Nah in Duel Links too it would help players, they ain't opening a box three times if a card is at two

Komoney: how do we make the most money

Like the fact that Konami seriously think they can manage the game without hitting UR's is ludicrous. Konami needs to stop jumping at the short term profits for the long term. I half blame the community that continues to reward Konami for this nonsense too. Any other playerbase would have revolted by now.

Even the TCG has always had this problem. It's like getting mad at the tides for sinking your boat. And this banlist was pretty good all things considered.

The tcg has this problem much worse. Md is honestly generous enough with gems that I am surprised they make profit.

@@LightshaverConstellation the MD whales whale HARD, and the people who aren't whales but want to play every new deck make them an alright chunk of change too. But like, look at the cost if a full royal rare deck.

Literally every card game does this. Magic bans entire boxes every time they release a new box, at least in Yugioh only specific cards are hit. This way you can at least continue playing the decks you like, in magic you can't even do that.

@@brago900 I think you're misunderstanding how Magic's meta works. Magic isn't like Yugioh, where archetypes are xenophobic; often you'll see decks like "red-green aggro" or "black-white sacrifice" or similar. Those decks aren't the type that are wiped out by a set being legal, they may lose a few tools, but they're not getting banned wholesale by any means. And even in decks that revolve around one specific card or interaction, if that card goes out of rotation then that's really not much different than, say, Yugioh banning the dragon rulers. Plus, you can just go play Modern or Pioneer or Pauper or Legacy or one of the many other formats that don't rotate (and yes, those all see play, it's not like Time Wizard format where it's just a sideshow)

Ban Final Sigma it is simply too strong in Mathmech!

​@@IyoMaestrolmaoo 🤣🤣 can't deal with towers over there 👀? Answer: white woman jump scare

Runick tip would indeed be an extremely bad bit for mathmech

bro dont give them ideas what will i do if final sigma is at 1 and my opponents kashtira unicorn banishes it??? I can't think of any monster I can make with 3 mathmechs that would win me the game

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Pretty much yeah. This banlist may not have gone as far as Josh would like, but at least it didn't look at a format that was basically unplayable and declare "This is fine. This format does not need any major course correction." This is what last month's banlist, which WAS worse banlist ever material, should've been.

Conq to 1 and Analyser to 2 when the problem cards were floodgates and Block Dragon.Laolao to 2 when the problem was VFD and Long Yuan to 2 when the problem card is Protos

VFD to 1!

Did you have circular in hand already?

no they were just bming probably before going for game@@SenHnk

Propably after Imperm on D'Alembert

I sometimes do that when I open another mathmech lol

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That would be a sigma hit indeed

no

They're still way too good without the insta win BS.

@@VixYW ash hurts them hard.

eev is prettyyl toxic ngl

@@dantevic Yeah, but the timing needs to be perfect, and sometimes they'll summon the monster that forbids response to their traps (dunno if it's lovely or lady) before activating the trap you needed to Ash. So it doesn't hurt them as hard as it hurts other decks.

@@VixYW its lovely and 99% of the time they need the trap to summon her, so you can just ash it. Only lady can be SS from the hand easily.

That would indeed be great, although it's already pretty neat that whatever you write them about actually seems to get an answer.

LoR also has at least small dev notes on balance changes, absolutely goated team and card game

The problem is that if they were to do this it would be extremely transparent what they want out of the Banlist It's like MBT said, they can't exactly write "We want money" under the explanations to why a card is banned

@@milesandrews6711 They can circumscribe that though, e. g. say that a change is supposed to make the game more varied. When they speak of balancing who says that they don't mean their profits?

@@xCorvus7x if they were to argue that hitting diameter instead of circular was to make the game more varied noone would believe that shit Actually noone would buy it That's the problem, some of their hits are so ridiculous that the only reasonable way to justify them is "we want money"

There have been lists where they hit like 5 UR cards

​@@tripleaaabattery8480this is not what generally happens

@@tripleaaabattery8480 that's why i said "as much as possible" 😅😅😅

The only reason they limited cynet mining is because most got it from the salad structure deck

I’ve been saying this from the start and Tear confirmed it for me. I knew the Purrely hit would be Delicious, my friend, or a cat off of rarity alone. I knew this from release. I figured if kash became meta, they would hit Shangri and birth.

Well that and stove is also level 2 making sprite elf abuse rampant.

pretty sure someone in dkayed’s stream mentioned it would be mannadium but dunno where he got that leak tho

@@dimas-yr8un They've already keept as waiting quite a bit for the final wave of cards related to Albaz.

@@xCorvus7x yup it could be possible

Lowkey ratpier could go to 1 yesterday tho

Rat not being at 1 is really weird, having an Armageddon knight in that deck is fine

I feel if Fenrir can be at three, Ratpier can go to semi limited or unlimited.

@@RazielTheUnborn Fenrir is at 2

Rat could probably go to two and become a very good, but not a broken card.

Or saying that a welcome trap should go to one, basically killing the whole grind game of the deck. Lab is actually pretty fragile to hits, that's why I'd rather see the trap floodgates gone.

They can hit the other lvl4 Ariane to 1, that would be fine.

the problem with Lab isnt Lab cards is the 3 D barier

PTSD from 2013 that never healed

Dragon link. That deck can and will abuse rulers if able.

@@joshmountain9705 i remember that when MBT did the unbaning 2/3rd of the banlist, quantal didn't bother putting any of the rulers, the bystials are just a strictly better option and apart from tidal and redox, the other 2 dragon rulers are trash by today's standard. Tidal is a foolish burial that needs you to open another water monster which won't happen in dragon link and redox is a reborn that needs you to open an earth. Playing the baby dragons doesn't let you use their secondary effect either since they need to discard. The rulers were a XYZ and beatstick strategy, they won't combo well with dragon link. Weirdly enough, they would combo amazingly with kashtira, all level 7 and arguably the best ruler, redox, is an earth that can banish fenrir and start combos.

@@joshmountain9705 dragon link is gonna dragon link with or without the rulers. if either need to be hit its just dragon link lol

@@centurion2396 makes sense. I remembered seeing them used in one of those tournaments too but checking now it was pre bystial. I think Konami's paranoia is rather founded though. The rulers are very clearly old design philosophy.

yeah... no

I was going to say Gale of Darkness since it’s in both, but yeah. Still great music.

update jammer to 0, diameter to 0 instead ( you can still otk shockingly without diameter), limiting both small world and mining instead of just mining etc there are many not like anybody is playing cyberse without mathmechs for us to care abt mining this much

Either of the xyz to 0 would be a massive hit. It wouldn’t kill the deck because you can still link climb with circular but it would nerf the superfactorial degeneracy.

@@Terwano i think if they laplacian to 0 mathmech literally doesnt have a turn 1 thats why i didnt mention it alembertian to 0 is fine though thats a really big consistency hit but it would kill the deck

@@cvubini You can make Darkfluid + Singularity with 1 Circular. That's a massive turn 1. Or you can make Darkfluid + heatsoul + cynet conflict. You have a lot more than super factorial.

​@@Terwano Then try making that after getting disrupted 2-3 times. At best you would end at Heatsoul. There is a reason why Superfactorial is really good because you can just dump any 3 Mathmech in graveyard and it's still usable. You don't even really need Diameter but it does became a staple since it's essentially a free negate. Unlike link climbing where there is alot of Nib and imperm moment where it can mess up all your combos. Cyberse deck aren't like Tearlaments and other "slap in your generic omni negate" deck. Diameter in hand is usually the reason why most of my play goes through just because i have that single omni negate turn 1 for safer play. Without it you can just sit on nib until the end of main phase and it still would be fine, they would only have Superfactorial anyway. And Superfactorial have lots of ways to get disrupted, so if you are doing "0 Diameter" that's just killing the deck.

Pure Mathmech (that no one actually plays) need the omninegate, so a better hit would be Laplacian. The OTK Mathmech strategy (originally intended for the deck) doesn't rely on Laplacian, but cards like Circular and Diameter are essential.

​@@armandonoriega681the OTK strategy is not the intended way to play Mathmech, who told you that? The deck was always meant to set up superfactorial to slow your opponent down with Laplacian and then follow up with the OTK Blind second dosent work because Mathmech doesn't have good board breaking tools(ironically other than Laplacian)

@@milesandrews6711 Of course it is, just read the effect of ALL the Mathmech cards, not only the cards that are currently used. You have to do the math so that you can win with a single attack of its real boss monster, Geomathmech Final Sigma. All Mathmech cards have effects that 1) modify the attack 2) change the number of attacks or 3) special summon, all what is needed to OTK. Laplacian and the trap are the option if you are forced to go first cause they give you disruption, or follow up if you summon Magma or Alembertian instead. The boardbreakers are obviously non engine, just like in any other deck (lightning storm, harpies feather duster, kaijus, forbidden droplett, red reboot), but even Magma and Laplacian could help for that. Link climbing is NOT what the deck is intended for. It has no link names and it needs the extra monster zone to apply the most important effects in the OTK calculation (unnaffected boss Final Sigma, double attack of multiplication, double number of attacks of Nabla, Half attack of division). And that is why Mathmech is the most unique cyberse deck; its strategy is based on Synchro and XYZ summon, not link climbing like any other cyberse deck.

Still they cand send it to the graveyard with Terahertz

​@armandonoriega681 less it get banish before hand. Worse case they won't get the neglect

@@armandonoriega681 hmm, yeah that’s a possibility. So it’s still 1-for-1 for one card for one less negate (no microcoder or fusion monster spell negate)

You're never hitting diameter in a mathmech setup turn though - you'd only try to banish it on your turn when they triggered superfac. If you have a bystial/crow you either fire on sigma or save for your turn to stop the trap. Hitting diameter preemptively has never been an optimal play, and even with the card at 1 it still won't even be considered. Before the new support, you often needed diameter in hand to extend through Ash/imperm and still get full combo. Now you just need any cyberse in hand you can normal/special after being interrupted in order to send diameter with terraherz

@@ct1296 I didn't say anything about pre-emptively. You naturally chain bystial/dd if possible to superfactorial. My point was more intended at the recovery capabilities with cards like equation/splashmage at turn 3. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying that it is a real hit to the deck as the turn 1 plays stay unaffected.

@@lmr4403 sorry I get you now - I just feel like that doesn’t matter at all, since mathmech is such an aggro-style deck that probably loses if its unable to use its main disruptions

@@ct1296 Yeah, I got this month to m1 with 3 nibs in two of my main decks. So many aggro decks this month that simply lose to it.