ALLOW ME TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY THAT I REPRESENTED THE SITUATION AS BEST AS I COULD WITH THE INFORMATION I HAD. NO DISRESPECT INTENDED AT ANY POINT IN THE VIDEO TOWARD 916's LEADERS, ORGANIZERS, AND RULES. IF YOU WANT THE FULL STORY YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT DRAGO'S STREAM (CARD IN THE VID). discord.gg/chisgule

Drago's channel doesn't benefit from his kingdom. His kingdom benefits from his channel.

Dude owns the kingdom, he had all his troop die last season , considerably top contributer of that kingdom last kvk. I understand he wants to set a role model, but this is overly dramatic, and unnecessary.

It shows integrity following your own rules… freeing himself would be counterproductive too having others follow the same rules. I’d value team/kingdom cohesion over a few helps.

I get penalties and restitution, but removing any spender let alone a whale from an alliance. During kvk no less! Is just a case of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Favoritism and nepotism is one of the main problems most "established" kingdoms have, and it looks to me from your video that you are indirectly promoting favoritism. Most players spend in this game one way or another, some spend money, others spend time, and some spend both. Everyone should be subject to a kingdom's rules and punishments to set an example that there are no exceptions. I do agree that Drago's punishment was kinda harsh given the timing of KvK. Maybe a hefty rss fine and/or killing a few troops would have been a better sentence.

Fun fact: it's alot more effective and reforming than real life jails

I believe this a good thing for the kingdom as it does not set a bad precedent of getting away with an infraction by virtue of being a celebrity or a whale. And yes the punishment could have been delayed. But what if an F2P was the one who committed the infraction. Would the kingdom be willing to delay the punishment too? So we go back to the rules of the kingdom. I believe it should apply to everyone equally.

Excuses chisgule.. That's why many kingdoms fall into chaos because of that ideology being so egotistic.. Law is law and it applies to all of players whatever their status

Didn't know you could put Gilgamesh in prison.

Great virtue he showed.Humbleness, effectiveness, strong-stomached and diligence is the key to to run a kingdom.

Chisgule is traumatized from when he played goalie as a kid 🤣

I get that mistakes happen, but they just shouldn't for a player like Dragothien, he has been playing this game forever and should know when KE is up. So yes Jail might be too much, maybe rss fine and that is it but if you make one exception, other whales might want to do the same. I feel as King you need to lead by example and that includes owning up to the mistakes and sticking to the rules you apply for others.

Rules are rules if u are a f2p, mid spender or a highly p2w player. Respect the rules and we respect you. Break the rules then GTFO and find a new home.

If you think these 200 dislikes are all from your kingdom. You are delusional. Oh wait you already made that clear with how absolutely terribly you handled the Groggy situation..

Rules are rules. Make one exception and become chaos.

So because Dragothien spend a lot of money on this account "for" the kingdom, he should not be in jail. That means a F2P Player should be in jail if he does the same mistake, because he does not contribute as much to the kingdom? Rules are rules, if Dragothien broke them he has to face the consequences.

Can Dragothien hire a lawyer? "I need a lawyer..." "Hey, Law is law." LOL

1. He made the rules or at least part of it, he should abide by it. If the punishment doesn’t benefit the kd then well blame the guy who thought of it. 2. it’s bs to say that youtubers do it with no agenda. They cover the content so a strong and stable kd is always best for them. There is a reason youtubers are in imperiums or at least create imperiums.

Dragothien is smart, it's better to follow his own rules ratger than giving for hostile people an opening to criticize him and revolt, because I am sure if he didn't , next mge a lot would break rules and refuse to endure punishement.

Look at the real world. When a person breaks a rule, the consequences can have one or more of the following elements: (1) a compensatory component, so that the victims are paid for their losses; (2) a punitive component, to deter future rule breaking; and (3) isolation, to limit the harm that person might further inflict on society. If the person broke a rule because of a careless mistake and is remorseful, likely to not repeat the offence, just make him pay (1) and maybe a small amount of (2) as a slap on the wrist. Why go crazy with (2) and (3) when it is at the loss of both the kingdom and the well-intentioned individual? “Oh you wrote the amount in the wrong field on your tax return, admitting your fault and committing to be careful next time? No, paying the tax shortfall plus interest is not enough. Go to prison for a month and we don’t care that during this time you won’t work for the economy to earn a taxable income.”

When Derek Jeter retired, a reporter asked him about his manager, Joe Torre, and what made him so successful. He said, (paraphrasing): "Joe treated everyone fairly, not necessarily equally." Equality of punishment does not equal fairness of punishment.

Leadership are the first that must comply to rules. If they don't you can't ask regular players to do so.

Bro don’t know what to post anymore lol

I get that apparently he is a good guy and does alot for his kingdom, but rules are rules. Now yes does this show the rules might need to be looked at, maybe. But rules are rules. I ask you, would you make a video, calling for the freedom for a nobody who feels the same way dragothien does, and is now in jail? His position, title and contributions do not excuse breaking the rules. Again I do think this does highlight a possible flaw in the rules, and maybe they can be re-evaluated. But as it stands now the law calls for jail time. I feel instead of calling for his freedom we should honor his sacrifice and devotion to his rules. He made the law, and when it would benefit him to change it he did not. He took his punishment with honor and I think more leaders should be like him.

I got my cousin to play the game. My cousin wasn’t very big into the rules and thought a lot of it was very restricting and he didn’t like them dictating on how we could play the game. So he did what he wanted to do he’s a much better player than I am I struggle with a lot of the stuff but he’s really good at games. So they turned on him and zeroed him a couple of times. Well my cousin like myself is actually quite stubborn and he considers them to be bullies and we were brought up to stand up to bullies so why does my cousin done. He has the kingdom now begging him to stop he has created a few very fast striking units that when they attack his city they go to his hospital and that’s it that’s all the troops he has and he’s hitting everything when they’re trying to do some sort of mission like arc over Cyrus he’s running around attacking the flags the farms even little cities he has become nothing but a thorn in their side several players of even left the kingdom to get away from it I asked him when is he going to stop and he said never the game has never been more fun so I think you should be very careful as to what rules you should try and force upon people because it can go horribly wrong.

Rules are rules.

They have prisons now 😳

Nah, sucks for everyone, but sucks way more next MGE when 4 whales 'make an honest mistake' and expect the same treatment because 'kvk is important' Letting it slide writes the blueprint for how future people take advantage of the rules. If the rules change, it has to be after he serves his time

I get the point you are trying to make, about leadership spending a lot of time to benefit the kingdom. The issue I see with this is that it is voluntary. Is it wonderful and nice? Yes. Is it extremely hard work? Hell, yes. But at the end of the day, leadership shapes the kingdom not only to benefit all the players in it, but also because it benefits them as well. As for the exceptions based on spending, this is an absolute no-go. Yes, it is very difficult to recruit very high-powered players, but by promising leeway you get those who then expect preferential treatment. That doesn't benefit the kingdom, especially as those then often fail to carry their weight. For example, as most kingdoms my kingdom also has kp/dead requirements for kvk. After an extremely difficult 2 days of fighting, the majority of players who had met their goals were f2p. Many whales weren't even halfway there. Not for lack of opportunity. Those high-spenders who hadn't met their goals (not saying that they won't) are new to the kingdom. And their experience in other kingdoms has shown that they are exempt from the rules that the rest of the kingdom has to follow. But if they are in the top 350 power-wise and do not meet their target they will have to leave the kingdom. They also won't get any kvk rewards. This might seem contra-productive at first, but because of those standards we have a huge player base, who give their all, because they know that treatment is always fair. And as you have mentioned when you talked about 75 becoming a swarmer kingdom, there is absolutely strength in numbers.

It's funny that a "Game" would have a Jail. People are kinda too far these day Ngl

The hours he put in are why he had to be in it. He worked so hard to get this stuff set up he can't undermine it himself

In real world law is complex in deciding punishment many things are considered like motive, nature of offense, damage, character of offender, guilt etc...

Leadership should be held a to higher standard and more power to him for doing this. Long term this is a benefit because it is an example that it's a real thing. If it's shown that the punishment is skewed, then change it after the fact, especially since it's not world ending.

As a former title team of KD2086, leadership is hard work. I have to give out negative titles to rule breakers. However, we are all human. Rules are one thing and all of have to follow, but we all make mistakes, and we should be forgiven. I dislike giving out negative titles, but I have to. just my one cent.

This content only shows us that Drago is a good leader and his kd has good leadership but chisguile is not and his kd promoting favoritism and nepotism.

The issue is that if the king doesn't follow the rules, people will get SUPER SALTY.

Pls answer me .. i can use 2 support marches in can or field like traj+mulan. And. Constintaine+aeth. ? And why trajan+joan not worked!!

Time spent on leadership jobs > time spent on actually playing the game 🤣❤️ Greetings from 1875 🔥❤️

These Titles Are Getting Better And Better Love It ❤️

Instead of jail, have a “farm” become the kingdoms bank. Punishment are only fines and the rss in the bank to go players contributing in KvK and have run dry on rss. Players are sent the amount of rss needed to heal hospital and then they need to collect there own. Just a thought 😁

I agree with Chisgule. Even irl, judges take into account many variables revolving around the crimes committed and therefore different levels of severity of punishment even if its the same crime. Rules are rules but we dont just apply them so stiffly and with one-track mind. To be frank, I am sometimes annoyed by the rigidity in the rules enforcement in rok and the effort to appear “just and fair”; people who have studied laws know its the exact opposite though it appears neat on the surface.

Flexable rules create bias systems. If you make fair rules and enforce them unilaterally it creates a healthy environment. They're your rules. If something comes up where you see it becomes unbalanced (being in jail during KvK for a crime done before KvK), addendum the rule to compensate for it. Otherwise you're becoming a judge onto others and creating a value on people. Dangerous.

I’m a Leader of a second alliance. I share King & spend TENS of hours a week - not 40 but certainly more than 20 - running our team, participating on Council, running our ark teams & actively building the kingdom. I agree that Dragothien deserves/deserved a break. I know I would not be as good a player as I am (debatable but still) without his excellent & unselfish contributions as a content creator. I also agree wholeheartedly that players who don’t contribute significantly to leadership should generally ease up on criticism when leaders do something they don’t understand or agree with. Even the worst kings spend a fortune on kingdom buffs for the players & a lot of time managing kingdom affairs. It is HIGHLY stressful & can be extremely unpleasant to be the king sometimes. Players who are r3 are often shocked when promoted to r4 how much more they have to do. From r4 to r5, again, is a significant increase in hours of commitment, & to king is a big jump. Personally, I appreciate the commitment & contribution of all leaders & kings. Difficult to remember in times of frustration, but important to remind ourselves of. Great video with important points to consider.

Poor Dragothien

Props to Dragothien for jailing himself. Great leadership is to pave the way and not break it at will. It's the same with leaders who done crap during KVK . Then after still get no punishment for doing jack. This is why we migrate, to find leadership who walk the talk and not just talk the walk. If you are like me we don't follow leaders who doesn't lead.

The truth is, anyone who wants to seriously put in the time to run a kingdom deserves a slack. Running a kingdom is the most tedious work ever and you get no return. Most of the people always complaining have never ever ran a kingdom before and my god, running a kingdom is NOT FUN.

I get that rules are rules but as in real life penalty sistems there should be mitigating and aggravating circumstances I think for a player so committed to his kingdom as dragothien it is a clear mitigating circumstance there for maybe they could’ve found a way around and let him in parol and if he did it again then yes then send him to jail or maybe feed the kills he exceeded to the members he passed or something like that

I feel what you say - however, particularly when you are in the leadership, you have to serve the sentence yourself, no matter how bad it is for the alliance or the kingdom. Any reasonable person would say that this is stupid. But it's the unreasonable people that would just say "mimimi, but dragothien didn't have to go to jail" - no matter what the context is. You can't give those people any leverage. And then you can't argue with these people. Like i use to say - don't argue with stupid people. First they drag you down to their level, and there they beat you with experience

I’m not part of something huge but being in kd leadership is definitely hard and at times stressful, I agree with chisgule redemption should definitely be offered in some cases

Complements. I did go to law school. Nice closing argument I think you may have missed your calling Chisgle. But I agree rules should be reasonable and flexible

How many selfless hours have you dedicated to your Alliance and Kingdom???????

Your outrage on this is unfounded and a reflection of an out of touch whale. By this logic, whales that zero players should be excluded from punishment. Good on dragontheian for being a team player and taking the punishment. Imagine the morale loss by regular players if players are immune to rules. The punishment only lasts for a few days . Realistically, the tremendous impact you claim this has is moot. Honestly if I were you, I would take this video down. Otherwise love your content but this video has me shaking my head.

so a president or prime minister of a country break a law/rules he or she will have a lower punishment?

This video is ridiculous. Rules are rules, and no one respects a kingdom that doesn’t apply their rules fairly. Watching Chisgule stick up for whales (and strongly imply that people of their status shouldn’t be held to the same standards as everyone else) isn’t as sympathetic to his audience of ftp and Lowish spenders as he thinks it is.

I accidentally stole all of chisgule money(in RL) but I am a millionaire so the cops just let me go(RL is actually like that though)

I watched Drago's stream live and have been in 916 for quite some time now, we just in our 3rd KvK since i've been here. Don't get me wrong i have been apposed to some things here but it works and really not sure why you need to make this video on the back of Drago. Seems a bit cheap bro for views or what? Stunt? Anyways regardless enjoy your content and Drago's so keep it up, ciao :)

This is just dumb. In my kingdom, you must pay in very high resources.

the biggest issue with what you are suggesting are the parameters/circumstances on what player should benefit for mercy and who should not. in that case it should appear as a disclamer right under the mge tresspassing sanction and not an arbitrary decision oh it is dragothien he is a good player(some might disagree on that for example). On the other hand if you apply the rule the same way for everyone, no exception , no circumstance you ensure equality of all in front of the rule.

Being in leadership should never remove that individual from punishment... Also leaders should always be aware of all their actions so ignorance and mistakes can be avoided... Also he does not have to Buy bundles while in his "PRISON" alliance he can wait till his time is done... Leadership is a privilege to be a leader not a privilege to get away with anything...

A Rule is a Rule. End! No Discussion! If the Rules are Bad, then change the Rules. Don’t use Gekko, he literally said long time before that everbody play for themselves or with friends and not for the Kingdom. I’m also not sure that Gekko knows in which KD he is after all the migrations.😂 Drago must go the hard way now to show his integrity. If he don’t follow the Rule, then it opens a Door for a lot of Bullshit in his KD bcs there is also a Time after this kvk.

10:29 So what you really want is that you want to take away a large group of players in the game to vote? You treat other players better just because they are at the top, the other players still contribute to the kingdom, so what you say is silly.

Making that kind of mistake. 3 years into a game. They should have resource payments instead.

If someone chooses to volunteer there time to lead a kingdom, that is there choice to make a kingdom they like 👍. Which in itself is there compensation. And if they think the violations are incorrect or damaging to the kingdom, then they have the biggest voice for reform. Which again is a plus to be a leader. So that being said there should not be a exception to the rule, especially for leadership. Leadership should lead by example, if not they are leading there people in the wrong direction. Just saying. You got to be the change you want to see.

I wish a king of our KD could accept the consequences, that would be nice.

I wasn’t in T2A during MGE so I wasn’t in to see comments when it happened. I have not seen his video about why or how it happened. But I legit never recall pitch forks going for his head. It’s normal within the confines of our alliance, T2A, to jostle, especially guys like Drago and other leaders because they take it well and we all have fun doing it. But to those reading these comments, and I hope those who watch after I comment, realize that 1916 does not go after players “like” Drago. We are not on witch hunts to jail and punish people who make small slips. During our first Fixed MGE I had some random t4 finish day 1 then miscalculated my training and went over cap by like 40k. It did not affect rankings it did not hurt anyone it was an honest mistake. I was never suggested by leadership to take the punishment and they forgave me. These rules we have agreed upon and put in place are there for those who are 1. Repeat offenders that think they can do what they would like without consequence. 2. To have it established that we take serious people who don’t take us serious. And why it is that we have established the rules. 3. To ensure that the fixed MgE that we have implemented if followed which saves our kingdom tons of rss and speedups during pointless kill events that could otherwise be used for KvK. Dragothien is king and could have easily blown it off but I see it as a member it the KD and say good on him. Let me assure you that the amount of chests purchased in our top alliances we are really “missing” 1 persons purchases. He isn’t really hurting from lack of helps. He has some real life stuff that should trump his game play anyways, if anything… this is the best time for him to be in “jail” to show his kingdom he respects rules implemented by the kingdom which, yes, includes himself. Honestly it is such a non issue that I didn’t know about it until 30 minutes ago when in Coalition chat it was mentioned because of THIS video. Chis, man, I know you don’t know me, I’ve followed you for a long time I’ve watched your content and really enjoyed it. But this feels icky. I appreciate you have an opinion and a platform. But no one here is worried or concerned for what a few days while Drago tends to family. The brilliance in Dragos kingdom is that he built and planned it so well that he can go sit in an alliance by himself and be with family while it’s still run smoothly. Can’t wait to see you all doing more OL vids!! Take care.

Hello chisgule, your video have helped me massively, I started playing 3 weeks ago and just 1mil power and I've been made an officer. Any chance you could do a quick video one day explaining everything I can do as an officer as I have no clue even how to start building a flag. That would be amazing if you could. I play this game all day and night and just listen and watch your streams. And it's good how you never go off screen ( apart from the giant ant incident) lol. By far the best ROK KZfaqr IMO. Great energy, charismatic and very funny, your video are great. Keep em coming. FOR THE KING 🤴

Yanfei... where are you when we need her...

Sounds like Chis is setting the table for himself to go out there and break some kingdom rules but get a relaxed sentence for it. 😀😇

Just a suggestion, this video is the one I was expecting when I saw the rise of drama video. Hope to see much more like this :)

Leadership in Rok runs better than my own country government, ngl.

Lol this is just melodramatic and honestly just dumb. Rules are made for people who break the rules yeah, but this is the equivalent of opening a peanut with a sledgehammer. Like you said, rule enforcement is there for people like Talib and Maximum Chunder, people who truly do not give a fuk. Realistically a minor infraction like this could have been dealt with in so many different ways that would still a) punish him and b) still have his account benefit his kd. Make him wear a dunce cap for a livestream or something idk. But hey if Drago wants to be a martyr, all power to him. Not my kingdom, not my leadership.

This is hilarious! 🤣 Chisgule: Drama again! 🤦

maybe Drago could have volunteered his troops for the other player to kill them and take back the spot in MGE, it would be kind of a rss fine cause of the hospital bill and the other player would actually benefit from it

I agree I got kicked from kingdom alliance without winning mge even though I have fought hard as active player in this kingdom 2236. I got mixed numbers between mge showing 17million points and the 4.5 million that showed in eve of the crusade training event.

I would say that in light of his work for the kingdom they should put him in a minimum security prison (farm alliance for tech and helps) and allow regular conjugal visits (daily rejoining a top alliance for purchasing and gold chests when bundles refresh). It’s not perfect but negates the vast majority of the issues while providing an example that leaders can be held accountable too. I’ve done leadership and recruitment as well if that adds any weight to my words.

an eye for an eye and all the world goes blind is a false statement, because u making an assumption that half of the world did the same crime... I agree with the first part where u need to consider a proper law that suits everybody and treat them equally... don't make super insane punishment and then realize that it doesn't suit everybody... or else, every other players, specially the whales, will keep making the same excuse each time and get free ticket out of jail. which is unfair.

Roleplaying at its best

Yeahhh so if you spend a bunch of money is unfair if you're another type of guy and pass over the score leave the kingdom it makes a lot of sense

well maybe they want to avoid future excuses when someone can refered to his avoiding jail time cause of some reason. thats why they do it even its their loss. for the future investment i suppose and great for dragothien respect to him to obey that rule

You make some pretty bad points Chis. Drago has done a lot but we have an officer core that actually has done a lot more than he has done for kingdom. Just facts. There is no loss for us in T2A lol. Drago isn’t even the primary gold chest contributor. And to pretend like that’s what matters is irrelevant. Also Drago himself imposed this rule and we have literally punished players for going up over by 1 point 😂😂. Rules are rules. And the king isn’t above his very own rules. This was A very non issue. I woke up and he was in jail. No one gets special treatments for anything. It doesn’t matter about contribution. If you impose the rules than you must love by them. Nice try getting clickbait views but this literally is irrelevant. No one batted an eye and plus the man is spending time with his newborn so again you reap what you sow. No such thing as flexibility when being punished 😂😂. Nice try though.

What happened to the 916's last, KvK?

Rules are rules… he broke the rules.. must pay the price otherwise the rules would be meaningless in his kingdom. Noone would take the rules of the kingdom seriously if “the king” is above the rules…

Nobody is above the law. I’m in 916 and we have a 400m rss fine and 7 days jail time. Everyone has to and this limits people going over and imagine how many people in this kingdom that don’t exactly like drago, we would have a few people get mad. And it’s a learning curve for everyone

Glad you mentioned Thunder Pants. That guy is certifiable, he do the same in our s2 long before he ended up in yours. Dude is so crazy he doesn't even change his name, and kingdoms still take him in. 😂 Side note: I played goalie when I was young. If I had to even touch the ball and make a save, I berated my defenders for letting the strikers get within shooting distance. 🤣

Leadership is super important, but so is everyone else in the kingdom, I mean look what happened to them against 846 all the leadership work didn't matter because many players in the kingdom didn't show up, so I think showing favoritism for someone in leadership isn't the way to go, because everyone else showing up to fight/participate in the kingdom is just as important as the work leadership does. I think Drago is doing the right thing and serves as example to everyone else.

So in 75 all rules are for everyone except chis cos you does lot of work for the kingdom ? First of all theres no need for this video itself, its something happening in their kingdom and their leadership knows how to handle it. And i bet its not first time a king takes the punishment for breaking rule. So let them do their job lol

Dragothien is an experienced player and he should know not to do make testing content during mge. There are enough other days to do that. I agree the timing is very bad, though, and it would have probably been better to postpone it until after kvk. But I wouldn't play in a kingdom with flexible punishments depending on who the offender is. And even though I don't have the money Dragothien spends, I spent a lot on this game too. And spent thousands of hours in leadership and /our giving titles, so yes, I know what that means. But if leadership means being above the rules it's not leadership it's dictatorship.

Rules are rules in our kd. 100m rss to kd bank + jail

I believe rules are rules. But Drago really needs to reconsider the kd rules. The punishment needs to be something that at least benefits the kd. Like rss contribution or something. Mistakes happen. Mad props to him for serving it. I've got the utmost respect for players who don't complain and own their mistakes. The downside of making exceptions on punishments is you're opening Pandora's box to all kinds of biases that can make things super awkward

I think he should be put in a weak alliance and serve is time there.

2009 had jail before kvk3 for MGE rule breakers. It was funny.

Chis but he did it by choice,Chose to Be a king and a leader,if you give 1 person the benefit of the doubt whether he is a king/R4 or a whale. You destroy the whole purpose of Making Rules,I'm glad Drago followed his own rules despite it being in start of kvk. But if you want players to follow you and trust you,you have to show them you are the same and not above them ! :)

Yo Chisgule! Thx for the infos in ur kd

Rules are rules, if you take rules seriously during mge, you ensure that you keep within the points limit, everyone can do it, and being in a high position makes it all the more important to set and follow high standards, maybe imprisonment isn't ideal but you do the crime you do the time, maybe set rss fine instead, 1bil each rss to kingdom Bank to bail himself out

This is a far cheaper penalty than we enforce.

But how do you leave an alliance that your the only member?

Could you imagine doing this to BABA? 🤣 It would end up being an alliance crisis

LOL. It's now rise of dramaa

I didn't know dragothien had a rok lawyer