Update: I got the credits and super wheelspin rewards and they asked me again about the prize car. They are still completely silent about the cheating attempt and coverup which was the main point of this video.

Honestly pretty sad from PTG. Dude high up gets caught cheating and doubles down, then bans you and deletes all evidence. Doesnt exactly scream innocent lmao

So, a member of a well-known Forza team (PTG outlaw) got caught cheating the team's own time trial challenge, and when they were confronted they denied everything, banned you from their DC server, and tried deleting all the evidence? Jeez, that couldn't have been handled in a more sketchy way. This is embarrassing.

A quick summary from another person who was in that event, a few of us had been going back and forth with 39-38 second times then he posted that time out of nowhere with no prior talk of trying it, I asked what tune he used and he gave a rwd purist tune (absolutely no off-road capabilities) and immediately some of us were skeptical, then we asked if he had a clip, I thought it was necessary seen as one of the rules was that you were required to use a ptg paintjob but without a clip you’d never see it so why would you need to use it? Ptgs response was that it was just a honestly thing and no clip was required. After a few of us asked more questions they tried to quiet us by saying that a ptg member wouldn’t cheat and we were being “accusative” then sepi came with his run and it went quiet after that

Lmfao. They are fucked up. You did nice job of exposing them. Actually there are lots of discord servers operating like this.

"Yes, I got a time 2 seconds faster than anyone else." "Of course I didn't clip it, are you crazy?"

Cheaters are easy to spot: they refuse to prove they are legitimate. Honest winners are not only willing but EAGER to prove the legitimacy of their victory. I was accused of cheating on tests as a kid in school because I rarely did homework yet aced tests regularly; I told the suspicious teachers to give me another test. Some would. I would ace that too. They would then shut up. When someone goes out of their way to silence accusations rather than prove their innocence, that's usually all the proof I need.

This is terrible. Props to you for doing something about it, hope this gets resolved.

Makes you wonder how many other events they’ve cheated in

This is incredibly embarrassing and I'd never expect this from PTG. It's such a meaningless thing but it's just the shear pettiness of what they did it makes this hilarious to me

Glad you made a video on this to expose their corruption. Was about time people saw what really happens.

why am I not surprised in the slightest that a team supported by forza themselves does this?

this is sad that they work with forza themselves and they never noticed... i feel like every time should come with a replay file saving the inputs of the driver as well as the environement we play in. Then (if possible) having a way to simulate these input so the game would know if it is doable with the game physic and car upgrade/tune

I’m glad you exposed them. Absolutely hate groups that do this… and they’re supported by FH5 devs! What the hell!

Man these Forza teams are a mess. Toxicity, lack of order, and now even cheating over some prizes that aren't even real money. It bothers me a lot and that's why I don't join any team or do any competitive FH5 stuff. Also I'm glad that you decided to speak for your own interests and stand up for your beliefs and not let other people control or silence you. You are not just a good racer but also a wholesome person and content creator. Thank you very much Sepi.

After getting the Forza Community Team Message today where they try to push a PTG Peel P50 livery on us I just had to go and submit a ticket on this topic. I did use both your vids from YT, Sepi, as evidence... I hope it was ok.

PTG = Past Tense Gamers It’s sad that the Forza community has come to this man...

PTG, you should be ashamed. Can't say it surprises me though. A lot of people in this game, teams included, are extremely toxic. Even just drag racing I've had people message me out of frustration to loosing over a damn game. I've been a forza player since the motorsport 2 and I'm in my 40's now, I just play and tune for fun. I'm starting to play less and less of forza these days, just not as fun anymore. Thanks for putting this out there Sepi, I enjoy your tunes and content. Hopefully PTG will deal with consequence for the crap they pulled here.

I mean the only plausible reason I can think of as to why you'd even cheat in your own competition with in-game rewards, is someone's colossal ego?

Thanks for sharing! I hate every kind of cheating in every online if not competitive game. If they want to cheat they can do that in single player. That will destroy only there own game experience. Publishers have to punish cheaters to protect the normal fair players 👍

Good work sepi he's well exposed. 👍

I'm completely outside of the loop in these matters of Forza competitive teams and prize competitions, I barely play the game, I never knowingly watched a video of yours before, meaning it was by pure chance that youtube recommended me your video. After reading a few comments I just felt compelled to say: You came off perfectly reasonable in my opinion, it seems like some people are saying awful baseless things about your community and yourself, and I believe they should be dealing with these bad actors instead of telling you to delete the video, or saying your community is bad. I hope you keep the video up and end up getting some kind of response Have a good one.

It's sad to know that there are people who cheat in their own tournaments...

That's much in the same vein as Playground themselves When they realised they couldn't fix the FH4 exploit and started banning people for using it And when I brought it up during one of their streams I was banned from commenting on it

Forza Devs themself wont go after cheaters nor do they delete cheated/glitched leaderboards. has been a thing for forever, they rather go for some cool blokes who create some animu tiddie liverys or whatever is offensive to them on that day

Stuff like this happens ALL THE TIME, luckily they did it to the wrong person who had enough of a following, the right equipment, and recorded everything.

Had to watch again just to make sure the guy really says "It's entirely possible I mis-clicked the downloaded tune". That's a keeper. Nice job calling them out.

The gift that keeps on giving, glad I went back to FH4/FH3. If nothing else at least I don't have to deal with game breaking updates every month.

really frustrating a well known forza team member is cheating in their own event. they have screwed up big time. this video really puts them in hot water

The Developers would be very wise to OFFICIALLY distance themselves from these people. They are bad news. if you see this thing now, imagine how many times they have played this "game" before.

you gained a sub, love it when people are called out for shady goings on

I don't play Forza, I don't watch Forza videos but PTG give this man his recognition!!!

At first you beat em, second you destroyed em. Congratz SP4, cheers.

Thanks for all the great tunes bro, they've helped me dominate online. You've done more for the community than these chumps

Exactly what I would expect from someone directly involved with the PGG devs.

"ChAtErS Be ChEaTeRs!" - PTG, every time someone mentions a mod, even if it doesn't harm the game. LOL.

Wow I’d never expect this from such a legendary club. That’s extremely embarrassing! Thanks for spreading awareness! Let’s get these shady dorks out of the gaming community!!

I took part in their FM7 GT4 championship a little while back. Never saw a hint of this sort of thing. This is also part of the reason why I avoid FH5 events. There's just too many ways to cheese these things, ESPECIALLY with an honesty system.

This made me think of an old thing I had won. It was a minecraft weekly payout grind server. Every week someone "won" money. I saved up for like a month and won a week by myself. I was accused of cheating and although I had multiple people vouch for me I still got banned and didn't receive my prize. And all that because of lying owner. A lesson to be learnt here I guess. Good on you for exposing them. Hopefully that ruins their relationship with the devs and runs their reputation into the ground.

I mean his name is Outlaw, so I wouldn't expect him to follow the rules, lol

Well, there goes my support towards the team PTG. I removed all of the downloaded tunes/liveries made by PTG members. I also advice people to do the same. Thanks for this video. They fucked up.

I'm not surprised given how dishonorable and scummy people drive online. I wish the game had more serious players. Players will ram you all game then rage quit when they miss a checkpoint cause they were tyrning to run you off the track, seeing them cheat for some clout and wheelspins is just sad.

Mans asked for a Peel P50 😂 3:17

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! As if the inner child inside was capricious and could not admit his mistake and shortcomings on the track. I hope the stink from the act of PTG will scatter more. And you, SepiSP4, are a savvy person and make really great content and promote good tunes!

Finally someone making a video about the cheating these big teams does and its not just ptg... they ruin everything for players like us... THANK YOU for making this video

If only the developers cared and banned his account from the game. That went way better in the Trackmania community where the cheating scandal caused the cheaters to lose their face (especially the guy who didn’t admit it) which made them disappear automatically. I guess Forza‘s audience is mostly just too casual to even care. Pretty sad but great job for uncovering this. Thanks a lot!

How do you find these competitions as would love to join in if it's open to the public n not invite only? I'm in the middle of trying to start up my own tournaments group and maybe playing in other tournaments could help me figure out how to get turn 10 or other brands to collab with the tournaments instead of me just hosting a random one lol ps I'd love it if you would join in one I do, there will be prizes for winners and other categories hope to see you in one pal keep up the awesome vids love ya bro

It's kinda cool to see some of my old buddies in the screenshots from Discord, like Stephen. I uninstalled the app from my phone because I kept getting random messages about cars in FH4 lol

I didn't think a shitty little track I made would create so much controversy lmao

Everyone wants to win, and to be on the top no matter how. This is one of the examples and this is not only one game where this happen. That's reason way so many people left multiplayer games and switch to singleplayer gameplay. I left Horionz 5 when I saw unreal results on scoreboards in so many official different events

"why would i have saved a clip" is my all time favorite PTG outlaw quotes

Coverups and radio silence always mark things like this as untrustworthy. Good on you for following through

I say, all racing challenges need to require video. In (though in another game) a rally challenge, we where using lightweight, low power 2WD cars with either Open Diff, or locking diff (manual or automatic, not like a LSD). The person is 1rst place was leagues ahead, and was competing with times for the that stage World Record, against AWD High Power rally cars, yet the rest of us go totally different times. Couple of us where suspicious of him, since his time was absurdly quick, and he didn't give us any idea how he done it, and no video evidence.

I have been a long time "supporter" of the ptg guys. But this is just bs. They way they just cover their tracks, delete stuff and basically "be a bitch about it" is unreal 🤦‍♂️

Hi, firstly nice video ! Some cheats coming and it's unaceptable... I like whaching your videos to improve driving skills or funny videos :) But I have a question for you (in french sorry 😂) Si on modifie les paramètres graphiques du jeu (low ou ultra par exemple), est ce que cela change le ressenti ou le grip des véhicules ? Je me pose cette question, car cela pourrait être intéressant. Il y a une théorie comme quoi cela change sur Forza Motorsport 7 (sous la pluie, il y aurait plus de visibilité) 🤔 mais est ce que ce ne serait pas l'unique raison ? Est ce que cela modifie les chronos ? Ou les réglages ? Attendant avec impatience, Forza Motorsport 8 💪😁

I love u, Sepi! Awesome work ❤

Treat it like any speedrun. Video or it didn't happen. This is all about pride and ego, and PTG just wanted to come out on top.

Out of curiosity, are there any interesting Forza Horizon groups that are worth joining? In my experience so far the ones I've joined have only had assholes.

Long ago I played in a miniature online-only rainbow six vegas (I think it was this title) hosted by ubisoft / gamespy. They had the "PMS" clan play against any randos that could join their server in time. Any winners were supposed to receive $500. I won it, my buddy won it, and countless others won it - as the PMS clan got their asses handed to them the entire duration of the competition. Most of the entrants didn't get paid and ubisoft / gamespy eventually just went radio silent on everyone. Very professional.

The Waybackwhen machine might be able to find those deleted channels

I wish forza would take the integrity of their game seriously. If I were in charge, I would have an investigation launched immediately and every members accounts temp banned until they can prove every one of the prizes went to rightful winners and that their claimed times are legit. Pathetic. I hope they get audited.

Why would you even cheat in your competition lol Good job on exposing him man

Sherlok homesssss is hereeeeee nice job dude

Sounds like they didn’t like you calling them out. Good on you for doing so

Oh, so these guys are like the Twin Galaxies of Forza, then. Is PTG Outlaw their Billy Mitchell or their Todd Rogers?

I just wanna say I’ve been using your Subaru S209 a class road tune a lot and I win just about every lobby I enter with it. Phenomenal tune. Do you think you could make a B class tune for the 06 wrx sti similar to that for road racing? I’ve been trying but I can’t get it to slide enough in corners like the S209 to negate the understeer. Maybe it just doesn’t have enough power to do it. Thanks for all your hard work.

I'm your old fan, thanks for updating the program so honestly! You are a hero to me! Yoom view bot king! Definitely the best in the business

Good work. New sub here.

Did you reach out to Turn 10? I don't think they would want a team representing them like this and it doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Wasn't this the same people who made the Forza Discord a complete mayhem?

34k subs and 15k likes these numbers speak volumes... keep up the whistleblowing mate

More people need to see this, especially MS

There is no game anybody can play without a cheater ruining it for otherwise stupid and unusual reasons. Is it that hard to just have fun in a game and play legitimately?

The whole Forza community is going to shit just because people want to be correct and claim that they are legit, good shit for calling this stuff out mate

Some good fore thought to document eveything.

4 mln credits lol, it is not even 1 rare car in the auction house, looks like they lost connection to the PGG and pretending everything is allright

Looool. So embarrassing for this team. People should know this scandal!

Yet it ain’t the 1st time PTG got caught cheating

I suspect PTG was working with Turn 10 by at least telling them about hosting a challenge, but for whatever reason there was no agreement to hand out prizes from Turn 10. So PTG had to make sure they won no matter what. Ridiculous they had to go this far and couldn't just hand out some in game prizes

So basically, cheating on a time trial is okay, but third party livery software isn't? That's some backwards logic if I've ever seen it.

#JusticeForSepiSP4

does turn 10 know abt this??

I think that 1st place guy has DRS and ERS on the whole time attack

30 years old, no wife, no job, no future, living with his parents, discord mod, spend 500$/month on onlyfans and sometimes cheat on videogames. The dream

I'll admit I'm not a big fan of yours, but you're 100% in the right here. It's a shame PTG is such a snobby and elitist club, can't recall many pleasant discussions I've had with any PTG members, outlaw was average pace on fh4 and there's no way a "tune suited to the driver" (common PTG saying to explain why bad upgrade choices and poor tuning is better) could possibly get close to that time, especially with him driving. Edit: as if Outlaws claim wasn't ridiculous enough: the world record on the Descansar Sprint in S1 class is 1:33.4 by GRF DaaNz, according to Outlaws claim he was only 3 seconds off an actual world record in an objectively inferior build for the LFA

Look like i need a lot of popcorn.🍿🌝

bro i hate it when shit like this happens and I cant do anything

That's epic great work

PTG has a ton of shitty painters and a few decent tuners. They're not that good. Good on your outing them on this behaviour.

Sepi exposes Big Forza

Unfortunately this is pretty common in forza community. Even in some high caliber forza scenes this happens almost all the times. I have been gaslighted in a discord server for not sportive behavior eventhought someone started it first multiple times and the germans letting them go because, people who rammed me is someone with high rank in fh4 and having good friends with the server apparently.

Since this competition was done with studio 10 you should report the issue to them since it directly involves them as they hand out the prizes

Thats sad story bro. But can be worst.. i just got banned for ramming a hacker 🤦

Bro I've been in the forza community for a couple years now as a photographer and basically it's all children, so much drama for so little and all the teams are pretty fishy in one way or another (I'm sure there are exceptions dont kill me plz)

Pls more stories like this

I'd love to see FH developers reaction after seeing this video

I hope PTG's reputation will never be the same again.

What a great community :-)

Was Riolu playing at TPG?

"Why would I need a clip?" Uuuuuhhhhh this...? Races are just checkpoint speed runs, essentially and we pretty much come out of the speed running womb knowing we have to clip everything... if we're legit, which this guy isn't. Posts best time and says "Why would I need a clip?" Lmfao literally one of the dumbest things I've seen.