ALLOW ME TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THAT I REPRESENTED THE SITUATION AS BEST AS I COULD WITH THE INFORMATION I HAD. NO DISRESPECT INTENDED AT ANY POINT IN THE VIDEO TOWARD 916's LEADERS, ORGANIZERS, AND RULES. IF YOU WANT THE FULL STORY YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT DRAGO'S STREAM (CARD IN THE VID). discord.gg/chisgule
@JinxaizenHm2 жыл бұрын
I think the jail system isn't a smart punishment. waste of speed ups and alliance gift etc etc etc. Who decided this is a good punishment? Are they suitable for leadership with such decision? The best punishment is to compensate the kingdom bank with rss depending on the crime and points went above the mge limit. Remove that jail system asap
@GroguYT2 жыл бұрын
WTF 🙈
@Al-ze6uo2 жыл бұрын
Last time I didn't watched ke score and took somebody else's top 15 in mge... realized it 1 hour before the end and sent siege units die on that other players wall to give him back his spot🤣🤣 Leadership liked my move and forgave me
@janihaavisto792 жыл бұрын
Drago been prisoned truly only loses in this situation. I'm guessing that the ke points weren't even that many points over the limit. And in beginning of the kvk, both Drago and his normal alliance sufferers on this decision.
@Magnificent.Quotes.2 жыл бұрын
i‘m in the leadership too since my kingdom exists. so IMO he should get punished BUT another punishment like no ark for once or giving rss to other whales etc. so he should get punished but in a different way.
@mehedi11782 жыл бұрын
Drago's channel doesn't benefit from his kingdom. His kingdom benefits from his channel.
@carlos897842 жыл бұрын
His channel popularized 1916. 1916 provides content. It's a two way street, once the Kingdom was built and set.
@joei82362 жыл бұрын
Dude owns the kingdom, he had all his troop die last season , considerably top contributer of that kingdom last kvk. I understand he wants to set a role model, but this is overly dramatic, and unnecessary.
@alexanderupb45462 жыл бұрын
he is narcisistic wtf
@danielbrowne80442 жыл бұрын
It shows integrity following your own rules… freeing himself would be counterproductive too having others follow the same rules. I’d value team/kingdom cohesion over a few helps.
@nath-hh2ff2 жыл бұрын
I get penalties and restitution, but removing any spender let alone a whale from an alliance. During kvk no less! Is just a case of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
@tarek51352 жыл бұрын
Favoritism and nepotism is one of the main problems most "established" kingdoms have, and it looks to me from your video that you are indirectly promoting favoritism. Most players spend in this game one way or another, some spend money, others spend time, and some spend both. Everyone should be subject to a kingdom's rules and punishments to set an example that there are no exceptions. I do agree that Drago's punishment was kinda harsh given the timing of KvK. Maybe a hefty rss fine and/or killing a few troops would have been a better sentence.
@chronicthingz2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: it's alot more effective and reforming than real life jails
@JohnRoK2 жыл бұрын
@@f-86zoomer37 The game is life simulator, remember the relationships you build are with other, real people
@john2g12 жыл бұрын
@Coding Crusader Depends on what country you're talking about. In the US as a society we decided that prison was both a punishment and a means of reform. Considering we (the US) has more prisoners than any other country and a high return to prison rate I would say we failed.
@celestialdiscord27162 жыл бұрын
Nordic jails disagree
@Shazel_2 жыл бұрын
Depends on your country
@Deehyaz2 жыл бұрын
I believe this a good thing for the kingdom as it does not set a bad precedent of getting away with an infraction by virtue of being a celebrity or a whale. And yes the punishment could have been delayed. But what if an F2P was the one who committed the infraction. Would the kingdom be willing to delay the punishment too? So we go back to the rules of the kingdom. I believe it should apply to everyone equally.
@xianchrisshyr18812 жыл бұрын
Excuses chisgule.. That's why many kingdoms fall into chaos because of that ideology being so egotistic.. Law is law and it applies to all of players whatever their status
@Void-g2n2 жыл бұрын
Lol you clearly are kinda stupid
@xianchrisshyr18812 жыл бұрын
@@Void-g2n don't just cuss, explain your argument kid
@Shirohige4yonko2 жыл бұрын
Didn't know you could put Gilgamesh in prison.
@JinxaizenHm2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@hezhang88432 жыл бұрын
😂
@dzibrelhakimi81192 жыл бұрын
Lol
@celestialdiscord27162 жыл бұрын
@@Writeous0ne joke
@rartros7172 жыл бұрын
@@Writeous0ne it's a joke
@celestialdiscord27162 жыл бұрын
Great virtue he showed.Humbleness, effectiveness, strong-stomached and diligence is the key to to run a kingdom.
@tybrin81782 жыл бұрын
Chisgule is traumatized from when he played goalie as a kid 🤣
@stitch61732 жыл бұрын
I get that mistakes happen, but they just shouldn't for a player like Dragothien, he has been playing this game forever and should know when KE is up. So yes Jail might be too much, maybe rss fine and that is it but if you make one exception, other whales might want to do the same. I feel as King you need to lead by example and that includes owning up to the mistakes and sticking to the rules you apply for others.
@devanshudhapwal2 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules and same applies in real life too. Everyone get's treated the same way. Just cuz u earn a 7 digit salary compared to 5 digit doesn't make u rightful. Mistakes done is done and follow it like everyone.
@lazy43692 жыл бұрын
@@devanshudhapwal I think many have more money, but not spending doesnt mean you have no money or less money, just the fact many see it as a waste while others see it as there hobby and spend.
@TheCollege1012 жыл бұрын
@@devanshudhapwal rules are rules, by what metric? Human perspective or reality with no bias? Rules are made to construct order by a human’s metric. That being said, everything isn’t perfect as we don’t know everything so exceptions must be made or we’ll stay stagnant as a species………
@FDOMinter2 жыл бұрын
100% lead by example, start making exceptions for leaders, whales or content creators you undermine the whole system and have zero credibility as leaders.
@Sans-qe5mg2 жыл бұрын
@@devanshudhapwal ok so say if you court broke as hell trying to fight a murder case witch u did do but couldn't hire you a wonderful lawyer you gonna lose but say if you have the top of money to buy a wonderful lawyer you will win. So what you just said was dumb.
@devanshudhapwal2 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules if u are a f2p, mid spender or a highly p2w player. Respect the rules and we respect you. Break the rules then GTFO and find a new home.
@domoricardo54512 жыл бұрын
That's a harsh first rule break. Imo they did him justice. But banishment from kingdom for breaking the rules first time is kinda extreme
@devanshudhapwal2 жыл бұрын
@@domoricardo5451 That "Leave the kd" is for extreme case when there are some bunch of people in ur kd who are a nuisance and do shenanigans.
@flozai90022 жыл бұрын
If you think these 200 dislikes are all from your kingdom. You are delusional. Oh wait you already made that clear with how absolutely terribly you handled the Groggy situation..
@irene45812 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for someone from 77 to comment here. lol
@andraelwhite5472 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules. Make one exception and become chaos.
@Anonymous-ri4mk2 жыл бұрын
u a dark knight fan xd
@kerzyn15982 жыл бұрын
So because Dragothien spend a lot of money on this account "for" the kingdom, he should not be in jail. That means a F2P Player should be in jail if he does the same mistake, because he does not contribute as much to the kingdom? Rules are rules, if Dragothien broke them he has to face the consequences.
@weldon21522 жыл бұрын
@@siam9914 hell they don't contribute 1/100 of a whale
@zhengliu882 жыл бұрын
Can Dragothien hire a lawyer? "I need a lawyer..." "Hey, Law is law." LOL
@icarl1282 жыл бұрын
1. He made the rules or at least part of it, he should abide by it. If the punishment doesn’t benefit the kd then well blame the guy who thought of it. 2. it’s bs to say that youtubers do it with no agenda. They cover the content so a strong and stable kd is always best for them. There is a reason youtubers are in imperiums or at least create imperiums.
@Chisgule2 жыл бұрын
GEKKO figured out long ago that going to kingdoms where other people do the work is the META for content creators. Doing the work yourself is a foolish labor of love and a catastrophic misuse of a content creator’s time.
@icarl1282 жыл бұрын
Sure, but to do so means a creator’s voice may not be heard, they may avoid good battles or pick the worst content. Leadership is a thankless job but sometimes being able to direct a kd has it’s advantages :)
@mirandada64572 жыл бұрын
Dragothien is smart, it's better to follow his own rules ratger than giving for hostile people an opening to criticize him and revolt, because I am sure if he didn't , next mge a lot would break rules and refuse to endure punishement.
@mirandada64572 жыл бұрын
@@Writeous0ne Yup you are right on that, that's why handling a kd is a nightmare, it drives crazy lol
@ThomasToPC2 жыл бұрын
Look at the real world. When a person breaks a rule, the consequences can have one or more of the following elements: (1) a compensatory component, so that the victims are paid for their losses; (2) a punitive component, to deter future rule breaking; and (3) isolation, to limit the harm that person might further inflict on society. If the person broke a rule because of a careless mistake and is remorseful, likely to not repeat the offence, just make him pay (1) and maybe a small amount of (2) as a slap on the wrist. Why go crazy with (2) and (3) when it is at the loss of both the kingdom and the well-intentioned individual? “Oh you wrote the amount in the wrong field on your tax return, admitting your fault and committing to be careful next time? No, paying the tax shortfall plus interest is not enough. Go to prison for a month and we don’t care that during this time you won’t work for the economy to earn a taxable income.”
@ThomasToPC2 жыл бұрын
Those who say “rules are rules” might only be looking at one aspect: enforcement. There is a bigger picture and that is rule design, which is even trickier because it involves morality, measurement of severity and fairness, victim compensation, psychology and marketing of deterrent effects, risk mitigation, long term effects on kingdom and reputation, etc. Rules are not just rules.
@finalfantasy1111112 жыл бұрын
That's the top comment right there... Absolutely agree. All other opinions are frankly too simplistic... The problem is that an inflexible rule with no scaling of the punishment according to the infraction is bound to create an injustice.
@PsychOutROK2 жыл бұрын
When Derek Jeter retired, a reporter asked him about his manager, Joe Torre, and what made him so successful. He said, (paraphrasing): "Joe treated everyone fairly, not necessarily equally." Equality of punishment does not equal fairness of punishment.
@Eleiem2 жыл бұрын
Leadership are the first that must comply to rules. If they don't you can't ask regular players to do so.
@molekamiramontes18742 жыл бұрын
Bro don’t know what to post anymore lol
@timpoolssentientbeanie56462 жыл бұрын
Seriously, this dude is dying to have content to post. Some of his stuff is good but so much of it is just pointless filler.
@kingpain1172 жыл бұрын
I get that apparently he is a good guy and does alot for his kingdom, but rules are rules. Now yes does this show the rules might need to be looked at, maybe. But rules are rules. I ask you, would you make a video, calling for the freedom for a nobody who feels the same way dragothien does, and is now in jail? His position, title and contributions do not excuse breaking the rules. Again I do think this does highlight a possible flaw in the rules, and maybe they can be re-evaluated. But as it stands now the law calls for jail time. I feel instead of calling for his freedom we should honor his sacrifice and devotion to his rules. He made the law, and when it would benefit him to change it he did not. He took his punishment with honor and I think more leaders should be like him.
@Splendithefirst2 жыл бұрын
100%. This is exactly the type of leader you want. And if the rules need fixing- do that. But free passes for leaders- fastest way to see a kingdom impload
@russellwood87502 жыл бұрын
I got my cousin to play the game. My cousin wasn’t very big into the rules and thought a lot of it was very restricting and he didn’t like them dictating on how we could play the game. So he did what he wanted to do he’s a much better player than I am I struggle with a lot of the stuff but he’s really good at games. So they turned on him and zeroed him a couple of times. Well my cousin like myself is actually quite stubborn and he considers them to be bullies and we were brought up to stand up to bullies so why does my cousin done. He has the kingdom now begging him to stop he has created a few very fast striking units that when they attack his city they go to his hospital and that’s it that’s all the troops he has and he’s hitting everything when they’re trying to do some sort of mission like arc over Cyrus he’s running around attacking the flags the farms even little cities he has become nothing but a thorn in their side several players of even left the kingdom to get away from it I asked him when is he going to stop and he said never the game has never been more fun so I think you should be very careful as to what rules you should try and force upon people because it can go horribly wrong.
@Hhhhhhhaabobm2 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules.
@MaxRok2 жыл бұрын
They have prisons now 😳
@tripodal692 жыл бұрын
Nah, sucks for everyone, but sucks way more next MGE when 4 whales 'make an honest mistake' and expect the same treatment because 'kvk is important' Letting it slide writes the blueprint for how future people take advantage of the rules. If the rules change, it has to be after he serves his time
@Splendithefirst2 жыл бұрын
Right because KVK is important will always be the excuse. Drago is doing the right thing here.
@mejuliie2 жыл бұрын
I get the point you are trying to make, about leadership spending a lot of time to benefit the kingdom. The issue I see with this is that it is voluntary. Is it wonderful and nice? Yes. Is it extremely hard work? Hell, yes. But at the end of the day, leadership shapes the kingdom not only to benefit all the players in it, but also because it benefits them as well. As for the exceptions based on spending, this is an absolute no-go. Yes, it is very difficult to recruit very high-powered players, but by promising leeway you get those who then expect preferential treatment. That doesn't benefit the kingdom, especially as those then often fail to carry their weight. For example, as most kingdoms my kingdom also has kp/dead requirements for kvk. After an extremely difficult 2 days of fighting, the majority of players who had met their goals were f2p. Many whales weren't even halfway there. Not for lack of opportunity. Those high-spenders who hadn't met their goals (not saying that they won't) are new to the kingdom. And their experience in other kingdoms has shown that they are exempt from the rules that the rest of the kingdom has to follow. But if they are in the top 350 power-wise and do not meet their target they will have to leave the kingdom. They also won't get any kvk rewards. This might seem contra-productive at first, but because of those standards we have a huge player base, who give their all, because they know that treatment is always fair. And as you have mentioned when you talked about 75 becoming a swarmer kingdom, there is absolutely strength in numbers.
@providentiadei49862 жыл бұрын
I like this. Sacrificing "the justice sense" of everybody just to please few people has never been a good way to build kingdom.
@razer58452 жыл бұрын
It's funny that a "Game" would have a Jail. People are kinda too far these day Ngl
@devanshudhapwal2 жыл бұрын
Cuz it's a strategy game dumbo. Go play something else.
@xMoNsTeRx69692 жыл бұрын
The hours he put in are why he had to be in it. He worked so hard to get this stuff set up he can't undermine it himself
@generalmaximus9262 жыл бұрын
In real world law is complex in deciding punishment many things are considered like motive, nature of offense, damage, character of offender, guilt etc...
@john2g12 жыл бұрын
Don't forget personal prejudices.... Sigh being an adult sucks.
@jedijerry36392 жыл бұрын
Leadership should be held a to higher standard and more power to him for doing this. Long term this is a benefit because it is an example that it's a real thing. If it's shown that the punishment is skewed, then change it after the fact, especially since it's not world ending.
@masatakamizuno8512 жыл бұрын
As a former title team of KD2086, leadership is hard work. I have to give out negative titles to rule breakers. However, we are all human. Rules are one thing and all of have to follow, but we all make mistakes, and we should be forgiven. I dislike giving out negative titles, but I have to. just my one cent.
@providentiadei49862 жыл бұрын
This content only shows us that Drago is a good leader and his kd has good leadership but chisguile is not and his kd promoting favoritism and nepotism.
@JL-xv9di2 жыл бұрын
The issue is that if the king doesn't follow the rules, people will get SUPER SALTY.
@amrmora11552 жыл бұрын
Pls answer me .. i can use 2 support marches in can or field like traj+mulan. And. Constintaine+aeth. ? And why trajan+joan not worked!!
@wiz93682 жыл бұрын
Time spent on leadership jobs > time spent on actually playing the game 🤣❤️ Greetings from 1875 🔥❤️
@destruction1ksa7372 жыл бұрын
These Titles Are Getting Better And Better Love It ❤️
@jaredhanko64282 жыл бұрын
Instead of jail, have a “farm” become the kingdoms bank. Punishment are only fines and the rss in the bank to go players contributing in KvK and have run dry on rss. Players are sent the amount of rss needed to heal hospital and then they need to collect there own. Just a thought 😁
@tiffanytl44622 жыл бұрын
I agree with Chisgule. Even irl, judges take into account many variables revolving around the crimes committed and therefore different levels of severity of punishment even if its the same crime. Rules are rules but we dont just apply them so stiffly and with one-track mind. To be frank, I am sometimes annoyed by the rigidity in the rules enforcement in rok and the effort to appear “just and fair”; people who have studied laws know its the exact opposite though it appears neat on the surface.
@ChemSTC2 жыл бұрын
Flexable rules create bias systems. If you make fair rules and enforce them unilaterally it creates a healthy environment. They're your rules. If something comes up where you see it becomes unbalanced (being in jail during KvK for a crime done before KvK), addendum the rule to compensate for it. Otherwise you're becoming a judge onto others and creating a value on people. Dangerous.
@tonicastel59332 жыл бұрын
I’m a Leader of a second alliance. I share King & spend TENS of hours a week - not 40 but certainly more than 20 - running our team, participating on Council, running our ark teams & actively building the kingdom. I agree that Dragothien deserves/deserved a break. I know I would not be as good a player as I am (debatable but still) without his excellent & unselfish contributions as a content creator. I also agree wholeheartedly that players who don’t contribute significantly to leadership should generally ease up on criticism when leaders do something they don’t understand or agree with. Even the worst kings spend a fortune on kingdom buffs for the players & a lot of time managing kingdom affairs. It is HIGHLY stressful & can be extremely unpleasant to be the king sometimes. Players who are r3 are often shocked when promoted to r4 how much more they have to do. From r4 to r5, again, is a significant increase in hours of commitment, & to king is a big jump. Personally, I appreciate the commitment & contribution of all leaders & kings. Difficult to remember in times of frustration, but important to remind ourselves of. Great video with important points to consider.
@havox76282 жыл бұрын
Poor Dragothien
@vamingxiong43762 жыл бұрын
Props to Dragothien for jailing himself. Great leadership is to pave the way and not break it at will. It's the same with leaders who done crap during KVK . Then after still get no punishment for doing jack. This is why we migrate, to find leadership who walk the talk and not just talk the walk. If you are like me we don't follow leaders who doesn't lead.
@209Diskence2 жыл бұрын
The truth is, anyone who wants to seriously put in the time to run a kingdom deserves a slack. Running a kingdom is the most tedious work ever and you get no return. Most of the people always complaining have never ever ran a kingdom before and my god, running a kingdom is NOT FUN.
@Chisgule2 жыл бұрын
THIS. Most critics have never actually had to run a kingdom.
@theplayer24002 жыл бұрын
I get that rules are rules but as in real life penalty sistems there should be mitigating and aggravating circumstances I think for a player so committed to his kingdom as dragothien it is a clear mitigating circumstance there for maybe they could’ve found a way around and let him in parol and if he did it again then yes then send him to jail or maybe feed the kills he exceeded to the members he passed or something like that
@rolandxbeliebig63852 жыл бұрын
I feel what you say - however, particularly when you are in the leadership, you have to serve the sentence yourself, no matter how bad it is for the alliance or the kingdom. Any reasonable person would say that this is stupid. But it's the unreasonable people that would just say "mimimi, but dragothien didn't have to go to jail" - no matter what the context is. You can't give those people any leverage. And then you can't argue with these people. Like i use to say - don't argue with stupid people. First they drag you down to their level, and there they beat you with experience
@riecknicholas2 жыл бұрын
100% - King can DEFINITELY not be above the rules. That's what will kill a kingdom and people will just start breaking all rules. Very much disagree with Chisgule's take here. 1916 already barely hanging on after their performance and emigration last kvk.
@asemov27072 жыл бұрын
If the rules aren’t followed by leadership, don’t expect your subjects to follow them. I was in 2320 where a Chinese alliance made it a rule that you can’t hit cities. They began hitting cities so as soon as KvK was over a civil war broke out to get rid of them (I do think their racist remarks towards Vietnamese and American players didn’t help their case, but hey) Don’t make rules if you yourself don’t follow them. If you think your own rules are dumb - take the punishment, and revamp them once your sentence is over.
@duckleberryfin50492 жыл бұрын
I’m not part of something huge but being in kd leadership is definitely hard and at times stressful, I agree with chisgule redemption should definitely be offered in some cases
@smoovjazz80292 жыл бұрын
This has nothing to do with redemption. I'm sure his kd will love nothing more than to see him come out of jail.
@sirmann55842 жыл бұрын
Complements. I did go to law school. Nice closing argument I think you may have missed your calling Chisgle. But I agree rules should be reasonable and flexible
@watu12432 жыл бұрын
How many selfless hours have you dedicated to your Alliance and Kingdom???????
@kflav442 жыл бұрын
Your outrage on this is unfounded and a reflection of an out of touch whale. By this logic, whales that zero players should be excluded from punishment. Good on dragontheian for being a team player and taking the punishment. Imagine the morale loss by regular players if players are immune to rules. The punishment only lasts for a few days . Realistically, the tremendous impact you claim this has is moot. Honestly if I were you, I would take this video down. Otherwise love your content but this video has me shaking my head.
@jeffz28102 жыл бұрын
so a president or prime minister of a country break a law/rules he or she will have a lower punishment?
@timpoolssentientbeanie56462 жыл бұрын
This video is ridiculous. Rules are rules, and no one respects a kingdom that doesn’t apply their rules fairly. Watching Chisgule stick up for whales (and strongly imply that people of their status shouldn’t be held to the same standards as everyone else) isn’t as sympathetic to his audience of ftp and Lowish spenders as he thinks it is.
@markg33052 жыл бұрын
It's because of the fact that groggy(his friend) zeroed someone in 75, for literallyno reason at all. Which by the rules posted is supposed to be immediate kick out of the kingdom. Instead He gets off basically free and half the kingdom is pissed off about it
@ferociousfil57472 жыл бұрын
I accidentally stole all of chisgule money(in RL) but I am a millionaire so the cops just let me go(RL is actually like that though)
@jave.metacog2 жыл бұрын
I watched Drago's stream live and have been in 916 for quite some time now, we just in our 3rd KvK since i've been here. Don't get me wrong i have been apposed to some things here but it works and really not sure why you need to make this video on the back of Drago. Seems a bit cheap bro for views or what? Stunt? Anyways regardless enjoy your content and Drago's so keep it up, ciao :)
@jackrisonjoseph2 жыл бұрын
People can do whatever with their youtube channel as long as it follows youtube regulations. You don't have to question if a youtuber should upload this video and that video because you don't own it. He don't do it for the sake of views. If someone owns a cooking channel and wants to records their lifestyles let them be, you don't have privilege to set what people should do and shouldn't. It's either you continue watching or don't watch at all!
@anitakallin93812 жыл бұрын
This is just dumb. In my kingdom, you must pay in very high resources.
@danielping1222 жыл бұрын
the biggest issue with what you are suggesting are the parameters/circumstances on what player should benefit for mercy and who should not. in that case it should appear as a disclamer right under the mge tresspassing sanction and not an arbitrary decision oh it is dragothien he is a good player(some might disagree on that for example). On the other hand if you apply the rule the same way for everyone, no exception , no circumstance you ensure equality of all in front of the rule.
@rexxer27922 жыл бұрын
Being in leadership should never remove that individual from punishment... Also leaders should always be aware of all their actions so ignorance and mistakes can be avoided... Also he does not have to Buy bundles while in his "PRISON" alliance he can wait till his time is done... Leadership is a privilege to be a leader not a privilege to get away with anything...
@evil_apple_of_doom64092 жыл бұрын
A Rule is a Rule. End! No Discussion! If the Rules are Bad, then change the Rules. Don’t use Gekko, he literally said long time before that everbody play for themselves or with friends and not for the Kingdom. I’m also not sure that Gekko knows in which KD he is after all the migrations.😂 Drago must go the hard way now to show his integrity. If he don’t follow the Rule, then it opens a Door for a lot of Bullshit in his KD bcs there is also a Time after this kvk.
@johannes9682 жыл бұрын
10:29 So what you really want is that you want to take away a large group of players in the game to vote? You treat other players better just because they are at the top, the other players still contribute to the kingdom, so what you say is silly.
@Chisgule2 жыл бұрын
how many hundreds of hours have you dedicated to helping your kingdom be a better place? I'm not talking about playing the game. I'm talking about making the kingdom better. Without these people, there is no kingdom worth being in. Do they deserve special treatment when they make a mistake and apologize for it? I'd say yes, hands down.
@Dsfreak1122 жыл бұрын
@@Chisgule Honestly, who he is isn‘t even the biggest factor. In a situation like this (and this is from the perspective of a much younger kvk2 kingdoms leadership) we treat a player a lot differently if he helps/offers to help remedy it. You pushed people out of the position by accident but are willing to feed kills to solve it? Or simply message the people that have a disadvantage because of it and work out a solution that they agree with? You are absolutely not getting punished. That is simply not the same as, say, someone sniping MGE in the last hour of final sprint by feeding tonnes of kills from farm accounts.
@johannes9682 жыл бұрын
@@Chisgule Well I agree with you that I don't support so hard punishments in the game. No body deserves special treatment in any way in this game, the problem is in the rules of the kingdom and that the rules is not fair and right, the point is that nobody should be treated better then others in this game if they break the same rule. I have not contributed to players coming into my kingdoms. I have fought 100 of hrs in this kingdom, if I don't have a vote in my kingdom for contributing in that way, then nobody deserves to have a vote.
@GOG214072 жыл бұрын
Making that kind of mistake. 3 years into a game. They should have resource payments instead.
@texasrangers74172 жыл бұрын
If someone chooses to volunteer there time to lead a kingdom, that is there choice to make a kingdom they like 👍. Which in itself is there compensation. And if they think the violations are incorrect or damaging to the kingdom, then they have the biggest voice for reform. Which again is a plus to be a leader. So that being said there should not be a exception to the rule, especially for leadership. Leadership should lead by example, if not they are leading there people in the wrong direction. Just saying. You got to be the change you want to see.
@ryder21562 жыл бұрын
I wish a king of our KD could accept the consequences, that would be nice.
@john2g12 жыл бұрын
Are we in the same kingdom?
@ryder21562 жыл бұрын
@@john2g1 unless you have a civil war right now, no.
@john2g12 жыл бұрын
@@ryder2156 Send footage to Gekko... The community wants a nice fire to go with our popcorn.
@jager43972 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t in T2A during MGE so I wasn’t in to see comments when it happened. I have not seen his video about why or how it happened. But I legit never recall pitch forks going for his head. It’s normal within the confines of our alliance, T2A, to jostle, especially guys like Drago and other leaders because they take it well and we all have fun doing it. But to those reading these comments, and I hope those who watch after I comment, realize that 1916 does not go after players “like” Drago. We are not on witch hunts to jail and punish people who make small slips. During our first Fixed MGE I had some random t4 finish day 1 then miscalculated my training and went over cap by like 40k. It did not affect rankings it did not hurt anyone it was an honest mistake. I was never suggested by leadership to take the punishment and they forgave me. These rules we have agreed upon and put in place are there for those who are 1. Repeat offenders that think they can do what they would like without consequence. 2. To have it established that we take serious people who don’t take us serious. And why it is that we have established the rules. 3. To ensure that the fixed MgE that we have implemented if followed which saves our kingdom tons of rss and speedups during pointless kill events that could otherwise be used for KvK. Dragothien is king and could have easily blown it off but I see it as a member it the KD and say good on him. Let me assure you that the amount of chests purchased in our top alliances we are really “missing” 1 persons purchases. He isn’t really hurting from lack of helps. He has some real life stuff that should trump his game play anyways, if anything… this is the best time for him to be in “jail” to show his kingdom he respects rules implemented by the kingdom which, yes, includes himself. Honestly it is such a non issue that I didn’t know about it until 30 minutes ago when in Coalition chat it was mentioned because of THIS video. Chis, man, I know you don’t know me, I’ve followed you for a long time I’ve watched your content and really enjoyed it. But this feels icky. I appreciate you have an opinion and a platform. But no one here is worried or concerned for what a few days while Drago tends to family. The brilliance in Dragos kingdom is that he built and planned it so well that he can go sit in an alliance by himself and be with family while it’s still run smoothly. Can’t wait to see you all doing more OL vids!! Take care.
@pavelowpower2 жыл бұрын
Hello chisgule, your video have helped me massively, I started playing 3 weeks ago and just 1mil power and I've been made an officer. Any chance you could do a quick video one day explaining everything I can do as an officer as I have no clue even how to start building a flag. That would be amazing if you could. I play this game all day and night and just listen and watch your streams. And it's good how you never go off screen ( apart from the giant ant incident) lol. By far the best ROK KZfaqr IMO. Great energy, charismatic and very funny, your video are great. Keep em coming. FOR THE KING 🤴
@berzgaming1039 Жыл бұрын
whats ur power now?
@weilian69562 жыл бұрын
Yanfei... where are you when we need her...
@maplesirup242 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Chis is setting the table for himself to go out there and break some kingdom rules but get a relaxed sentence for it. 😀😇
@BEARS25812 жыл бұрын
Seriously what is the point 😂
@vigneshrajaram13532 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion, this video is the one I was expecting when I saw the rise of drama video. Hope to see much more like this :)
@onzl94772 жыл бұрын
Leadership in Rok runs better than my own country government, ngl.
@irisden79982 жыл бұрын
Lol this is just melodramatic and honestly just dumb. Rules are made for people who break the rules yeah, but this is the equivalent of opening a peanut with a sledgehammer. Like you said, rule enforcement is there for people like Talib and Maximum Chunder, people who truly do not give a fuk. Realistically a minor infraction like this could have been dealt with in so many different ways that would still a) punish him and b) still have his account benefit his kd. Make him wear a dunce cap for a livestream or something idk. But hey if Drago wants to be a martyr, all power to him. Not my kingdom, not my leadership.
@RG_V2 жыл бұрын
This is hilarious! 🤣 Chisgule: Drama again! 🤦
@theinformation17152 жыл бұрын
maybe Drago could have volunteered his troops for the other player to kill them and take back the spot in MGE, it would be kind of a rss fine cause of the hospital bill and the other player would actually benefit from it
@Dragothien2 жыл бұрын
My going over points didn’t affect any rankings. This “fix” wouldn’t have changed anything. Good idea that we have done in the past. Jail still enforced though
@theinformation17152 жыл бұрын
@@Dragothien understandable, hope you come back to society as a better man 😜
@chadjohnson85272 жыл бұрын
I agree I got kicked from kingdom alliance without winning mge even though I have fought hard as active player in this kingdom 2236. I got mixed numbers between mge showing 17million points and the 4.5 million that showed in eve of the crusade training event.
@zobdnel2 жыл бұрын
I would say that in light of his work for the kingdom they should put him in a minimum security prison (farm alliance for tech and helps) and allow regular conjugal visits (daily rejoining a top alliance for purchasing and gold chests when bundles refresh). It’s not perfect but negates the vast majority of the issues while providing an example that leaders can be held accountable too. I’ve done leadership and recruitment as well if that adds any weight to my words.
@Generaika2 жыл бұрын
an eye for an eye and all the world goes blind is a false statement, because u making an assumption that half of the world did the same crime... I agree with the first part where u need to consider a proper law that suits everybody and treat them equally... don't make super insane punishment and then realize that it doesn't suit everybody... or else, every other players, specially the whales, will keep making the same excuse each time and get free ticket out of jail. which is unfair.
@Henry-xs6kt2 жыл бұрын
Roleplaying at its best
@avatazutara2 жыл бұрын
Yeahhh so if you spend a bunch of money is unfair if you're another type of guy and pass over the score leave the kingdom it makes a lot of sense
@arcsyn63792 жыл бұрын
well maybe they want to avoid future excuses when someone can refered to his avoiding jail time cause of some reason. thats why they do it even its their loss. for the future investment i suppose and great for dragothien respect to him to obey that rule
@lthughes2 жыл бұрын
You make some pretty bad points Chis. Drago has done a lot but we have an officer core that actually has done a lot more than he has done for kingdom. Just facts. There is no loss for us in T2A lol. Drago isn’t even the primary gold chest contributor. And to pretend like that’s what matters is irrelevant. Also Drago himself imposed this rule and we have literally punished players for going up over by 1 point 😂😂. Rules are rules. And the king isn’t above his very own rules. This was A very non issue. I woke up and he was in jail. No one gets special treatments for anything. It doesn’t matter about contribution. If you impose the rules than you must love by them. Nice try getting clickbait views but this literally is irrelevant. No one batted an eye and plus the man is spending time with his newborn so again you reap what you sow. No such thing as flexibility when being punished 😂😂. Nice try though.
@wavingsuperior42 жыл бұрын
What happened to the 916's last, KvK?
@rodolfoalavez56102 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules… he broke the rules.. must pay the price otherwise the rules would be meaningless in his kingdom. Noone would take the rules of the kingdom seriously if “the king” is above the rules…
@duckie16232 жыл бұрын
Nobody is above the law. I’m in 916 and we have a 400m rss fine and 7 days jail time. Everyone has to and this limits people going over and imagine how many people in this kingdom that don’t exactly like drago, we would have a few people get mad. And it’s a learning curve for everyone
@StefanMedici2 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned Thunder Pants. That guy is certifiable, he do the same in our s2 long before he ended up in yours. Dude is so crazy he doesn't even change his name, and kingdoms still take him in. 😂 Side note: I played goalie when I was young. If I had to even touch the ball and make a save, I berated my defenders for letting the strikers get within shooting distance. 🤣
@random-ju3ol2 жыл бұрын
Leadership is super important, but so is everyone else in the kingdom, I mean look what happened to them against 846 all the leadership work didn't matter because many players in the kingdom didn't show up, so I think showing favoritism for someone in leadership isn't the way to go, because everyone else showing up to fight/participate in the kingdom is just as important as the work leadership does. I think Drago is doing the right thing and serves as example to everyone else.
@omsudheeshom2 жыл бұрын
So in 75 all rules are for everyone except chis cos you does lot of work for the kingdom ? First of all theres no need for this video itself, its something happening in their kingdom and their leadership knows how to handle it. And i bet its not first time a king takes the punishment for breaking rule. So let them do their job lol
@wildcat20312 жыл бұрын
Dragothien is an experienced player and he should know not to do make testing content during mge. There are enough other days to do that. I agree the timing is very bad, though, and it would have probably been better to postpone it until after kvk. But I wouldn't play in a kingdom with flexible punishments depending on who the offender is. And even though I don't have the money Dragothien spends, I spent a lot on this game too. And spent thousands of hours in leadership and /our giving titles, so yes, I know what that means. But if leadership means being above the rules it's not leadership it's dictatorship.
@mailomailo30862 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules in our kd. 100m rss to kd bank + jail
@smoovjazz80292 жыл бұрын
I believe rules are rules. But Drago really needs to reconsider the kd rules. The punishment needs to be something that at least benefits the kd. Like rss contribution or something. Mistakes happen. Mad props to him for serving it. I've got the utmost respect for players who don't complain and own their mistakes. The downside of making exceptions on punishments is you're opening Pandora's box to all kinds of biases that can make things super awkward
@lthughes2 жыл бұрын
All that is a part of it. We used to have a big issue with rule breakers. And the penalty was a week outside main alliances and 100 mil of each to the kingdom bank. So after a while they decided to make an allaince where those individuals would go to. And the kingdom bank would be in the jail. So it’s a win win plus no one is above the rules. These are his rules as well 😆
@smoovjazz80292 жыл бұрын
@@lthughes and the good news I think drago is gonna come out of jail with his hair on fire. He's gonna be on some kinda path 🤣🤣🤣
@lthughes2 жыл бұрын
@@smoovjazz8029 😂😂
@Huey187482 жыл бұрын
I think he should be put in a weak alliance and serve is time there.
@CarpeEffingo2 жыл бұрын
2009 had jail before kvk3 for MGE rule breakers. It was funny.
@EmilChristensenHeaton2 жыл бұрын
Chis but he did it by choice,Chose to Be a king and a leader,if you give 1 person the benefit of the doubt whether he is a king/R4 or a whale. You destroy the whole purpose of Making Rules,I'm glad Drago followed his own rules despite it being in start of kvk. But if you want players to follow you and trust you,you have to show them you are the same and not above them ! :)
@Nixyme2 жыл бұрын
Yo Chisgule! Thx for the infos in ur kd
@mrhapz30482 жыл бұрын
Rules are rules, if you take rules seriously during mge, you ensure that you keep within the points limit, everyone can do it, and being in a high position makes it all the more important to set and follow high standards, maybe imprisonment isn't ideal but you do the crime you do the time, maybe set rss fine instead, 1bil each rss to kingdom Bank to bail himself out
@jonsniffssnow86672 жыл бұрын
This is a far cheaper penalty than we enforce.
@rona60632 жыл бұрын
But how do you leave an alliance that your the only member?
@kenny99112 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine doing this to BABA? 🤣 It would end up being an alliance crisis
@Anonymous-ri4mk2 жыл бұрын
all of them will be zeroed
@desaifamily82392 жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-ri4mk Baba isn’t like that, but still lmao, pissing off a 1bil+ power megawhale