice jolteon is solid too. 130 speed pivot. Gas weezing is okay but then he's not eq immune

@marcorodriguez8792 8 ай бұрын

Darkrai: welcome to Ubers. We welcome you with open arms. Gliscor: Thanks. This doesn't seem so bad. How often do you see usage? Darkrai: ...

@sqwong3947 8 ай бұрын

don't worry, uubers exists

@Imitationist 8 ай бұрын

@@sqwong3947 will it replace magearnus-t as the team glue? Find out next update

@Slimeonian 8 ай бұрын

I say we drop Darkrai to OU fr

@theschnozzler 8 ай бұрын

@@Slimeonianafter the dlc2 craziness settles down

@mandalorianhunter1 8 ай бұрын

@@sqwong3947it's banned from UUBERS as well

@GoldGuard 8 ай бұрын

With all this banning going on, I had a suspicion that it was the work of Iron Mugulis. But now the fact they got Gliscor now removes all doubt.

@whateveryouwantmetobe.1489 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor is such a menace I love him.

@Derppudding404 8 ай бұрын

but what if it's a ploy by iron mugulis to throw us off his trail?

@Pyrax99 8 ай бұрын

@@Derppudding404 thats the thing, pudding. it was NEVER mugulis, Old Money paid a hit on gliscor because the spikes threatened his turf

@Derevocsidi 8 ай бұрын

Gen 9 metagame is the weirdest metagame I've ever seen. I mean , Gliscor and Volcarona being in Ubers meanwhile Tyranitar and Garchomp being in RU and UUBL

@jajasking9652 8 ай бұрын

And also ribombee and alomomola on OU

@jimtsap04 8 ай бұрын

@@jajasking9652mola is genuine ou material tho even in older gens it always had a niche

@TheRRhoynar 8 ай бұрын

Funny, tytar si not Even a top Pokémon in Ru, rn he could stay in Ru easy

@xendra333 8 ай бұрын

@@TheRRhoynartbf, Ttar could fit about any tier (maybe not pu). It's not inherently broken but a good versatile mon that you can build around

@claysmith8840 8 ай бұрын

Cursed profile pic

@MikaleMahoe 8 ай бұрын

A year from now the only OU pokemon left will be Gholdengo, Tusk and Gambit; the day one Gen 9 pokemon.

@Weavileiscool 8 ай бұрын

And Iron Mugulis

@aprinnyonbreak1290 8 ай бұрын

Yes. OU becomes the defacto bottom tier, as every single pokemon is banned from OU for providing a buff to Kingambit when defeated, who threatens Gholdengo.

@QuestionableLogic_ 8 ай бұрын

Gholdengo and Gambit dodging the ban as is standard at this point lol

@metascrub285 8 ай бұрын

Gambit kinda needs it.

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

Focus sash-tidy up furret saved me vs a gholdengo in wifi battle.

@JanusHoW 8 ай бұрын

One is a king, and the other is made of money. The rich and powerful once again escaping all consequences.

@greattitan371 8 ай бұрын

@@metascrub285Kinda? It turns the game into coin flip simulator to see who's Gambit gets the game winning sucker punch first.

@DonPetexX 8 ай бұрын

The way they avoid the ban hammer is majestic to watch. Like ballerinas on the stage

@drxavier1870 8 ай бұрын

Gholdengo is like the disney twist villain where they are the secret mastermind behind everything leading up to these decisions

@nardclip6317 8 ай бұрын

And like each Disney twist villan they are super obvious to see coming but no one does anything about them

@sickomode5000 8 ай бұрын

Gholdengo is like the mf from the end of pikmin 3

@hangoverbirdman6339 8 ай бұрын

This just goes to show that Iron Mugulis has infiltrated Smogon. Every day, we move closer to its dystopian vision of the tiering system.

@lefi_is_here 8 ай бұрын

They actually banned Gliscor. This is insane.

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

Tera is part of it, the lack of ice coverage also is a thing as hidden power helped keep it in check. Terra Ice-Jolteon it goes.

@EvraeFrelia 8 ай бұрын

Yeah that and as he mentioned, Gliscor has always been an OU staple and has always been strong. Which I definitely agree with. Gliscor just has too much going on at all times, and Tera I think is really what pushed it over the edge. In addition to the shocking lack of Ice distribution this generation, so it can wreak havoc with really any of its sets including some more offensive variants, as it’s sole primary weakness for all intents and purposes is null this gen.

@Bismarck-S 8 ай бұрын

Smogon is a bunch of cry babies.

@slyfox7452 8 ай бұрын

Its insane considering that goldengo was the one enabling it

@Dabrownman1812 8 ай бұрын

@@slyfox7452 "we don't wanna ban gholdengo and tera. We can't keep banning new stuff." Dumb smogon stuff. I get peeps didnt want tera banned, but if peeps run into a tera-grass-swords dance-grassy seed rillaboom, everything unresisted gets ohko. God forbid the rocks are up

@elaias4955 8 ай бұрын

I fear gliscor’s ban will not do much against the hazard problem in OU. Gholdengo will find another hazard setter friend, and while its not too bad without poison heal it will still be an issue

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

Most likely Hisuian Samurott

@anusthing 8 ай бұрын

Hammurot and Glimmora are already seeing a boon in usage. I've run into Glimmora on at least 50% of teams I've faced since gliscor was banned. The problem was never gliscor, it's hazards. That's a taboo topic though.

@RocketPropelledMexican 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor's main issue wasn't hazards anyways. It was the fact that the best gliscor answer was another gliscor, which is never a good sign. It led to balance teams turning into pp stalling wars, which is just horrible

@HeavyHebi 8 ай бұрын

@@anusthing The problem isn't hazards, the problem is Gholdengo.

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@fractalisomega9517 8 ай бұрын

The main factor is that most others lack passive recovery, toxic, and hazards

@thebumpercar1344 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor died for Goldengho's sins. Ribombee and Samurott-H are gonna get banned before Goldengho.

@user-lq4ct6dr5m 8 ай бұрын

Gho is hiring bodyguards

@clubpenguinonds 8 ай бұрын

No, in my opinion both moms are manageable, just get a rapid spinner like great tusk

@HeavyHebi 8 ай бұрын

@@clubpenguinonds Have fun using rapid spin when I do a haha funny and send out Gholdengo, who also makes it impossible to defog.

@TheRealAquaz 8 ай бұрын

@@clubpenguinondsyeah Like you can rapid spin when your enemie has a Gholdengo and you allow it to have a free Switch in 😂😂 Like Gholdengo isn't threat enough already

@wonderfulrose477 8 ай бұрын

@@clubpenguinonds Ribombee beats tusk in 1v1. JUST BAN GHOLDENGO

@maltl0af673 8 ай бұрын

People will look back in future metagames and wonder why gholdengo wasnt banned sooner

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

Even if Gholdengo got banned Gliscor may still be banned since it can still be irritating to deal with even without Gholdengo

@owenblount7334 8 ай бұрын

Fuck you mean look back we were saying that before

@TheRealAquaz 8 ай бұрын

@@Astralreaper7955yeah but it's not AS much of a threat anymore then. Like how in Gen 5-6 it was also nasty but handable. Yeah it can Terra now but still, there are better Terra abusers

@vivillonenthusiast781 8 ай бұрын

@@TheRealAquazyes it is. Gliscor still has a grand total of 2 answers in OU, itself and Corvi. Banning Ghold only means Corvi's defog can't be blocked, but it still can barely harm Gliscor, now instead of punishing Corvi with Ghold, Magnezone or a Competitive/Defiant Mon will. The problem about Gliscor isn't that it makes hazard stacking worse (although it does), the problem is that it has no good answers and can always force progress. That's not to say that Ghold isn't broken, just that Gliscor is broken regardless. Out of all hazard setters, Gliscor is by far one of the least Ghold reliant.

@TheRealAquaz 8 ай бұрын

@@vivillonenthusiast781 yeah but what made Glis so impactfull? Was it the Ban of legit every Ice mon? Only Legends know. And yeah I know that you can Tera Glis but still, thats fine as it takes away another Tera Target. Also thats the whole point of Tera. Glis got so oppressive by beeing handed a quasi get out of jail free card or in this case mire of an "Play the devil in a metagame where exorcism is illegal". And yeah I know Ice furret and Bax are power creeped af but still. I think this Gen would be healthier with more top Tier Pokemon and 5-8Turn Weather wars again than the way it is now. I mean look ad ADV metagame where after 10+ years the metagame is shifting again and again and new outs come to the light of day to counter the nuissances from Yesterday. I think the suspect votes / banns are to quick ( except in a few cases like Mr. Elemantal Hero Dolphin, oh wait this wasnt Yu-Gi-Oh 😅 ). Edit. - Well much rant about the Gliscor Bann I know. Im mostly just salty to not be allowed to use my Full offensive choice scarfed Gliscor in OU, because that thing was fucking fun to use

@TwoHeadedMeerkat 8 ай бұрын

I think one of the worst side-effects of Gliscor being banned to Ubers is that I've seen a concerning uptick of Garganacl use in OU...Even worse, a Garganacl + Alomomola tag-team

@bmac4 8 ай бұрын

"No ice type moves anymore" Well yeah they keep banning the good ones! Justified or not, Baxcalibur, Calyrex-Ice, Regieleki (who Teras Ice), Iron Bundle, Chien-Pao, there's 1 Ice type left in OU! They practically set this up for themselves.

@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 8 ай бұрын

The ice types are on a revolving conveyor belt anyways, they always get replaced by that one ice type in the back

@itsyaboi1245 8 ай бұрын

Ice types are either lowtier dogshit or broken ass ubers lmao

@a-s-greig 8 ай бұрын

@@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8Meaning, eventually Articuno will rise again...

@gibleEKvids 8 ай бұрын

in your dreams pal@@a-s-greig

@Weavileiscool 8 ай бұрын

@@a-s-greigNot quite lol

@matthewuttecht1748 8 ай бұрын

Rest in peace a real one, gliscor made it

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

I pray for his success in Ubers ( btw he is B+ so that's decent )

@shinji1264 8 ай бұрын

@@Astralreaper7955he gone get bullied, free my ninja gliscor

@guilhermes.r9366 8 ай бұрын

This is actually part of Iron Mugulis' plan to ban and remove every ground-type on the tier, so that its 4x weakness becomes no longer a problem

@IoannesPetrvs 8 ай бұрын

I really want Gliscor in OU, just to see Lando-T fall to UU.

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

Or atleast wait till lando t drops to UU then you can do something to Gliscor

@aegisScale 8 ай бұрын

Clearly this ban was a ploy by the cult of Lando-T to remove its competition and thus secure its place in the meta once more . . . I mean, why else would Gliscor, a fine Ground-Flying type filling a similar role to Lando, be so unfairly targeted? (Okay full disclosure I know there are other reasonable reasons, but this conspiracy angle is incredibly funny to me)

@pikminman13 8 ай бұрын

I want the opposite I’m happy to see gliscor get banned because I want Lando to stay

@localidiot2777 8 ай бұрын

It would fall to UU then quick banned in less than a minute.

@shinji1264 8 ай бұрын

@@aegisScaleAll kneel b4 king Lando! I said kneel! 👹

@boop53 8 ай бұрын

i think the fact the council banned every good ice type is why gliscor was too much lol

@redwarrior118 8 ай бұрын

To be fair Bax and Chien Pao were definitely overpowered

@iantaakalla8180 8 ай бұрын

That is the problem with Ice types. They either suck or are overpowered, and there is no in-between, and that line is very thin. A line that only the Gen 4 Ice Pokémon sit upon, and Arctozolt.

@enderluckjarmg985 8 ай бұрын

@@iantaakalla8180 and arctozolt??? 😭😭😭

@Blackhomeking12 8 ай бұрын

Chien pao with its broken ability ohko/2hko anything that wasn’t a steel type and baxcalibur not needing to commit to DD for speed anymore not exactly the best ti play around

@MagikarpPower 8 ай бұрын

weavile didn't have a lot of time to come up

@georgeerniej 8 ай бұрын

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@segafreak2000 8 ай бұрын

At this point I can't help but to think of YGO - Konami and Halq, to be precise. While Halq got banned after years, until then it got several tuners banned which enabled Halq, while it was always obvious that Halq was the actual problem card. We're seeing this very thing play out in gen 9 here, just that Halq is Gholdengo.

@spencerweiss6337 8 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@igrb 8 ай бұрын

I'm sure the old Smogon CUO (Chief Utility Officer) Landorous-t pulled some strings with his influence to get this one over the line. For legal reasons this is a joke.

@redfieldwong717 8 ай бұрын

I know why. I was so mad when I got crab hammered by a gliscor. Turns out he got it this generation, and it really threw me off. I already set up a rain dance so my Scizor could tank a fire fang. Then switched in my talon flame, then proceeded to crab hammer it. They gave this thing too much coverage.

@aldwych285 8 ай бұрын

How INSANE was this ban ACTUALLY?

@-.-Infinity-.- 8 ай бұрын

Gen 9 is gonna end up like Gen 5. A Broken metagame where mons won't be banned because "They are the identity" of the metagame. Honestly this ban just shows how good hazards have become. Which is the fault of Gholdengo's good as gold. Which is wrapping the entire OU meta but everyone loves new toys

@gregorymirabella1423 8 ай бұрын

Gholdengo doesn't effect hazards as much as you think. If it was done all we would get is Corviknight's defog.

@ThetaWindfall 8 ай бұрын

@@gregorymirabella1423and rapid spin and mortal spin too

@Gold_Gamer_100 8 ай бұрын

@@gregorymirabella1423True, but Defog actually exists post-Ghold ban, so that can give us some leniency, at least. Also, Mandibuzz and Conkeldurr get Defog...Yeah, so pretty much Corviknight

@lukebytes5366 8 ай бұрын

More like a specific mechanic exclusive to the generation, regardless of how broken and centralizing it is.

@HeavyHebi 8 ай бұрын

@@gregorymirabella1423 Gholdenngo also blocks rapid spin.

@saltmines5761 8 ай бұрын

Of course this has happened after Iron Mugulis’s move to the real world. Iron Fellow might have made some moves in the Future Mug’s absence.

@toukopaavolainen3566 8 ай бұрын

I personally would love a deepdive into a not-so-played tier like gen 9 zu, which is on the formats list.

@Mage_Nichlas_ 8 ай бұрын

Seeing Gliscor getting the axe while Golden String Cheese Man lives makes me very happy I don't play Gen 9 competitive. In the few times I've played the only new format I care about, being National Dex OU, Gholdengo is a massive frustration so I can't imagine the agony of it staying in the restricted standard OU. It's like Yugioh's Skill Drain, Imperial Order, and Royal Decree. Completely shutting off 1/3rd of the entire game from affecting it is an astronomically infuriating concept for little to no cost. There's no reason I should not be able to Leech Seed, Hypnosis, or *GROWL* the String Cheese Man.

@DarkAuraLord 8 ай бұрын

I've been saying this since day 1 - Ghold's ability in particular, combined with it's absurd typing, movepool, and stat spread make it an obvious problem. It's apt that you mentioned the floodgates of yugioh, because Ghold's ability, along with a few other such as Arena Trap and Shadow Tag, are all really shitty to deal with for the same core reason - they are inherently non-interactive. In yugioh, like 80% of decks need their spells, and an even higher amount need their monster effects, so floodgating those out entirely leaves the person with what essentially amounts to no recourse and leaves the floodgate user to quickly sweep up after the opponent is forced to pass. Mechanics in competitive battling, like being able to SWITCH, and being able to control the other teams hazards are as vital to being able to *play* the battle as the aforementioned cards are in yugioh.

@coltermasson8124 8 ай бұрын

It’s honestly ridiculous and probably the reason why everyone is switching to play gen 3 😂😂😂😂😂

@skullguy4863 8 ай бұрын

Ghold inst hard to deal with once you learn it's switch in patterns Ghold will always switch in on a spinner and always switches out when a mon than tanks make it rain and can ko it comes in

@N12015 8 ай бұрын

I'm sure you meant WAS. Gholdengo got banned by the skin of a teeth in BH (41/68. 40/67 wouldn't be enough) at the beginning of this month and... Yeah, it was indeed the main problem alongside Baxcalibur and Bloodmoon, as well as why hazards were opressive. Can't believe I'm saying this but atm NatDex IS BETTER THAN OU.

@Akumo69 8 ай бұрын

Welp, it's official. I'm not playing gen 9 ever again. The meta shifts are way too drastic.

@anusthing 8 ай бұрын

If we are going to be fully honest here, the problem has always been hazards being OP. Now that knock off is back, we are seeing them be even more powerful. I was really hoping defog would come back, but it seems they are trying to limit that as well.

@HeavyHebi 8 ай бұрын

The real problem here is Gholdengo, who blocks the most important hazard removal tools in the metagame.

@Blanktester685 8 ай бұрын

It's not tho hazards have been around for over 15 years with no problem.

@teddywarlock5379 8 ай бұрын

And we've always had a check to get rid of them. The fact Gholdengo can block both Rapid Spin because it's a Ghost type and its ability blocks Defog just makes hazard stacking so much easier. I've always said it, Gholdengo has been the problem for Singles day 1.

@DIRTkat_ofc 8 ай бұрын

Hazards aren't op, most don't affect flying types, or levitate, and t-spikes can be absorbed with a switch in, a lot of mons can switch in stealth rocks with barely any trouble, and if the problem is removing them in front of a gholdengo, it's singles my guy, remove the gholdengo, it's usually frail specially, and cam barely tank an earthquake with max EVs in hp

@jaretco6423 8 ай бұрын

Remember when Stealth Rock use to be the worst thing about Pokemon?

@oggolbat7932 8 ай бұрын

How the hell was Gliscor banned but Gholdengo is still in OU??? Its ability makes it the single most meta defining mon. I mean it's Gholdengo's fault Gliscor is banned. If it wasn't for him I doubt Gliscor would even reach OU.

@breloommaster12 8 ай бұрын

This is a garbage take lmao; Gliscor is literally *THE LEAST* Ghold-reliant hazard setter in the meta since it can just outlast or even 1v1 the large majority of hazard removers in the meta anyway, it's just that Ghold helps it regardless. Gliscor may simply be _the best_ at abusing Gholdengo support, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Gliscor itself isn't just way too good at its job in its own right. It puts the likes of Ting-Lu and even Gen 5/6 Deoxys-Defense to shame.

@joyhitimana2928 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor doesn't need gholdengo

@MuffoonMayham 8 ай бұрын

You Smogon players really like your hazards, huh 💀

@breloommaster12 8 ай бұрын

@@MuffoonMayham if we did, Gliscor wouldn't have been banned so.....

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

@@MuffoonMayhamI do like Hazards but I will admit Gliscor is a bit much and will be even after Gholdengo gets banned no good ice type Pokemon weavile mamoswine the meta is too hostile for them Chien-Pao is banned from OU even so Gliscor can Tera so I agree with you

@josidfin 8 ай бұрын

This was a really nicely done video; I appreciate your elaboration and context

@Glidus 8 ай бұрын

can't fucking believe they would do this to me

@joao20able 8 ай бұрын

Couldn't you use Alohan Ninetails with Freeze Dry? Ice Beam probably works too but FD prevents getting walled by Tera Water I'd say and you can setup A.Veil as an added bonus.

@TheRealAquaz 8 ай бұрын

Have fun against my offensive choice scarf poison Jab Gliscor :D oh wait it got banned 😭😭

@azeria1 8 ай бұрын

Hmm I wonder who keeps banning ground types wouldn’t be a certain fire steel type also introduced in gen 4

@DJPrimeAmvs 8 ай бұрын

It's Iron Mugulis and Old Money

@DynaTheCryo 8 ай бұрын

Or that money man

@unoriginal2552 8 ай бұрын

This ban can just be summed up as: "no HP ice, flying ground type too hard to deal with"

@vanjagalovic3621 8 ай бұрын

Nah, Lando-T isn't doing that great RN. The lack of reliable hazzard removal is the main reason why Gliscor was so strong.

@HeavyHebi 8 ай бұрын

@@vanjagalovic3621 The reason there's no reliable hazard removal is due to one Gholden pokemon, that I can't for the life of me, remember it's name.

@breloommaster12 8 ай бұрын

@@HeavyHebi even without Gholdengo's presence, Gliscor still has a favourable matchup against Cinderace and Tusk (two of the most popular removers), while Corvi can be easily punished with either Magnezone or some Competitive/Defiant Pokemon due to how telegraphed it is. Other hazard removers I can think of like Mandibuzz and Galarian Weezing can still lose to Gliscor too, so even many existing options don't all match up well against Gliscor in a Ghold-less meta. This thing is banned for (many) a reason.

@akshayreddy4071 8 ай бұрын

@vanjagalovic3621 there is a decent amount of reliable Hazzard removal, just doesn't fucking matter when coin man kills any form of Hazzard temoval

@breloommaster12 8 ай бұрын

@@akshayreddy4071 Gliscor itself kills most forms of hazard removal, and those it cannot kill are pretty easily taken advantage of

@linkedketchup124 8 ай бұрын

In the entire video you never even mentioned why gliscor got banned just that it was crazy that he did

@justinfabela4899 8 ай бұрын

Can we get a vid on the return of Ceruledge? Im curious to know why its suddenly being used again. Is it cause Rilaboom is back?

@moorebetter 8 ай бұрын

Just wanted to say I'm loving the content man, def my favorite new poketuber. This is insane.

@slemded 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor is banned from OU folks.

@vanochristian7639 8 ай бұрын

I cannot believe this is real.

@760_torr 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor seems like a regular old Pokemon

@uwuwevwevwe 8 ай бұрын

it's been OU for generations

@foxshinehiyaa3933 8 ай бұрын

Over a decade

@connorfries8297 8 ай бұрын

And now it’s banned from competitive singles!

@Cassapphic 8 ай бұрын

The number of bans feels so silly at this point, even if each case by case in a vaccum makes sense, when looking at everything as a whole, there really needs to be a better thought put into the format as a whole, maybe there needs to be a split of OU into two tiers becasue just constantly pointing fingers somewhere and going "this is the problem" over and over and over again isnt actually going to fix the meta.

@i_like_chomp6382 8 ай бұрын

Well lets be honest Smogon OU is a fake metagame, the Pomemon Company does not balance around 6v6 singles and never will. This is just what's naturally going to happen when game developers and their community are completley seperated.

@Cassapphic 8 ай бұрын

@@i_like_chomp6382 I think as someone who thinks comp and vgc are both cool but mostly from the outside primarily as a fgc and tcg player, this is the biggest disconnect for me, I see complaints about dynamax is broken or tera is broken and think "thats the game's unique mechanic are you gonna try to spurn anything thats new rather than adjust to play around it while its here? People complained about v trigger in sfv but rarely even considered banning it and that game's lifespan was double the average pokemon gen" but if trying to basically force a game to fit a box it was never designed around, it does make more sense discussions like this would come up, even if I feel "how do we make this game a fun 6v6 singles format" should be a better question than "how do we make this game like some mythical concept of balance from the mid gen days"

@bryansoares8319 8 ай бұрын

I wonder if the problem is that more/new tiers are needed, with all the power creep and new mons over the decades, maybe OU to Uber needs to be spaced out a bit(if not even the other tiers)

@F14thunderhawk 8 ай бұрын

Single's tiering needs an almost complete redesign more akin to Little Cup's philosophy, create distinct format types rather then just throw lvl 50/100 pokemon at eachother.

@blackout995 8 ай бұрын

How are Dengho and Gambit still in OU. Can someone explain it to me in a way that makes sense?

@levonleban6252 8 ай бұрын

Move pool changes and utility creep made Gliscor straight up better than every other ground type.

@7raziel7 8 ай бұрын

Always wanted LandoT banned but gliscor getting bannned first is just mind-blowing

@marsonlinebb 8 ай бұрын

tbh if this kind of instability continues after the dlc finishes coming out does tera get banned? I think its a very interesting mechanic that gives the gen its own identity but it also just seems to break so many things that are fundamental to how the game is played and makes the general balance between mons extremely volatile imo

@danielsmith5032 8 ай бұрын

You also have an amazing opportunity to make a “that’s insane” mug. I would 100% buy one of those lol.

@MichaelBleggi 8 ай бұрын

It brings into question whether qualified players are truly qualified, or if they’re really just voting on stuff that they find annoying rather than actual imbalance.

@jdrmanmusiqking 8 ай бұрын

This describes the Smogon community to a tee. They are only banning stuff they find annoying and are too trash/lazy to find solutions

@FraserSouris 8 ай бұрын

Wasn’t it by a vote tho? Like, players as a whole voted to ban Gliscor. Gliscor also had crazy good usage as well. If you don’t ban him, then matches often devolve into stalling Gliscor Mirror matches which is normally a pretty good sign that something is broken

@DynaTheCryo 8 ай бұрын

@@FraserSouris before it was banned I actually used gliscor for offense, preventing this kind of stuff from happening

@DynaTheCryo 8 ай бұрын

@@jdrmanmusiqking kinda reminds me of something I heard of a League of Legends mod or dev making certain characters more powerful or making characters he lost to weaker out of his own preferences. He’s probably worse, but his thing seems somewhat similar to what’s going on here

@wailmoregd140 8 ай бұрын

According to Finchinator (OU Leader), Gholdengo will likely be the next suspect they do, and the reason they did Gliscor first was because it received more support for a ban than Gholdengo did on the most recent community survey. So before you complain, remember, you voted to suspect Gliscor first, and if you didn’t vote, then you should for future surveys, the OU council wants your opinions to help make decisions for the community and for the good of the tier.

@TheRealAquaz 8 ай бұрын

But I voted for Gholdengo and am fine with Gliscor 😭😭

@epicwuexcaliburumbra1736 8 ай бұрын

So after Gholdengo Kingambit aka I’m not gonna sugercoat it might be next?

@sideways5153 8 ай бұрын

The practical issue with all democratic process: voter turnout.

@duelme1234 8 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm tired of all the people bitching about tiering decisions yet didn't even try to get their recs. I get that some are busy and all that, but no way only 100 something people had the time to do it when there are thousands of people complaining. And no, I don't think all of the counsels decisions are correct, I just respect the suspect vote results enough (for the most part).

@MagikarpPower 8 ай бұрын

I don't play OU I just like to complain

@travisowens8905 8 ай бұрын

i can see him coming back later when the utility move that applies heal block comes in the game. it could be a huge counter that it will make gliscor go tera dark.

@sassafrassanid5718 8 ай бұрын

Oh no! What am I going to do without a powerful Ground-Flying type with a bunch of utility moves and versatile sets!?

@victorvandermilte5857 8 ай бұрын

So what is the philosophy here? Surely all of these bans can't be "overcentralizing", there are more spot bans in Gen 9 than entire OU tiers in other generations.

@vivillonenthusiast781 8 ай бұрын

Domino effect is a thing. When you remove the current broken Mon, the next most broken can flourish and be banned next, leaving the next most broken Mon to flourish and repeat the cycle.

@DisastrousIntentionally 8 ай бұрын

@@vivillonenthusiast781 Also, banning so many Pokemon can outright remove another Pokemon's counters. We banned all the good ice types so Gliscor barely had any answers.

@ZeroKitsune 8 ай бұрын

@@vivillonenthusiast781 I usually see this argument used by dumb people who can't comprehend the idea of bans as a concept, but in this case I think you're right.

@rajkanishu 8 ай бұрын

I wonder if a pseudo legendary Ice type could have somewhat kept it in check, too bad we will never know

@whatgoeshere24 8 ай бұрын

it did and it thrashed the whole meta (twice)

@jeweledmoon5567 8 ай бұрын

Jimothy Cool is like the only thing keeping me up to date on gen 9 OU

@zarzu4 8 ай бұрын

Love the mix of gliscor and glaiscor pronunciation, keeps me on the edge of my seat

@harrydsgn 8 ай бұрын

Jimothy Cool super fans rushing to the comments section to be the first one to type out either the first sentence in the vid or ‘this is insane’: 🏃🏃🏃🏃

@senny- 8 ай бұрын

This is insane

@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838 8 ай бұрын

They banned gliscor but SS clef dodged 2 suspect tests pre crown tundra. And pex too!

@wxcvbndu51 8 ай бұрын

I swear this Iron Mugulis looks so sick it might be the first youtuber merch I actually buy (well if it becomes available in EU), despite not even owning the gen 9 games and never having played gen 9 OU lol

@joefarrow1599 8 ай бұрын

They should let Zigzagoon get the items back, because it's like Knock Off and Pick Up

@2010AZ 8 ай бұрын

The question now is how will Gliscor do in UUbers ?

@enderdestroyer-mr7nh 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor is banned from Uubers since it’s usage in regular ubers is higher than 4.52%, not to mention gliscor is actually good in ubers

@naganut9718 8 ай бұрын

@@enderdestroyer-mr7nhwait really? Good for it

@gbpooky 8 ай бұрын

Hmm, I wonder (Gholdengo) if there is maybe some kind (Gholdengo) of problem pokemon that is enabling overpowered hazard strategies (Gholdengo) with no recourse (Gholdengo) that has just been sneaking by (Gholdengo) since the release of the game without even a single suspect (Gholdengo). Surely it's all the other pokemon that are the problem

@drainstorM11 8 ай бұрын

Big problem is that Gholdengo blocks all hazard removal and even Court Change, so something that would help is another damage move that clears hazards but one that's Psychic or something. That way, it's impossible for one Pokemon to block all of them at the same time

@grizzaalto 8 ай бұрын

I’m calling it now folks, when the DLC drops Walrein will have his time in the OU sun. It will be insane.

@spencerweiss6337 8 ай бұрын

Seconding before it’s too late

@kylehendricksilveralvin5376 8 ай бұрын

People were just scared of the greatness of Weezing-Galar to keep Gholdengo and Gliscor in check and didn't see the real hero of OU, Weezing sweep 💪💪💪💪💪

@aetherblackbolt1301 8 ай бұрын

Terra needs a suspect test after the dlcs are done, and then the gen 9 OUBL reset to try out the tier again.

@stardestroyer453 8 ай бұрын

Wasn’t the last defense Pokémon to be banned from OU mega sableye from gen 6. If I’m missing something from gen 7 or 8, let me know because I’m genuinely curious.

@breloommaster12 8 ай бұрын

Gliscor is banned for fairly similar reasons as Deoxys-Defense in the past; it was simply way too hard to stop them from setting up hazards. Except while Deo-D mostly just went for the suicide hazard role (aka no Recover) to set up hazards ASAP, Gliscor can stick around for the entire game.

@michaelcorser4350 8 ай бұрын

Feels like a new OU could be created out of all the bans that have happened in this gen

@Wonderlvnd 8 ай бұрын

Ubers should just become the new “OU”/standard metagame and anything OP gets banned to AG.

@CivilizedWasteland 8 ай бұрын

@@Wonderlvnd Agreed. Also the lower tiers need to be cleaned up there's no point in ranking viability by usage if there's hardly anyone playing the tier in the first place. Probably would do fine just going back to four tiers AG, OU, UU, RU.

@thelegendaryhunter0 8 ай бұрын

I think they are making uuubers so that might happen

@robertomartinsvalero6097 8 ай бұрын

As a spectador, this metagame is intertaining

@HelloHelloHellobby 8 ай бұрын

Especially if the final DLC adds a decent amount of new stuff, I really feel like they should retest a bunch of stuff. Also if they ever change the rules for Tera, like making it viewable in team preview (like VGC kinda which has open team sheet), then retesting a bunch of stuff would also make sense. Hidden Tera really helps boosting sweepers be that extra bit broken.

@ArcturusAlpha 8 ай бұрын

what i would love to see for the main line games is to see some of these different tier formats. because like you said tera isnt the problem with the power creep meta pokemon. for me tera is more fun and interesting with the lesser used mons that have have good tools but bad typing. id just love to play a match where im not against urshifu, fluttermane, etc.

@AdaptiveReasoning 8 ай бұрын

I think they're doing too many bans this gen. Something is either off with the pokemon/Terra or the mindset of the higher level players, and I've watched the arc of thought over time and I think maybe Smogon might have gone a bit too far because the game design shifted just enough under the hood and what worked before doesn't work now. My advice is to unban everything that isn't a mythical or box legendary that's currently in Ubers and don't touch it for a block of two or three months. Then when bans are discussed don't ban more than two pokemon at a time, or at least a small set number so the meta players can adjust and have time to look for starts. It's too chaotic right now.

@Omar_ZX 8 ай бұрын

NOOOOO MY SON, RIGHT BEFORE I GOT TO USE HIM AS WELL

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

If there is a slimmer of hope for Gliscor it's actually good in Ubers

@willjoyce5013 8 ай бұрын

A lot of the current banlist are Pokemon that were rebanned, I expect Gliscor to be back on the list again later if unbanned

@groundcontrol0597 8 ай бұрын

Do you think it would be healthy to introduce a new tier? Splitting OU between high OU and low OU?

@yoshineitor 8 ай бұрын

This gen is all over the place, too many non-legendary new mons are ending up in Ubers, shoutouts to Gamefreak.

@lacuevadelosrpg4070 8 ай бұрын

It's not Gamefreak fault that people still want to play 6vs6 singles with a shit ton of no sense rules when the game is clearly designed around VGC rules

@SPZ-gv2on 8 ай бұрын

@@lacuevadelosrpg4070Not like vgc is healthier really. Flutter mane has been over 60% usage in what, 5 formats now? Doubles just gives slightly more room to play around the brokens, it doesn't make them not broken.

@lacuevadelosrpg4070 8 ай бұрын

@@SPZ-gv2on You are proving my point by acknowledging that in VGC you can play against broken pokemon without problems

@ZeroKitsune 8 ай бұрын

@@lacuevadelosrpg4070 Yeah, how dare people want to play a video game using a method that the game itself absolutely supports. So unreasonable.

@breloommaster12 8 ай бұрын

@@lacuevadelosrpg4070 who said there aren't problems? Those broken mons are just harder to play around than most, but a Pokemon doesn't need to be "invincible" to be broken. You can probably beat the likes of Calyrex-Shadow and Mega Rayquaza in Doubles better compared to Singles, but that doesn't make them any less bonkers to fight.

@underthedice1231 8 ай бұрын

When are we just going to recognize that Terra is the problem?

@coper2098 8 ай бұрын

Gholdengo has been granted Hide and Seek World Champion status for his ability to avoid the ban list

@ignacioperez5479 8 ай бұрын

i wonder, how many bans could be reverted if they ban goldengo?

@chester1882 8 ай бұрын

I think when the correct play in a Glis V Glis is to stay in so your other pokemon dont get toxiced or Uturned and PP stall the other Glis - yeah the mon needs to be banned. Suspect Gholdengo now?

@dynosgarcia7645 8 ай бұрын

Just knock everpokemon starting from UUbers down a tier and let nature do it's job from then, seriously if you need to keep baning pokemon constantly, maybe you are keeping OU at a lower power level than it really should have

@aer5853 8 ай бұрын

ghold has made me start using cinderace which is genuinely amazing and underused in the metagame, both in ND and gen 9 ou

@timo.646 8 ай бұрын

I think is was a big mistake not retesting Tera. If Tera is banned the meta goes an alternative Route which is more healthy maybe than ban one and antoher mon

@TheCounterTeamer 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately this has the side effect of hurting lower tiers a lot where Tera is significantly more balanced. Maybe this means that it’s a mons problem 🤔

@ZeroKitsune 8 ай бұрын

@@TheCounterTeamer You...don't have to ban Tera in every format, you know. And I'm pretty sure the patently absurd number of bans go to show that it's NOT a mons problem. Seemingly no matter how many mons you ban, it doesn't fix anything.

@rajkanishu 8 ай бұрын

Tera is 100% the problem lol it's been like this since the beginning, I think they are just not doing anything on purpose to see how ridicolous the situation can get, they can't be d this dull unironically

@LetterSequence. 8 ай бұрын

I think the plan is to just unban 90% of the bans for the DLC, to give everything a fair shot once GameFreak adds everything back into the game. Some stuff like Chi-Yu will obviously stay banned but with 100 new Pokemon added and several new legends/paradox mons, may as well let it become a sandbox and reban everything one by one.

@latrodectusmactans7592 8 ай бұрын

I have no idea what is going on anymore.

@jonathansiryk5044 8 ай бұрын

Can anyone explain why Pokémon are banned entirely from a tier(s) instead of allowing their other configurations to be played? Why wasn’t Blaze Blaziken allowed in lower tiers in previous gens or Gen 9 Hyper Cutter Gliscor allowed in a tier like UU or RU depending on where it’s usage places it? I believe if not for Poison Heal Gliscor is very manageable.

@Brandonutss 8 ай бұрын

Because that level of micromanaging would be annoying af to deal with in the teambuilder. Also it could just snowball into micromanaging the tiniest of details like why not ban mewtwo from learning psychic, or make it where it cant use evs, or ban mewtwo from battling at a level higher than 75 etc etc

@franciscopereira7798 8 ай бұрын

These mfs gonna ban the whole ou format next, just watch

@roakification 8 ай бұрын

This ban was literally - gholdengo prevents hazzard from being removed and sneasler can therefore sweep effortlessly, so we better ban gliscor.

@lostone9700 7 ай бұрын

Ice spinner is on everything. Does it get toxic?

@buubaku 8 ай бұрын

How many mil does iron mugulis hold?

@blackestyang7528 8 ай бұрын

I like the part where gholdengo said "IT'S GOLDIN' TIME" and proceeded to gold gliscor out of the tier

@genarftheunfuni5227 8 ай бұрын

Gen 9 OU is such a bizarre tier. It's fun sometimes, but the fun goes away because smogon LOVES to ban any popular Pokemon asap instead of adapting to it.

@vanjagalovic3621 8 ай бұрын

Literally Kingambit. Its been the best mon in OU for a while and it hasn't gotten banned

@Straven93 8 ай бұрын

@@vanjagalovic3621weird, it's like people voted not to ban it

@Lightstation_ 8 ай бұрын

And Kinggambit is still fine in OU?

@indigodegelder 8 ай бұрын

I cant believe that gholdengo and tusk are not banned but gliscor is. Ghold is so broken imo, decent alround stats, great offensive and defensive typing, great stab moves in shadowball and make it rain, reliable recovery, pretty good coverage moves even without tera(gleam, thunderbolt,focus blast, psycic), status imunity, setup moves, versitility with its scarf trick set, baloon set or covertcloak set being either defensive or settup sweeper. And it is probably one of the big reasonns why the meta is hazard stacking with HO, imunity to both rapidspin AND defog in a metagame where those moves are somewhat limited compared to before while they have increased the distribution of spikes. If gholdengo was banned i think gliscor would not even be top 10 used in OU let alone be banned. In my eyes ghold is more meta defining then gliscor.

@johnblunt6693 8 ай бұрын

I like gliscore more than the next guy but he probably would have gotten banned without ghold. Also tusk isnt broken, its the best rapid spinner in the game which is why it sees so much play not because it does something unfair

@blastthechaos6083 8 ай бұрын

Imagine if it had Roost again too

@laurelbrodhurst7313 8 ай бұрын

Imagine if it kept Defog!

@Astralreaper7955 8 ай бұрын

@@laurelbrodhurst7313it's gonna be A tier in Ubers

@iantaakalla8180 8 ай бұрын

Imagine if healing moves were not 8 PP max.

@skeetermania3202 8 ай бұрын

Protect may actually be better since it has double the PP and can scout Choice items better.

@Aeirion 8 ай бұрын

I think it's just difficult to balance a fair and fun metagame when power creep has gotten this crazy. They're doing their best, and I can respect that.